If you have to get a woman drunk to have sex you're scum.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

That is all !!!

[Blue_true]

1. I could never do anything with a drunk woman other than help her get home safe.

The same with a man. I am very put off by anyone that is silly enough to get hopelessly drunk. Beyond helping to keep them safe, I want nothing to do with them.

[NewJeffCT]

2. agreed

However, it's not that he had to get her drunk to have sex, it was they were drunk and he attacked her and attempted to rape her and also restrained her to keep her from calling out.

[CincyDem]

3. Here's what's missing from the story...

...where's the woman or women who say "I dated Brett K in college and he was a pretty normal, respectful guy. Like a lot of college relationships, it didn't work out but there was nothing behind that other than we just weren't right for each other."

Where is this woman.

I'd sure like to think that the couple people I dated in college would be able to say - good guy, we wanted different things or good guy but circumstances just didn't work. Whatever...

Where is the woman who is willing to support him and say "I was more than a casual acquaintance".

[JDC]

6. Good point.

[Amaryllis]

4. Rape is about power, not sex. They get off on power and control.

[brooklynite]

5. Is there evidence that he got her drunk?

Ford's statement was that Kavanaugh was drunk, not that he compelled her to drink anything.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Victim Number Two

Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the women’s soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. “We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)

A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.” She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she said. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.” She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’ And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there."


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/senate-democrats-investigate-a-new-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct-from-the-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez

[oberliner]

8. That article also doesn't say that

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. What part of Kavanaugh stuck ...

What part of Kavanaugh stuck his penis in the face of an inebriated virgin Hispanic young woman don't you
understand ?'

Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,”

[oberliner]

11. The part where that is evidence that he got her drunk

Which is what the post was in response to.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Please keep up.

Is there evidence that he got her drunk?

Ford's statement was that Kavanaugh was drunk, not that he compelled her to drink anything


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211170083#post5

Ford was able to fight Bart O'Kavanaugh off because she wasn't inebriated. She only had one beer. Ms. Ramirez wasn't so fortunate. She was inebriated and for that Kavanaugh put his penis in her face.


At least Kavanaugh and Judge didn't gang rape the poor young woman which is what Michael Avenatti alleges:

Link to tweet

[brooklynite]

14. ...and where does it say that HE got HER drunk?

The argument is NOT whether he committed sexual assault. The argument is whether larding up the charges is warranted.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I never said he got her drunk. I made a global statement.

If you have to get a woman drunk to have sex you're scum.
That is all !!!



https://www.democraticunderground.com/10021117008

People inferred I was referring to Bart O'Kavanaugh.


In any case

“We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated.

Why would they keep picking Ms. Ramirez ? One can infer from that statement the players wanted to get Ms. Ramirez drunk.

Also, there is this tidbit that suggests others thought she was a mark:

He described Ramirez as a vulnerable outsider. “Is it believable that she was alone with a wolfy group of guys who thought it was funny to sexually torment a girl like Debbie?

It is not reasonable to infer that Kavanaugh and his buddies enticed her to play a drinking game to get her drunk and sexually degrade her ?

[brooklynite]

16. I can't POSSIBLY imagine why this out of the blue comment would be associated with Kavenaugh...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Because it's a logical inference ?

[Kingofalldems]

18. Remeber all the Al Franken posts?

I do.

[GaYellowDawg]

10. Being drunk means that someone's not in a position to give consent.

So... just about impossible to call it just "having sex." You are right about the "scum" part.

[titaniumsalute]

12. Most woman I have slept with needed a drink after seeing me naked