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Alhena

(3,030 posts)
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 04:08 PM Sep 2018

Assume we win the Senate. Do we have the political capital to stop Trump's next nominee for 2 years?

This is assuming that Kavanaugh is not confirmed (seems likely), that we win the Senate (entirely possible), and that Trump nominates a new solid conservative with no skeletons in his closet (seems likely if Kavanaugh is defeated- Trump has always said his SCOTUS nominees will come from his campaign list of hardline conservative judges).

Is it realistic to think that Schumer, with guys like Manchin in his caucus, would have the political guts and capital to put that nominee on ice for two full years? One year, sure- Garland has provided ample precedent for that. But two years? That would be bold stuff, and I really don't think Schumer has the guts and/or political capital to do it. Especially since red staters would already be screaming bloody murder over Kavanaugh's Borking.

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Assume we win the Senate. Do we have the political capital to stop Trump's next nominee for 2 years? (Original Post) Alhena Sep 2018 OP
Yes. And just close the issue, it's their normal and our payback. bettyellen Sep 2018 #1
They Still Have Until January LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #2
That's what worries me.We can't stop a Dec.Nomination. mainstreetonce Sep 2018 #9
Bonking, not Borking, is the cause of Kavanaugh's downfall. n/t rzemanfl Sep 2018 #3
What? You don't believe his 30 year old virgin story? Alhena Sep 2018 #5
Color me skeptical. rzemanfl Sep 2018 #13
Really? I look at profiles, yours is interesting ChubbyStar Sep 2018 #14
Yes, no replacement until next President is seated in 2020. honest.abe Sep 2018 #4
I agree we SHOULD do that, expect someone like Manchin would spoil the party though Alhena Sep 2018 #6
Maybe BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #7
True, assuming Manchin isn't forced to commit during the campaign not to do it Alhena Sep 2018 #12
Merrick Garland or the seat sits empty. roamer65 Sep 2018 #8
Yep Gothmog Sep 2018 #10
I don't think it would get that far. If Kavanaugh is withdrawn/defeated, then a Republican Senate jpljr77 Sep 2018 #11
I honestly don't know whether the lame duck option is feasible Alhena Sep 2018 #15
Two options maui902 Sep 2018 #16
 
2. They Still Have Until January
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 04:09 PM
Sep 2018

There is still a lame duck session, that they can ram someone through. So long as they choose someone safe who lies and says that they view Roe V Wade as settled law, so the Idiot Collins believes them.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
4. Yes, no replacement until next President is seated in 2020.
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 04:11 PM
Sep 2018

Just an extension to the McConnell/Garland rule of 2016.

Alhena

(3,030 posts)
12. True, assuming Manchin isn't forced to commit during the campaign not to do it
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 04:21 PM
Sep 2018

I expect the Koch groups will be on him pretty hard to commit not to go along with a two year stall.

jpljr77

(1,004 posts)
11. I don't think it would get that far. If Kavanaugh is withdrawn/defeated, then a Republican Senate
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 04:20 PM
Sep 2018

will simply seat the next nominee in the lame duck session. Just for timeline's sake, Trump makes the nomination public, let's say, the week of Oct. 15. There's plenty of time to have a vote by early December.

But if even that were to fail, then the Democratic Senate could simply give a hardline nominee hearings and bring up a vote. If the vote failed, so be it...bring on the next one, and repeat, until Trump finally nominates a Kennedy-like replacement (or set the bar at Garland-like, whatever).

Alhena

(3,030 posts)
15. I honestly don't know whether the lame duck option is feasible
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 04:23 PM
Sep 2018

They'd presumably have to work through Christmas break, and shortcut the FBI investigation.

You could be right, but I'd like to see an article on the subject from someone with experience on Senate scheduling matters.

maui902

(108 posts)
16. Two options
Wed Sep 26, 2018, 04:43 PM
Sep 2018

1. Assuming Senate is controlled by Democrats, and there is an open seat, offer Trump and the Republican minority the following: nominate Merrick Garland and we'll approve the nomination immediately. Nominate anyone like Kavanaugh and we'll reinstate the 60 vote majority required to approve a SC nominee and pledge to hold a hearing on any such nominee, but good luck getting anything but nominal support from Senate Democrats to approve any such nominee.

2. Keep the seat open until 2020.

I'm a little concerned about option 2 because it stoops to the Republicans' level to use process in a blatant way to block a nomination.
The "you started it" argument just doesn't appeal to me as a winning position, as satisfying as it might feel.

The basic premise behind option 2 is to give Republicans a choice between reversing the wrong they committed by not allowing a hearing for Judge Garland (who was nominated as a compromise choice) or coming up with a more moderate nominee that, together with most if not all of the Republican minority in the Senate, would attract enough Senate Democrats to meet the 60 vote threshold (which I'd do everything I could to force the Republicans to accept going forward).

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