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ColoradoBlue

(104 posts)
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:09 AM Sep 2018

My husband is a registered Republican

Has been since the days of Reagan. He views himself as fiscally conservative but socially liberal. He also - unlike most of today's Republicans - has incredible critical thinking skills and has always prided himself on looking at and voting for each candidate based on their merits. He voted for Obama twice and for HRC in the last election.

The other day I was talking about the elections and who was going to be on the ticket. He said, "You know what? I'm going to stop you right there. I'm making it easy on myself and voting straight Dem." At first I thought he was joking but then he said, "Any chance I have to stick it to these f*ckers, I'll take it."

For him to say he's voting straight Blue without even looking at the candidates is pretty remarkable and I think part of a sea change that's going on for SOME in the party. I know he's in the minority but we don't need the majority. We just need enough people like my husband who can clearly see what's going on and refuse to support the continued downfall of our country. He gave me hope and I'll take all I can get right about now.

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My husband is a registered Republican (Original Post) ColoradoBlue Sep 2018 OP
Hopefully, there are millions of folks like him... Wounded Bear Sep 2018 #1
Did he vote for trump? Nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #2
Oh hell no! ColoradoBlue Sep 2018 #5
My husband DID vote for trump Rorey Sep 2018 #27
I am so sorry ColoradoBlue Sep 2018 #29
He was crying about us not having ESPN Rorey Sep 2018 #31
im in the other boat BigGermanGuy Sep 2018 #39
I don't know how you all do it. Dave Starsky Sep 2018 #43
when we met she was apolitical BigGermanGuy Sep 2018 #46
Mine changed Rorey Sep 2018 #48
Wow. I don't even know what to say to that. Dave Starsky Sep 2018 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Midnight Writer Sep 2018 #79
Sorry for all you've been through, Rorey.. Cha Sep 2018 #69
".......decided to have an affair" The Wizard Sep 2018 #74
That was stated in the OP. NT tymorial Sep 2018 #13
Not on the original post, she added it later! nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #33
Was stated in the OP that he voted for Hillary. Blue_true Sep 2018 #24
Not on the original post, she added it later! nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #34
Tell Him Thanks LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #3
My wife did the same thing. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #4
Sounds like she is a keeper! Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2018 #10
Except he is the reason for the coming radical Supreme Court manor321 Sep 2018 #6
Ya know, maybe we should be thanking this babylonsister Sep 2018 #12
Some will never give an inch to anyone and its extremely frustrating tymorial Sep 2018 #18
oh for ffs. tymorial Sep 2018 #15
Unbrilliant (eom) ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #20
Simmer down Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #52
Good for him. And good for you. Aristus Sep 2018 #7
True ColoradoBlue Sep 2018 #16
My marriage has changed for the better politically, just like yours. Aristus Sep 2018 #19
I always hear "fiscally conservative"... druidity33 Sep 2018 #54
I mean, I'm kinda fiscally conservative quakerboy Sep 2018 #55
+1 eom stopwastingmymoney Sep 2018 #66
