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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,191 posts)
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 05:07 PM Oct 2018

Ricin detected in mail sent to Pentagon

Two pieces of mail delivered to the Pentagon mail facility on Monday have initially tested positive for ricin, according to a US defense official.

The two suspicious envelopes were addressed to Secretary of Defense James Mattis and to Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral John Richardson, the official told CNN.

The mail facility is in a separate building on the grounds of the Pentagon and the piece of mail which tested positive never entered the Pentagon building.

All US Postal Service mail received at the Pentagon mail screening facility on Monday is currently under quarantine and poses no threat to Pentagon personnel, according to Pentagon spokesperson Col. Rob Manning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ricin-detected-in-mail-sent-to-pentagon/ar-BBNQ1xf

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Ricin detected in mail sent to Pentagon (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 OP
Hmmm. "Poisoning for Dummies How much skill does it take Hortensis Oct 2018 #1
The rapid detection tests for ricin and other toxins are not 100 percent reliable. mn9driver Oct 2018 #2

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
1. Hmmm. "Poisoning for Dummies How much skill does it take
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 05:17 PM
Oct 2018
to brew up a batch of ricin?"

Not hard at all. There’s no shortage of ricin recipes online, and you don’t have to dig too deeply to find them—a quick Google search will pull up dubious-looking forums with detailed (and mostly accurate) instructions on how to make ricin at home. Ricin is found naturally in castor beans, and the toxin can be extracted from the pulp left over after the oil has been squeezed out. The general procedure involves first removing or softening the outer coat of the castor beans (some recipes suggest soaking them) and cooking the beans. Next, the beans are mashed and filtered. Then solvents are added to extract the ricin from the solution ... and congratulations, you’ve just made ricin.

The entire process can be done in your kitchen, with everyday materials such as coffee filters, mason jars, and solvents found at hardware stores. Castor bean seeds are widely available online. The plant grows wild all over the United States and is also grown in gardens. Not only is it easy to obtain a recipe for ricin, it’s also easy to obtain all the needed ingredients and materials to make it.

Ricin comes in several forms, including powder, mist, and pellets. It can also be dissolved in water. And the tiniest amount is all that’s needed to be fatal. Michael P. Allswede, a toxicologist at the Center for Biosecurity at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, told the New York Times in 2006 that a “speck of pure ricin the size of a grain of salt is enough to kill if it is injected or swallowed.” Exposure is often fatal and occurs within days. Most notably, in 1978, Bulgarian journalist Georgi Markov died from ricin poisoning after another man (possibly a KGB agent) used an umbrella to shoot the toxin into his leg. The first symptoms of ingested ricin include nausea and vomiting, which rapidly progress to kidney and liver failure. The first symptoms of inhaling ricin include difficulty breathing, chest tightness, and a cough, and rapidly progress to respiratory failure. There is no antidote for ricin.

Pure ricin is highly dangerous. But home-brewed ricin might not be as pure—and therefore less harmful. Someone without technical training could make ricin at home, but it’s much harder to effectively purify and concentrate ricin without more knowledge. To purify ricin, there are “special, technically difficult processes that might not be readily available,” notes the CDC. Bottom line: High-quality ricin is hard to make, and it’s difficult to produce a powder form that is easy to inhale. That doesn’t stop people from trying. In 2008, Roger von Bergendorff was found comatose in his Las Vegas hotel room after he had accidentally inhaled ricin he had produced. After he woke up from his coma, he was sentenced to three years in prison.

So guess we shouldn't automatically assume a test of defenses by a foreign state or terrorist organization. How "high quality" is this stuff? In California we had a big castor bean clump decorating a corner.

mn9driver

(4,428 posts)
2. The rapid detection tests for ricin and other toxins are not 100 percent reliable.
Tue Oct 2, 2018, 05:55 PM
Oct 2018

They are followed up with other, more precise testing. A false positive isn’t out of the question. If ricin is confirmed, it will be interesting to see where the investigation goes.

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