trolls attacking "Active Measures" movie (Russian Election interference doc)

[greenman3610]

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[radical noodle]

1. We should do the same to Death of a Nation

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. Great idea, done.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Done, you are 7.3 now which is pretty good but we can do BETTER

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. I question the judgement / smarts of anyone who puts stock into an internet poll. . . . nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. NOT internet poll, IMDB is a rating system by viewers. The higher the rating the better the movie

or TV series wlll do.

IMDB is the most respected entertainment industry rating system but is unfortunately subject to FILTH who can join IMDB and give a good movie a bad rating.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. That makes it an internet poll. Same mechanisms for corrupting it. Same uselessness. . . . nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. NO, you have to be a member of IMDB to vote, most internet polls you dont have to give up ANY info

Also Hollywood and a MULTI billion dollar industry is in big trouble if you are right.

And this will be news to them, by the way.

Hollywood decides what to do BASED on IMDB and other social media behavour almost entirely these days.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. Multiple memberships are easy and Std Op Proc for troll farms. Hollywood is in trouble.

It's symptomatic of why we have so many "superhero" live action cartoons instead of as great a proportion of real movies as we used to have.

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. You said you question the judgment and smarts of anyone who puts stock in this poll

I told you Hollywood does exactly that, and they spend and make BILLIONS every year.

do you doubt they do?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. They make and lose billions each year.

Video game industry has been bigger for years. Apps have now surpassed them too.

Hollywood is not a growth industry, during a time when people traditionally turned to movies (The Great Recession)

[Eliot Rosewater]

17. LOL

nice try...the FACT is as I have stated it.

That other forms of entertainment are available has ZIP to do with Hollywood using IMDB as a gauge as to what to make.

Again, just say you were wrong, it is so much easier.

And I like you, BTW, I am not picking on you

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. Well, I posted facts and you posted assertions with no back up. We can leave it at that. . nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

23. You posted FACTS that Hollywood is stupid to put stock in IMDB reviews? WHERE?

[Eliot Rosewater]

19. Do you belong to Consumer Reports? do you read their reviews?

Per the other poster, how about random online reviews of items in general?

CR does do their own research but they also have huge fields of ratings dedicated to members who review items and yes you have to pay to be a member online but if you want to go down this road, that makes it an internet poll also.

Or COSTCO.com where I read reviews all the time

or Best Buy, Amazon...I could go on and on

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. So are you saying there isnt a demand for those movies it is a false demand created by polls?

If so why so many ticket sales?

This is where if I were you I would admit I was taking the wrong approach on this.

[ret5hd]

11. So you pay no heed to a 2 star rating on a...

blow drier or dvd player or computer or whatever?

Some internet rating systems are generally considered more generally reliable and trusted than others.

[Eliot Rosewater]

13. Great point.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Some are more or less. Verified purchasers more so & harder to game than anon signup sites.

But even then, read the comments. For example on computer parts, many comments just reveal how stupid the person is. For example a 3 TB disk where users give it a zero star rating when they only see half that because their OS is too old & they don't know enough to look for workarounds which are commonly available and despite prominent warnings in the product listing on the site.

[ret5hd]

21. Yeah, but your example is one of the reasons I learned to read.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. Yup. Like I said, read. . . . nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

22. My friend, as to IMDB you are the one who said you question the smarts of anyone who

considers it and I have told you the entirety of Hollywood does.

So either they are all stupid so to speak or YOU might be wrong. Again, you are my friend so trust me when I tell you it is easier to admit being wrong sometimes.

Or not, we will remain friends either way.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. I showed data Hollywood is not growing, effectively losing. You have yet to post any

... any supporting link or documentation for your assertion that they take IMDB ratings at face value.

