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Coulter: Blacks Die Too Young To Make It Worth Paying Into Social Security (Original Post) WillParkinson Aug 2012 OP
I for one congratulate her in reaching her golden years. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #1
she is a human scow roguevalley Aug 2012 #35
she's the bilge Occulus Aug 2012 #48
Fuck off woman malaise Aug 2012 #2
What? WHAT? Bobbie Jo Aug 2012 #3
"Down, girl!" rocktivity Aug 2012 #4
This is today's Republican Party! martin061360 Aug 2012 #6
Notice how the pearls make her look less like an angry Giraffe. Monk06 Aug 2012 #33
a cutie with the red goclark Aug 2012 #39
Which one is the real Coulter? WI_DEM Aug 2012 #43
Nature tried to shut Ann Coulter up once... Zalatix Aug 2012 #50
yours has the more appropriate expression lapfog_1 Aug 2012 #52
Aren't both dogs in the pics Afghans? bitchkitty Aug 2012 #54
That's why it is an "insurance" program, not a retirement program... kentuck Aug 2012 #5
Besides it is a good deal statistically for those who get to age 65. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #13
It is not a shitty deal for retirees. RebelOne Aug 2012 #18
I meant isn't. Typo fail. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #20
Flash: She doesn't KNOW what she's talking about CanonRay Aug 2012 #26
"p.s. and them that don't, should." elehhhhna Aug 2012 #7
Coulter admits that privatising SS only benefits dead people. elehhhhna Aug 2012 #8
More WTF drivel Smilo Aug 2012 #9
.... uhhh.... sibelian Aug 2012 #10
Oh, I guess she thinks PatSeg Aug 2012 #11
Unapologetically racist on its surface. SS is a bad deal for coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #12
Many families have survived on SS survivors benefits. jwirr Aug 2012 #44
Agreed. I would merely edit your statement to say "Many families, irrespective coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #45
The Splendid Blond Beast Octafish Aug 2012 #14
"splendid blond beast" Occulus Aug 2012 #49
Thanks for posting this. Haunting. Overseas Aug 2012 #53
I took the liberty of copy-pasting it here in the new DU. (sans pic showing the "protesters") upi402 Aug 2012 #57
Dr. Laura: "just say n____r out loud, Ann!" alp227 Aug 2012 #15
This sort of viciousness is insane seanpencil Aug 2012 #16
Her plan to fix this is make sure everyone dies younger Johonny Aug 2012 #17
Average difference in lifespan of black/white population at birth is 4.8 years (2007). HiPointDem Aug 2012 #19
Ann Coulter, always looking out for the black folks n/t Enrique Aug 2012 #21
That's compassionate conservatism for you! WillParkinson Aug 2012 #24
Man! She'd desperate for attention again lunatica Aug 2012 #22
Racism crawls out of Ann again. sakabatou Aug 2012 #23
I don't think it's ever crawled GP6971 Aug 2012 #27
In the Coulter world, the problem is not the low life expectancy for AA men gollygee Aug 2012 #25
This is her attempt to convince blacks of something. She thinks they're stupid, I guess. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #28
Well at least one of them is: her boyfriend Jimmie Walker from Good Times johnlucas Aug 2012 #29
No way. Are they dating? nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #30
Type 'Ann Coulter' & 'Jimmie Walker' in a search engine to see for yourself johnlucas Aug 2012 #51
Oh, you mean they're pals because they think alike. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #58
No, they actually dated. johnlucas Aug 2012 #59
20 years ago, I worked out in a gym next to Jimmie Walker ... kwassa Aug 2012 #61
How in the world was something as vile as Man Coulter created? mfcorey1 Aug 2012 #31
If black men perversely choose to die young what good are retirement accounts. They're dead. Monk06 Aug 2012 #32
They tried this before during the Bush private account fiasco--- Kingofalldems Aug 2012 #34
I really, really, really, really wish Zoeisright Aug 2012 #36
She already did. She's now haunting us as a wraith. Zalatix Aug 2012 #47
Why don't they just put the robes on and get it over with. Initech Aug 2012 #37
Gotta love her layered racist comment. Coulter always keeps it real. n/t vaberella Aug 2012 #38
She doesn't give a fuck about black men's lives!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #40
I wonder if she has ever heard of survivors benefits? Black men have wives and children and dying jwirr Aug 2012 #41
Of course it is! Survivor benefits that cannot be stolen due to skin color.That skank thinks she's lonestarnot Aug 2012 #66
She's pathetic WI_DEM Aug 2012 #42
Can you get anymore racist Ann? davidpdx Aug 2012 #46
Gawd, Coulter should be retired and put to pasture.. ananda Aug 2012 #55
Attention whoring pays, I guess. n/t upi402 Aug 2012 #56
Does she have a new book coming out or something? That's when she usually makes Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #60
Isn't there a house Coultergeist should hifiguy Aug 2012 #62
Part of her statement is a twist on an old George Wallace joke Generic Brad Aug 2012 #63
The Hyperthyroid Harpy strikes again! KamaAina Aug 2012 #64
Scankyasssaywhat? MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #65

