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so grassley is not going to let avanttis client testify? (Original Post) questionseverything Sep 2018 OP
NOpe, wont let anybody do anything...I cant get angrier, if I do I will have heart attack Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #1
I hear you. Zoonart Sep 2018 #6
of course not. RockRaven Sep 2018 #2
Was there ever any belief that he would? BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #3
These fuckers and their predecessors have waited 40-50 years for this moment. pangaia Sep 2018 #4
Hell no cmeneer Sep 2018 #5
need to get a hold of a Maryland DA, still can bring charges if act occurred there beachbum bob Sep 2018 #7
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2018 #8
yes that is true..especially true in the conspircies to commit gang rapes questionseverything Sep 2018 #9
So far today Avenatti remains mum on this. triron Sep 2018 #11
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #12
I so support taking this to the State of Maryland.... FarPoint Sep 2018 #10
First thing the cops are going to ask her gejohnston Sep 2018 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author FarPoint Sep 2018 #14
you forgot...what was she wearing questionseverything Sep 2018 #15
what she was doing has nothing to do with it gejohnston Sep 2018 #16
the woman reporting the crime is evidence questionseverything Sep 2018 #17
why aren't they turning it over to Maryland gejohnston Sep 2018 #19
a woman's sworn testimoney isn't evidence? questionseverything Sep 2018 #22
Doesn't matter if it is a man or woman, gejohnston Sep 2018 #25
geesh questionseverything Sep 2018 #24
OK, gejohnston Sep 2018 #28
she is asking for a full investigation,i support her in that request questionseverything Sep 2018 #29
I think she should file a criminal complaint gejohnston Sep 2018 #30
most of us are interested in finding the truth questionseverything Sep 2018 #31
I'm the one interested in the truth gejohnston Sep 2018 #32
judge's x gf reporting he confessed this to her is more evidence questionseverything Sep 2018 #18
no she didn't gejohnston Sep 2018 #20
She's entitled to a full hearing Achilleaze Sep 2018 #21
agreed questionseverything Sep 2018 #27
By the time Avenatti presents her on prime time malaise Sep 2018 #23
i hope you are correct questionseverything Sep 2018 #26

Zoonart

(11,866 posts)
6. I hear you.
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 09:33 PM
Sep 2018

I have been a blow torch all day. Have to admit I'm not watching any commentary tonight. I can't keep hearing it.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
4. These fuckers and their predecessors have waited 40-50 years for this moment.
Thu Sep 27, 2018, 09:31 PM
Sep 2018

They are NOT going to let it pass.

Response to triron (Reply #11)

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
13. First thing the cops are going to ask her
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:25 AM
Sep 2018

How did she meet these people (she graduated from a public school in a different part of the city and was a sophomore in a state university.)?
As a legal adult, what was she doing at a high school party?
Why didn't she leave the first time and call the cops (we are talking about a violent felony), let alone show up for 2-10?

You need evidence for charges. There isn't any. What DA in their right mind is going to go court with just the claims of someone who sociopath level indifferent to what was happening to the girls or just making shit up?

Response to gejohnston (Reply #13)

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
15. you forgot...what was she wearing
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:29 PM
Sep 2018

I don't know the answers but that is why it needs investigated but I can guess

she showed up at those parties cause that is where the free booze was

when huge parties get thrown, many people show up that don't know the host at all

maybe she didn't know what the "line" was about until it was too late?

these are horrid allegations that deserve investigation

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
16. what she was doing has nothing to do with it
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:43 PM
Sep 2018

Yes, it does deserve investigation, but there has to be evidence. There is none.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
17. the woman reporting the crime is evidence
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:47 PM
Sep 2018

her lawyer says she has at least 1 witness ready to testify on her side

so there are 2 pieces of evidence before any investigation is done

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
25. Doesn't matter if it is a man or woman,
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 03:01 PM
Sep 2018

this isn't the inverse of Saudi Arabia, nor should it be. It is an accusation and nothing more. After the DA in the Duke LaCrosse case got disbarred and went to jail, no DA is going to touch it without real evidence.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
24. geesh
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 03:01 PM
Sep 2018

Sworn testimony is evidence given by a witness who has made a commitment to tell the truth. If the witness is later found to have lied whilst bound by the commitment, they can often be charged with the crime of perjury.
Sworn testimony - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sworn_testimony

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
28. OK,
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 03:04 PM
Sep 2018

but did she give it to Montgomery County, Maryland? That's supposed to be enough? That is how they did it in the Salem witch trials.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
29. she is asking for a full investigation,i support her in that request
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 03:16 PM
Sep 2018

evidently you agree with kav that no investigation is needed

we can agree to disagree

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
30. I think she should file a criminal complaint
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 03:24 PM
Sep 2018

with the proper jurisdiction. If Montgomery County cold rape cases dating back to then, maybe she could useful. Or, maybe not.
I didn't say one wasn't needed, I'm just saying what is based on the information I have.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
31. most of us are interested in finding the truth
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 03:40 PM
Sep 2018

you have already tainted yourself when you said the following.....

the claims of someone who sociopath level indifferent to what was happening to the girls or just making shit up?


I am not a lawyer so I have no idea if charges could be filed or not but that doesn't change wether her story is important or not

the nation deserves to know

and I believe her

I find your defense of kav upsetting especially on a democratic message board

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
32. I'm the one interested in the truth
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 04:42 PM
Sep 2018

Has nothing to do with being a Democrat or a Republican, it has to do with core principles: the presumption of innocence and due process. These are concepts that are old than the Magna Carta and is the core of any free and civilized society. When independents see these guys saying "there is no presumption of innocence", how do you think they will vote? Men will say "screw these people" and women will say "that could be my son".

No, charges can not be filed. The police have to provide the DA with enough evidence to file charges.
There is no reason to believe or disbelieving her. She might be telling the truth, or it could be a 4chan prank. Problem is, she went to the media instead of the cops after a sleazy lawyer found her. Tell me that isn't a red flag.

I'm not defending any individual, I defending core principles that are much larger than any individual or party. Just because he is a Republican nominee, it is OK to destroy is life based on accusation alone? How about the death threats on his family? The fact that armed US marshals have to protect his kids even at school. Is keeping Roe and overturning Heller really worth that?
Guilt by accusation is what the Nazis and the Communists did.
You can feel anything you want, I will still be looking at only the evidence and reason.
Sorry you find that upsetting, but it is what it is. If it makes me a less of a Democrat, well screw it.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
18. judge's x gf reporting he confessed this to her is more evidence
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:51 PM
Sep 2018

kav's yearbook is evidence, it shows a pattern

there is tons of evidence in the public sphere...just because the repubs refuse to look at it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
20. no she didn't
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:55 PM
Sep 2018

because none of it means shit in court. You can't even get a search warrant with that bullshit. A confession from a HS girlfriend is hearsay.

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