We are not going to win over the older voters- *I meant Republican voters

[dreamland]

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Elections have become a game of my team and the other team. People are electing officials without knowing issues and only on party lines. Too many kids are still voting base on their parents' party affiliation. My kid's classmates raised their hands for a vote for tRump because as the kid said, "We are Republicans" with little idea of why they vote. We need to capture the youth vote. Artists and actors are helping and that's a start but there needs to be more, ads that appeal to the younger voters. Can we start a new #thecoolvotesforDems ? We are running out of time.

[rzemanfl]

1. This older voter appreciates the insult. NOT. n/t

[CrispyQ]

5. Ditto.

I hate posts like this. I've been a dem my entire life & I get more liberal the older I get. During the 2016 campaign someone posted that racism will die out when the old people die off. I posted some pics of Trump's rallies. Tons of young people there. One generation isn't more susceptible to it than another. You're not born with it. It's learned behavior.

[dreamland]

17. This is my point here

It's learned behavior from parents who are Republicans and the kids are voting the people their parents vote.

[Hortensis]

48. Same here. :) Btw, conservative and liberal orientations

are genetically linked. We're born with natural dispositions, and then environment gets to work. But skilled observers can identify both fairly accurately in children of preschool age.

First time I heard discussion of political leanings in children, I immediately thought my son was liberal and my daughter was relatively conservative, though both were still in elementary school. I explained what the show said to them and asked them if they could identify themselves, and to my surprise both answered immediately. They understood. At their age.

[PA Democrat]

2. Senior Voters Are Flocking To Democrats Amid Trump Chaos

Polling reveals that control of Congress may depend on seniors voters who have turned on Trump and the Republican Party, and are supporting Democrats in 2018.

CNN reported, “In CNN surveys conducted in early August and early September, registered voters who are 65 years of age and up preferred Democratic congressional candidates to Republicans by margins of 20 and 16 percentage points, respectively. CNN is not the only news organization to report this kind of GOP deficit among seniors. A late August Washington Post–ABC News survey found that if older voters were casting their ballots today, they would back Democratic candidates for the House of Representatives over Republican candidates by a whopping 22-point margin, 57% to 35%. Similarly, a national poll by Marist College conducted in early September found that among voters 60 years of age and up, they favored Democratic congressional candidates by a 15-point margin.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/19/senior-voters-are-flocking-to-democrats-amid-trump-chaos.html

[mythology]

13. Awkward

[emulatorloo]

49. +1 and thanks for interjecting facts on fact-free DU

[marybourg]

3. How about we put civics back into the school curriculum,

rather than encourage young people to emulate pop culture figures instead of their parents.

[dreamland]

18. School curriculum has not helped turn kids votes

It teaches what we should know but then they choose the team they are touted at home.

[marybourg]

47. It gives them an understanding of how government works, therefore

some confidence that they know what to vote for. Turning politics into team loyalty can work against us as easily as for us. NOT a good foundation for democracy.

[snowybirdie]

4. As an older voter

I can say, B.S. Thank you, that is all!

[dreamland]

20. My point is not that we can't turn over older voters but that we can't turn over the younger voters

because many older voters are already set. How many tRump voters do you know converted?

[snowybirdie]

23. Just mess

with Social security and Medicare in a big way and watch what happens! You don't remember, but once the most powerful man in Congress, Dan Rostenkowski, suggested a change and was voted out in the next election. If we don't retake Congress, that's going to happen. Vote Blue!

[dreamland]

28. I think that we would have lost our democracy by the time they take away our SS and Medicare

[PA Democrat]

25. Except there is direct EVIDENCE to the contrary.

Please read my post #2:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11182930

[Bradshaw3]

41. Recent polling shows you are wrong

This was also posted above but needs to be posted again:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/19/politics/the-gops-older-voter-problem/index.html

[Wounded Bear]

6. Sweeping generalities like that won't win many kudos around here...

at least not from me.

[Sherman A1]

7. Yeah, okay 👌

[RandySF]

8. I'm hearing the opposite

And you don't win elections by depending on one sliver of the electorate.

[redstatebluegirl]

9. Well I guess there is no need for this old person to go work the phones today.

Please, stop the ageism on this site. It is growing old. When I go to volunteer, a couple a times a week by the way, I don't see anyone under 50, even on the weekends and at night so don't say they are working, I still work but I give my time to my party that I have supported for over 40 years.

Get over the old thing please.

[Bradshaw3]

42. Same thing here

On the campaign I've been working on it is almost all people over 50.

[DonViejo]

10. Ooops! Another OP slipped into my trash. I guess I'll just leave it there.

[Autumn]

11. This old woman says horse apples.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. "Older voters"? Who might those be?