Military waste is the 800 pound gorilla in the room. The Wizard Sep 2018 #75
congratulation, ColoradoBlue-- librechik Sep 2018 #8
He needs to change his affiliation to cause a direct link between his change and today's sham. TheBlackAdder Sep 2018 #9
With all due respect to your husband PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2018 #11
Ha! ColoradoBlue Sep 2018 #17
Mind bobbling isn't it and just on an overview............... airplaneman Sep 2018 #50
Same with my husband phylny Sep 2018 #14
Give him a registration form and tell WhiteTara Sep 2018 #21
Old School Republican.. Permanut Sep 2018 #22
Oregonian? charliea Sep 2018 #35
100% Oregonian.. Permanut Sep 2018 #47
Hear here! nt TwistOneUp Sep 2018 #81
Your husband is right. Blue_true Sep 2018 #23
I have a Republican relative who is voting straight blue grantcart Sep 2018 #25
All we need is 3 Republicans in 100 to change and vote Dem grantcart Sep 2018 #26
My husband is also still a registered Republican. mountain grammy Sep 2018 #28
You married well (n/t) leftynyc Sep 2018 #30
ahhh...Reagan was a fiscal conservative...myth n/t hibbing Sep 2018 #32
Your husband is a Real republican. TwistOneUp Sep 2018 #36
I think today's Republican party is socially conservative (repressive) and fiscally irresponsible. Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2018 #37
My husband is too but I don't think he's voted for a National Republican candidate since McCain TNLib Sep 2018 #38
My husband was raised in a family of Country Club rethugs Olafjoy Sep 2018 #40
Colorado, for some republicans there is anger at what's happened to their party lovemydogs Sep 2018 #41
Welcome to DU, ColoradoBlue! calimary Sep 2018 #42
Thanks for posting... Upthevibe Sep 2018 #44
My Republican mother-in-law is doing the same thing. She is disgusted with the way Luciferous Sep 2018 #45
Welcome to DU sellitman Sep 2018 #49
Spoke to a Bredesen canvasser in deep red Blackburn district and he said redstateblues Sep 2018 #53
THIS IS GOOD, BUT IT IS SAD ALSO ROB-ROX Sep 2018 #56
I keep running into these guys. They won't admit Jakes Progress Sep 2018 #57
My husband ColoradoBlue Sep 2018 #59
So Jakes Progress Sep 2018 #65
I will not argue this with you ColoradoBlue Sep 2018 #68
Nor I with you. Jakes Progress Sep 2018 #73
Jon Stewart voted for Bush in 1988. Crunchy Frog Sep 2018 #78
I believe Stewart is aware Jakes Progress Oct 2018 #87
I feel this way about my husband as well (see my post above). phylny Sep 2018 #77
Misreading. Jakes Progress Oct 2018 #86
The Democratic Party is more fiscally conservative and socially responsible than the GOP. Owl Sep 2018 #58
Yep ColoradoBlue Sep 2018 #62
Hi from Lakewood! eleny Sep 2018 #60
Greatest thing when a mate Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #61
Kiss him for me! lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #63
You have a good man there PJMcK Sep 2018 #64
These contests are fought in the margins stopwastingmymoney Sep 2018 #67
Got to Spank 'Em many a good man Sep 2018 #70
I think there bdamomma Sep 2018 #71
Tsk, tsk, tsk...but you married him anyway.....at least he's slowly coming around to the light lastlib Sep 2018 #72
A smart republican Turbineguy Sep 2018 #76
They better... TwistOneUp Sep 2018 #80
My late husband had the same epiphany! WinstonSmith4740 Sep 2018 #82
We need to change REAL R's, not "Republicans" who have voted Democrat for 3 straight elections. nt MadDAsHell Sep 2018 #83
Presidential Elections ColoradoBlue Sep 2018 #84
Mine is Independent and voted straight Dem without reading up on them flygal Sep 2018 #85

