Arianna Grande couldn't find a whole dress to wear?

[lindysalsagal]

She's whining. Tha minister's really got ahold of her, ahem....

[malaise]

1. Just posted that her dress is totally inappropriate

RESPECT lil girl.

[DrDan]

160. agree 100% - it's fine for her Saturday nights out, but for a church funeral, not appropriate

For those saying we should be more like the Europeans, less prudish, let me add that we have visited many churches in Europe over the past decades, and many have a dress requirement - one would not be allowed in, even to visit, in that dress. We found this in Florence a matter of weeks ago when a young girl in front of us had to purchase a scarf from a sidewalk vendor to tie around her waist before she was allowed to enter.

[malaise]

161. Precisely

If the celebration was in an arena or stadium I'd give her a pass.
I was the queen of the original mini-skirts, but would not have contemplated wearing one to my grandma's funeral.

[lapfog_1]

2. rev Al and rev jesse look very uncomfortable right behind her

[cornball 24]

3. Clinton looked real happy!

[a kennedy]

64. This is really uncalled for.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

151. Strange statement on a Democratic Board.

I know ZERO Dems who'd say that. Even joking(?).

[CentralMass]

152. Well, Bill did look happy.

[democratisphere]

4. AG is young and can get away with the garb.

It is ALL about the the song and tribute to AF. Nice job AG!

[obamanut2012]

5. Quit slut-shaming her -- Aretha would love it

AG is a good egg.

[Tipperary]

7. Of course she would. Dayum, amazing that we have such prudes on du. She sang that song great!

I apparently paid no attention to her clothes because I was listening to the song. But I guess there are always those ready to slut-shame even here on du. Smh.

[obamanut2012]

104. I am apparently "policing language"

And censoring people's fashion taste. lol wth

[Voltaire2]

18. No shit.

See Michele Obama’s naked arms.

Wtf

[Loki Liesmith]

75. How about you quit policing speech?

People can have thoughts on fashion and can voice them.

[obamanut2012]

103. I'm not policing speech, I am advocating we stop slutshaming women

This isn't about fashion, as you well know.

*POOF*

[malaise]

146. It is not about fashion - it is about taste

And it was very bad taste and if you want to call it slut shaming, so be it.
There is something called good taste and appropriate dress.

[TeamPooka]

154. Is that comment really just about "fashion?" It seems there are other implications there

aka the slut shaming aspect.

[GeorgeGist]

6. Seems more appropriate for ...

[ADX]

8. That dress is not only inappropriate...

...it's downright disrespectful. She's in a church, not a nightclub.

Then again, what do you expect from an attention-seeker who's all about herself?

[Sneederbunk]

11. +100

[NCTraveler]

27. She rescues animals..

Has worked to support LGBT youth, urges her fans to recognize animal abuse and not support corporations that take part in the abuse of animals, worked on anti-cyber bullying campaigns, teaches music and dance to those who cannot afford it(often in other countries), gives the profits from one of her companies to help those with HIV/AIDS, has played at concerts to help the homeless, she organized the One Love Manchester concert and donated the funds from the release of "One Last Time" (23 million), performed at A Concert For Charlottesville and participated in March For Our Lives.

What you up to?

[yallerdawg]

40. Why she was invited.

[ADX]

52. Not that it's any of your fucking business but since you ask...

...I have spent the last 35 years of my life away from my family and loved ones, living and working in austere, miserable environments and dangerous conditions, doing my part to keep this flawed but still wonderful country safe from it's enemies and from people who would be happy to carve out YOUR eyes just because you're an American. I've held the hands of friends and comrades as they lay dying from gunshots and IEDs, and I've picked up and bagged body parts in order to make sure that devastated families back home had something, ANYTHING to weep over and bury. I've rescued hostages, comforted surviving victims of ethnic cleansing, fed babies who had no one left to do so, and helped make sure life-sustaining supplies were safely delivered through hostile territory to desperate human beings who were in dire need of them in order to stay alive.

I could go on but I'll just leave it there because I've done it and will continue to do it without wanting or needing any recognition whatsoever from anyone other than those who were and are there with me.

