Finally! Sunlight on why -45 pushing for speed on Kav!!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

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[avebury]

1. Since it is commonly known that the State of NY AG

is after the Trump Organization and Trump Family, Mueller should turn over everything that he has that NY could use. He should be looking at whatever else that he has that could be used by a state that would be interested in going after any of Mueller's targets. Whatever is removed from Federal Prosecution and is handled by the States is removed from Trump's pardon powers.

[PJMcK]

7. What makes you think he hasn't?

We have no idea what Robert Mueller has planned and organized. From his first day on the job, he has to have known that Trump's mercurial nature could result in closing down the investigation.

The corruption and criminality that the Mueller team has uncovered appalls Mr. Mueller, I hope. Perhaps he has constructed various "dead-man" switches in the event of his termination.

Mr. Mueller has been months ahead of the public and the only times we learn anything concrete is when there are court filings. In each of those, Mr. Mueller has knocked it out of the park. Let's see what happens.

[Pepsidog]

30. I'm sure Mueller knows this and will leave some Fed charges unindicted that can be brought in State

court. I think it’s as simple as the Republicans know this maybe their last chance to put a conservative on the SC for a long time and will not let anything stop them. Still, Kavenaugh is dirty and cannot have a seat on the SC. Republicans would be smart to submit another name, an equally offensive person on ideological grounds,of course ,maybe even worse, but without the stench of Kavenaugh who will diminish the SC legitimacy and standing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

34. What I can't figure out though is that all signs

Point to them having a stronger position in the Senate after this November. Makes me think it's more about trump rushing.

[avebury]

33. Mueller is not stupid and has most likely made

made plans for what might happen if Trump and the Rethugs try to crater his investigation.

What his plans might not have taken into account was the possibility that the SC might end the Dual Sovereign doctrine so that states can not prosecute comparable cases if a President pardons someone. Should that occur, I would think that he would be better off giving states the first bite of the prosecutorial apple for whatever cases that fall within their jurisdiction which would have the impact of neutering Trump's pardon powers. If Kavanaugh gets on the SC, Mueller will have to play the game as best as he can to work around the various obstructions that are put in front of him.

In the end, does it really matter who carries out a prosecution if it results in a plea deal and/or conviction?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

38. Interesting ! So what's an example? If I was charged

With tax evasion, there would be two cases right? One in Federal court for federal tax and one in state court for state tax evasion. Right? They aren't the same crime, right?

Say trump's main goal with kav is to protect Junior from going to jail. What would be an example of a crime he couldn't pardon him for?

[johnnyknj]

55. State tax evasion

As long as he is not charged with federal tax evasion for the same return/incident.

[FM123]

2. This explains the hurry hurry panic mode of the repugs

[ProfessorPlum]

9. yep

and why they couldn't care less about Kavanaugh's history

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. And for sure Kennedy told Dipshit "he's got some

youthful baggage" and Dipshit said.." oh not a problem! I can surely help coach him with that!".

If you were an innocent man, there is zero reason you'd have to spend all that time at WH practicing.

In his interview...you could tell. He may have said the right words but there was no core truth shining through.

[ProfessorPlum]

24. "fair process"

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. Funny..what on Earth does he think he's been

Treated unfairly about?

[onetexan]

60. they're all in cahoots and will all be implicated when DOTUS goes down

so they're in a rush against time to get this done to save their arses, not jump DOTUS'.

[Hortensis]

65. Not really. It's not assigned a date yet, could wait for him.

And at what point has the original assumed reason for ramming the confirmation through -- to outrace discovery of serious problems with this person -- collapsed?

I'm noting that even if they really wanted Kavanaugh seated the very first day, McConnell also had almost a month before the start of the term to confirm, so he had time for a more seemly procedure. Instead, he scheduled the vote for an eyebrow-hiking 8 days after opening the hearing.

As for their interest in overturning 200 years of dual sovereignty, which would help their current and future leaders get away with criminal behavior, what other goals do these bastards have? It's sure nothing to do with protecting us from double jeopardy.

[deminks]

3. Sen. Kennedy (r-LA) just said his goal has always been Oct 1 because that's SCOTUS new session

Heard on Morning Jerk.

Now we know the real reason.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. Heard that too. But of course Mika didn't follow up

Did she? Logical question. Can't a judge join mid-stream? Isn't finding the truth more important than missing a case or two? And what about the October case that will help trump allies if he pardons people? And, why is Hatch involved? Thought Republicans were big on state's rights?

[Fla Dem]

26. Or the fact that we haven't had a 9th juror for almost 3 years. Scalia died 2/2018.

McConnell wouldn't even allow Merrick Garland, Obama's nominee, to have a hearing. So it's utter hogwash that there needs to be any rush to appoint a new SCJ.

[Roland99]

5. Posted about that a few days ago... compelling!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211170155

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. Yes! And I reposted your roland99 post. This is so

Important and not getting coverage! Kudos to you for picking this up. Just tweeted to a whole slew of news people.

