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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:32 PM Sep 2018

Woman who accused Bill Clinton of assault goes on warpath against Kavanaugh accusers






Juanita Broaddrick‏ @atensnut

How can I, as a victim, not sympathize with Dr. Ford??
Plain and simple. I do not believe her. She has cast a dark shadow on real victims. Democrats have already convicted this honorable man. What about Judge Kavanaugh and his family?

5:24 PM - 23 Sep 2018








Juanita Broaddrick‏ @atensnut

Creepy porn lawyer, Avanatti, says he has another victim and demands to be heard. Must be one of Stormy’s co-workers

6:58 PM - 23 Sep 2018



First and foremost: Why exactly am I even giving an admittedly fringe figure like Juanita Broaddrick the time of day throughout the Kavanaugh drama?

My answer is simple: The right keeps on bringing her name up as a talking point in a blatant fallacious Whataboutism strategy. And because her accusations go straight to the heart of one major figure--a two-term Democratic President who admittedly had some public weaknesses when it came to members of the opposite sex--as well as involving another major figure, his wife and an individual who by all accounts also should have been President but for certain interference by certain foreign powers.

And we're faced with two possible reactions. We can either attempt to ignore it and let figures on the right keep on invoking this woman's name without rebuttal, or we can go ahead and grab the bull by the horns and address it once and for all, and let the world know that not all accusations are of the same level.

The problem with the first reaction, while tempting, is that it just becomes cumulative and repeated to the point where the mere repetition of her name gives her legitimacy. And once there is an air of legitimacy behind Broaddrick, then we fall susceptible to the same sort of well-intentioned but erroneous "zero tolerance" strategy that needlessly felled Senator Franken's career over allegations that constituted one posed photo in poor taste and a handful of allegations of dubious credibility.

And it already has happened with Broaddrick. We've been told that since MeToo, we're supposed to give a presumption of truth to all accusers of powerful individuals, that we can't let personal feelings or party identity get in the way, and we need to do all this to be honest and supportive of the movement. So there's almost a rush to guilt people into automatically believing people like Broaddrick.

We saw it with New York Times' columnist Michelle Goldberg:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/opinion/juanita-broaddrick-bill-clinton.html

We saw it with comedian Chelsea Handler:

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/chelsea-handler-to-juanita-broaddrick-i-believe-bill-clinton-raped-you/

But that's not how MeToo should work. We should never, ever simply believe someone accusing a powerful individual of sexual misconduct simply because they've made those accusations. That's asinine. Even if it's well intentioned, it's still asinine.

What we do have a duty to do is to consider all allegations of sexual misconduct in good faith and allow the facts to come out without preconceived biases. However, it is up to our own ability to consider those facts in good faith and without bias as to whether or not a person should ultimately be deemed believable.

And the fact of the matter is, Broaddrick and her claims that she was sexual assaulted by then Arkansas Attorney General Bill Clinton in 1978 is by no means a newcomer to the public eye. She's had plenty of opportunity to be heard.

Her accusations became public 19 years ago. Even before then, her claims were investigated by then Special Counsel Ken Starr. She filed a lawsuit based on her claims. The suit was ultimately dismissed. She's been on a large host of television and radio shows, pitched her book, and made her allegations well known.

And so, with that in mind, I can say this (at least for myself):

I don't believe her. I simply don't believe her. And I'm not going to be guilted into believing her simply by an appeal to "zero tolerance" or argument that this is merely cogitative dissonance on my part.

And the fact that I don't believe has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that her claims did not become public until 21 years after she said the assault took place. We all know that victims of sexual assault and violence frequently feel ashamed or afraid to come public with their claims, especially when the person they are accusing might be a beloved or high profile persona.

No, the reason I don't believe Broaddrick has nothing to do with her raising them in 1999, but rather everything she has done since that point, which has revealed her not only to be a partisan hypocrite, but someone who's glaring lack of empathy towards people supposedly similarly situated to her makes me honestly question how legitimate her own claims are.

Here's why I doubt Broaddrick's credibility and honesty:

1. The only time she has gone under oath, she vehemently denied being assaulted by Bill Clinton, in an affidavit filed in relation to the Paula Jones investigation. And while I understand why there are many victims of sexual assault who will shy away from the spotlight not wanting to relive horrific memories, committing perjury--which you have to believe Broaddrick was doing if you believe she was assaulted--is an entirely different matter altogether.

