We Have Pubic Hair for a Reason

[Scuba]

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/the_war_on_pubic_hair_salpart/


We Have Pubic Hair for a Reason
The new shaving craze leaves us vulnerable to all manner of physical ailments

I must have missed the declaration of war on pubic hair. It must have happened sometime in the last decade because the amount of time, energy, money and emotion both genders spend on abolishing every hair from their genitals is astronomical. The genital hair removal industry, including medical professionals who advertise their specialty services to those seeking the “clean and bare” look, is exponentially growing.

...

Pubic hair removal naturally irritates and inflames the hair follicles left behind, leaving microscopic open wounds. Rather than suffering a comparison to a bristle brush, frequent hair removal is necessary to stay smooth, causing regular irritation of the shaved or waxed area. When that irritation is combined with the warm moist environment of the genitals, it becomes a happy culture media for some of the nastiest of bacterial pathogens, namely group A streptococcus, staphylococcus aureus and its recently mutated cousin methicillin resistant staph aureus (MRSA). There is an increase in staph boils and abscesses, necessitating incisions to drain the infection, resulting in scarring that can be significant. It is not at all unusual to find pustules and other hair follicle inflammation papules on shaved genitals.

Additionally, I’ve seen cellulitis (soft tissue bacterial infection without abscess) of the scrotum, labia and penis from spread of bacteria from shaving or from sexual contact with strep or staph bacteria from a partner’s skin.

Some clinicians are finding that freshly shaved pubic areas and genitals are also more vulnerable to herpes infections due to the microscopic wounds being exposed to the virus carried by mouth or genitals. It follows that there may be vulnerability to spread of other STIs, as well.

Never did "get" this fad.

[darkangel218]

1. Damn

What did I wake up to!

[DocMac]

4. I know. lol

I read it as 'public hair' at first. It's early.

[hay rick]

469. "Public hair"- what better to cover the private parts?

[Mojorabbit]

506. snort :) nt

[Scuba]

2. DU is nothing if not filled with diverse information.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Thank you for the informative post, Scuba

[enlightenment]

158. Very interesting.

A bit surprising to find in GD, but frankly it's a welcome change of topic.

[appal_jack]

381. DU is filled with epic amazingness

Having just read through this entire thread, I am thrilled to be part of the latest in the history of epic DU flame fests.

Scuba, I salute you.

And for the record, I've never been with a woman who shaved her pubes, and I never want to (which is good, 'cuz I'm monogamous and married now, to a wonderful woman who does not shave her pubes).

For the record, I think hair is cool. I'd be fine if my wife quit shaving her pits and legs, but she says she likes the way they look shaved, so I'm cool with that too. Plus she is not willing to wait-out the itchiness that attacks in-between quitting shaving and the hair growing out, so oh well.

I myself have been bearded since I was fifteen or so, because dragging a razor across my skin every day or so is a DRAG. Taking that same razor to my balls would be a NIGHTMARE, and possibly a very bloody one. One or two girls/women in my teenage years and twenties told me that they'd find me more attractive if I shaved. I told them that I was happier with my fuzzy face, thank you very much. And plenty of women like beards just fine, my wife included.

-app

[MrSlayer]

3. I'm a fan of the bald beaver.

I do not want my woman hairy. I find it repellent. Others feel differently. It's a personal preference. Luckily, she agrees.

I also don't think this is new.

[zazen]

44. it's quite new

Look at popular films or even Playboys and it's abundantly clear that a triangle of pubic hair was considered attractive 30 years ago and probably into the early 90s. There are erotic writings from the early 1900s about the small dark hairs leading toward a woman's private parts. . . and of course we're just talking North American Anglo (not French) culture here as well.

Glad it works out between you all.

I'd never date a man who had that expectation of me, and I'm hardly a bohemian.

[pansypoo53219]

199. aw contrayr. look at classical paintings. there ain't no bush on any female that you see

1600-1800's. not sure how they kept it up, tho i am sure the poor didn't. i guess if you had that much time, you could have ladies in waiting plucking hairs one by one.

luckily it would make no sense for me. i have the folicles from hell. plucking last a month? lucky if it's a week.

[MineralMan]

212. It's rather rare, to be sure.

Wikipedia has an interesting article on the subject of pubic hair, including its depiction in art:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pubic_hair

WARNING: Not Safe For Work. Wikipedia does not shrink from photographic information on this subject.

[HiPointDem]

264. that there are no pubes on paintings doesn't mean the populace removed them. can be just a

convention, e.g.:

According to John Ruskin's biographer Mary Lutyens, the notable author, artist, and art critic was apparently accustomed only to the hairless nudes portrayed unrealistically in art, never having seen a naked woman before his wedding night. He was allegedly so shocked by his discovery of his wife Effie's pubic hair that he rejected her, and the marriage was later legally annulled.