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
43. Which one is the real Coulter?
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:31 AM
Aug 2012

Actually the one on the right is the better looking, so it must be Coulter on the left.

lapfog_1

(29,227 posts)
52. yours has the more appropriate expression
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 03:10 AM
Aug 2012

but I've always thought of her more as a good example of this breed.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
5. That's why it is an "insurance" program, not a retirement program...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:23 PM
Aug 2012

For those that die early, their survivor's get benefits. What the hell is she talking about??

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
13. Besides it is a good deal statistically for those who get to age 65.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:40 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Sat Aug 11, 2012, 01:18 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't think she has the numbers to substantiate the bad deal claim based on the lower life expectancy stats for black males, but the difference is vastly diminished anyway for the 65 year olds. Individual savings might be a better deal for the survivors of somebody who dies early, as in they get to pocket the bank account, it certainly isn't a better deal for anyone else., in particular it isnt a shitty deal for retirees, which offhand was and is the whole point of SS - providing retirement security.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
18. It is not a shitty deal for retirees.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:58 PM
Aug 2012

I have been collecting it for 8 years now and I am not bad off. My expenses are low and the social security covers them all and even leaves me some extra cash.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
12. Unapologetically racist on its surface. SS is a bad deal for
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:35 PM
Aug 2012

anyone who dies "younger." But then, so are private accounts.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
45. Agreed. I would merely edit your statement to say "Many families, irrespective
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 01:41 AM
Aug 2012

of their race, have survived on SS survivors' benefits."

Coulter would have her audience believe that there's something intrinsic to black males -- their propensity to die at a younger age -- that somehow makes SS a 'bad deal' for them when, in fact, it's either a bad deal for all regardless of race or, as you suggest, it's a good deal for all regardless of race.

Put another way, ff SS is a 'bad deal' for black males because they die young, why then so are 'private accounts,' as black males would still die young, irrespective of whether they were eligble for SS or for private accounts. Thereby explaining why I labeled Coulter's comments 'unapologetically racist.'

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
53. Thanks for posting this. Haunting.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:54 AM
Aug 2012

Thought about it after I saw No Dinosaurs in Heaven and Waiting for Armageddon. I sometimes try to forget about the millions of people being encouraged to follow faith-based politics, history and even science.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
57. I took the liberty of copy-pasting it here in the new DU. (sans pic showing the "protesters")
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:17 PM
Aug 2012

For those wondering, Sean Hannity really is a NAZI. For proof, look at what he does.
Here he supplies a forum for Ann Coulter to state: "Zeke Emanuel is on my Death List."



It's at the 50-second mark or so:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908120055

While the young Mr. Buchanan, er, Hannity has dark hair, both he and Mrs. Coulter belong to what Friedrich Nietzsche called, and Christopher Simpson indicts as, “The Splendid Blond Beast.”

What that phrase really means, there are people who are willing to kill for the sake of the race and nation – capitalism or fascism or empire or whatever. Bettering the empire through genocide, the extermination of another people, for examples: NAZI Germany, the Jewish people; Ottoman Turkey, the Armenia people; the United States, the Native American people.

We see the remnants of this in the United States on the tee vee, in the people behind the protests at the Town Forums and whatnot. MotherJones has done an excellent job of reporting: Town Hall Protests: Astroturf 2.0?.



Lo and behold! It’s the same class of frustrated group of GOPer white-power people. They should pose no real problem, provided the rest of We the People peg them for what they are.

