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(15,543 posts)onetexan
(13,041 posts)i'm reading the allegations on HuffPost and i'm horrified beyond belief. This brave woman has such strength amidst such extraordinary times and with so much at stake. Ms. Swetnick comes forward risking her privacy, her reputation and her life. We cannot thank you enough. Hopefully her sworn testimony will be the 3rd nail in Kav's coffin that will sink him for good!
Girard442
(6,072 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Link to tweet
Avenatti has released a sworn declaration from a third Kavanaugh accuser, Julie Swetnick. She says she was a victim of a gang rape after being drugged at a party in 1982, and alleges that Kavanaugh and Mark Judge were "present."
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)These men are just pigs.
BigmanPigman
(51,593 posts)Kavanaugh has said repeatedly that he spent his youth praying, studying and playing sports and was never a "drinker". This is a witch hunt.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)I just want to give her a big hug.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)There needs to be a gofundme for her soon also as they will destroy her in every way possible.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,244 posts)With one face the GrOPers will be demanding why she didn't come forward sooner, while with the other face be trying to destroy her in any way possible.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)byronius
(7,394 posts)He needs to be gone from public life altogether.
TheBlackAdder
(28,201 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)This goes light years past the "boys will be boys" line or that ludicrous statement by Gina Sosa "What boy hasn't done this ?"
It is criminal that this behavior escaped prosecution. How many young women - who were victims of this debauchery by Kavanaugh and company - are watching this unfold right now and are being re-traumatized all over again ? They should - if they can - come forward immediately and put this monster out of contention and humiliate him for all time.
There is no longer any doubt that this man is incapable of telling the truth.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)debsy
(530 posts)... for his opprobrious behavior. So, too, should Brett Kavanaugh suffer the consequences for his thoroughly repulsive treatment of women. Not only should his name be withdrawn, he should be impeached from his currently Federal judgeship and all the cases he presided over should be revisited. He should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. This double-standard bullshit has GOT to end.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)dchill
(38,493 posts)rusty fender
(3,428 posts)ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)Lil Stinker
(12 posts)benfranklin1776
(6,445 posts)Sickening in the extreme. I applaud these womens bravery and courage in coming forward knowing that theyll be subjected to ridicule md character assassination by the predator in chief and his perverted cult of worshippers. Kudos to them for doing a service to victims everywhere of this criminality and to our country. No way should this pervert be on any court: he should instead share a cell with the criminal that nominated him. Lock them both up!!
Stuart G
(38,427 posts)irresistable
(989 posts)It just depended on his mood.
Sneederbunk
(14,291 posts)Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)affidavit noun
af·fi·da·vit | ˌa-fə-ˈdā-vət
Definition of Affidavit
: a sworn statement in writing made especially under oath or on affirmation (see AFFIRMATION sense 2) before an authorized magistrate or officer
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/affidavit
Sneederbunk
(14,291 posts)Officer would usually be a Notary Public.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)used especially in federal proceedings in my experience.
smooth64
(58 posts)The Affidavit
Dread Pirate Roberts
(1,896 posts)This is a legal declaration. Different states have different allowances for non-sworn statements. They are used all the time-particularly in motion practice. It has the same weight and effect, with the penalty of perjury for falsehoods, that an affidavit would. A legal declaration or certification provides a narrative that can be used for many different reasons in a legal proceeding. If she lied in this declaration, she is subject to prosecution for making a false statement just the same as if this were sworn testimony in court.
Sneederbunk
(14,291 posts)niyad
(113,306 posts)Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)and go ahead and put Kavanaugh on SCOTUS, even if it means losing control of Congress. It would give them 30-40 years of hard right-wing Justices. It only takes 51 Senators to put him on the court, but would take 67 Senators to get him off and there is no way in the foreseeable future that the Dems will get to 67.
If the Rethugs manage to get the 5-4 hard-Right majority that they have been working toward for the last 30-40 years, we are well and truly screwed. People just don't seem to realize that at this point, the GOP knows that, as a party, it is pretty well fucked anyway, but this is their last shot at getting the oligarchy they have been aiming for.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)give her significant credibility since she has been vetted before. This should wipe that frat boy smirk right off Kavanaugh's face.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)that the investigations into her background before her security clearances were granted disclosed her attendance at these parties?
Also, it seems odd to me that she kept going to these parties and drinking the spiked punch even after she knew what was going on. I guess as long as someone else was getting a train pulled on them, it was OK?
If a "party girl" from thirty years ago can become a respectable citizen after college, and a "party animal" guy is simply irredeemable for the rest of his life, that will be a difficult concept to sell to flyover country.
This is no more than what I expected from Avenatti. Right now, he's using this to assert that "no one is a better defender of women than I am!" when he pulls the same tactics on the rest of the Democratic Presidential field, some of whom will be women. And here we are, pinning our hopes for defeating the Trump administration on party girls and porn stars.
Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)And since she is not up for a chair on the supremes her "party" attitude has very little to do with her current affairs. If all Kav was was a party guy, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
But he is so much more than that. He is a rapist, an exhibionist, a woman hater, a criminal and a liar. Those are not the qualifications for a Supreme Court Judge.
But considering the fact that our current first lady is a nude model and escort, the concern over a witness' lady like behavior is kind of out dated and ignorant. I don't hear the same kind of outrage when RepubliCONS elevate sex workers to honorable positions. It's just when they are witnesses against old white men that the pearl clutching begins.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)think that Melania is anything other than arm candy. You don't see them bending over backwards to listen to anything she says, do you? At least Nancy Reagan had some support, even from Democratic officials, when she did her whole "Just Say No to Drugs" spiel.
At this point, Trump's base is trained by the whole "Fake News" command. They want to find a reason to believe the Trumpsters and discount or discredit any accusers of the Trump regime. It's like the German people who ignored the pleas of the civilized world, as long as the Third Reich was lifting Germany out of Weimar Republic hyperinflation and economic stagnation, whether it was on the backs of slave labor didn't mean squat to them. They didn't feel sorry for anything until after they lost.
It's all going to come down to Dr. Ford's demeanor tomorrow. If she can be like Anita Hill, showing strength, resolve, and a measured outrage, she'll win over Collins and Murkowski, and this thing is over with. If she comes across as weak or paranoid, even under withering questions over her recollections and her phobias, then it won't matter what the other two have to say.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)in general would probably have been discovered; whereas, Kavanaugh has lied under oath.
And its not the porn stars. Its the lying. It was lying about her payoff which would have been considered a campaign contribution because the intent was for Trump to benefit from her silence in the election process.
Edit-Martha Stewarts trial was about her lying to the Feds.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)But, there is a possible credible shred of truth to the idea that the silence was bought to shield Baron and Melania from this. As I've read it, where there is a dual purpose, then the political purpose does not matter. I could be wrong about that.
Also, it undermines Stormy Daniels. She was willing to keep her mouth shut for $130K when she assumed that Hillary would win, then after Trump wins, the price goes up. It looks a lot like extortion to a lot of people who are inclined to believe Trump.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)to the election when his cleanup crew went around trying to buy silence when he needed her silence to maintain a family man image for obvious reasons. That is truly laughable to say that he was concerned about his wife and son since he committed the act in the first place and years went by without him caring what she might say.
Who cares what stories Trump and his criminal lawyer make up about other people and their motives. Trump is having a meltdown over Stormy Daniels attorney, Avenatti, because Trump lies about people and Avenatti is not afraid of him. In the meantime, Trumps lawyer Cohen is under Federal investigation for myriad reasons. Its pretty obvious who the frauds are, and its not Stormy Daniels.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)And they mischaracterize what she knew before she got attacked. In high school, I always heard the punch was spiked. That's why I drank it. It didn't stop me from going to school dances. Did that make me a "party" boy? If some perv had attacked me, would it have been my fault for going and drinking the punch?
What a lame attack on a brave woman.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)I am sure every woman was hoping the truth would come out w/o them needing to tell their story and have their lives ruined...I don't blame them
the repubs are showing their true colors
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)So why do you think she kept going to these parties and drinking the spiked punch, when she knew what was happening?
My theory is that, at the time, she accepted it as part of the college party scene. I sure wouldn't want my 1970's self on trial using 2018 standards, would you?
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)seems like you do not understand the difference between consensual and non consensual sex no matter what situation the victim found themselves in
hint...it is never the victims fault
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,076 posts)... and do what they can to assist her.
calimary
(81,267 posts)I'm getting chills.
They_Live
(3,233 posts)appalachiablue
(41,132 posts)Much appreciation to Julie Swetnick for coming forward on this critical issue.
The bad behavior & character of MARK JUDGE, hiding out in Bethany Bch, Del. (near Rehoboth, Del. & Ocean City, Md.).
*Animal House Meets St. Elmo's Fire:
>Sept. 25, 'Kavanagh Classmate Who Wrote of Partying Goes Silent,' Associated Press.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kavanaugh-classmate-who-wrote-of-partying-goes-silent/ar-AAADGtM
>'Kavanaugh's Character Witness Mark Judge Has Extremely Disturbing Views About Women,' (& Blacks & Gays,) Media Matters, Sept. 17, 2018. https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/09/17/brett-kavanaugh-s-character-witness-mark-judge-has-extremely-disturbing-views-about-women-and-black/221339
"How'd you find me?" Reporters just located MARK JUDGE at a beachside place in Bethany Beach, Del.
watoos
(7,142 posts)I had a tiny bit of experience when I was on my local borough council in a town of 2,000 people. I bucked the town's mafiosa. The head of the family had a heart attack after one of the hearings and a friend of mine was blamed. He got death threats the very same night. I realized it could have been me getting those threats. I spent many sleepless nights until the issue was settled to the town's benefit.