Francisco Goya's The Nude Maja has been considered as probably the first European painting to show woman's pubic hair, though others had hinted at it. The painting was considered quite pornographic at the time.

In Japanese drawings, such as Hentai, pubic hair is often omitted, since for a long time the display of pubic hair was not legal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pubic_hair

[JVS]

295. Goya's painting barely has pubic hair. Compare to Otto Dix's For Francisco Goya (Warning: Art)

[NYC_SKP]

466. JVS, why does the hairy woman also have claws and a disturbingly skull-like smile?

I don't know that you know, but why do you suppose?

It's kind of disturbing and, I think, and expression of some sort of hatred of the female body in it's natural form.

[riderinthestorm]

480. Bingo. One is old (and is painted as a hag)

Typical age-ist bullshit. Same as it ever was. Thanks JVS for putting up caricatures to depict femininity

[HiPointDem]

487. i'm not sure how that relates to what i said, which is that the portrayal of nudity in art doesn't

necessarily *directly* reflect grooming practices.

[jmowreader]

494. Is it possible...

that classical paintings don't depict pubic hair because painting pictures of pubic hair would be a royal pain in the ass?

[MrSlayer]

356. Well I would never force anyone or demand it.

I would simply ask, because that's what I like. I don't shave myself but I have done it for girls I was with when they asked. Some people like to please their lovers.

[Polybius]

629. It's not new

Shaving has been a trend starting in the late 80's. In suspect it's more common in trend, big cities.

[NYC_SKP]

406. OFFS, Jury, exactly WHERE did this reply break the rules??? If you can't say "P**SY" in this post..

In context, after all.

Should it come up again, we shall use the term "Hairy Vagina".

Like this, "I want a hairy vagina myself, preferably one thats never been shaved."

There. So much more common , more sensitive , and clinical. Yay.

[Bucky]

366. Marco Polo in his journals commented on some cultures in India where courtesans went bald.

also...

... *giggle*

[MrSlayer]

389. Haha.

Love the pic.

[customerserviceguy]

419. How about this one?

[steve2470]

446. funny pic ! nt

[joshcryer]

367. I like a nice clean trim. Not opposed to bald...

...but if it's not well kept shrubbery it's a total turnoff. I keep my lawn mowed, it can't hurt to keep yours mowed, as well.

(Nothing like going to a public restroom and seeing patches of pubic hairs on either the urinal or toilet seat. Just disgusting.)

[slutticus]

584. Same here :D

personal preference. If your partner is down with it too, then hey why not?

[darkangel218]

5. I dont care what they say

Pubic hair is disgusting.

[Codeine]

10. Exactly.

Odor-absorbing and crud-collecting grossness.

[Scout]

50. don't you bother to wash? n/t

[MineralMan]

69. Regular bathing is good.

It solves those problems, among others.

[MadrasT]

76. Huh.

Soap and water has always worked fine for me.

[Romulox]

86. You remind me of a poem, "The Lady's Dressing Room", by Jon Swift.

If you think a few curly hairs are gross, you should see what else goes on in the lady's dressing room!

As Mutton Cutlets, Prime of Meat,
Which tho' with Art you salt and beat, [100]
As Laws of Cookery require,
And toast them at the clearest Fire;
If from adown the hopful Chops
The Fat upon a Cinder drops,
To stinking Smoak it turns the Flame [105]
Pois'ning the Flesh from whence it came;
And up exhales a greasy Stench,
For which you curse the careless Wench;
So Things, which must not be exprest,
When plumpt into the reeking Chest; [110]
Send up an excremental Smell
To taint the Parts from whence they fell.
The Pettycoats and Gown perfume,
Which waft a Stink round every Room.

Thus finishing his grand Survey, [115]
Disgusted Strephon stole away
Repeating in his amorous Fits,
Oh! Celia, Celia, Celia shits!

[zazen]

45. you advocate men shave it all too? seriously?

[Major Nikon]

92. I shave my balls

[NYC_SKP]

130. I have a small army of people to shave my balls.

They're skillful and adept.

[Jamastiene]

172. I will never look at the Keebler Elves the same way again.

[NYC_SKP]

251. Elves with razors!

How did you know?!

[Warren DeMontague]

309. No way in hell are those little psychopaths gettin' near my junk.

Sorry, ladies.

[Jack Sprat]

418. That's not an army of people

That's crabs.

[NYC_SKP]

424. Shocking!

Crabophobe!

They're people to ME!

Hundreds, really thousands of beige specks with little legs on ME!

They aren't on YOU... they don't love YOU!

Etc, etc...