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
27. My husband DID vote for trump
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:15 PM
Sep 2018

The good news is that we're getting a divorce.

Politics definitely affected our marriage. He was always a staunch Democrat until trump. I think he lost his mind.

Whatever the case, I was trying to stick it out until this whole thing came crashing down and he came to his senses. He decided to have an affair, so I'm done trying to wait out this trump disaster.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
31. He was crying about us not having ESPN
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:27 PM
Sep 2018

The Broncos are on Monday Night Football this next week. I actually went online to upgrade our cable package, and then it hit me that we'd also be getting Fox because it's on every damned package except for Basic. I had dropped down to Basic to get rid of Fox because I couldn't tolerate coming home and seeing him sitting in his chair absorbing all of their poison. So I guess he'll have to find someplace to watch his game. Sad.

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
39. im in the other boat
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:59 PM
Sep 2018

i'm a male progressive married to a conservative trump voting woman...

it has affected our relationship quite a bit...

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
43. I don't know how you all do it.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 01:25 PM
Sep 2018

Politics was always something I screened for on the first date, if not before.

 

BigGermanGuy

(131 posts)
46. when we met she was apolitical
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 01:34 PM
Sep 2018

as the Obama years progressed, her family went into madness and frenzy...

I love her, but I do my best to avoid politics in general. I also do my best to make sure she is too busy to vote on election day.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
48. Mine changed
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 03:27 PM
Sep 2018

If someone had told me 20 years ago that he would ever vote for a Republican, much less whatever -45 is, I never would have believed them. It's sheer insanity.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
51. Wow. I don't even know what to say to that.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 04:15 PM
Sep 2018

There must be something within him that has been triggered by the relentless propaganda put out by Rush Limbaugh, other right-wing radio hosts, and Fox News over the last 40 years. It has really been an ongoing onslaught to attack people's minds.

Response to Rorey (Reply #48)

Cha

(297,265 posts)
69. Sorry for all you've been through, Rorey..
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 09:22 PM
Sep 2018

but sounds like you're better off for it.

I found out years ago through my kids that my former husband is a faux news truther("it's all true" ) .. We were married 12 years, and broke up in 1979. But, when I heard that I knew we never would have made it since that's who he turned into.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
24. Was stated in the OP that he voted for Hillary.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:08 PM
Sep 2018

Not Stein, he didn't write in Bernie or left the President choice blank, he VOTED for HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
4. My wife did the same thing.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:11 AM
Sep 2018

She used to be a registered Republican. Voted Romney in 2012, which was actually before we had ever met. Voted Clinton in 2016, despite being a registered Republican. We moved a couple times last year and ended up back in Indiana, and she submitted her absentee ballot for midterms yesterday, voting straight Democratic.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
6. Except he is the reason for the coming radical Supreme Court
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:12 AM
Sep 2018

Heck, how many on the current court were put there by Presidents he voted for? And confirmed by the Republican Senators he voted for?

He will OWN every single one of the coming radical 5 - 4 votes.

babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
12. Ya know, maybe we should be thanking this
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:18 AM
Sep 2018

man and not be bludgeoning him. What's done is done, we have to look forward and need all the votes we can get.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
18. Some will never give an inch to anyone and its extremely frustrating
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:23 AM
Sep 2018

Its like demanding perfection in people; a perfect history with no errors or mistakes. It doesn't matter that perfection is impossible, the imperfect must be shunned and purged. I've seen far too often; condemning a person based upon a sliver of knowledge.

Aristus

(66,380 posts)
7. Good for him. And good for you.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:15 AM
Sep 2018

I tend to distrust anyone who describes him or herself as 'fiscally conservative and socially liberal'. Conservative fiscal policies are inherently regressive, and tend to harm socially progressive policies.

It's just a dodge. People want their tax cuts, but don't want to be tagged as misanthropic.

ColoradoBlue

(104 posts)
16. True
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:20 AM
Sep 2018

And between you and me, I always roll my eyes when he says it. Because recently, nothing he's done or said has supported that supposed stance. But when you've been married for over 25 years, sometimes you just have to roll with it.

Aristus

(66,380 posts)
19. My marriage has changed for the better politically, just like yours.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:25 AM
Sep 2018

Mrs. Aristus used to be a staunch conservative Republican and evangelical Christian. I always thought they were both a bad fit for her, since she is exceptionally intelligent, loving, compassionate, and mostly progressive (abortion is her one sticking point). Well, she has ditched the Republican Party, probably forever, and we never go to church anymore, she feels so betrayed by the 81% of evangelicals who support Trump.

Now her battle cry is: "Vote for every Dem on the ballot!"

This is the only bright spot in an otherwise dismal electoral cycle.

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
54. I always hear "fiscally conservative"...
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 04:41 PM
Sep 2018

and think, "so you don't want to pay for welfare or medicare?". The reality is of course that those programs are the cheapest and most effective ones in our current clusterfunk of a National citizen/resident support program. I also tend to find that the people that describe themselves as fiscally conservative are usually middle aged white men... it's anecdotal but true in my experience. There's a Privilege aspect to that term that i can't seem to pin down.



quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
55. I mean, I'm kinda fiscally conservative
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 05:42 PM
Sep 2018

I think we should spend a ton less on our military, esp on military related contractors. And we should spend less on tax breaks for the rich. And reduce our national health care spending to be more in line with the rest of the developed world via single payer. And reduce our spending on building prisons. And I damn sure oppose squandering massive amounts of a pointless wall.