[Roland99]

8. Awesome! Spread this far and wide!

[ProfessorPlum]

11. I've been. Both here and other social media

and thank you again for bringing it to our attention.

If this is really what they are after, it is incredible malfeasance on the part of the media and the Democrats. They should be pointing this out and shouting it to the roofs! The case was added to the SC docket for this term THE DAY AFTER Kennedy announced his resignation.

WTF. The one thing the Democratic party really lacks is SCHEMERS. Someone who thinks enough about how the Gang Of Predators would try to screw Democrats over so that they could predict, advertise, and defeat these kinds of tactics. But once again, they are asleep at the wheel. Some of them are probably even going to vote for Kavanaugh, I wouldn't put it past them.

Fuck these Republicans are evil.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. So the quid pro quo. Kennedy tells -45 he wants

To quit and to please take kavenaugh. Trump looks into what he could get out of the deal and bingo...the state/fed overlap. My son won't serve time !!!

[ProfessorPlum]

22. nor his other son, his daughter,

his son-in-law, Manafort, Cohen, all his various other cronies, money-launderers, sexual deviants, billionaires, etc etc ad nauseum

[Hermit-The-Prog]

20. bonus

The bonus in referencing your earlier thread is that it does not contain an image of that thing in the White House, nor one of McCONnell.

[Roland99]

45. lol

[erronis]

46. Agree. All those pixels are wasted bandwidth as well as diarrhea inducing.

[dalton99a]

23. +1

[onenote]

57. Not compelling. See post #54.

[babylonsister]

10. Rec'd and share that link-most don't know about this.

This explains a LOT...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/trump-pardon-orrin-hatch-supreme-court/571285/

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. Thanks for the link Babylonsister!

[watoos]

12. This should be the narrative

if the M$M were independent and nonpartisan.

[FromTheAshes]

13. Kavagnaw is CORRUPT, hence his selection. nt

[erronis]

47. Yes. And some powers have a good vice grip on the virgin's balls....

[mountain grammy]

14. When his slimy past was revealed

Kavanaugh spent NINE hours in the White House. I’m sure they talked about all the power donnie wants, and Brett will give it to him.

[watoos]

15. Back in the 60's my college professor told me

there were 2 systems of justice, one for the rich and one for the poor. Why don't they just pass a law that if you are a millionaire and up you can't be arrested for anything? The only reason that Bernie Madoff went to jail was because he stole from rich people.

When a judge lets a young rich kid off and uses the excuse that the kid suffered from "affluenza" that pretty much sums it up.

[greymattermom]

16. So that would only apply to crimes that could be charged in Federal AND State courts.

There must be a lot of things that can only be charged in State courts, right? Those indictments probably already exist under seal.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Yes, that's a bit fuzzy because this case mentions

The "same crime". It may not preclude a related but different state case (if overturned)

[Delmette2.0]

18. The Dems on the committee need to bring this up.

AND all the other cases pending before the Supreme Court that could help 45 and his pack of criminals.

[onenote]

56. Should they bring up the fact that Justice Ginsburg supports Hatch's position?

Folks ought to do some research before leaping to conclusions.

See post #54 for more detail.

[beachbum bob]

27. nothing democrats can do if all republicans vote for any trump judge, whether ifs its

Kavanuagh or some one else. GOP has all the power until democrats take it back and sworn in January 2019

this is the "elections have consequences" that non-voters AND stein voters all could care less about and many are totally whining about what is happening...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

29. True...but it seems astounding that even a

Lemming Republican would not stop and think about their own image/future reputation. How this whole thing will damage them..with women. And, if this is true, that they are rushing for trump to receive personal benefit. Surely they know he won't be around much longer (at least after 2020 for sure).

Especially with so many other cleaner nutcases to pick from.

[erronis]

48. The lemming repuglicons are either under total sway of the PTB or have stashed enough bootie

to keep them through the end times.

They don't care about the optics in the eyes of the plebes.

[beachbum bob]

61. the idea of outlawing abortion, ridding america social security is way more important than

image/reputation with supporting kavanaugh

[Botany]

28. Un-American shits

Republicans are about power and not about the rule of law.

[Dott221228]

31. Congress can write a new law, thus making a SCOTUS decision

Null and void.

[rzemanfl]

35. Um-no. What time is it where you are? n/t

[babylonsister]

36. With rethugs currently in the majority? Won't happen. nt

[WePurrsevere]

52. That's not at all how our system works.

It's SCOTUS that can nullify laws passed by congress if they decide a law goes against our constitution.

FYI... There are 3 branches of U.S. government: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here's a brief explanation of what the duty of each branch is per our Constitution.

https://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/teacher_lessons/3branches/1.htm

The President of the United States administers the Executive Branch of our government. The President enforces the laws that the Legislative Branch (Congress) makes. The President is elected by United States citizens, 18 years of age and older, who vote in the presidential elections in their states. These votes are tallied by states and form the Electoral College system. States have the number of electoral votes which equal the number of senators and representatives they have. It is possible to have the most popular votes throughout the nation and NOT win the electoral vote of the Electoral College.