[Warren DeMontague]

493. You've just been waiting for another chance to do that, haven't you?

[Major Nikon]

495. I only have one set so I have to take care of them

When not in use I keep them in a Crown Royal bag.

[Warren DeMontague]

496. Oh, you must think you're god's gift

to ballroom notoriety

[Fawke Em]

93. Why not?

[Warren DeMontague]

310. I advocate people worry about their own crotches

And not the crotches of others.

[obamanut2012]

390. +1

What a bizarre thing for someone to dislike in a stranger.

[Codeine]

352. I shave.

Balls and all.

[alp227]

557. some men already shave all their head hair

what the hell is the difference? I can't see the science in this salon article honestly.

[Romulox]

81. I want anyone reading this to know: we don't all agree on this point!

I hate that a few louder voices make it seem like this is the only "normal".

[shanti]

188. so....

the human body is disgusting to you in its natural form?

[SilveryMoon]

278. Totally agree.

Nicely trimmed pubic hair is fine, but unruly pubic hair just disgusts me. And I feel the same way about upper body and leg hair.

[treestar]

339. You're lucky to have been born now instead of earlier

How can it be disgusting when people accepted it for centuries before this? People haven't failed to procreate during those days.

You're letting the hair removal industry control you.

[Codeine]

370. Hair removal industry?

We use the same razors I buy for my ruggedly handsome face.

[treestar]

570. Think like a business man though

They've convinced us to do underarms, faces for men and legs and underarms for women. How to make more money? Find some other hair. Each person who thinks it will add up to millions. Convince men to do their chests. Convince everybody to do pubic - at least for the first time, it's equal between men and women.

Convince men to do their legs. Swimmers already did it.

Then convince bald men - they do look better just shaving it all off. I have seen in showers many hair products - Bald Guys or something like that. Bald guys can buy as many head products as women now.

Someday people will spend so much time grooming there will be no time to go anywhere.

[obamanut2012]

391. Gillette is a hair removal industry?

[Confusious]

415. People used to have sex with hair

And smelling like shit.

Your letting big hygiene control you.

[treestar]

571. They seem to have managed

for centuries.

It's a good thing they were not so squeamish, or we would not be here.

[surrealAmerican]

7. the headline's misleading.

The issue here is that hair removal causes problems, not that hair is useful.

[Scuba]

8. Noted. I thought about changing the headline, but chose not to do so.

[pnwmom]

79. Not true. The article says that it has a useful purpose.

"Pubic hair does have a purpose, providing cushion against friction that can cause skin abrasion and injury and offering protection from bacteria and other unwanted pathogens. It is the visible result of long-awaited adolescent hormones, certainly nothing to be ashamed of or embarrassed about"

[Codeine]

9. I haven't been with a woman who didn't shave in at least fifteen years.

None of those ladies had issues with MRSA, dripping pustules, or the herp. Sounds like a bit of hysteria.

I'm with Mr. Slayer above -- pubic hair is nasty in my opinion, and luckily my partners agree.

[Cali_Democrat]

12. Do you shave down there also?

[Codeine]

13. Yes.

Pubic hair is nasty in a non-gender-specific fashion.

[Confusious]

20. Just out of curiosity

Are you relatively hairless? If I did that I would have a big bald patch in the middle of hair.

Total frontal (Non on the back) shaving all the time doesn't really appeal to me.

[Codeine]

355. A good point.

I don't don't have the all-over thing some guys have. Localized areas of growth, thankfully.

[Confusious]

388. Eh, damn

I was hoping for some sort of revelation. Oh, well.

[HangOnKids]

231. With That Sig Line

You criticize pubic hair? Really?

[treestar]

328. What about underarms?

Should men shave it too?

Seems not only nasty, but promotes BO.

[Codeine]

357. I shave my pits.

It's hot here in the desert -- shaved pits are cooler.

[obamanut2012]

392. I know lots of men who do

I have no idea why a man wouldn't want to, especially in the summer.

[treestar]

572. I used to feel sorry for them in the summer

Where I worked, suits were the wear, and at least I didn't have to wear a tie. I thought it must be so hot and uncomfortable.

[seanpencil]

202. "Pubic hair is nasty"

That's why we have it.

It's a signal of sexual maturity; protection of delicate areas and sensual enhancer of pheromones ... it's about doin the nasty.


Disconnection, self-hatred of the post-pubescent body, now THAT's nasty.

[RKP5637]

204. Yep!!! n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

277. Yes!

I've always thought of it as an attempt to infantilize adult women (and men). We are grown-ups. We have pubic hair.

[treestar]

335. I can't believe someone thinks it "nasty!"

Geez! I think it sounds "nasty" to be shaving it. And just another area to shave! Oh, yay!