Like I say, fiscally conservative.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
75. Military waste is the 800 pound gorilla in the room.
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 12:08 AM
Sep 2018

If you frame it as waste people will listen.
I had a chance meeting with former Congressman Barney Frank. One of the things he focused on was excessive military spending. He was one of the few talking about it. But even the Congressman wasn't calling it waste.
Eisenhower warned us in his 1961 Farewell Address.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
8. congratulation, ColoradoBlue--
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:15 AM
Sep 2018

My Colorado husband said he would register as a Republican so he could have some influence on that party.

I told him that would mean divorce.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
11. With all due respect to your husband
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:18 AM
Sep 2018

(and the next thing to ask him is why in hell he doesn't change his party registration) I am tired of people hiding be the Republican lable by claiming to be fiscally conservative but socially liberal. First off, Republicans are NOT fiscally conservative. Yeah, they do everything in their power to transfer money from the poor and middle class to the rich, but that is not being fiscally conservative. As for socially liberal, don't they notice that the Republican Party is simply not socially liberal? It has voted against liberal positions consistently since at least the Great Depression.

It's Democrats who balance the budget and reduce the deficit. If that's not the definition of being fiscally conservative, then I don't know what is. If voting to uphold the rights of women and all minorities, which is what Democrats do, isn't being socially liberal, then I don't know what is.

So please explain to your husband that he really is a Democrat and stop claiming to be a Republican. And stop being registered as one.

ColoradoBlue

(104 posts)
17. Ha!
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:22 AM
Sep 2018

Totally with you! And I have explained that he is a Democrat many times or at least an Independent. But while he has many, many good qualities, he is also quite stubborn. So I humor him while supporting his latent Dem tendencies.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
50. Mind bobbling isn't it and just on an overview...............
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 04:06 PM
Sep 2018

Democrats the true conservatives believe in tax and spend responsibly while balancing the budget. Republicans the truly irresponsible ones believe in tax cut, borrow, and spend even more blowing up the budget.
-Airplane

phylny

(8,380 posts)
14. Same with my husband
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:20 AM
Sep 2018

who did not vote from Trump. He just today said, “We need to vote for people who are going to do what’s best for 80% of us, not 20%.” He’s been voting blue since Obama ran the first time.

In other news, my nephew who HATES both parties and always voted for “other” just announced on Facebook that he’s voting Democratic for probably the rest of his life.

Finally, the owner of my company told me at lunch last week that she’s horrified by Trump. Yes, a former tea partier is now voting for Dems.

Permanut

(5,610 posts)
22. Old School Republican..
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:48 AM
Sep 2018

My father has been gone for 30 years; was an Eisenhower, Tom McCall and Hatfield fan. Same with my wife's father, who has been gone for 12 years. Both were honorable men, and neither would recognize the Republican party today, or vote for anyone with an (R) after their name. Both had the idea that Republicans are the job creators, which of course has been one of the propaganda tools of the Republican Party since before Reagan, but formalized with "Reaganomics".

charliea

(260 posts)
35. Oregonian?
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:42 PM
Sep 2018

We've lived here for over 35 years, and up until 2016 I was an Independent. Joined the Democratic party so I could vote in the primary for Bernie. Tom McCall would be a radical socialist lefty by today's Republican standards, I like what he did for the state. My biggest regret was that I didn't vote for Norma Paulus when she ran for governor in 1986, I didn't believe her stated positions, arguably more liberal than the Democratic candidate's (later shown to be a pedophile), simply because she had Republican next to her name, and Rayguns was president.