And you?

[NCTraveler]

53. I didn't trash talk anyone.

Can you point me to something for verification? I can back up what I've said.

My post was in response to this.

"Then again, what do you expect from an attention-seeker who's all about herself?"

You didn't mention where you volunteered for causes or donated tens of millions.

Thank you for your service. I've done my best to pay taxes and vote for people who will give the military what it needs. I'm proud to provide that service to country. I have a lot of good friends with long military careers(all are consultants today). Solid occupation for many.

[ADX]

73. LMMFAO! Verification of what? I don't need to "prove" anything to some faceless internet persona...

...and besides, I really don't give a fuck if you believe me or not. That aside though, what causes have you volunteered for and how many tens of millions of dollars have you donated? At the end of my last post I asked you what your contributions to society have been but so far you have yet to talk about ANYTHING you've done except take offense because I expressed a less-than-glorious opinion of your idol.

[NCTraveler]

78. "I really don't give a fuck if you believe me or not."

Very aggressive.



My idol? Wow.

From LMAO to aggression to describing others idols. Where to next?

[ADX]

82. Well, since I see you have no intention of sharing your contributions to mankind...

...my next stop is to ignore you.

One more thing: one of these days, you're going to appreciate the fact that there are those of us on the left who possess the capability to project extreme aggression against the right-wing zealots who desire to silence and subjugate you.

Have a great day...

[NCTraveler]

83. I was having dinner with...

an ex member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff two weeks ago. Neither Grande or extreme aggression toward random internet users came up. I'm not sure I see the benefits as you do.

[obamanut2012]

108. IKR

WTF

[bettyellen]

84. So cool you don't need to brag on that for validation or anything.... or use it as a cudgel!

[ADX]

86. LOL...The only thing I brag about is my children...

...I answered a question that was asked of me, nothing more; if you consider that "bragging" then that says more about you than it does about me.

[bettyellen]

89. Oh please do go on about what else you do, we both know you want to.

LOL. If you have THAT much anger and resentment toward total strangers in the internet because maybe they haven’t been as accomplished as you, it’s time to snap out of it.
you’re the one needing to keep score. You’re the one needing to belittle others. You should really talk to someone about this built up resentment. It’s not healthy at all.

[ADX]

92. *Sigh*...

...Nope, I'm good but thanks for your concern.

Like I said, your skewed perspective of my answer to a question that was asked of me says more about you than it does about me but go ahead and enjoy that bubble that you live in...

[obamanut2012]

111. That's so Raven!

[obamanut2012]

109. What is your opinion of Demi Lovato?

[obamanut2012]

107. So, what are your thoughts about Selena Gomez

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

131. methinks thou dost protest too much........

[ADX]

133. "Youthinks" whatever you want to...

...Someone asked me what I'm up to and I told them; what's your problem?

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

142. my 'problem'

as you put it is the narrative you wrote sounds like something from a Hollywood screen play. People who want to gouge out my eyes soley because I'm American, have been created to some degree, by the actions taken by my government in my name, employing people like you to carry out the dirty work. What the hell does all that have to do with a goddamn dress anyhow?

[ADX]

145. The narrative I wrote in response to being asked about what I'm up to...

...only sounds like something from a Hollywood screenplay to those who have never put their very lives on the line for a cause greater than themselves. It's all good to sit at your keyboard and bitch about everything that isn't exactly to your liking but what have you actually gone out and really sacrificed in order to bring about any real change? I'm not talking about signing a petition, knitting pussy hats, or carrying a sign in a protest march, I'm talking about seriously putting your ass on the line. Ever been arrested and jailed for taking a stand against "the actions taken by your government that employs people like me to carry out the dirty work?" Have you gone hungry because you donated most of your money to feed the homeless and destitute? Have you gone down to the border and walked into the desert, dodging the Border Patrol in order to help bring terrified, bedraggled refugees across the frontier? Have you adopted a Black or Brown baby?

Of course you haven't and you're not about to either. Everybody wants to be a revolutionary until it's time to do revolutionary shit.