[me b zola]

373. I find it to be an obstruction to stimulation

Im a 49 year old woman who is not interested in looking in any manner like a child, although I totally understand the sentiment behind your post and have respect for this argument.

But I am much...MUCH... more sensitive/stimulated without the wool patch.


Its still a secret garden

[obamanut2012]

393. +1

[tandot]

456. Thanks!

[4th law of robotics]

542. All sexual attraction should conform to what is believed to be natural

Like only people who don't shave (men and women, anywhere) and only between a man and a woman.

If you believe otherwise your views aren't just a variant and your own personal preferences they are downright nasty and you should be ashamed.

Sex is only between one (hairy) man and one (hairy) woman!

/sarcasm if it wasn't obvious. I'm surprised to find people being told their personal sexual opinions are wrong on here.

[JackRiddler]

257. I'm sorry that you've sustained this cultural damage...

So that you now consider your own healthy organs disgusting, as the consequence of an extremely recent marketing trend by the cosmetics industry. I hope you will one day be healed of this self-disgust.

[hifiguy]

454. Recent marketing trend?

The ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans were removing body hair thousands of years ago. See post 434 by Xithras for the whole historical record.

[JackRiddler]

482. So what? The Aztecs were supposedly doing human sacrifice.

You can find historical examples of everything.

What I said stands:

The attack on pubic hair in the United States is a recent marketing trend - almost no one was doing this in the US until about 20 years ago. It's part of a larger cultural shift against the natural human body. This specific practice came out of pornography, however, and has been taken up by the cosmetic industry.

Since people are feeling free to display their body issues on this thread and be obnoxious about it (calling everyone who's still natural disgusting), allow me to say, I find the shaved look pretty gross. A full pubic bush is beautiful. So are natural armpit hairs. And leg hairs.

It is no coincidence that the pressure is overwhelmingly on women to do these things, and that sadly many males have been conditioned to react publicly with their disgust at the natural look in women. Men don't feel a fraction of the same pressures.

[Scootaloo]

505. Are we comparing depillation to human sacrifice, now?

Is this it? Has pubic hair replaced olive garden in DU's contest over what Shit That Does Not Matter™ matters the most?

Jesus. Some people will rally a march over anything.

[JackRiddler]

518. No, I'm not, and you are reading without comprehension.

Which isn't surprising, given other obnoxious misinterpretations and strawmen you've advanced in other posts. The point being, you can show a great many practices have a long history in a great many cultures. That doesn't make any of them good or bad in itself.

And it doesn't change the fact that the hatred of pubic hair in this country is a recent development, completely unrelated to whatever some ancient cultures may have done at some periods in time.

And don't dish out trash talk about priorities. You're also in this thread and clearly representing a view on the matter.

Finally, I very much doubt there is a "we" between you and I. Live long and prosper, hopefully far away from me henceforth.

[Scootaloo]

536. But out of all the cultural practices, you chose human sacrifice

I would say human sacrifice very definitely falls under "bad," wouldn't you?

Ah well. You're right, I doubt there's much similarity between you and I - I don't compare shaving to stabbing a dude on an altar

[JackRiddler]

555. Well, in that we are actually the same.

Since I do not equate shaving to stabbing. ("Compare" is a meaningless term. You can compare different extremes to each other and discover that they're different.)

The difference is clearly in the willingness to comprehend what one reads. You don't show any in regard to my posts, so if you would stop stalking me, it would be much appreciated. You are of course free to continue playing the barnacle.

[hifiguy]

516. Women have been shaving their underarms and legs

for decades in this country. Since long before the "porn" industry ever existed, in fact. And your willingness to ignore historical cycles in grooming trends is rather disingenuous. As I have already noted, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans were removing body hair millennia ago. Muslims do it today.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your conclusions.

[JackRiddler]

519. I certainly didn't say otherwise.

After talking about the recent hatred of pubic hair, I expressed my own opinion that I also don't like the proscriptions on other hair of the female body. Your misinterpretation of what I wrote looks lazy and malicious.

I'm not ignoring "historical cycles in grooming trends." You're the one who refuses to understand that "cycles" (a bad choice of word for changes over time that are not necessarily periodic) have causes. I'm describing how this particular trend came about, in the late 20th century. It had nothing to do with the entire irrelevant practices among ancient Egyptians and Greeks (i.e., some Egyptians and Greeks at some times, in some places). No one revived the "Ancient Egyptian Crotch Look."

This trend is recent and American, independent of history, and very much reinforced by a current porn industry aesthetic that, as this thread shows, many people have internalized to the point of expressing disgust at everyone who conforms to nature in this matter rather than the aesthetic.