Glad you mentioned Eisenhower. My dad was a WW II vet and he loved Ike. The Republican party 1956 platform is one I could support. I recommend it to all as an interesting read.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838|

Here's a few bullet points of what it championed:

Provide federal assistance to low-income communities
Protect Social Security
Provide asylum for refugees
Extend minimum wage
Improve unemployment benefit system so it covers more people
Strengthen labor laws so workers can more easily join a union
Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of sex

I could, and would, vote for all of those...

How could a party change so much in my lifetime?

It's our dream let's bring it back.

#RESIST

Permanut

(5,610 posts)
47. 100% Oregonian..
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:14 PM
Sep 2018

great info, charliea. That's the party platform the old school Republicans stood for. And you're so right about Tom McCall. One of my treasures is a coffee table book by Ray Atkeson called "Oregon", and instead of the author's autograph, it has Tom McCall's. Probably a giveaway by Tom when he was governor.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. Your husband is right.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:06 PM
Sep 2018

To pull the country back from the brink, we need shock therapy via the voting booth. Republicans MUST go down to defeat across the country.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
25. I have a Republican relative who is voting straight blue
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:09 PM
Sep 2018

"If the Democrats don't win in a landslide the Republic is lost."

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
26. All we need is 3 Republicans in 100 to change and vote Dem
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:12 PM
Sep 2018

And 4 in100 to stay home.

On top of what is going on it will transform a wave into a tsunam2

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
36. Your husband is a Real republican.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:44 PM
Sep 2018

We used to have those in this country, until the party got taken over by the RW fundagelicals. I know that happened when Reagan appointed a "porn czar" and actually shifted FBI budgets around to fund the porn czar department. That's when the fundagelicals began calling themselves The Moral Majority. Stripping peeps of their voting rights and human rights is completely immoral, yet they have the cojones to consider themselves "moral" (and Only themselves!)

Now we'll all frame shift back into 1950, My Three Sons, and - of course - Father Knows Best. Ladies, get out that crinoline and the 4" stilletos, it's time to wash the dishes! (Groan)

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
37. I think today's Republican party is socially conservative (repressive) and fiscally irresponsible.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:57 PM
Sep 2018

They lower taxes for the rich and create huge deficits. If you want responsible taxing and spending, vote for the Dems. If you are socially liberal, definitely vote for the Dems.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
38. My husband is too but I don't think he's voted for a National Republican candidate since McCain
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 12:57 PM
Sep 2018

He usually votes for some unknown independent in national elections and republicans in local elections.

It makes me wonder what it would take for democrats to win over voters like him who are disgusted with the GOP but can't vote dem because of years of brainwashing from their ultra conservative families.

Olafjoy

(937 posts)
40. My husband was raised in a family of Country Club rethugs
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 01:18 PM
Sep 2018

Marrying me has made him much more politically aware. He is a registered Independent but hasn’t voted for a rethug in 25 years. I came home from work last night and he was watching Rachel! I mean, there was a football game on! He looked at me and said “I can’t believe these fu*#+rs”. He does not usually engage like this. He waits for me to fill out a sample ballot and takes it to the polls. My husband flipping from a good football game to watch Rachel tells me reasonable people are horrified.

lovemydogs

(575 posts)
41. Colorado, for some republicans there is anger at what's happened to their party
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 01:22 PM
Sep 2018

I was in my 20s during the 80s. While I very much disliked Reagan, republicans did not start becoming toxic until the 90a.
I remember the night Clinton was elected and Bob Dole was interviewed. He sounded like Mitch McConnoll and his one term snark about Obama.
Dole said they were going to make it tough on Clinton. The republicans, after 12 years, were pissed a democrat was elected President.
Then came Newt.
And Delay.
They fundamentally changed the House and the party.
Since then, Republicans who loved the Reagan years have found the party, instead of the joy they had during the 80s continue but, found their party taking more and more dark turns.
Republicans becoming ugly and nasty.
It led to a Trump party today

calimary

(81,295 posts)
42. Welcome to DU, ColoradoBlue!
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 01:25 PM
Sep 2018

Great to hear about your husband's change-of-heart. Thanks for sharing it with the rest of us here. Any wee bit of good news on a morning like this is MUCH appreciated. I hope there are many others like him. A critical mass of others like him.

