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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFlake starts out speech on Senate floor equalizing Kavanaugh and his accusers
...that's the end of that for me.
Portraying this sitting judge as a victim of this process is a mockery of the Court he's trying to join. Due process would affirm his reputation, not diminish it. If Kavanaugh's guilty, he has nothing to fear from an investigation.
So far, Kavanaugh has shown open contempt for the process of investigations, for due process. He doesn't deserve the shield of a legal system he's openly scorning. If he's somehow a victim of these proceedings, it's because he's trying to subjugate the judgment of criminal matters to a partisan, stacked political process, instead of insisting on an FBI investigation.
The real victims here are, of course, these sexual assault survivors who have been compelled into the public arena to bare their reputations in a effort to be believed by this committee. There's absolutely no reason for this trial-like hearing, except for the craven need and desire of republicans to discredit these accusers before the nation and advance their president's nominee to the Supreme Court.
No matter what Flake is reasoning, Kavanaugh goes into this hearing facing several weighty and consequential accusations which all carry the same devastating theme of sexual abuse and assault. Armed with little more than his questionable word, the credibility gap with these women places him firmly on the defensive.
Given that this proceeding is still about Kavanaugh's fitness for office, his lack of veracity, and his blatantly false representations of his past, it places a steep burden on him to reconcile these vile acts - acts he's been described as either witnessing or participating in - with the image he tried to portray in the interview on FOX.
Denials without anything but his word to refute them should not be accepted as a defense in the committee, by Flake or anyone else.
hlthe2b
(102,276 posts)...he was just trying to make room for a yes vote. Trying to compartmentalize everything and wall Kavanaugh off from the accusations.
He's worthless.
eleny
(46,166 posts)elfin
(6,262 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)in a manner that respects his mentor, Senator McCain and his religion's moral values. To flake or not to flake, or is he a hypocrite?
Shame on you Senator Flake if you fail to stand for your own stated Mormon values.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Between Judge Kreepazoid and his accusers, which one is up for a seat on the Supreme Court? Who should be beyond reproach, of the highest moral character, and of unimpeachable (you should excuse the word) reputation?
marybourg
(12,631 posts)If all publicans - including the creature in the White House- could speak as sensibly as this, we'd be in a good place.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...this is the Bush-era republican party.
Kinda-gentler politics that obscures complicity and duplicity.
Link to tweet
Let's not lose sight of the fact that Flake has, so far, done NOTHING to actually confront Trump, outside of these confession camera-type speeches on the Senate floor.
NOT ONE THING.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)own party without naming it. I didn't see the beginning, but the parts I did see contained notably little false equalization.
This is some of what I copied for another post:
"...we should be ashamed. We can't very well undo the damage...but we can govern our own behavior as we go through this painful hearing tomorrow...we must do that lest we do even more damage"
"...the toxic political culture that we have created has infected everything...we've only indulged it, fanned the flames, taken advantage at every turn, deepened the ugly divisions....
"These past 2 years we've tested the limits of how low we can go, and my colleagues, I say to you that winning at all costs is too high a cost... "
Senator Flake spoke of a death threat to him and his family for "interrupting my president" and for that offense they "would be taken out."
"...we have lit a match, my colleagues. My question is, do we appreciate how close the powder keg is."
As I said, a powerful statement with very little false equalization in the greater part I heard.
Despite what he may have started with, he's clearly speaking mainly to his Republican colleagues, but to all who are at fault. Including those on the left who've gone too far in hate-ful behaviors, such as on political forums, but the part I heard contained nothing to suggest the usual right wing pretense that Democrats were just as bad.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and those typical of our deep-red neighbors here in north Georgia suggest the same problems: Us OR them alignment, with a requirement that political opponents must completely fall in line with us, and when that of course never happens, reactions of a knee-jerk complete rejection and demonizing.
I know this isn't the whole you, though. Unlike some it would sadly sum up pretty succinctly.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...Americans are not at war with each other, we're besieged by a corrupt, duplicitous republican party.