[hifiguy]

520. Whatever, dude.

I am more inclined to think it has something to do with Brazilian swimsuites, the Brazilian sisters who set up their salon in NYC 20 years ago and a process that went "celebrity client tells celebrity friends about the Brazilian sisters' salon, one of whom eventually talks about the wonders of waxing to a fashion magazine and then it gets repeated in another fashion magazine and so on and so on and so on" that then filters down the social media food chain to the teeming millions. But that doesn't jibe with the narrative upon which you have already decided.

[JackRiddler]

523. No, that makes sense too.

I'm not the one who is in denial about Brazilian bikini waxing, it definitely has something to do with it.

I think you're the one who is in denial about the concommitant triumph of a porn aesthetic. Why do guys think there's anything sexy about this sad practice? Why didn't they 30 years ago?

[hifiguy]

529. Haven't the slightest clue.

30 years ago professional women were wearing ludicrous power suits with shoulder pads that made them look like well-coiffed NFL players. I have never spent any time trying to figure out why something becomes "fashionable." My only conclusion is that women's fashion magazines have a lot to do with it.

30 years ago guys were wearing mullets, Members Only jackets and Zubaz, too. Things come and go for no particular reason in this realm of fashion fads. When I was high-school aged and a little older two girls out of three had "Cher hair" (ironed flat and straight, parted in the middle) or a feathered pseudo-Farrah Fawcett 'do. What's cool today is hopelessly out tomorrow.

[4th law of robotics]

543. What group of people haven't gone to some lengths to make themselves stand out

and appear more enticing to the opposite sex.

Could you find one group that has never practiced unnatural body modifications for the sake of beauty?

[JackRiddler]

554. I think you are making a trivial and irrelevant point.

Sure, people try out many different cosmetic things to make themselves enticing. Obvious enough. That doesn't speak to any given practice, however. It doesn't explain the appeal of this particular practice. Nor does it excuse those (on this thread) who practically view it as mandatory, and who want to tell everyone how disgusting the natural state is. Those of us who do not find this practice appealing have absolutely nothing to defend, and we should not have to be considered deviant in our tastes, or receive tedious lectures about what (some) Egyptian (aristocrats) may have done 4,000 years ago.

[4th law of robotics]

569. Your point that unnatural body modifications are a new advertising campaign

cannot be supported by the facts.

What admen convinced various peoples to put plates through their lips, flatten their heads, bind their feet, amputate foreskins/clitorises and so on?

Nor does it excuse those (on this thread) who practically view it as mandatory,

If they try to enforce it on others that's a problem. If they say they aren't attracted to someone without it that is not. Personal sexual attraction is just that: personal. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone why get involved?

and who want to tell everyone how disgusting the natural state is.

You ever combed your hair? Taken a bath? Used anything to make yourself smell better? Could you find me a brush tree, a deodorant bush, or a soap vine?

Those of us who do not find this practice appealing have absolutely nothing to defend, and we should not have to be considered deviant in our tastes

You're demanding the right to have your tastes respected while denigrating the tastes of others. Perhaps if you practiced more of a live and let live approach to this you'd face less of a backlash.

[JackRiddler]

578. Sorry, you're generalizing and putting words in my mouth.

My thesis has been that the recent United States trend to uphold the shaved pubus as an aesthetic and social quasi-necessity is the product of a cultural conditioning campaign that formed spontaneously within said nation and within the last couple of decades, and with its essential roots in porn and the cosmetic industry.

My other point has been that the history of "plates through their lips, flatten their heads, bind their feet, amputate foreskins/clitorises and so on" does not change that, and has next to no relevance as a causative factor. Therefore I did not make the statement about "unnatural body modifications" that you falsely attribute to me in your possibly malicious headline.

In other words, who cares what some Egyptian or Greek aristocrats purportedly did during limited periods of these civilizations' long histories? That was also my point in raising purported Aztec human sacrifice - who cares? We're not talking about that, but about how bush-shaving recently turned into a kind of cosmetic commandment among many American youth.

Why are Americans suddenly supposed to hate the female bush, to the point where some aggressively announce in public forums that this is a necessary aesthetic? That would raise an important question, rather than a settled point: What relation may this have to the general, still prevalent misogyny of this society?

Quote: "Perhaps if you practiced more of a live and let live approach to this you'd face less of a backlash."

In context, I am the backlash. Go back and read the posts in this thread in order, especially starting with the life-hating pronouncements about how disgusting and unhealthy and gross and creepy pubic hair is. These people have serious issues.

.

PS- In adulthood I've almost never combed my hair, since it just stands the way it does regardless of what I might do. I think we should have a thread about whether that's unreasonably gross, and should be treated in some fashion lest innocents are disgusted.

.

[4th law of robotics]

579. You make it sound unique to America

it isn't. As clearly illustrated by the fact that EVERY SINGLE OTHER HUMAN CIVILIZATION DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

How is it a unique phenomenon when everyone does it? Americans like to eat. Did we invent that? We also like to argue. Did we discover that?