Since you evidently can't despite invitations and lots of opportunity, here's one for you following your argument you would like to convince us of:

https://www.imdb.com/search/title?groups=top_250&sort=user_rating

If Hollywood paid attention seriously to IMDB ratings, we'd see a lot more movies like those. Instead they insist on releasing these:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1701079/new-movie-releases-2018-movie-release-date-schedule

[Eliot Rosewater]

28. If your position is Hollywood pays little to no attention to IMDB ratings or for that matter

Rotten Tomatoes ratings, etc., and other forms of social media ratings, then I dont know what to say to you.

It is like saying the blue sky isnt blue.

In fact the argument you SHOULD be making is they pay too much attention to that, which I assume is your argument about super hero movies.

I would agree probably, but again, you said ANYONE who pays attention to them has to be questioned as to their smarts, and Hollywood almost ENTIRELY does.

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. Which argument are you making, that super hero movies DONT get high ratings and

smart movies do?

Are you saying "Black Panther" is a crap movie or just all super hero movies?

You do understand most of the movies you and I probably dont like indeed do have high IMBD and Rotten Tomatoes ratings, right?

Proving my point. obviously

do I need to list super hero movie after super hero movie or Star Trek or Star Wars ALL with high ratings in both? I dont have all day but it would take all day.

PS you hit on something smart here, it is the continued high ratings for crap movies that you see on IMDB and RT that perpetuate these movies that probably only kids like. The question then is are there enough of them with money to go to them or do they rely on adults to go also and are they liking these movies mostly because the ratings TELL them they should like them?

Good point.

BTW I end up going to almost all super hero and sci fi movies either because I am a fan like Star Wars and Star Trek or my grandsons are fans and I take them. Most of it is really just loud noise and CG, would much rather be watching "Sleeper" or "Annie Hall" or "The Godfather"

[underthematrix]

4. Done

[peggysue2]

10. Done, too.

The trolls want to get active and antsy before the November election?

So can we.

Support this film. It deserves it.

[oberliner]

16. Are they done attacking the Man on The Moon movie?

[salin]

37. Why would they be attacking the Jim Carey/(about) Andy Kaufman movie?

I must be missing something.

[oberliner]

38. Something about the American flag?

I only tangentially heard about this new outrage on the right about the movie not having an American flag on the moon.

[salin]

39. just looked it up - different movie.

Forgive me for linking Fox - but the link highlights the grievance against the movie (different name - not the Andy Kaufman film)

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/09/03/buzz-aldrin-slams-first-man-movie-controversy-posts-photos-us-flag-on-moon-with-proud-to-be-american-hashtag.html

It strikes me as ironic - after a decade or more of pointing at the left and screaming "they love playing the victim role" - to watch this period (going back more than a decade) of "We Are The Victims of Everything"! theme.

[Oneironaut]

26. "Give us a good score" - no...

I didn’t see the movie. Isn’t the real issue that IMDB scoring is not secure from bots? Also, IMDB ratings should be taken with a grain of salt anyways.

Asking for score shilling on IMDB is a big no-no, especially if by the movie creator. I’m sorry they got downvoted by bots, but I’ve always found political ratings battles to be stupid.

[Roland99]

31. It's good

[Hortensis]

32. I prefer to avoid corrupting data also.

People do actually hope it's reliable, and it is possible to give honest ratings and reviews. Just watch it first.

[joet67]

27. Done. nt

[Roland99]

30. Damn Russian repukes

[smirkymonkey]

33. I saw the comments of the trolls who were down-voting the film.

It was pretty obvious that most of them never really watched it and their comments were purely partisan. They are so afraid of the truth.

[Chickensoup]

34. Heard it is good, I will see it.

[JustAnotherGen]

35. Done

It is excellent. I think the truth must be very painful for those who follow the leader.

[Mr. Ected]

36. Hopefully it would be obvious for anyone wanting to watch this movie

That its political contentiousness may account for middling results in popularity. We are, after all, a nation divided.

[Gothmog]

40. Who is surprised by this?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

41. Both IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes show a pretty good rating now. nt