The Legislative part of our government is called Congress. Congress makes our laws. Congress is divided into 2 parts. One part is called the Senate. There are 100 Senators--2 from each of our states. Another part is called the House of Representatives. Representatives meet together to discuss ideas and decide if these ideas (bills) should become laws. There are 435 Representatives. The number of representatives each state gets is determined by its population. Some states have just 2 representatives. Others have as many as 40. Both senators and representatives are elected by the eligible voters in their states.

The Judicial part of our federal government includes the Supreme Court and 9 Justices. They are special judges who interpret laws according to the Constitution. These justices only hear cases that pertain to issues related to the Constitution. They are the highest court in our country. The federal judicial system also has lower courts located in each state to hear cases involving federal issues.

[fleabiscuit]

62. Congress has virtually unlimited power.

Congress can pass another law overriding a Supreme Court decision.

[Dott221228]

67. TY Fleabiscuit for understanding how powerful Congress is

You get it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

68. Congress can and will make a law outlawing ALL birth control if people arent careful

[spanone]

32. this morning at the UN, trump told a reporter he would have pushed thru a vote 2 weeks ago

[Laura PourMeADrink]

40. Dumb question. A SC judge can be added mid-stream

Right? What is he gonna miss? Orientation? Lol

[PoliticAverse]

50. Although a SC judge can be added at any time, they won't vote on the outcome of any case...

that they didn't fully participate in.

[calimary]

37. So does this mean that the GOP does NOT believe in "states' rights"?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. Little by little, they are dismantling every one

Of their core beliefs.

Deficits

[Dopers_Greed]

51. States rights means "right for states to racially discriminate"

In dogwhistle terms

[barbtries]

41. it is so hard to believe

that republicans are working toward an unaccountable dictatorship headed by trump. but there it is. they must ALL owe russia millions and millions, or are compromised in other scandalous ways.

so much corruption. i don't know if our democracy will survive.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. Yes probably the most interesting untapped mystery

Why all of the Republicans are hitching their wagon to Trump

[erronis]

49. The dictatorship will only have the dump as a figurehead. For as long as it takes to solidify

the PTB positions. I would think a palace coup with lots of bloodshed will follow. The current oligarchy in the US will be replaced with one much more modeled after the very functional one in the new USSR.

Sign up for the the top bunks in the gulag, comrades.

[honest.abe]

42. Interesting.

Very possible this is case.

[debsy]

53. Furthermore, one cannot inundate the Repukes phone lines...

...because they - plain and simple - do not give a rats ass about what we, the people, think. They do not represent their constituents. They do believe themselves to be "above" the common man. I suppose, in literal terms, they are. They have power over us that they wield on a whim. Nancy MacLean is correct to focus on our Democracy in Chains. The fuckers are moving their coup along slowly but surely. Their goal is to have their one-party, minority-rule autocracy.

[onenote]

54. Nope. Given that Ginsburg supports the Hatch position, they don't neeed Kavanaugh to win.

The Gamble case was brought to the Court and accepted in significant part because of an opinion authored by Justice Ginsburg (and joined by Justice Thomas) suggesting that the time had come to revisit the dual sovereignty exception to the double jeopardy rule. To quote from the opinion written by Justice Ginsburg:

"The double jeopardy proscription is intended to shield individuals from the harassment of multiple prosecutions for the same misconduct. Green v. United States, 355 U. S. 184, 187 (1957). Current “separate sovereigns” doctrine hardly serves that objective. States and Nation are “kindred systems,” yet “parts of ONE WHOLE.” The Federalist No. 82, p. 245 (J. Hopkins ed., 2d ed. 1802) (reprint 2008). Within that whole is it not “an affront to human dignity,” Abbate v. United States, 359 U. S. 187, 203 (1959) (Black, J., dissenting), “inconsistent with the spirit of [our] Bill of Rights,” Developments in the Law— Criminal Conspiracy, 72 Harv. L. Rev. 920, 968 (1959), to try or punish a person twice for the same offense?"

If Ginsburg and Thomas are aligned on this issue then, one way or another, there is already is a majority on the Court to roll back the dual sovereignty exception.

[Hortensis]

64. Interesting, thanks. Kav's background seems MORE than enough

reason all by itself to explain McConnell's attempt to ram the confirmation through in a highly questionable 8 days. Also, McConnell had most of a month to get him on before the term started.

Besides, Kavanaugh should be there for oral arguments, but were they scheduled for the first week?

No doubt he's wanted on the court for this reason also, however.

[Anon-C]

58. They can literally get away with murder, and they will.

[They_Live]

59. K & R n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

63. K&R! Most important news of the day!

Great find! Wow!

[Hekate]

66. Oh, so that's another piece of the puzzle