The real problem isn't, believe it or not, that these misguided souls are the enemy. As we, those who want change in the form of national health insurance, for example, aren’t the enemy to them.

Here’s the problem: Those who don’t want change are the ones who don’t want to pay for it. The very, very rich. They’ve employed a few bad characters in the past. We can see evidence they’re back, their hatred made visible, the mob.

It's not just paranoid propaganda, what the rightwingnutjobs believe. It's generated by professionals who brought us "It's not torture. It's 'waterboarding.'"






The Splendid Blond Beast

excerpted from the book
The Splendid Blond Beast
by Christopher Simpson
Common Courage Press, 1995

Friedrich Nietzsche called the aristocratic predators who write society's laws "the splendid blond beast" precisely because they so often behave as though they are beyond the reach of elementary morality. As he saw things, these elites have cut a path toward a certain sort of excellence consisting mainly of the exercise of power at the expense of others. When dealing with ordinary people, he said, they "revert to the innocence of wild animals.... We can imagine them returning from an orgy of murder, arson, rape and torture, jubilant and at peace with themselves as though they had committed a fraternity prank-convinced, moreover, that the poets for a long time to come will have something to sing about and to praise.'' Their brutality was true courage, Nietzsche thought, and the foundation of social order.

Today genocide-the deliberate destruction of a racial, cultural, or political group-is the paramount example of the institutionalized and sanctioned violence of which Nietzsche spoke. Genocide has been a basic mechanism of empire and the national state since their inception and remains widely practiced in "advanced" and "civilized" areas. Most genocides in this century have been perpetrated by nation-states upon ethnic minorities living within the state's own borders; most of the victims have been children. The people responsible for mass murder have by and large gotten away with what they have done. Most have succeeded in keeping wealth that they looted from their victims; most have never faced trial. Genocide is still difficult to eradicate because it is usually tolerated, at least by those who benefit from it.

The Splendid Blond Beast examines how the social mechanisms of genocide often encourage tacit international cooperation in the escape from justice of those who perpetrated the crime...

According to psychologist Ervin Staub, who has studied dozens of mass crimes, genocidal societies usually go through an evolution during which the different strata of society literally learn how to carry out group murder. In his book The Roots of Evil, Staub contends that genocidal atrocities most often take place in countries under great political, economic, and often military stress. They are usually led by authoritarian parties that wield great power yet are insecure in their rule, such as the Nazis in Germany or the Ittihad (Committee of Union and Progress) in Turkey. The ideologies of such parties can vary in important respects, but they are nonetheless often similar in that they create unity among "in-group" members through dehumanization of outsiders. Genocidal societies also show a marked tendency toward what psychologists call "justworld" thinking: Victims are believed to have brought their suffering upon themselves and, thus, to deserve what they get.

But the ideology of these authoritarian parties and even their seizure of state power are not necessarily enough to trigger a genocide. The leading perpetrators need mass mobilizations to actually implement their agenda. For example, the real spearheads of genocide in Germany-the Nazi party, SS, and similar groups- by themselves lacked the resources to disenfranchise and eventually murder millions of Jews. They succeeded in unleashing the Holocaust, however, by harnessing many of the otherwise ordinary elements of German life-of commerce, the courts, university scholarship, religious observance, routine government administration, and so on-to the specialized tasks necessary for mass murder. Not surprisingly, many of the leaders of these "ordinary" institutions were the existing notables in German society. The Nazi genocide probably would not have been possible without the active or tacit cooperation of many collaborators who did not consider themselves Nazis and, in some cases, even opposed aspects of Hitler's policies, yet nonetheless cooperated in mass murder. Put bluntly, the Nazis succeeded in genocide in part through offering bystanders money, property, status, and other rewards for their active or tacit complicity in the crime.

