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Trump would not rule out the death penalty for the senior official who wrote the op-ed for the NYT (Original Post) kpete Sep 2018 OP
Don the Con is way more guilty of treason malaise Sep 2018 #1
Yep. Better be careful what he wishes for in TrishaJ Sep 2018 #11
The Rosenbergs were executed for conspiring with Russia OMGWTF Sep 2018 #13
Yeah, how about that? workinclasszero Sep 2018 #46
You got it! RoBear Sep 2018 #18
This just proves what the op-ed said. He is truly deranged. patricia92243 Sep 2018 #2
Glad his popularity is tanking. mucifer Sep 2018 #3
What if the writer was his own son-in-law? ginnyinWI Sep 2018 #4
How does he know it's a "he"? nt GP6971 Sep 2018 #5
NYT Twitter feed said it was a "he" n/t Lucinda Sep 2018 #8
Thanks! Don't do Twitter. nt GP6971 Sep 2018 #9
In this context, that means nothing eallen Sep 2018 #10
But then recinded that statement. efhmc Sep 2018 #26
I doubt Trumpy would have seen anything past the first mention! Lucinda Sep 2018 #50
The NYT said the person was a "he" when they published it Wednesdays Sep 2018 #47
tRump is so far off his rocker ... the guy is deranged. Tells you a lot about the new GOP and RKP5637 Sep 2018 #6
THIS! jmbar2 Sep 2018 #16
Exactly, it extends far beyond tRump whom they use, as you say, RKP5637 Sep 2018 #23
9/10 who opposed Trump lost their primary at140 Sep 2018 #30
Another reason IMO there should be strict term limits. Far too many make it RKP5637 Sep 2018 #32
Agree completely +100 at140 Sep 2018 #52
The death penalty for treason? smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #7
All of that what you said is correct, but you gotta see it from donnies pov.. Volaris Sep 2018 #24
However his reality is not reality. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #37
Oh I'm aware lol. Volaris Sep 2018 #45
In other words, he's a wannabe Kim Jong-un. Fat boys with bad haircuts. erronis Sep 2018 #43
Yes precisely. Volaris Sep 2018 #44
Well, of course. Trump thinks he's King/Emperor Golden Raisin Sep 2018 #12
dictators murder with impunity. nt elmac Sep 2018 #14
Look who's complaining about treason being committed. calimary Sep 2018 #15
And here we go...from children in cages to all-out dictatorial murder... Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #17
So if TREASON warrants the death penalty......... usaf-vet Sep 2018 #19
Kim Jong-un: "Donald, use anti-aircraft guns!" dalton99a Sep 2018 #20
And they may want to carry out the punishment themselves. That is why we should not "out" JoeOtterbein Sep 2018 #21
He has no case for anything. Nothing is "injured" but him personally. bitterross Sep 2018 #22
My opinion differs. The anonymous writer wants to continue the Republican juggernaut. Eyeball_Kid Sep 2018 #40
I agree with you. You have a good point bitterross Sep 2018 #48
Trump Jong ILL Le Grand Pronounceur Sep 2018 #25
Dangerous: Trump truly believes the twisted reality in his head bucolic_frolic Sep 2018 #27
Wouldn't that be something if the op-ed author turned out to be Ivanka? LonePirate Sep 2018 #28
oopsie... shanny Sep 2018 #35
Lost it Racerdog1 Sep 2018 #29
I don't rule out the death penalty for Unindicted Co-Conspirator's treason Cary Sep 2018 #31
oh FFS shanny Sep 2018 #33
time to get "tough on treason" eh? 0rganism Sep 2018 #34
Trump should be held to the same standard.... Pachamama Sep 2018 #36
Come on, folks. There is no treason for exercising free speech. Eyeball_Kid Sep 2018 #38
The longer this goes on.... dawnie51 Sep 2018 #39
It is a diversion. dalton99a Sep 2018 #41
Maybe the death penalty should include Generic Other Sep 2018 #42
meanwhile media is concerned about Obama stepping away from the norm of former presidents JI7 Sep 2018 #49
Straight Outta Nixon. moondust Sep 2018 #51
Glad it's driving Fraud more Cha Sep 2018 #53
Pfft. Whatever. It's first amendment protected, there will never be a conviction. D23MIURG23 Sep 2018 #54

TrishaJ

(798 posts)
11. Yep. Better be careful what he wishes for in
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 10:31 AM
Sep 2018

advocating the death penalty for the "treason" for exercising 1st Amendment rights.