You're content to sit back and enjoy your creature comforts while you shake your fist at the sky, cursing everything and everybody that doesn't fall in lock-step with your myopic, hyper-partisan view of what you think the world in general and this country in particular should be. That might work for you but it sure as fuck doesn't work for me and I'm grateful to have experienced the things that I have and learned the things that I did so I know how to employ those tactics and protocols effectively going forward. Look around and read the tea leaves, sport; there are people out there who would label you a traitor and take what they consider appropriate action against you merely for posting what you did above. When that happens, it'll be "people like me" who'll be there to defend you and come to your rescue, no matter how snarky you want to be right now. Remember that.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

148. Spare me

USMC 1968-72

[ADX]

149. No, spare me...

...Merely typing those four letters, six numbers and one punctuation mark alone don't mean anything to me and they don't in any way, shape, form, or fashion change a single word of what I wrote. Not one.

Have a good day.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

150. What I mean is

your lecture about how I (and many others ) couldn't possible know what dangers lurk in the world assumes a lot. You know what happens when you assume...........

[egduj]

137. You mad?

[LisaM]

32. I like her, and don't really care what she wears, BUT....

you should stream one of the TV stations in Chicago and read the comments by the older crowd, pretty funny.

[secondwind]

35. Hear, hear. I agree.

[LanternWaste]

55. More or less appropriate than a corpse displayed with its ankles crossed?

But I get it... it's fun to be self-righteous as long as its at the expense of others.

[obamanut2012]

105. no it isn't

[obamanut2012]

106. "what do you expect from an attention-seeker who's all about herself"

Showing you literally know zero about Grande.

Bye Bye Felicia

[ADX]

115. I know enough about Grande to justify my position...

...What is it with you over-zealous, manic stans? I'm as entitled to my opinion of Arianna Grande as you are to yours. If you choose to see her as the second coming, be my guest but if I opt to view her as a self-centered, vain diva, that's up to me. Just because she's been craftily marketed and cleverly coached to appear a certain way publicly doesn't mean that's who she is privately when no one's looking.

For fucks sake, give the idol worship a break...

[HipChick]

9. Her dress was fine...now her singing?

whole another story...

[nolabear]

10. Y'all knock it off. She's young and she's singing for Aretha.

You might not like her dress but she was there and she gave respect the way kids do. This is not a time for snark.

[lindysalsagal]

16. She's 25. Great musicians don't need to expose their entire leg to perform well.

I'd have sooner liked to see her in something big and bright, to emmulate Aretha's style.

[bettyellen]

85. But there's nothing inherently wrong with her showing her legs. Last funeral I went to people

We’re wearing whatever they owned that wa a lack- including a cat suit and lots and lots of leggings. People are not as formal as they used to be. No big deal.

[SMC22307]

129. Beyonce does it all the time -- "expose" legs --

you bent out of shape over her, too?

[OilemFirchen]

138. ...

[Claritie Pixie]

12. What about her performance?

I thought she did a good job.

[phleshdef]

13. This prudish bullshit is why foreigners laugh at us.

[GulfCoast66]

45. Totally incorrect statement

I am not commenting on the AG situation because I do not know what she was told about attire.

But as to your post, I have been to many churches all over Europe that would not allow someone in wearing that dress. Not saying none would, but it would not surprise me if a majority of Christian churches and cathedrals would allow it.

Now our society as a whole being prudish I don’t disagree totally when only compared to Western Europe. But compared World wide we are libertines.

[malaise]

61. Really

I'm foreign, not prudish and I am also an atheist. I found her dress totally inappropriate.
If this were at an arena or stadium, I'd be fine with it.

[obamanut2012]

112. there is nothing wrong with her dress

[Calculating]

14. This thread is usless without pics

There, I said it.

[MoonRiver]

15. I was going to post the same thing. What did she wear?

Not watching much tv today.

[nolabear]

20. She just wore a very short, black, long sleeved dress.

I didn’t give it a second thought. Pull your pants up, pull your dress down, don’t wear your hair like that, don’t show too much vleavage, don’t wear all that makeup, your hat looks silly, you’re wearing the wrong color, you can’t do it right.