2. Ken Starr listened to her allegations and had absolutely no use for them. Let's be honest--a man so driven to impugn Bill Clinton's name that he took an investigation about a failed land deal and turned it into an investigation of a man's sex life would have somehow worked in an alleged sexual assault in some way or another if he found the source to be credible and believable. Starr's complete disinterest in Broaddrick's story speaks volumes as to her credibility.

3. The one woman who Broaddrick identifies as her main witness to corroborate her claims just so happens also to be someone with a very personal animosity towards Bill Clinton, as she was furious that Clinton as Governor commuted the death sentence of her father's killer.

4. The way Broaddrick has fashioned the story is, frankly, absolutely bizarre. If you read her account, it sounds like a poorly written Lifetime movie. She claims Clinton viciously attacked her in a hotel room, and then after he was done, he slyly put on sunglasses and quipped to her, "Better put some ice on that," as it related to a supposedly bloody lip. Who is this, Bill Clinton, or Detective Horatio Caine? Did he have a thin pencil moustache that he twirled while sneering? This doesn't seem like normal rapist behavior in reality at all. Then she goes on to accuse Hillary of intimidating her weeks later, claiming when she shook her hand at a fundraiser, she squeezed her hand vindictively and gave her a glare while she said, "We want to thank you for everything you've done." First of all, we're supposed to believe that Bill went around telling Hillary about how he raped a woman, and that Hillary was perfectly fine with that, and that she then wanted to engage in intimidation tactics to subvert claims of sexual assault. And that "We want to thank you for everything you've done" is somehow smoking gun proof of that.

5. Oh, and the fact that Juanita Broaddrick actually attended the political fundraiser of a man who she claims raped her just weeks after the alleged assault. What sort of victim would actually do such a thing? It's mind boggling nonsensical. Almost every woman who has ever been sexually assaulted can hardly stand to look at the perpetrator or hear his voice, and yet we're supposed to believe she had no qualms going to a political event for him just weeks after she claims he brutalized her?

6. And finally, and I think most importantly, two things about Juanita Broaddrick and her behavior since 1999 and especially since 2016:

a. That she has openly championed and appeared with Donald Trump, including just days after the Access Hollywood tapes came out where Trump bragged about kissing women against their will and wanting to "grab them by the pussy", i.e. sexual assault, not to mention other right wing figures (such as James Woods) who have also been accused of sexual misconduct, strikes of gross partisianship and grand hypocrisy; and even more,

b. That she has been so vocal to demean and disparage other women--such as Dr. Blasey Ford--who have accused high profile individuals of sexual assault and misconduct simply because the accused is a right wing figure. This includes accusers against Donald Trump as well.

Why should I believe someone like this? Why should anyone believe someone like this, especially after considering some of the other glaring flaws in her claims?

Someone so devoid of sympathy and empathy for people would be in the same position she wants you to place her in--why should we believe her?

I'm sorry, call me biased, call me suffering cognitive dissonance, but it reeks of stuntsmanship and contrived political hackery.

There should be no shame in saying that no, you don't believe this woman and you find her to be a vile hypocrite. Doing so is not demeaning the legitimate victims of sexual assault out there who have been traumatized and who would do anything to support another person in the same position as they are, without any regards to political identify or affiliation.

They're not going to stop mentioning Juanita Broaddrick's name. It's time to stop running away and to grab the bull by the horns.
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Woman who accused Bill Clinton of assault goes on warpath against Kavanaugh accusers (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2018 OP
Truly is amazing how the deplorables can reconcile and justify meadowlark5 Sep 2018 #1
Creepy Porn Lawyer (CPL) is what the chyron displayed when Avannati was on Tucker Carlson's show. TheBlackAdder Sep 2018 #15
Yep forward her tweet to your followers tell them to block this troll...or bot... samnsara Sep 2018 #2
....aaaand with a Few Silly Tweets, We Now Discover Why Ms. Brodderick Wasn't Taken So Seriously. The_Counsel Sep 2018 #3
Good point. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2018 #5
Hey, Thanks! :-) The_Counsel Sep 2018 #7
Old-timer with low post count here, too superpatriotman Sep 2018 #12
Partisan hack. IluvPitties Sep 2018 #4
She's attacking Avanatti and Daniels but not Trump. As well as Dr. Ford. Solly Mack Sep 2018 #6
She's awful. Nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2018 #16
Who the fuck is she to decide who is a victim and who is not? Snake Plissken Sep 2018 #8
She's a "victim" like Trump's a "real stable genius." Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2018 #10
She is a partisan hack JonLP24 Sep 2018 #9
Yep. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2018 #11
Who cares? Gothmog Sep 2018 #13
Her name is repeatedly mentioned as a Whataboutism tactic. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2018 #14
I remember her being used as a prop in the 2016 debates Gothmog Sep 2018 #17
If anyone had ANY doubts about this woman being an opportunistic liar well then these 2 tweets FromTheAshes Sep 2018 #18

