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Quixote1818

(28,943 posts)
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 06:39 PM Sep 2018

I was in a Fraternity in College for a couple of years. I left because of guys like Kavanaugh

My Dad was in a Fraternity back in the 50's and had talked me into it. It wasn't really my thing right from the beginning. I am not saying all Fraternities and people in Fraternities are bad but they attract a number of people who remind me of A LOT of Kavanaugh!!!! Arrogant pricks whose parents were loaded and would send them money for food and they would buy kegs instead. There were only two of us out of like 50 to 60 guys who worked our way through college. Most guys were not from middle class backgrounds but people from prestigious families.

To make a long story short there were about 7 to 10 guys who so much remind me of Brett Kavanaugh. They came from wealth, thought they were big shots, they constantly drank, they were demeaning and disrespectful to women or anyone they thought was inferior to them. Yes, they were very conservative! Not unusual as most in the Fraternity were conservative and only a few of us were not. I clashed with them more than once and over time I just found myself less and less interested in any of it. I eventually left and never looked back. Had a much better time in college after it was in my past. I don't want to completely diss Greek life because I think for some it's a great thing and there were some absolutely amazing guys in there as well. Guys I still am friends with today. Had it not been for a small group of dick heads it would have been fine.

Watching Brett Kavanaugh reminds me so vividly of the mindset and white privilege and arrogant male chauvinistic piggery that I saw from those 7 to 10 guys. I don't know if any of them sexually assaulted any women but I would guess they probably did based on how they talked about women and some of the stories were dam close to sexual assault or perhaps was. It was certainly abusive. They talked about women as though they were less than human. I remember stores like a guy having sex with one of the little sisters, getting off and then pushing her off of him saying "Get off me!" And as she got dressed he said he yelled, "And turn on the air conditioner on your way out!" To which the guy telling the story said she would would finish tentatively put her clothes back on and then turn the air conditioner on; then they would bust up laughing. So the part about Ford saying they were laughing as they bounced off the walls brought that story back to me so vividly. I remember very clearly saying, "That's fucked up!" to the guy. I swear to God I actually said that. Every time I would see her after that I would remember that story. She was a girl who was very unsure of herself to begin with and I always felt sorry for her. This is just one example of talk that went on all the time.

I have ALWAYS despised guys like this. Something about them makes my skin crawl. I see Kavanaugh's wife listening to him and I wonder how on Earth she can stand him? Her expressions make me wonder if she does secretly hate his guts.

On the same note, Kavanaugh and those guys in the Fraternity remind me so much of the Socs in the book 'The Outsiders'



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I was in a Fraternity in College for a couple of years. I left because of guys like Kavanaugh (Original Post) Quixote1818 Sep 2018 OP
I didn't even consider joining a fraternity in college b/c they were populated by people like RockRaven Sep 2018 #1
I can relate to this so much. Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #2
I had zero interest in them when I was at university. roamer65 Sep 2018 #3
I knew guys like that Maeve Sep 2018 #4
I went to a few frat parties in college kimbutgar Sep 2018 #5
Buddies and I belonged to GDI benld74 Sep 2018 #6

RockRaven

(14,972 posts)
1. I didn't even consider joining a fraternity in college b/c they were populated by people like
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 06:49 PM
Sep 2018

Kavanaugh. I had had enough of people like him in high school. My university only had a dozen fraternities and sororities in total when I was a freshman, and by the time I had graduated four years later two fraternities and one sorority had been either banned from campus by the university or had their chapter suspended by their national organizations. Within a decade of my graduation the university administration had banished fraternities/sororities outright.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
2. I can relate to this so much.
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 07:06 PM
Sep 2018

I saw so many Kavanaugh's and Judge's in my life. They made me sick and I hated the way they treated people. Unfortunately society is arranged so the majority of those cretins are handed the best jobs and educational opportunities. None of their good fortune is earned or deserved.None on merit,strictly on connections and cronyism.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
4. I knew guys like that
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 07:26 PM
Sep 2018

And they probably don't really think what they did was sexual assault--it was just horse-play, just goofing around. As long as no one got (visibly) hurt, so harm, no foul. Forgotten when sober, just a "we were so crazy back then" memory, if that.
Never mind the actual damage they did.

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
5. I went to a few frat parties in college
Fri Sep 28, 2018, 07:30 PM
Sep 2018

And the guys were always trying to ply girls into drinking spiked drinks. Everclear punch was prevalent offering. After helping a fellow coed escape from a bad situation with 3 guys trying to paw her and get her to go upstairs I never went to one of them again.

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