I work in a male-dominated occupation and was surprised today.

[spooky3]

It's a pretty conservative work environment, generally.

Today I had a day full of meetings (ugh). But multiple men (several of them from other countries) were talking to each other and/or to me about the hearings yesterday. And every single one of them expressed that they believed Dr. Ford and found Kavanaugh and the Republican committee members disgusting, disgraceful, horrifying, etc.--before I said a word.

Every.
Single.
One.

[Ohiogal]

1. Thank you, that is so encouraging!

[spooky3]

3. You're welcome. nt

[Hortensis]

36. Yes, welcome reassurance here also.

We know now that millions across the nation, at home, 30K feet in the air, were googling "devil's triangle." (How on earth could he smirk and relax back as he told the senator it was like quarters -- did he forget others were watching?)

In any case, it really sounds like no one in your group, willfully or otherwise, misunderstood in the least his refusal to ask the FBI to clear his name. And even beyond all the various obvious perjuries, that's the big thing.

[lkinwi]

2. Wow! 👏👏👏

[FromTheAshes]

6. +1000

[kurtcagle]

4. Agreed

I work for a large aerospace company, which tends to be fairly conservative. I overheard two older engineers, one telling the other how awful he thought Kavanaugh was, and how disgraceful this whole sham was. The GOP did themselves no favors this week.

[spooky3]

9. thank you! nt

[pnwmom]

16. My husband also used to work for one, and he had the same reaction

as the engineers you overheard.

He recognized a loud-mouthed bully when he saw one.

[calimary]

24. My husband said that in terms of "judicial temperament," Dr. Ford behaved like the one

who should be headed for a Supreme Court seat, not this wild-ass out-of-control snarling red-faced human explosion.

[pnwmom]

27. Yes! And if they'd appoint me -- or you -- to the SCOTUS seat,

I'm sure you'd be as willing as I would to subject yourself to a full FBI examination.

[spooky3]

55. Agreed. And here's another thing about the FBI investigation...

Kav ought to welcome it not only for the reasons many have cited, but surely he knows that it is going to be hard for the FBI to confirm a lot of facts that would suggest that he did everything he has been accused of, because of the passage of time, the fact that some people will not talk with the FBI, etc. And given that they have been limited as to time and scope, it is even less likely that all relevant facts will be confirmed.

So the odds are on his side even if he behaved very badly.

That tells me he knows damn well that he has done MANY bad things, not only those he has been accused of, but others--and that he has lied to the Senate committee.

[Anon-C]

5. Best news one could hear!

[BigmanPigman]

7. I hope they all vote and continue to speak up!

RESIST!

[SWBTATTReg]

8. Wonderful news. What I have been hearing on the streets that this whole process was a ...

sham, and that everyone can see through it, and that those testifying against Kav were very credible, and Kav definitely wasn't, especially after he yelled at one senator and then cried.

What in the hell? was one remark I heard. The other remarks weren't remarks but simply a shaking of the heads...

[spooky3]

10. thanks to all! nt

[ProudProgressiveNow]

11. KR NT

[cannabis_flower]

12. He acted..

like a very young child who's been caught doing something bad and won't admit it.

[Shrike47]

19. He didn't really do anything from his point of view; he wanted something and grabbed for it.

That the something he wanted has feelings, too, did not enter in to his thinking.

[NastyRiffraff]

58. "something he wanted"

That says it all. Men who do this literally don't see women as humans with feelings, or their feelings are irrelevant and unimportant compared to their wants.

Brett Kavanaugh could probably pass a lie detector test, because he doesn't see what he did as wrong.

[Salviati]

13. Sounds like some fertile soil to start dropping some seeds in over the next month...

"The modern republican party sure has lost its way..."

"I guess they think acting this disgracefully will win them more votes than it loses."

"If they keep winning at the polls, what reason would they ever have to change..."

And if those find a good reception

"The only way the republican party can find its way back to its roots is to spend some time in the wilderness, out of power"

[Honeycombe8]

14. I'm so glad to hear that. This has truly been depressing....

as I grapple with the thought that most men really don't care, even if true. They don't care about women and how they have been assaulted or whatever...we don't matter. I never thought before that it could be true that men just don't care. But after the hearing, it began to dawn on me that yes, that may be true that they don't care. They know Dr. Ford is telling the truth. They just don't care.