If it applies to "treason" for exercising 1st Amendment rights, then it DEFINITELY applies to the real TREASON of colluding with Putin to attack our country (hacking into systems by the Russian military WAS an attack on our country)!

eallen

(2,955 posts)
10. In this context, that means nothing
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 10:25 AM
Sep 2018

There is plenty of English usage where "he" and "him" don't imply that the person is male. A common example is this one, where he is an anonymous author. Even if the NYT knows the author is female, they should refer to him this way.

efhmc

(14,732 posts)
26. But then recinded that statement.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 12:46 PM
Sep 2018

"The tweet was drafted by someone who is not aware of the author's identity, including the gender, so the use of 'he' was an error," from NYT.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
50. I doubt Trumpy would have seen anything past the first mention!
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 04:47 PM
Sep 2018

Thankie for the info! Much appreciated.

Wednesdays

(17,412 posts)
47. The NYT said the person was a "he" when they published it
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 01:32 PM
Sep 2018

Although, the Times has no obligation to be truthful about the person's identity.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
6. tRump is so far off his rocker ... the guy is deranged. Tells you a lot about the new GOP and
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 09:59 AM
Sep 2018

their loyalists. Today's GOP would sell out the country to any dictator if they thought they could make a buck off it. Today's GOP motto: "The hell with the country and the people, give us cash."

jmbar2

(4,906 posts)
16. THIS!
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 12:17 PM
Sep 2018

Trump is the distraction. It's the players behind him who are engaging in a coup. Simple question - if their goals and policies are any good, why do they have to lie and hide their intent?

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
23. Exactly, it extends far beyond tRump whom they use, as you say,
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 12:37 PM
Sep 2018

for a distraction. It's unbelievable that the idiot republicans who stand nothing to gain back this guy and the GOP. A good 30% plus of the US is stupid as a rock, total losers.

at140

(6,110 posts)
30. 9/10 who opposed Trump lost their primary
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 12:55 PM
Sep 2018

So the reason the others do not openly oppose tRump
is because they are AFRAID of losing a lucrative job in politics.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
32. Another reason IMO there should be strict term limits. Far too many make it
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 12:59 PM
Sep 2018

a life's work/living and do anything to keep the cash rolling in for a lofty job.

at140

(6,110 posts)
52. Agree completely +100
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 07:30 PM
Sep 2018

Life long politicians is the highway to breed corruption. Corporations won't shove truckloads of campaign cash if the politician was term limited.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
7. The death penalty for treason?
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 10:03 AM
Sep 2018

I say bring it on!

BTW, fat boy, what "anonymous" did was in no way, shape or form considered to be "treason".

"According to Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court."

"Enemy" refers to a country or entity that has either declared war or is in open war against the United States. The wording is so air-tight that infamous double-agents Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen could not be convicted of treason after they were uncovered as spies for the Soviet Union, because at the time the United States was not officially at war with the Soviets, per ​Vox's reporting on Wednesday.

Moreover, the words "aid and comfort" mean something material -- scathing words on an op-ed would not apply.

Another kind of treason conviction would require the guilty party to take part in "levying war" against the United States, as UC Davis’s Carlton Larson, an expert on treason law, told Vox in 2013. Despite what Trump might believe, criticism against him does not qualify as declaring war against the nation."

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
24. All of that what you said is correct, but you gotta see it from donnies pov..
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 12:44 PM
Sep 2018

In his own mind anyway He IS the State; he IS the People.
This is why it's so easy to libel the press as 'the enemy'.
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy in this case means 'anything that gets ratings so the enemy can make more money', (because, again, in his mind), MOAR MONIE is the only thing that has ever been or will ever be, a comfort to him.
He's crazy and the press should ignore him, but this is projection, pure and simple heh.