Republicanism is not just an opposition party, it is a dangerous and destructive philosophy. Put into practice, it is naked corporatism, unquenchable militarism, unashamed discrimination, and anti-democratic tyranny. This republican class who is in power right now is the worst in my lifetime; nothing but a front for their corporate masters.
They are putting our nation at risk and threatening the health of the earth itself. This shouldn't be just a battle to just sit a couple of rungs above them. They need to be disenfranchised from successfully promoting and furthering their agenda.
They need to be taken down, and their supporters need to understand we're not willing to subject the nation, any more, to the consequences of the republican party's elaborate con job masquerading as policy.
We shouldn't pretend that there aren't specific issues which form a dividing line. Most of these, on the Democratic side, are long standing efforts to provide basic needs and to uphold or establish basic rights which the republicans obstruct with whatever position or strategy suits the moment, often completely running over their previous philosophy, like their former objections to 'nation-building', or conservatives' former support of privacy rights.
I reject any implication that our Democratic politics has EVER been unnecessarily confrontational. These 'lifelong republicans' need to be CHALLENGED and discredited when they try and push their obstructionist, industry enabling agenda, not mollycoddled.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)But what's happened to the right is contagious and infecting the left. I agree virtually entirely with the dangers you see in what has taken over the Republican Party. Our democracy is in existential crisis and we absolutely have to remove them from power and to keep majorities from forming who would replace them.
But becoming more like them in behavior risks destroying us also, and expert observers say we are. Just look around here at DU. Implacable hostility and vile, absolutist insults arising from indulgence of our basest impulses are nearly as common and just as shameless as they are on right wing forums. How on earth are we going to restore health to our nation this way?
Just now I expressed appreciation for a Republican senator's grave warnings about destructive behaviors meant very obviously almost entirely for his own Republican colleagues. That should not have stimulated ignoring my simple message to ascribe attitudes I don't have and never expressed. That's okay. As I said, these are emotional times and an emotional day. But you should know that that is exactly the kind of response I'd expect from showing Flake's message to many conservatives here in Georgia.
In any case, Christine Blasey Ford just provided a model for other citizens. Whatever she says in private, because this was performance of a public duty we infer her political leanings only from her highly principled, scrupulously nonpartisan behavior. She's living her principles by serving her entire nation. She came forward when her information would help the Republicans easily pass on Kavanaugh, should they choose (!), and then provided scrupulously honest information to the entire judicial committee.
The committee vote's after lunch. Flake will vote yes to punt it to the full senate. Big surprise. He's always been what would once have been considered, and still is, an economic extremist.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...projecting what happens on this discussion board onto politics, in general, is a glaring fallacy which isn't even worth debating.
It will just stand, I guess, as your own perception of our party and politics.
Oh, and Flake is a charlatan.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Bad memory, should have taken a hint to ignore or at least check your past messages for dissimilarities. Now I'm wondering who I was thinking of...?
Oh, well. Fwiw Blasey is obviously very honest with both the world and with herself. If you'e among those who are feeling real admiration for her, maybe take some time to figure out why so many do. If not, of course, don't.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...or even explainers of republicanism.
Nothing personal, but you should realize that there are things that some people won't allow themselves to be trifled with. At least I'm willing to explain why. That should, in my mind, make more clear any misunderstandings you might have about who you're conversing with.
Flake is a con. He hasn't done ONE thing to actually confront his party or Trump, except run this con game in advance of running for president. I'm not going to validate any of it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And you being you makes so much more sense.
As for who I thought I was conversing with while I kept an eye on other things (NOT a multitasker any more), name still won't come. Whoever she is, I feel like I owe her an apology. I was surprised at "her" message but thought maybe all these dark events were dragging her down.
Carry on.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...it's really not your fault, and you don't deserve anything of what I'm feeling right now.
I see the sun's finally coming out... gonna step outside.
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)tens of millions of American women and just say 'no'.