So I'm so glad to hear that it's not true that most men don't care. I would care if he had done something to a male teenager or anyone else. So I struggled with how is it possible that they don't care about me or other women.

So thank you for that. Maybe the impression I've been getting lately is wrong.

Get thee to the Greatest Threads Page!

[calimary]

25. I woke up depressed this morning. Feeling like all is lost. I went to bed feeling that way

last night. Yesterday was such a hard, dark, grueling day. I'll never forget that remark by former prosecutor Cynthia Alksne during the first break of the morning session when the coverage switched back to the anchor studio - "Half of America is crying." I was certainly one who did.

So I was stunned to see the tide turning. Grateful as hell, but still stunned.

I'm almost afraid to breathe.

[Honeycombe8]

28. +1. nt

[pnwmom]

15. Good to hear. My husband had the same reaction. He was in the car and listened to most

of it on the radio, which is something he'd almost never do (he listens to music, not politics). But he got home in time to see some of BK's rants on the TV.

He was as sympathetic toward Dr. Ford and as repulsed by the loud-mouthed bully as I was.

[Scarsdale]

33. Kavanaugh was disgusting enough, but

then Lindsey Graham added fuel to the fire. He was a disgrace, just as childishly stubborn as Kavanaugh.

[smirkymonkey]

17. That's nice to know.

I think there are a lot of men who also resent the rich, asshole, bully frat guy as well. Women weren't their only victims. They were douche-bags to pretty much anyone who wasn't their "type". Brett Kavanaugh comes across as an extremely unlikable, privileged, arrogant little piece of shit. I have no doubt that there are many men who instinctively dislike him as well.

[Separation]

41. Absolutely!

I've been saying for ages that these assholes act like the stereotypical 80's movie douchebag. Think of Karate Kid, Better off Dead, One Crazy Summer, and Karate Kid.

It's like these movies was, art imitating life, of those out of control rich entitled assholes.

Kavanaugh showed what they grew up into the other day. When he testified, it was like watching my angry, asshole, mean dead drunk stepfather. The, boohoo that's not me excuses, and blows up if you dare challenge him.

I know all this rhetoric is all because we have been dealing with a live human survivor. I wont call Dr Ford a victim, because I dont think she is one anymore. My daughter and wife are both survivors. We owe her more than we know.

[mountain grammy]

18. So good to see this

[Bettie]

20. Meanwhile, my evangelical SIL

who is the mother of three daughters and two granddaughters as well as multiple nieces, is all in for Kavenaugh.

Her comment: Boys will be boys, no need to blame him for what he did when he was young.

I do not know how I can speak to her politely at Thanksgiving.

[mnhtnbb]

29. If that's what it was, then why doesn't he man up and apologize for the behavior?

No, he doubles down by lying about it.

She's admitting that she believes Dr. Ford with her comment. And if she believes Dr. Ford, then Kavanaugh is lying. She thinks a liar is an appropriate person to put on the Supreme Court?

And no, plenty of men--even when they were teenagers--did not sexually assault women. It's not ok. Is that what she's teaching all those girls in her family. Just lie back and enjoy it, dear. They're entitled? And I guess if one of the neighborhood boys breaks in her to her house and rapes her, that's what she's going to say? Oh, ok, dear. Here have at it. Boys will be boys.

I agree with you. Can you go somewhere else for Thanksgiving this year?

[Bettie]

42. I do have to go

because my husband's mother is reaching the point where she won't be around much longer, so I suck it up and read in the next room for most of the time. Usually, some of the nieces and nephews come and talk to me, since most of them are liberal.

[OnDoutside]

51. Hopefully you will have satisfying midterms to discuss !!!

[ArchTeryx]

37. The answer is...

...you don't. Rape-enabling Stepfords need to be openly called out on it, ESPECIALLY since she has a LOT of female children that look up to her. Ask her, point blank, in front of witnesses, if one of her daughter or granddaughters was raped, if she'd be so content to say 'boys will be boys' and let it go at that?

The answer would be most illuminating. She might not change - evangelicals have an infinite tolerance for hypocracy and lies - but the witnesses might get an eye and earful that she's a monster that doesn't deserve to have contact with children of ANY age. Especially female children.