Jesus...

[lindysalsagal]

17. It's up on Rolling Stone

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/aretha-franklin-funeral-see-ariana-grande-honor-queen-of-soul-with-a-natural-woman-717961/

[Voltaire2]

19. What the ever loving fuck is wrong with that?

Is it arms? Legs? Was she sposed to wear a high collared Victorian burqa?

[nolabear]

22. Right? She was fine. She honored her hero. Beautifully.

[pnwmom]

125. It's extremely short. No, it isn't appropriate for a funeral. n/t

[moriah]

136. Not appropriate for my grandmother's funeral, no.

Because my grandmother would have had words with me for wearing such a dress even to a club.

I don't think Aretha spent her career policing the outfits of other women, or was as much of a prude as my grandmother. So I'm not stressed, because I don't think the deceased would be.

[jberryhill]

21. Lol @ Clinton

He doesn't seem to mind.

[a kennedy]

67. Not appropriate

[Calculating]

23. Looks fine to me

Anybody offended by that outfit has to be a real prude.

[MoonRiver]

24. Not only is it inappropriate, but she doesn't look good in it.

[GoneOffShore]

30. As the expression goes - You do you.

She looks great.

[blackdove78]

31. LO

fucking L

[treestar]

37. It's a bit short

though I have no problem with it. But I can see where the churchly person might think it was too short for church.

[joshcryer]

54. HAHA, you can tell Jesse Jackson wasn't happy about it.

He taps Clinton on the arm and tells him something, and then Clinton is sitting there telling him something, cracking up, patting his arm.

It's fine I think.

[Blue_true]

88. She is young, proud of her body.

I see no issue, just youth. She has a good voice.

[NBachers]

135. Ok, I just watched it- I have no problem with Ariana Grande's outfit or her performance.

She sang the song true-to-form, without a lot of extra drawn-out syllables or long trilling "enhancements." It was heartfelt and genuine, in my opinion, and I loved the backup singers as part of it. A fine performance, a fine tribute; the outfit works fine for her, and she looks fine in it. What's the problem?

[pnwmom]

124. Here's a picture.

https://www.chron.com/life/celebrities/article/Ariana-Grande-faces-criticism-for-dress-at-Aretha-13196728.php

[Dave Starsky]

159. Oh, for crying out loud.

?

[genxlib]

25. I would never wear that dress in a church

Then again, I am a old, fat white guy.

Geez people, lighten up.

[A HERETIC I AM]

36. I have one just like it. I wear it when I mow the lawn.

With a big, floppy hat and fluffy bunny slippers.

The neighbors never talk to me for some reason.

[smirkymonkey]

95. *snort*

[lunasun]

118. It's OK if you do you know !

[redwitch]

26. I thought she was lovely.

And I think she did a fine tribute.

[Blue_true]

90. Yes, she has a beautiful voice. nt

[madaboutharry]

28. She looked fine.

I don’t get the criticism. She’s young and dressed like a young person.

[GoneOffShore]

33. Sounded great. Looked great. Bugger off.

[shanti]

34. Hey, it's a dress

albeit, short. Better than what she usually wears, a long sweatshirt and no pants.

[BigRig]

38. Guess she figured Aretha would want her to just be herself...

Instead of worrying about what everyone else thinks...

[meadowlander]

77. While singing a song about being able to feel like herself...

inspired by a song made famous by the woman she is trying to honor.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

39. Never forget this woman had the guts to return to Manchester after her first show there

was shot up. To perform in a fucking stadium to raise money for victims.

She pretty much gets a permanent pass from me.

I don't care what she wears.

[eShirl]

97. +1

[tosh]

110. Thank you!

That’s what I thought too. Plus, I’m fairly certain that Aretha would approve.

[demmiblue]

119. She was brave/compassionate AF for doing that.

Plus, she also visited the victims in the hospital.

[WillowTree]

41. On the one hand inappropriate IMO, on the other a matter of minimal importance at best.

[True Dough]

42. She's an indisputable talent

Just try to imagine this without James Corden's vocals mixing in...