Luciferous

(6,080 posts)
45. My Republican mother-in-law is doing the same thing. She is disgusted with the way
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 01:28 PM
Sep 2018

the Republicans are acting.

sellitman

(11,606 posts)
49. Welcome to DU
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 03:40 PM
Sep 2018

My wife was a Con her whole life until we married 31 years ago. I never asked her to but she left the GOP and has voted Dem every year since.

Makes things easier for sure.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
53. Spoke to a Bredesen canvasser in deep red Blackburn district and he said
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 04:38 PM
Sep 2018

lots of Republicans have said "Don't tell anyone but I'm voting for Bredesen" I'm seeing a surprising number of Bredesen yard signs as well.

ROB-ROX

(767 posts)
56. THIS IS GOOD, BUT IT IS SAD ALSO
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 06:02 PM
Sep 2018

An intelligent person who makes a choice to vote BLUE. This tells me that those who do not think will continue to make the same mistakes. California has a minority of 30% RED who no matter what happens vote RED. They do not see any wrong with the GOP; they are just brain washed. I am glad there are a few who are strong and smart enough to decide for the themselves right from wrong.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
57. I keep running into these guys. They won't admit
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 06:17 PM
Sep 2018

that when they voted for reagan/bush/bush they were voting to set up exactly what we have no. If they had woken up twenty years ago, we wouldn't have a lying molester in the white house and a lying rapist on the Supreme court.

When I talk with these "born again" Democrats, I want them to apologize for setting this up. Of course I have to see if they are actually thinking people or not. The idiots who don't think believed that republicans were fiscally honest and careful and don't see how racist and misogynist they are. The "thinkers" knew that even before reagan, republicans were using dog whistle rhetoric to lure racist votes while fanning the flames of bigotry for their own benefit. The idiots have to apologize for being dumb. The "thinkers" have to apologize for the racism that is now accepted mainstream.

ColoradoBlue

(104 posts)
59. My husband
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 06:47 PM
Sep 2018

My husband has nothing to apologize for. He is a good, kind, smart, loyal, thinking individual who chose his party affiliation when he was 18 years in the 80s in Oklahoma. There is not a soul on earth who could have accurately predicted, in 1985, the rise of Trump or what the Republican party has become. If he had known, my guess is his choices might have been different.

However, like most of us, his views and understanding of the world and politics have changed since he was 18. But unlike so many who cling to identity politics at any cost, he has recognized the growing threat and is now doing what he can to fight back. His actions are what count, not some worthless "apology."

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
65. So
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 07:51 PM
Sep 2018

those who chuckled when the republicans were playing to the yokels for their bigot votes are without need for apology. (The best part of an apology is that one acknowledges error.)

In 1988, did all the good, kind, smart, thinking individuals fall for bush1's Willie Horton ad and believe that Dukakis was uncaring about rape and murder? Or were they the ones who knew the evil trick that lee atwater was doing and chuckled at the dumb Democrats?

If someone can't admit they were fooled . . . well listen the the lyrics by the Who. (Not bush2's version).

Sorry. He sounds nice. I just wish he could see his errors from the past.

ColoradoBlue

(104 posts)
68. I will not argue this with you
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:51 PM
Sep 2018

I know him. You do not. I respectfully ask you to stop casting aspersions and making assumptions about someone you know nothing about. Thank you.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
73. Nor I with you.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 11:15 PM
Sep 2018

I wish I knew him. He sounds like a very good man. You see aspersions where there are none. I didn't assume anything about him. I drew on knowledge of other people I have known - as I stated in my first reply.