You have stated some view it as mandatory. Could you find the quotes to support that claim?

In context, I am the backlash. Go back and read the posts in this thread in order, especially starting with the life-hating pronouncements about how disgusting and unhealthy and gross and creepy pubic hair is. These people have serious issues.

Not really. You're lambasting people for supporting the norm (which is harmless, we aren't talking foot binding) and claiming they are unnatural, unhealthy and the like.

[JackRiddler]

589. Make what?

Are we talking about the trend to defoliating pubii, or are you once again generalizing to all possible things one could do to one's own body, including taking a shower?

Pubic shaving is not the norm. Do you have any numbers to support that? Surely one-third to two-thirds of everyone does not engage in this practice, so it would be a highly disputable norm.

And even if it were the norm, "supporting" this norm (whatever that means) and calling people who refuse it disgusting and dirty and repulsive on a public forum are two different things. That is what happened here.

[4th law of robotics]

593. Who called you "disgusting and dirty and repulsive"

for preferring the unshaven look?

You did state that people who disagree have "serious issues". And also claimed that the shaved look was "gross".

[Prometheus Bound]

11. This doesn't explain why shaving would irritate the pubic area more than it would the face/neck.

"Pubic hair removal naturally irritates and inflames the hair follicles left behind, leaving microscopic open wounds. "

[Codeine]

14. I'd liken it to the armpit more than the face in terms of potential irritation.

It's a covered, moister area with more skin rubbing and such. That said, how many women have pits full of swollen pus-bubbles and staph infections?

[Thor_MN]

23. There is a lot more bacteria between the navel and knees

Most people do not cover their faces. Clothing creates a dark, moist environment for bacteria to thrive. Proximity to bacteria laden orifices does not help the situation.

Any hair removal irritates and inflames, it's the environment that is the difference.

Seems to me you would have to also weigh in the advantage of reducing crabs, but what do I know...

[Jamastiene]

175. Just one more reason to hate wearing clothes.

I hate wearing clothes. What you just described, in regards to clothing and bacteria, is exactly what I was thinking as well.

[pnwmom]

82. Sexually transmitted diseases are more of an issue in the pubic area.

And, aside from the lip area, people are less likely to be grinding their faces and necks together.

[jberryhill]

255. ...and infections are more readily discernible on shaved skin

The thing here about herpes etc. is that genital sores may be less visible when hidden under pubic hair.

While, granted, the issues about abrasion and so forth are well stated, what is left out is that YOU CAN SEE THEM when the hair is not there.

I assume that, like me, everyone else has one of these clamped to their bed:

[pnwmom]

259. In women, the actual genitals aren't hairy. n/t

[jberryhill]

269. Thank you for that important update

However, whether someone has some kind of regional skin infection is still more easily seen.

[steve2470]

459. ok this really cracked me up lol ! nt

[opiate69]

272. Labia Majora aren`t "actual genitals"?

Or clitoral hoods? Hell, I`ve seen women with hair on their labia minora and perineum as well...so yes, it can get pretty hairy on "actual genitals".

[tdb63]

103. ...your face and neck get fresh air to dry out...

...you dont keep your face in a pair of sweaty underwear or pants all day where bacteria breeds.

[Enrique]

110. speak for yourself

[grantcart]

163. I knew I wasn't the only one!!!!

[SoCalDem]

299. Republican panty-sniffers do

[obamanut2012]

394. What is this underwear of which you speak?

[Webster Green]

413. +1

I never could stand wearing it.

[jberryhill]

483. Must be a Mormon

[Kookaburra]

146. I don't think it irritates it more,

but because the face and neck are always exposed to air, they don't have the chance of developing infection in the irritated follicles.

[Chemisse]

433. I think that is hair removal anywhere on the body.

But the pubic hair area is the only one that is so moist and gets such infrequent airing. So it would be an area where tiny open wound would be more apt to get infected.

[tammywammy]

15. Link? n/t

[Scuba]

17. Ooops. Fixed.

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/the_war_on_pubic_hair_salpart/

[adigal]

16. Many women get infections and abscesses from just bikini shaving

Take an area that is covered 99% of the time, add nylon or rayon clothing, tiny nicks, and ou get infections. Many, many of my friends have gotten infected hair follicles or skin in this area after shaving or waxing. Just because women don't announce it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

And to be real here, why would a man want a woman to look like a 10 year old hairless girl? It is creepy to me.

[Scuba]

18. Your last point is the one that strikes a chord with me. Creepy.

[Cal Carpenter]

21. Seconded

I mean, each to their own, and more power to those who find partners on the same page as far as hairiness -or- hairlessness, but it boggles my mind that people would be grossed out that their partner's genitals actually look like those of a human adult.