Call them out. Force them to fly their freak flag proudly.

[Bettie]

43. My husband will likely have a word with her

since she is his sister...he's "discussed" this with his sisters more than once and it never takes.

But, it is fun to watch as their baby brother gets in their faces. I try to keep quiet because they are a weird, clannish group. I'm the only spouse who isn't from their tiny Wisconsin town and who they haven't known since childhood. After 30+ years, I am still not accepted as part of the family.

[idcdu]

46. Put her in the kiddie table

And pick a kid thats more mature and wiser.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

47. Ask her how she would feel her daughter was "passed around" at a dorm.

[Bettie]

48. She would blame her

in her mind, if a girl is assaulted or raped, she did something to cause it.

[Texin]

49. Her attitude is typical of evangelicals. They believe women should be *subject* to men.

In other words, women and girls are to be subservient to males and compliant and obedient.

[greymattermom]

52. My grandson, age 13

catches toads in the back yard and brings them in the house. That's a boys will be boys thing. Attempted rape? Not so much. The other more recent allegations are just as bad if not worse.

[IluvPitties]

21. Most men are not into abusing women.

[Demovictory9]

22. k&r

[grantcart]

23. Same with people we met at Target

[LAS14]

26. K & R

[zentrum]

30. Thanks for that.

Really needed to hear this today.

[MaryMagdaline]

31. I have to think there are a lot of men who've been passed over by one or more of these entitled frat

Boys or grew up around these bullies, who just took what they wanted.

[Awsi Dooger]

32. Same thing at a college football game Thursday night

I sit next to lots of guys at Canes football games and they are conservative. One of them always implores the crowd to stand for the national anthem and says he is boycotting the NFL this year due to kneeling.

I didn't expect to say much about the senate hearing until I heard one couple saying they believed "the woman this morning."

That freed me up. I told them about Kavanaugh at the end of the day saying he didn't watch her testimony prior to his. All three of us agreed that an innocent person would make sure to watch every second, to know what the heck she was claiming.

[mnmoderatedem]

34. that's because the vast majority of males are nothing like Brett Kavanaugh

this reminds me a lot of the Access Hollywood tape, when the trump campaign tried to tell everyone this was just "locker room talk". Recall at the time lots of men spoke out in protest of that statement, many of them professional athletes and such. I'm male, and have been in more than my share of locker rooms over the years. Some crude talk sometimes? Yes. But nothing like the Access Hollywood tape. In fact if anyone were to say anything like trump said, there would be recoil from the rest of the men in the locker room, and a get the fuck away from me reaction.

This "boys will be boys" type defense, which Hatch promoted DURING THE SENATE HEARING (this happened in HIGH SCHOOL, he said), is the Access Hollywood locker room talk defense sequel.

[DFW]

35. Finding Kavanaugh less than credible requires no enlightenment

Adequate audio and visual abilities and an IQ in two digits should be sufficient.

[Wounded Bear]

38. Finally sinking in how depraved the Repub Party is...

hopefully, it turns into votes.

[blueseas]

39. Thank you for sharing this

It means there are still decent people in this world.

[Paladin]

40. Lots of us guys were raised right.

I know it doesn't seem like it in the current environment, but I believe it to be true. I've made my share of mistakes, but the sexual abuse of women is damned sure not one of them. That's not bragging, that's just a fact. Kavanaugh turns my stomach, for any number of reasons. And Dr. Ford is the most credible witness I've seen, since Anita Hill.

[whathehell]

45. Yes, that's decidely true.

It was true of my father, my husband.all of my male friends, and past boyfriends.

[roamer65]

54. When she talked about neurotransmitters, I knew she was 100 percent factual.

She has studied why those memories have stuck in her brain. I have no doubt it happened exactly as she described.

I know because molestation memories are still as vivid for me.

[whathehell]

44. Very encouraging!

Thanks!

[kstewart33]

50. Wonderful news. Thanks! Nt

[roamer65]

53. Men know how some of us can be horrible.

The majority of us are decent good folk, but there are some very definite bad apples in the bunch.

[Scurrilous]

56. K&R

[Initech]

57. If this doesn't flip some votes I don't know what will!