A lot of DUers, actually, so you might want to put your broad brush away.It's probably true that if you ask a class of 6th graders about their politics they'll just agree with their parents. That was true in my case - but it changed by the time I was old enough to vote. The so-called "youth vote" is trending strongly for Dems these days, in fact.

[dreamland]

21. The youth vote is trending only because they are relating to the artists who come out to support

their Dem candidate or because their is more awareness in whom they hang with.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

24. Oh, I think not.

Young people aren't going to vote a certain way just because of their favorite musician or movie hero. That sort of publicity doesn't hurt but please - give them a little credit. I turned liberal in college because I was paying attention to politics, not because of some rock star.

[dreamland]

26. But it takes a rock star to get you to notice the politics

CIP -Beto is compared to a rock star

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. No, it doesn't. I didn't know anybody who got their politics from celebrities.

We got our politics from the newspapers and Walter Cronkite and our friends. I got into the antiwar movement in those days in part because of my activist roommate and because, like my friends, I actually read newspapers. We didn't pay attention to or care what the celebrities and rock stars thought. We didn't get our politics from them.

[dreamland]

31. True, for that time when newspapers were respected and the news network weren't biased

Today, the kids get their politics from what Kanye said last, or what song Eminem sang about tRUMP. Rallies like "Get Out the Vote" filled the stadium with young prospective voters who came to see their superstars. It's a different era.

[JI7]

46. no, youth vote is mostly democratic because there is more diversity among younger

groups than among older ones who tend to be mostly white.

but as i said below, an old black person is more likely to vote democratic than a young white person.

[Freethinker65]

14. I changed the mind of an 88 year old life long Republican

If she lives to vote in the next Presidential election and Trump runs, he will NOT get her vote this time...and I have my suspicions she might vote for Whitmer for Governor.

I was one of a handful of kids that voted for Carter in our relatively affluent area public elementary school mock election. Let me just say more than a handful of those children grew up to NOT be Republicans. While perhaps most will be greatly influenced by their family upbringing who to vote for in their first major election, life experiences change people over time. Most elegible voters are not affiliated with either party. Most people do not vote, and many are misinformed and believe anything they repeatedly see or hear. Citizens United (and Russia and voter disenfranchisement) has really helped the GOP. Most GOP policies are horrible for the average American that conservatives so love to talk about.

[dreamland]

45. That is commendable and exactly true that it takes some life experience to change ideals

[leftynyc]

15. Since it was reported just this week

that the republicans are bleeding older voters, your post seems to be ignorant of reality.

[dreamland]

22. And yet there are still those who support Republican candidates

I just want to know where are the young voters and why are they supporting the Republicans now?

[greatauntoftriplets]

16. Jesus H. Christ.

[spanone]

19. tons 0 bullshit

[katmondoo]

27. Well, I am 87 and will vote democratic

Forty years of Republican rule has made me hate them

[Mariana]

30. It is very obvious what you meant to say.

And you are absolutely right. We are not going to win over many of the older Republican voters.

The majority of voters over 45 cast their ballots for Trump, that's just a fact. Most of them would enthusiastically do it again, if given the chance.

[cwydro]

32. What nonsense.

Yeah, in elementary school, I voted for Nixon in a classroom vote because my parents were Republicans.

By the time I could vote, I was a diehard Dem.

Proud to say my parents both became Dems before they died, and both voted for Obama - twice.

[eleny]

33. How about editing your subject field to read "...older Republican voters"

Sounds like that's what you meant, anyway.

[dreamland]

37. Thanks, and that is correct. We just need to turn over the Republican voters.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

34. Once again you insult me and pretty much everyone I know.

I'm 70. The older I get the more liberal I become.

Based on your sentence "My kid's classmates raised their hands for a vote for tRump because as the kid said, "We are Republicans" with little idea of why they vote." It's obvious the problem ISN'T older voters, but younger ones who don't pay attention to anything.

[GemDigger]

35. I take the title as you mean it.

The older Republicans will never change their minds. I can identify with that because I have been working on several older Republicans with no luck at all.


Edit: I too am old.

[pnwmom]

36. We will if their Social Security or Medicare is threatened. n/t

[ladjf]

38. I'm 82 yrs old and have never voted for a Republican and never will. nt

[Act_of_Reparation]

39. We've been "rocking the vote" for as long as I've been alive.

It doesn't work. Because contrary to what many of our esteemed Boomers seem to think, young people aren't fucking idiots in any greater respect than their parents. They're not waiting on a Kim Kardashian or a Drake to tell them to vote. They're waiting on a relatable candidate offering something they want.

[NewJeffCT]

40. the polls on older voters say otherwise

see this thread on older voters just a week ago

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211154326

[JI7]

43. old black people are more likely to vote democratic than young white people

[Basic LA]

44. Democrats are the party of Social Security & Medicare

That's what older voters (me included) depend on foremost. Social Security & Medicare has to be saved; that's our winning message & our winning fight.