I'm honestly not judging - it's none of my business, of course - and I can't believe I am even responding to this topic, but to me it is far grosser to see grown women with hairless genitals than it is to see a natural woman.

[Atman]

51. Where do draw the line?

Or, the bikini line. I mean, many woman still shave, because if they didn't there would be hair growing up to their belly buttons and down their thighs. Totally, totally gross. But it's still "pubic hair."

I don't agree that it's a matter of looking like an adult, as opposed to a "10 year girl." it's more about softness and cleanliness, IMO. I don't mind a close trimmed muffin, but a full 70's-style shag carpet is a total turn-off.

I'm more curious as to how this became a trend. It's not like we're walking around in public with no pants on. I've been to several nude beaches, and it basically true; almost no one has pubic hair anymore. Men are shaving now, too. Must be porn that got it into the mainstream.

[pnwmom]

101. But there is less cleanliness, according to the article.

Unless you don't count control of infection and germs as part of cleanliness.

Hospitals up till the 70's required women to shave before having a baby, until the research came out that this increased the chance of infection -- and then they stopped requiring or even recommending it.

[RobinA]

180. Geez

Don't these people have anything to do? The upkeep on hairlessness is bad enough when it's the legs and the pits. Add the pubic area and it must be a fulltime job. Not to mention the ungodly itch if you don't keep it up!

[obamanut2012]

398. It takes two minuets and doesn't itch at all

Why would it?

It is no different than shaving your underarms.

[JackRiddler]

522. "Hair growing up to their belly buttons and down their thighs."

It is beautiful. It is like a line out of poetry. It is certainly natural. It is not gross. You should at least respect that human beings exist who think it beautiful.

Bikini waxing has been around a long time, sadly. As for shaving the entire pubus, it became a trend in porn first, and it probably caught on because of a growing, more general attitude of disgust at the human body in the culture. Now it's reinforced by the cosmetics industry.

[lumberjack_jeff]

113. For the same reason a woman might prefer the childlike look of a clean-shaven man. n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

19. +1 to that

been there, ain't doing it again

[RKP5637]

209. I did it once when about 15 decades ago, would never do it again. n/t

[A HERETIC I AM]

475. Here's to being in their 160's...

[RandiFan1290]

22. A lot of women shave their armpits and legs.

Do they do that to look like a 10 year old hairless girl?

[Prometheus Bound]

25. And men shave their cheeks and necks.

Do they do it to look like 10-year-old hairless boys. And is it creepy for women to prefer it to a hairy face?

[adigal]

29. It is cultural expectations

Shaving that area is closely related to sexual acts, and the naturally hairless people are children. It brings up men who have fantasies of sex with young girls, in my view. Creepy.

[Prometheus Bound]

40. Well, ok, so you think a third of the US population is creepy.

Then probably 99% of the Brazilian population is creepy.

Maybe it's not us who are creepy. I mean, who would even think like that.

[adigal]

116. Yes, let me be explicit. I don't care the % of people who do this

Shaving yourself so you look like a 10 year old and the men who like that are both creepy. Something is perverse here, that men like a vagina that looks like a pre-pubescent. Sorry it displeases you. And we re talking the US, it brazil, as this is a new phenomenon here.

[joeglow3]

118. Some of us don't like the nastiness that comes with it

Picking hairs out of our teeth, for ONE.

[notadmblnd]

282. If you're getting hair in your teeth, you're not doing it right.

[phylny]

437. Oh, my.

Perfect response

[RetroLounge]

476. +100

RL

[Mojorabbit]

558. LOL nt

[joeglow3]

566. You might want to ask your partner

Licking for an extended period of time surrounded by hair tends to result in some hairs in the mouth. Given that I am far from the first person to express this, I highly doubt you are some sex god who has figured it all out.

[notadmblnd]

595. You would be wrong. I am a goddess

And after reading this post. I am even more certain that you are doing it wrong.

[joeglow3]

598. I have a very happy partner, but fortunately, she doesn't rock the puss 'fro

Thus, it is not an issue.

[JackRiddler]

556. Ye Gods! Hair, beautiful hair! Nasty!

It should be nasty. It's fun.

[HappyMe]

119. So, you're saying that ALL men

that may prefer this are perverts? Really?

What about women that prefer trimmed hair or waxed pubic area on men? Aren't they perverts too?

[adigal]

125. I think it is unnatural to like this, yes

I think it harkens to fantasies of sex with children. Yes,I do. Sorry if this offends, but tht is what I think, and I think women do it to p,ease a man who likes this. What woman wants to get all her hair painfully yanked out, deal with irritation, stubble and continually having to return. Not too many women, in my view, would say, "hey, I want to do this, so I can look 10," and put up with all of this aggravation.

