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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsso grassley is not going to let avanttis client testify?
about the gang rapes?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Zoonart
(11,866 posts)I have been a blow torch all day. Have to admit I'm not watching any commentary tonight. I can't keep hearing it.
RockRaven
(14,967 posts)fingers in ears, hands over eyes... well, he's gonna need more hands.
BigmanPigman
(51,593 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)They are NOT going to let it pass.
cmeneer
(253 posts)That would reek of fairness and objectivity.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)questionseverything
(9,654 posts)triron
(22,003 posts)Tomorrow may be too late.
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FarPoint
(12,395 posts)Criminal charges...proceed.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)How did she meet these people (she graduated from a public school in a different part of the city and was a sophomore in a state university.)?
As a legal adult, what was she doing at a high school party?
Why didn't she leave the first time and call the cops (we are talking about a violent felony), let alone show up for 2-10?
You need evidence for charges. There isn't any. What DA in their right mind is going to go court with just the claims of someone who sociopath level indifferent to what was happening to the girls or just making shit up?
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questionseverything
(9,654 posts)I don't know the answers but that is why it needs investigated but I can guess
she showed up at those parties cause that is where the free booze was
when huge parties get thrown, many people show up that don't know the host at all
maybe she didn't know what the "line" was about until it was too late?
these are horrid allegations that deserve investigation
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Yes, it does deserve investigation, but there has to be evidence. There is none.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)her lawyer says she has at least 1 witness ready to testify on her side
so there are 2 pieces of evidence before any investigation is done
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)authorities? No, that is not evidence.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)a second witnesses sworn testimony isn't evidence?
I call bs
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)this isn't the inverse of Saudi Arabia, nor should it be. It is an accusation and nothing more. After the DA in the Duke LaCrosse case got disbarred and went to jail, no DA is going to touch it without real evidence.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)Sworn testimony is evidence given by a witness who has made a commitment to tell the truth. If the witness is later found to have lied whilst bound by the commitment, they can often be charged with the crime of perjury.
Sworn testimony - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sworn_testimony
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but did she give it to Montgomery County, Maryland? That's supposed to be enough? That is how they did it in the Salem witch trials.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)evidently you agree with kav that no investigation is needed
we can agree to disagree
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)with the proper jurisdiction. If Montgomery County cold rape cases dating back to then, maybe she could useful. Or, maybe not.
I didn't say one wasn't needed, I'm just saying what is based on the information I have.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)you have already tainted yourself when you said the following.....
the claims of someone who sociopath level indifferent to what was happening to the girls or just making shit up?
I am not a lawyer so I have no idea if charges could be filed or not but that doesn't change wether her story is important or not
the nation deserves to know
and I believe her
I find your defense of kav upsetting especially on a democratic message board
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Has nothing to do with being a Democrat or a Republican, it has to do with core principles: the presumption of innocence and due process. These are concepts that are old than the Magna Carta and is the core of any free and civilized society. When independents see these guys saying "there is no presumption of innocence", how do you think they will vote? Men will say "screw these people" and women will say "that could be my son".
No, charges can not be filed. The police have to provide the DA with enough evidence to file charges.
There is no reason to believe or disbelieving her. She might be telling the truth, or it could be a 4chan prank. Problem is, she went to the media instead of the cops after a sleazy lawyer found her. Tell me that isn't a red flag.
I'm not defending any individual, I defending core principles that are much larger than any individual or party. Just because he is a Republican nominee, it is OK to destroy is life based on accusation alone? How about the death threats on his family? The fact that armed US marshals have to protect his kids even at school. Is keeping Roe and overturning Heller really worth that?
Guilt by accusation is what the Nazis and the Communists did.
You can feel anything you want, I will still be looking at only the evidence and reason.
Sorry you find that upsetting, but it is what it is. If it makes me a less of a Democrat, well screw it.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)kav's yearbook is evidence, it shows a pattern
there is tons of evidence in the public sphere...just because the repubs refuse to look at it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)because none of it means shit in court. You can't even get a search warrant with that bullshit. A confession from a HS girlfriend is hearsay.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)She's got cred. He (R) does not.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)malaise
(269,004 posts)Grassley will be running for cover.