I didn't say that republicans who see the light and begin to vote Democratic are bad. I said they need to learn from their mistakes less they repeat them in the future. For instance, I upset you by posting something of my beliefs that upset you because of your relationship. That was evidently a mistake. One I won't repeat. That's how growth works. I have more admiration for you husband than I do for someone like me who was raised in a union backing liberal family and have always voted Democratic. He has changed for the better. My only point was that unless my erstwhile republican friends (most of whom first balked at sarah palin) need to see why they were wrong even before mccain made that horrible mistake. If they don't, they risk falling for the republican bullshit again.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
78. Jon Stewart voted for Bush in 1988.
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 12:31 AM
Sep 2018

Are you going to beat on him as well? Liz Warren was a Republican during the time of Reagan, and, I believe up until Clinton ran. Better demonize her as well.

Republicans are glad when former Democratic voters vote for them. That would seem to be a more effective approach than what I've been seeing from posters here.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
87. I believe Stewart is aware
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 12:44 AM
Oct 2018

of how wrong he was. I think he has shown that he realizes his errors and is unlikely to repeat them. Warren, too, shows all evidence of realizing that reaganomics was a joke and a scam.

Please stop misreading things. This was not about demonizing anyone. It is about actually changing instead of going with the cool trend or bending only to the most obvious offenses of the republicans. I'm an old guy. I watched "hippies" from the sixties who graduated and then became corporate stooges. They were only hippies because it was cool and got girls. We have all the questions about why did those white voters vote for Obama and then trump. They were just following the hot new thing. My question about these turnaround spouses is whether they truly realize the damage they have done and see that they were either being duped or hypocritical when they voted for republicans.

When John Stewart voted for bush, he helped prove that negative, racist advertising works. If someone voted for reagan, they helped destroy whole parts of the ecosystem as watts sold off our national heritage to the mine owners and foresters. If someone voted for bush2, they helped cheney kill hundreds of thousands and create a terrorist threat that will be with us for generations.

If you don't recognize that you've been duped, you can be easily duped again.

phylny

(8,380 posts)
77. I feel this way about my husband as well (see my post above).
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 12:15 AM
Sep 2018

I'm happy he's made the change. I hold no grudge against him.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
86. Misreading.
Mon Oct 1, 2018, 01:14 AM
Oct 2018

I didn't say anything about grudges. I said that those who fell under the spell of republican lies and have seen that Democratic candidates are a better choice should recognize that they were misled and lied to, and they need to examine why they were susceptible to politics that used race and division as a tool. Otherwise, they are still open to the lie of "fiscal conservativism" masking bigotry and hatred.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
61. Greatest thing when a mate
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 07:08 PM
Sep 2018

Figures it out by themselves. I stopped browbeating my husband and he came along on his own by reading and thinking

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
64. You have a good man there
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 07:47 PM
Sep 2018

In your story, he exhibits two examples of intelligence.

1. His critical thinking skills brought him to the obvious conclusion that the fuckers need to be taken down.

2. He was smart enough to marry you.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
80. They better...
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 08:40 AM
Sep 2018

Kick out the fundagelicals or the GOP will be 10% of the population, just like the fundagelicals.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
82. My late husband had the same epiphany!
Sat Sep 29, 2018, 10:21 AM
Sep 2018

There's a lot of similarity in our experiences, except he was a Republican since Nixon. He was one of the only people I ever knew who admitted to voting for him...twice. And Reagan...the first time. That was the last time he voted for a Republican for President. The Republican Convention in 1992 was his moment of enlightenment, and his words are burned into my memory. "Could you please pick up a voter registration form for me tomorrow? I don't want to be associated with these people anymore." Thinking about it always gives me the warm fuzzies. Thanks for re-kindling the thoughts, and congratulations for guiding your husband to the light!

ColoradoBlue

(104 posts)
84. Presidential Elections
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:09 PM
Sep 2018

He has voted D in the last three presidential elections. That doesn't mean he's voted for all democrats in all elections since 2008. The fact that he flat out said he's voting straight blue in the upcoming election is huge and shows how fed up he is. And I don't think he's alone. That's why I feel positive (although I'm not taking anything for granted) about a Blue Wave.

flygal

(3,231 posts)
85. Mine is Independent and voted straight Dem without reading up on them
Sun Sep 30, 2018, 02:11 PM
Sep 2018

He's disgusted and can't vote R until they disavow trump.

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