TheBlackAdder

(28,169 posts)
15. Creepy Porn Lawyer (CPL) is what the chyron displayed when Avannati was on Tucker Carlson's show.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 05:25 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Mon Sep 24, 2018, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

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She's a FOX bot, one that enjoys Tucker Carlson, of all people. So, one of very low class and self-esteem.


Stormy Daniels’s lawyer, Michael Avenatti, finally joined Tucker Carlson Tonight after months of trading barbs with Carlson on TV and online. It was sure to be contentious from the get-go. When introducing him, Carlson made it sound as if Avenatti had been ducking him for months, though an Avenatti tweet from July proves that assertion untrue. The attorney appeared on the show with two conditions: Carlson would not call him “creepy porn lawyer,” as he has done so many times, and he wouldn’t interrupt him. To get around the first, Carlson had “Creepy Porn Lawyer” as the on-screen title for most of the interview. As far as not interrupting him, Avenatti had to repeatedly tell Carlson to quit doing it.






https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/michael-avenatti-tucker-carlson-hurl-insults-contentious-interview-044330384.html

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The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
3. ....aaaand with a Few Silly Tweets, We Now Discover Why Ms. Brodderick Wasn't Taken So Seriously.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:38 PM
Sep 2018

It took a while, but she's finally revealed that she is a partisan hack with nowhere near the interest in justice she said she had. Surprise!

The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
7. Hey, Thanks! :-)
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:54 PM
Sep 2018

Hadn't realized I was that close to 1,000.

Even more shocking is how long it took me to reach the mark. "Member since 2001!"

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
6. She's attacking Avanatti and Daniels but not Trump. As well as Dr. Ford.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:49 PM
Sep 2018

The lawyer who represents Daniels is fair game. The woman who slept with Trump is fair game - but Trump is left alone. (she's giving him a pass)

Disparaging Daniels for being a porn star, disparaging Avanatti for representing a porn star, and all women who have Avanatti as a lawyer must be a porn star - but no word against Trump...for sleeping with a porn star. (She's giving the man a pass)

A lot of people did not believe Juanita Broaddrick‏, so it can be said that the same motives and consequences she attributes to Democrats and Dr. Ford can be laid at the feet of Juanita Broaddrick and the Republicans.

She's full of shit. Her own sexist thinking about women and men shines through everything she is saying.

And that cartoon? Pure misogyny. If a woman is accusing Kavanaugh - she must be a whore.

For Broaddrick to use that cartoon tells me all I need to know about her.



Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
8. Who the fuck is she to decide who is a victim and who is not?
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:57 PM
Sep 2018

Sorry Juanita, the size of the check a GOP donor cut you does not make you an expert as to who is a victim and who is not.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
10. She's a "victim" like Trump's a "real stable genius."
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 04:20 PM
Sep 2018

That's right.

I don't believe her, I think she's a victim in her own mind, and I'm not afraid of saying that.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
9. She is a partisan hack
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 03:58 PM
Sep 2018

Really one of the few accusations I have suspiciouns about and I'm not even a Bill Clinton fan.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
11. Yep.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 05:08 PM
Sep 2018

I'm equally suspicious about Kathleen Willey's claims, but with her I think she has some serious mental problems to consider.

Broaddrick, on the other hand, is just maliciously nasty.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,155 posts)
14. Her name is repeatedly mentioned as a Whataboutism tactic.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 05:25 PM
Sep 2018

Donald Trump used her as a prop before one of the debates, and if things get particularly bad for Kavanaugh, I wouldn't doubt he namedrops her again in one of his tweets.

And then we on the left are forced to endure the internal handwringing, "Should we believe her or not? Would not believing her make us less credible? Etc."

Because that is what will inevitably happen. It happened with Franken and we lost a good Senator because of it.

We prepare now so we're not caught off guard later.

 

FromTheAshes

(128 posts)
18. If anyone had ANY doubts about this woman being an opportunistic liar well then these 2 tweets
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 06:51 PM
Sep 2018

should quell that for ya.

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