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

43. Turned it off

Smh

[stonecutter357]

44. nice pearl clutching !

[Demovictory9]

46. picture

[MineralMan]

48. I don't know. I can't see the problem, really..

She's a young entertainer, honoring Aretha Franklin. I figure she can dress as she chooses.

[obamanut2012]

98. The only problem is sexism and picking on a millenial

I don't mean you, MM. Some of the comments in this thread are ridiculous.

Aretha would have loved this.

Grande is a good egg.

[ChazII]

141. I am a baby boomer and I don't

see a problem with what she is wearing. Thank you for posting this picture.

[Dorian Gray]

76. THIS

is what people have been bitching about all day?

Geesh.

It's short. Big whoop.

[Vinca]

87. That's what people are verklempt about???? She looks fine.

The ceremony is a celebration not a time for sackcloth and ashes.

[yardwork]

147. Thanks for posting a picture. I don't see a problem.

The dress seems fine to me.

[Ilsa]

47. Not that big of a deal, but I think it is a wee bit short

for a funeral at a church.

[Demovictory9]

50. a little short by traditional standards.

[grantcart]

81. Agree

[lillypaddle]

49. I thought she looked great

What a bunch of old fogies.

[PoorMonger]

51. Come On Y'all

It ain’t about you or your notion of RESPECT ; Aretha almost certainly wouldn’t mind it. She knows who she invited to this occasion. The tribute was the song and she did that well. Empowerment comes in many forms and that’s why trying to get it to conform to old fashioned ideas is a waste of time.

[nolabear]

56. While y'all are judging her thecright is using her to judge Bill.

Accusing him of “looking her up and down” in that dress. I saw the footage. You can too. It’s ridiculous. He does look at her. She’s right in front of him. He didn’t leer, drool, sneer, snicker. He’d have had to have closed his eyes not to look at her. But they’re attaching meaning they have no clue about because they want to shame him and make others hate him. For nothing. For being who he is. For not being able to be seen for what he’s doing but what they can say he’s doing.

So what side are you on?

[lpbk2713]

60. Projecting as usual.

That is one thing you can depend on them for.

[JHan]

123. deplorables gonna deplorable. Their manufactured outrage is always so dumb.

[OilemFirchen]

143. Some on the "left" too.

You don't even have to look far. ⇑

[Croney]

57. This old woman thinks she looked and sounded just fine. My granddaughters, 13 and 11,

have a promise from me to buy tickets if she comes to Boston. She starred in a TV series for kids (I forget the name) and is a good role model for girls IMO. They would not have chosen her if they thought Aretha would have disapproved.

[IcyPeas]

58. are you all kidding me?

this should be in the lounge.

Seriously, this is what's being discussed?

[LexVegas]

59. What was it like in Victorian era England? nt

[obamanut2012]

99. Isn't this ridiculous???

[Takket]

62. I personally would not wear that to a funeral but

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At the same time I don’t find it to be so over the top that it is offensive.

[obamanut2012]

100. This isn't exactly a funeral

It is a celebration of The Queen and her life.

[a kennedy]

65. This is rude.

[Armymedic88]

68. JS

[Tipperary]

69. Wow, really?

“Slick Willy?” Enjoy your stay.

[MineralMan]

74. Well, that's pretty rude.

Name calling and everything. Why would you do that?

[Tipperary]

120. He is gone.

Good riddance.

[SkyDancer]

66. WTF?

Seriously? It's 2018, not 1955.

Chaka Khan is laughing her ass off somewhere at this thread.

[MineralMan]

70. Hmm...I saw a photo of her in a short black dress.

I didn't see anything wrong with it. A lot of young women wear short black dresses to funerals. And Arianna was there to perform, as well. I think people should wear what they thing is appropriate to such ceremonies, and I leave it at that.

I don't see the problem with her dress at all. Is that the main thing you took from watching the funeral?

[pnwmom]

127. Lots of women wear "short" dresses to funerals -- but not that short. n/t

[MineralMan]

130. I have no idea, and don't care.

Her choice. This is not what I took from the funeral. Not at all. It seems petty to me.

