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I think that what Flake actually did, was.. (Original Post) AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 OP
If murkowski and collins say qazplm135 Sep 2018 #1
Admit it, you're Katy Tur! irresistable Sep 2018 #2
Why, did she just say that too? n/t AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #5
nice try, Katy. irresistable Sep 2018 #6
I only wish AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #9
You would want to be Olbermann's girlfriend? irresistable Sep 2018 #10
She is? AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #11
Was... irresistable Sep 2018 #15
She's with Bateman now? AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #17
no, this guy irresistable Sep 2018 #18
Eh. Who's that? AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #19
journalist Tony Dokoupil- correspondent for CBS News. irresistable Sep 2018 #23
Exactly what he did. Hoyt Sep 2018 #3
I agree wryter2000 Sep 2018 #4
... and I think that Feinstein's initial understanding was... AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #7
Hard to say if Feinstein was bamboozled gratuitous Sep 2018 #26
Yep gulliver Sep 2018 #8
You think the FBI would lay down for Trump? Jersey Devil Sep 2018 #12
That's my inclination, too n/t AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #14
I think some of them absolutely would. llmart Sep 2018 #16
I would expect Trump to request safe, narrow areas of investigation. gulliver Sep 2018 #20
There was a vote. Do you mean a floor vote? AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #13
Yes, the floor vote. gulliver Sep 2018 #21
Then we'd see what Flake, Collins and Murkowsi AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #24
Thank you! ohtransplant Sep 2018 #22
There's strategy in extolling his courage right now AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #25
Sounds like the committee vote was meaningless anyway. dawg Sep 2018 #28
nice try. Flake is making an FBI investigation happen. Kavanaugh will not survive that. PubliusEnigma Sep 2018 #27
I hope beyond hope that happens AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #29
Parsing words is a political art form. Flake has all Ninga Sep 2018 #30

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
4. I agree
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:30 PM
Sep 2018

Furthermore, McTurtle had said he didn't care how the committee voted. He was going to bring Kavanaugh to the whole Senate, anyway. What Flake did in the committee didn't matter.

Now, he's made his yes vote contingent on an FBI investigation. The FBI can take that one calendar entry and check out if that house was the one where the assault took place. They can also question Judge.

On the whole, not bad for a Republican.

AndJusticeForSome

(537 posts)
7. ... and I think that Feinstein's initial understanding was...
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:36 PM
Sep 2018

... that the FBI part and the voting it out of committee were conjoined. Which they weren't. Was she bamboozled?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
26. Hard to say if Feinstein was bamboozled
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:59 PM
Sep 2018

But for Republicans and their media enablers, the 11-10 committee vote is all they need or care about. Things will speed on to their conclusion on the original timetable unless the Republican waverers (Flake, Murkowski, and perhaps others) are as good as their word. I have learned over the years not to count on that for anything. The whole point of this farce was to get Brett Kreepazoid's butt in a chair in the Supreme Court hearing chamber in time to hear oral arguments on the Gamble case so he can be in on the opinion and ruling.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
8. Yep
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:37 PM
Sep 2018

It could all be for cover for Flake, Kavanaugh (in the future), and other Republicans. There could be a perfunctory FBI investigation request, weakly carried out by a request from Trump to the FBI.

I would be surprised if there is a vote today or tomorrow.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
12. You think the FBI would lay down for Trump?
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018

I doubt it. I think they will, if anything, do a bang up job just to show they are independent.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
20. I would expect Trump to request safe, narrow areas of investigation.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:49 PM
Sep 2018

Is it possible for Trump to request the investigation be reopened but dictate its scope? I don't know. I have a hard time imagining the Republicans not requesting the investigation at this point. I don't see how they can refuse, unless they simply "want" or "already know" they will never get the votes on the floor.

AndJusticeForSome

(537 posts)
13. There was a vote. Do you mean a floor vote?
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018

That was supposed to happen tomorrow, and still may, for all we know.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
21. Yes, the floor vote.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:52 PM
Sep 2018

If it happens tomorrow, I would expect Kavanaugh to lose (with Flake, Murkowski, and possibly Collins voting against). There are so many ways to analyze it, it is ridiculous.

AndJusticeForSome

(537 posts)
24. Then we'd see what Flake, Collins and Murkowsi
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:55 PM
Sep 2018

are really made of.

Unfortunately, I think we already know: It's a bluff. Hope I'm wrong.

ohtransplant

(1,488 posts)
22. Thank you!
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:54 PM
Sep 2018

I don't understand all the posts about how courageous Flake was!!!

As the obvious deciding vote in the committee (Grassley even said so) and if he really believed in what he was saying, he could have held up the committee vote a week and made his "Yes" vote conditional on the outcome of an FBI investigation.

In my mind he folded on his straight flush and decided to play another hand with a pair of sixes. He may bluff his way through but not without a lot of luck...

AndJusticeForSome

(537 posts)
25. There's strategy in extolling his courage right now
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:58 PM
Sep 2018

because it makes it that much harder for him to betray his word, even if just a little.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
28. Sounds like the committee vote was meaningless anyway.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 03:03 PM
Sep 2018

McConnell has said that he planned to bring the confirmation vote to the floor even if the committee voted "no".

Ninga

(8,275 posts)
30. Parsing words is a political art form. Flake has all
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 03:08 PM
Sep 2018

bases covered....
I have a hard time seeing him vote yes if no FBI investigation takes place...

All bets are off re what FBI turns up,

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