The actions of Nazi Germany's business elite illustrate how this works. Prior to 1933, German business leaders did not show a marked impulse toward genocide. Anti-Semitism was present in German commercial life, of course, but was often less pronounced there than in other European cultures of the day.4 Among the Nazis' first acts in power, however, was the introduction of incentives to encourage persecution of Jews. New Aryanization laws created a profitable business for banks, corporations, and merchants willing to enforce Nazi racial preferences. Tens of thousands of Germans seized businesses or real estate owned by Jews, paying a fraction of the property's true value, or drove Jewish competitors out of business. Jewish wealth, and later Jewish blood, provided an essential lubricant that kept Germany's ruling coalition intact throughout its first decade in power. By 1944 and 1945, leaders of major German companies such as automaker Daimler Benz, electrical manufacturers AEG and Siemens, and most of Germany's large mining, steelmaking, chemical, and construction companies found themselves deeply compromised by their exploitation of concentration camp labor, theft, and in some cases complicity in mass murder. They committed these crimes not so much out of ideological conviction but more often as a means of preserving their influence within Germany's economy and society. For much of the German economic elite, their cooperation in atrocities was offered to Hitler's government in exchange for its aid in maintaining their status.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Genocide/SplendidBlon...

Johonny

(20,895 posts)
17. Her plan to fix this is make sure everyone dies younger
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:56 PM
Aug 2012

Republicans think the problem is not enough people die young not that too few get to old age...

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
19. Average difference in lifespan of black/white population at birth is 4.8 years (2007).
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 01:15 PM
Aug 2012

At 25 it's 4.1 years.

Black: 52.3 years (= average death at age 77.3)
White: 55.4 years (=average death at age 80.4)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59/nvsr59_09.pdf

So that's 10.3 years of SS for blacks who live to 25 on average v. 13.4 for whites.

But black americans, because of higher poverty rates & lower earnings are more likely to be totally dependent on SS in their old age.


Ann coulter is a horse's ass.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
25. In the Coulter world, the problem is not the low life expectancy for AA men
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 06:37 PM
Aug 2012

That's just fine. The only problem is social security. Nice.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
29. Well at least one of them is: her boyfriend Jimmie Walker from Good Times
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:13 PM
Aug 2012

What the hell is wrong with J.J.?
He needs John Amos to put the James Evans belt to his behind one good time.

John Lucas

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
51. Type 'Ann Coulter' & 'Jimmie Walker' in a search engine to see for yourself
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 02:42 AM
Aug 2012

Jimmie Walker has been on this Black Conservative crap for awhile & he's been lovey-dovey with Ann Coulter for years.

Like I said John Amos needs to resurrect the James Evans character & put a belt to J.J.'s behind.
J.J. may not be as skinny as he used to be but nobody handles a leather belt better than James Evans.
Hahahahaha!
John Lucas

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
59. No, they actually dated.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:24 PM
Aug 2012

Try adding 'dating', 'dated', or 'date' between 'Ann Coulter' & 'Jimmie Walker' in the search.
John Lucas

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
61. 20 years ago, I worked out in a gym next to Jimmie Walker ...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:37 PM
Aug 2012

the Holiday Spa branch in Hollywood. Walker appeared to be working out with his significant other, a somewhat frumpy blonde, as a matter of fact.

I was struck at that time by how much Walker had aged.

The gym was later very badly damaged in the '94 Northridge earthquake.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
32. If black men perversely choose to die young what good are retirement accounts. They're dead.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:20 PM
Aug 2012

In fact dead people have no use at all for retirement plans. They have moved on to the ultimate retirement, fully covered in heaven.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
36. I really, really, really, really wish
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:54 PM
Aug 2012

That bitch would just dry up and blow away. She is a curse upon the earth.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
41. I wonder if she has ever heard of survivors benefits? Black men have wives and children and dying
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 12:28 AM
Aug 2012

young makes social security very important to them.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
66. Of course it is! Survivor benefits that cannot be stolen due to skin color.That skank thinks she's
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:38 PM
Aug 2012

some kind of light bulb.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
46. Can you get anymore racist Ann?
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 02:06 AM
Aug 2012

Maybe we should put her in a prison for a day and see how long she lasts.

Arkansas Granny

(31,534 posts)
60. Does she have a new book coming out or something? That's when she usually makes
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:28 PM
Aug 2012

these outrageous statements so she can grab a little attention in the hopes of selling a few books.

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
63. Part of her statement is a twist on an old George Wallace joke
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 10:55 PM
Aug 2012

I recall him saying something like this in his act: "The life expectancy of a black man in America is 62. Why the hell am I paying into Social Security?"

But as for private accounts? How would that help anyone who dies before they can collect?

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