The stakes are so much higher for these women, I only had a small taste of what they will be put through. God bless them, they give me hope that there are more good people than bad in our nation.
appalachiablue
(41,132 posts)in exposing themselves to dangers in these vicious, chaotic times.
Bluepinky
(2,268 posts)Hes afraid to show his face and answer any questions about his pervert friend Brett.
Bring it on Michael Avenatti and Julie Swetnick.
Take that Mitch, and shove it where the sun dont shine.
appalachiablue
(41,132 posts)was a nasty mean, abusive character since HS. Two days ago, John Heilemann the media commenter said on MSNBC that he knew Judge from the late 1980's when JH was a bartender in Georgetown. He stated that Judge was a sloppy, obnoxious drunk.
John Heilemann
Bluepinky
(2,268 posts)appalachiablue
(41,132 posts)gademocrat7
(10,658 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)She says that Kavanaugh's claim of innocence is "absolutely false and a lie". The old, white, republican (alleged) men on the judiciary committee will attack her. The Fox cultists will attack her. Their usurper messiah in our White House will attack her.
May Julie Swetnick be protected; she's endured enough and risked enough.
The_Counsel
(1,660 posts)Y'all know it'll happen. This administration is absolutely that petty.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)It's not related to her job or her honesty. She's doing this outside the scope of her employment.
The_Counsel
(1,660 posts)...are things the sane among us figured would never happen. Yet here we are.
But I hope you're right.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Yesterday, I said, "deliver the pearl or stop the trolling tweets Mr. A" paraphrase.
I waited until today to begin a non-stop mission to contact Senator Flake specifically and other Senators with a thank you or a plea. Senator Flake's DC mailbox is "full", no one available to take my call as of 8:30 AM MST. I also tried his local office, same recorded voice, same options. I will make an effort, all business day if need be, to connect with a real human in DC.
The main operators for the Senate are answering on 202-224-3121. The lovely lady taking my call got me through to a "leave a comment on an issue" option.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Gothmog
(145,242 posts)karin_sj
(810 posts)It's just shocking that Kavanaugh thought that this wouldn't come out and that he could get away with such heinous, CRIMINAL behavior. It just goes to show the sheer arrogance and cluelessness of the GOP that they could just put forth a "Clarence Thomas Redux" with no repercussions, just like last time. I guess they figure they have their very own serial sexual predator in the white house so it should be a piece of cake to put one on the Supreme Court. Disgusting and appalling!
meadowlander
(4,395 posts)and this is why McConnell was urging Trump to choose someone else and got the letter from the 65 classmates prepared.
niyad
(113,306 posts)question everything
(47,479 posts)Puzzler
(2,505 posts)-Puzzler
orangecrush
(19,555 posts)MFM008
(19,813 posts)Is insane or this NEEDS AN INVESTIGATION.
NOW.
onlyadream
(2,166 posts)Gang rape? Now the MD must open up an investigation.
Also, there must be MANY other women (girls at the time) who witnessed this since it seemed to have been done out in the open.
I wonder how long before more surface.
Sugar Smack
(18,748 posts)Kavanaugh has GOT to be held accountable for this.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)but, since she is a government employee with security clearance, she would also lose her job & her career if she gave a false statement - very brave of her to come forward.
This may have been mentioned upthread, but I'm at work and can't read every response.
bucolic_frolic
(43,162 posts)Well presented by both client and lawyer
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)If I were a family member of one of these women, I would have some questions for her like why didn't she call the cops when she first saw this happening? Why did she continue to go to these parties and do nothing? Why was she that indifferent to these girls then?
She was a college student, a legal adult, going to high school parties.
bucolic_frolic
(43,162 posts)such as the demure women culture, because people don't want to get involved, no one else did any reporting of the incidents either. To some great extent, one just goes along to get along, everyone's had a drink or two. There was not a mobile smart phone video culture at the time. So surely she's prepared to answer such questions and others, Avenatti will not leave her defenseless.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)None of those are acceptable reasons. Every individual in a society has three ethical responsibilities: Report crimes, aid/rescue those in need, and protect children. No there wasn't a mobile phone culture, but there was a landline within walking distance.
No, she either was a sociopath then or a liar now. Of course, the two are not mutually exclusive. I'm astounded that nobody is asking the same questions.
bucolic_frolic
(43,162 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)is required.
Anything less, is a travesty to women and men - planet-wide.
Anything less is a travesty to our survival as a species.
This could be the tipping point.
Time to make a stand.
It's all idiomatic.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)So maddening and disgusting the lot of them.