Golden Raisin

(4,613 posts)
12. Well, of course. Trump thinks he's King/Emperor
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 10:44 AM
Sep 2018

so the leaker has committed lèse-majesté, and is therefore punishable by death.

usaf-vet

(6,209 posts)
19. So if TREASON warrants the death penalty.........
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 12:25 PM
Sep 2018

.... isn't he "signing" his own fate if Mueller's findings are treason?

He just doesn't know when to STFU does he.

If "free speech" from a written op-ed is treasonous. Bigly is playing with fire with his last utterance.

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
21. And they may want to carry out the punishment themselves. That is why we should not "out"
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 12:32 PM
Sep 2018

the writer of the op/ed.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
22. He has no case for anything. Nothing is "injured" but him personally.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 12:33 PM
Sep 2018

The op-ed is carefully written to give a view of people working behind the scenes to uphold the Constitution and thwart a rouge person in the Oval Office. EVERYTHING in the op-ed points to people who are more loyal to the nation than to the President. That's certainly not treason. It's actually following any oath they may have taken to protect the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Trump is a domestic enemy of the Constitution. Finding that to be true is a case that could be won in any fair court of law. It should be judged in the House of Representatives by impeachment - but for the Republicans who are complicit in Trump's crimes this would happen.

Trump doesn't have any basis for calling it treason. Nor, can he call it defamation of character or libel because it is all so very apparently true.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
40. My opinion differs. The anonymous writer wants to continue the Republican juggernaut.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 01:11 PM
Sep 2018

S/he is attempting to separate Trumpy from the greater GOP movement, so the GOP won't get swamped in November. But that attempt can only fail because there are no other signs within the GOP that concur with the anonymous op-ed writer. There really isn't a GOP right now. It's all Trumpy, all the time.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
48. I agree with you. You have a good point
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 03:42 PM
Sep 2018

There is not a GOP right now. It is a cult of Trump.

The OP-ED is all about people who are working to support the Constitution over a very flawed man.

It is very much about separating him from the party.

I feel it is a little too late to separate him and his ilk from the main GOP though. They sold their souls in order to get judges and deregulation. They have largely won on this account. That is the most damaging thing to our republic.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
36. Trump should be held to the same standard....
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 01:02 PM
Sep 2018

So when he is found guilty of Treason, we are all very clear on the penalty that should apply to him....

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
38. Come on, folks. There is no treason for exercising free speech.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 01:07 PM
Sep 2018

Treason allegations can only stick in times when Congress declares war. Other than that, it's hyperbole. Trumpy has no concept of law. He deludes himself into thinking that he's a law onto himself. That's what this is all about. So lighten up. After all, it's Trumpy's great intellect to which we're alluding. And you can take that to the piggy bank.

dawnie51

(959 posts)
39. The longer this goes on....
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 01:09 PM
Sep 2018

the more I am thinking it's a set up by Dump and a couple of his minions. Who benefits here? Attention is turned away from Kavanaugh, Mueller, Russia, and all the rest of Dump's mess. It's op-ed 24/7 since Wednesday. Wouldn't be the first time Dump has choreographed a scene for reality T V consumption. It's the only thing he's even passably good at. And as the rhetoric becomes more and more outlandish (like death penalty threats) it's coming "things that make you go Hmmmmm".

dalton99a

(81,590 posts)
41. It is a diversion.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 01:14 PM
Sep 2018
"I'm going to suck all the oxygen out of the room. I know how to work the media in a way that they will never take the lights off of me." - Donald Trump

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
42. Maybe the death penalty should include
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 01:15 PM
Sep 2018

treasonous presidents. And when the cops arrest him, they can rough him up a bit (his words, not mine): "...I said, please don't be too nice."

JI7

(89,271 posts)
49. meanwhile media is concerned about Obama stepping away from the norm of former presidents
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 04:22 PM
Sep 2018

not publicly criticizing the president.

D23MIURG23

(2,850 posts)
54. Pfft. Whatever. It's first amendment protected, there will never be a conviction.
Sun Sep 9, 2018, 01:19 AM
Sep 2018

When they convict dump of treason, I hope prosecutors seek the death penalty.

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