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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump would not rule out the death penalty for the senior official who wrote the op-ed for the NYT
Link to tweet
malaise
(269,172 posts)He should be very careful on this one.
TrishaJ
(798 posts)advocating the death penalty for the "treason" for exercising 1st Amendment rights.
If it applies to "treason" for exercising 1st Amendment rights, then it DEFINITELY applies to the real TREASON of colluding with Putin to attack our country (hacking into systems by the Russian military WAS an attack on our country)!
OMGWTF
(3,976 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Be real careful Red Don...
RoBear
(1,188 posts)STRING HIM UP!!!
patricia92243
(12,601 posts)mucifer
(23,569 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)See my post linking to a WaPo oped:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142153122#post26
GP6971
(31,212 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)GP6971
(31,212 posts)eallen
(2,955 posts)There is plenty of English usage where "he" and "him" don't imply that the person is male. A common example is this one, where he is an anonymous author. Even if the NYT knows the author is female, they should refer to him this way.
efhmc
(14,732 posts)"The tweet was drafted by someone who is not aware of the author's identity, including the gender, so the use of 'he' was an error," from NYT.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Thankie for the info! Much appreciated.
Wednesdays
(17,412 posts)Although, the Times has no obligation to be truthful about the person's identity.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)their loyalists. Today's GOP would sell out the country to any dictator if they thought they could make a buck off it. Today's GOP motto: "The hell with the country and the people, give us cash."
Trump is the distraction. It's the players behind him who are engaging in a coup. Simple question - if their goals and policies are any good, why do they have to lie and hide their intent?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)for a distraction. It's unbelievable that the idiot republicans who stand nothing to gain back this guy and the GOP. A good 30% plus of the US is stupid as a rock, total losers.
at140
(6,110 posts)So the reason the others do not openly oppose tRump
is because they are AFRAID of losing a lucrative job in politics.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)a life's work/living and do anything to keep the cash rolling in for a lofty job.
at140
(6,110 posts)Life long politicians is the highway to breed corruption. Corporations won't shove truckloads of campaign cash if the politician was term limited.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I say bring it on!
BTW, fat boy, what "anonymous" did was in no way, shape or form considered to be "treason".
"According to Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court."
"Enemy" refers to a country or entity that has either declared war or is in open war against the United States. The wording is so air-tight that infamous double-agents Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen could not be convicted of treason after they were uncovered as spies for the Soviet Union, because at the time the United States was not officially at war with the Soviets, per Vox's reporting on Wednesday.
Moreover, the words "aid and comfort" mean something material -- scathing words on an op-ed would not apply.
Another kind of treason conviction would require the guilty party to take part in "levying war" against the United States, as UC Daviss Carlton Larson, an expert on treason law, told Vox in 2013. Despite what Trump might believe, criticism against him does not qualify as declaring war against the nation."
Volaris
(10,274 posts)In his own mind anyway He IS the State; he IS the People.
This is why it's so easy to libel the press as 'the enemy'.
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy in this case means 'anything that gets ratings so the enemy can make more money', (because, again, in his mind), MOAR MONIE is the only thing that has ever been or will ever be, a comfort to him.
He's crazy and the press should ignore him, but this is projection, pure and simple heh.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)One of these days that fact is going to hit him like a truck.
Volaris
(10,274 posts)erronis
(15,335 posts)Volaris
(10,274 posts)Golden Raisin
(4,613 posts)so the leaker has committed lèse-majesté, and is therefore punishable by death.
elmac
(4,642 posts)calimary
(81,500 posts)Mr. Treason himself.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Next up: gas chambers.
usaf-vet
(6,209 posts).... isn't he "signing" his own fate if Mueller's findings are treason?
He just doesn't know when to STFU does he.
If "free speech" from a written op-ed is treasonous. Bigly is playing with fire with his last utterance.
dalton99a
(81,590 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)the writer of the op/ed.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)The op-ed is carefully written to give a view of people working behind the scenes to uphold the Constitution and thwart a rouge person in the Oval Office. EVERYTHING in the op-ed points to people who are more loyal to the nation than to the President. That's certainly not treason. It's actually following any oath they may have taken to protect the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Trump is a domestic enemy of the Constitution. Finding that to be true is a case that could be won in any fair court of law. It should be judged in the House of Representatives by impeachment - but for the Republicans who are complicit in Trump's crimes this would happen.
Trump doesn't have any basis for calling it treason. Nor, can he call it defamation of character or libel because it is all so very apparently true.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)S/he is attempting to separate Trumpy from the greater GOP movement, so the GOP won't get swamped in November. But that attempt can only fail because there are no other signs within the GOP that concur with the anonymous op-ed writer. There really isn't a GOP right now. It's all Trumpy, all the time.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)There is not a GOP right now. It is a cult of Trump.
The OP-ED is all about people who are working to support the Constitution over a very flawed man.
It is very much about separating him from the party.
I feel it is a little too late to separate him and his ilk from the main GOP though. They sold their souls in order to get judges and deregulation. They have largely won on this account. That is the most damaging thing to our republic.
Le Grand Pronounceur
(78 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,295 posts)and never doubts himself.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)This orange anus has lost it. Time to rid ourselves of this orange plague.
Cary
(11,746 posts)0rganism
(23,970 posts)maybe he plans to run on that slogan
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)So when he is found guilty of Treason, we are all very clear on the penalty that should apply to him....
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Treason allegations can only stick in times when Congress declares war. Other than that, it's hyperbole. Trumpy has no concept of law. He deludes himself into thinking that he's a law onto himself. That's what this is all about. So lighten up. After all, it's Trumpy's great intellect to which we're alluding. And you can take that to the piggy bank.
dawnie51
(959 posts)the more I am thinking it's a set up by Dump and a couple of his minions. Who benefits here? Attention is turned away from Kavanaugh, Mueller, Russia, and all the rest of Dump's mess. It's op-ed 24/7 since Wednesday. Wouldn't be the first time Dump has choreographed a scene for reality T V consumption. It's the only thing he's even passably good at. And as the rhetoric becomes more and more outlandish (like death penalty threats) it's coming "things that make you go Hmmmmm".
dalton99a
(81,590 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)treasonous presidents. And when the cops arrest him, they can rough him up a bit (his words, not mine): "...I said, please don't be too nice."
JI7
(89,271 posts)not publicly criticizing the president.
moondust
(20,006 posts)Using government agencies to serve his own interests.
Cha
(297,692 posts)D23MIURG23
(2,850 posts)When they convict dump of treason, I hope prosecutors seek the death penalty.