[Tipperary]

71. Um, did you listen to the song?

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Or were you too busy clutching your pearls? Have you seen how the young folk dress nowadays? Maybe get out of the house more. Pretty sure Aretha would laugh her ass off at your judgemental comment.

Ugh.

[Quemado]

79. Call me a prude

Totally inappropriate for a funeral for a lady like Aretha Franklin.

[obamanut2012]

101. No it isn't

[KayF]

80. and she needs to get off my lawn!

[Blue_true]

93. And give back my Model T. nt

[lark]

91. Were you around in the 60's and part of the 70's?

Young women, including me, wore dresses about that length all the time. It just looks a little weird to me now, but I had to check my attitude by remembering the scanty clothes we worse back then, way less than is worn today.

[MineralMan]

102. Oddly enough, I'm still wearing denim jeans and flannel shirts,

just as I did in those days. Men's fashion doesn't change so much, really.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

94. I'm more outraged by the way Bishop Ellis groped her in front of God and everybody.

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[GoCubsGo]

96. The dress was fine. Those shoes, OTOH...

She could barely walk in them. I was afraid she was going to break her ankles. Get something with a lower heel, young lady. Those things are bad for your feet, bad for your back.

[Kali]

144. BWAHAHAHA!!!

that's kind of where my brain went. the shoes. don't know how women can get around in those things.

[Meowmee]

113. Maybe a little short

I wouldn't wear it anywhere , but I don't think its a big deal really. She has a great voice and did a good job, although no one will sound like Aretha singing that song of course.

[Stinky The Clown]

114. Her dress was fine. Her cover of Natural Woman was amazing. She's very talented.

Here is the >gasp< dress:

[Adrahil]

116. Meh.... not seeing the problem with the dress. NT

[onenote]

117. Aretha wasn't shy about wearing short skirts when she was younger

Yes, I know that this is a church. But its a "Celebration of Life" service and I think Grande's dress fit in with celebrating the young vibrant Aretha. And from inside her casket, I doubt very much Aretha minded.

[pnwmom]

126. To people who go to Church, the dress is inappropriate. It would be perfectly fine

in a nightclub or other performance venue -- but not in any kind of Church service, and especially not at a funeral.

[tenderfoot]

121. LOL

What are complaining about?

[SoCalDem]

122. a black one-sie

young folks don't follow protocol or norms much these days

a guest at our oldest son's wedding wore flowered board shorts & flipflops

[shenmue]

128. Oh, come on

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

132. It seems Rev. Jackson is wearing a frown.

I've never heard of or seen written in the form of a dress code for those seeking fellowship . In fact as the saying goes most churchs seem to advocate the come as you are point of view.

[H2O Man]

134. I think she looks nice.

I don't see the problem.

[Mike Nelson]

139. It did...

… seem to "bunch up" higher at times. I wondered if it was meant to do that... she likely knew what she was doing. She's getting talked about.

[CentralMass]

153. A video of the performence.

[Glimmer of Hope]

155. She looks lovely.

this thread.

[steve2470]

156. It was ok to me and I'm a boomer nt

[Oneironaut]

157. It's maybe a little inappropriate, but I can't stand the self-righteous blow-hard narcissism of the

internet, which has been pitching an absurdly overboard fit about it all day. What do you want, her to beg you for forgiveness? It's a friggin dress!

[OhioBlue]

158. She is a cute, young, pop star paying tribute to an artist

she did great and I think her dress is fine. Also, while watching the entire video, there was no "oogling" by Clinton or others. Still photos can make something look differently than it was. BC was mostly talking to those near him.

There is nothing other than a tribute to Aretha. I do not understand why people are trying to make it anything other than that.

[dansolo]

162. The problem I have is that the story is now all about her

I don't have a problem with the outfit itself, but I believe that she or her handlers chose it specifically because they knew it would spark controversy, and bring more attention to her. This performance should have been more about Aretha, and a more respectful outfit wouldn't have distracted from that.