[AngryAmish]

129. Proof?

[adigal]

142. Proof? It is my viewpoint? That is my proof.

I didn't say it was scientific. Just logical.

[AngryAmish]

153. In what sense is it logical?

I may have a viewpoint that the gravitational constant changes according to the weather but it does not make it so.

That said, I am glad you are acknowledging that you are just making stuff up. Which is fine. Endearing even.

[adigal]

195. What are you talking? This is an opinion subject.

My opinions that it is strange that grownmen like vaginas that look prepubescent. What part of that do disagree with? Are grown women bare of hair? No. Are little girls? Yes. So I find it disturbing.

Now I am done with you. Rude person.

[mythology]

346. Considering you're calling many of us creepy and all but pedophiles

for a preference, you probably should expect very little consideration.

[Confusious]

395. Big difference between a grown woman

And a prepubescent girl.

The creepy thing is you don't know that.

[spin]

440. I'm impressed that you know something about gravitational constants. ...

The gravitational constant of the area of the earth where I used to live was 9.7918058. At one time years ago it was 9.79183. (A more accurate measurement resulted in the change.)


Earth's gravity measured by NASA's GRACE mission, showing deviations from the theoretical gravity of an idealized smooth Earth, the so-called earth ellipsoid. Red shows the areas where gravity is stronger than the smooth, standard value, and blue reveals areas where gravity is weaker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_of_Earth#Comparative_gravities_in_various_cities_around_the_world

[HappyMe]

138. I find it disturbing that you keep saying that.

If I'm naked with my man, the last damn thing either of us is thinking is 'little kid'.

There are a lot of women that do this, and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with looking like a little kid. I prefer it to looking like I have a poodle stuffed into my bathing suit at the beach.

To me, it's a personal grooming decision. Nothing more, nothing less.

[shanti]

193. a personal grooming decision

that only just recently began. people were fine with it for eons before that

[adigal]

198. Right? This came from the porn industry, where men love young girls

The younger the better. The vehemence of the denial makes me think we are onto something here. I would never trust a man who wanted me to shave it all. I would be like, What, do you want a woman, or a 10 year old? Sick.

[hifiguy]

240. No, it started with a group of Brazilian sisters

who opened a salon in NYC and started doint Brazilian bikini waxes. Apparently this has been a common practice in Brazil, home of the teeny-weeny bikini, for a long while. The Brazilians brought it to the US. By all means, never allow facts to cloud your ideology.

Your attempt to drag ideology and half-baked psychology into this thread is, well, sorry.

[HiPointDem]

261. nah, porn. one salon in nyc doesn't change national culture w/o a lot of help. and brazilians

haven't "long" been doing it either, as 40 years ago 99% of brazilians were dirt poor peasants & not about waxing pubes.


on edit: that salon opened in 1987, "long" after this trend began.

[HappyMe]

201. You have gone too fucking far

with your '10 year old' bullshit. Implying that my sweetie is a child molester and/or pervert is really beyond the pale.

I think you should keep your creepy 10 year old fantasy projections to yourself.

[adigal]

220. You don't sound too Happy Me

I am speaking in generalities, not about you. Why so,offended if it doesn't ring a bell for you.

Psychologists agree with me, and the watching of porn has created men whose brain responded to this:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201201/wiring-sexual-tastes-hairless-genitalsoops?page=2

[HappyMe]

236. Your partner doesn't think of a ten year old when he sees it.

Isn't that what you said.
It doesn't ring a bell.

Sorry, your berating isn't going to change my grooming. Enjoy your day.

[Codeine]

369. It's as though people really believe the only thing that differs between a woman's body

and a little girl's body is the presence of a few short and curlies. Boobs? Hips? Booty? Stretch marks? I guess none of those things matter once you've shaved a handful of fuzz off.

[NYC_SKP]

252. +100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

That's one brazilian.

I agree and I LOVE these arguments.

What is natural is best, no argument.

Yet people pull all kinds of excuses out of their asses to explain it away.

"It's more comfortable and less itchy to shave" Really, how would you know if you shave.

Smells, hairs, excuses.

I love a natural woman.

On and on and on....

[Codeine]

358. I think the adult breasts and rounded, mature hips would put any thoughts of "ten-year-olds" to rest

Trying to paint people who like clean smooth skin downstairs as pedophiles is repellent.

[adigal]

123. Also, who wouldn't think of a child when they see a hairless vagina

Or penis? That is the look of children, not adults. So your calling me creepy for having the rational reaction to hairlessness is really absurd.

[opiate69]

160. I don`t. So there`s at least one.

In fact, I`d say your reaction to other people`s personal grooming habits speaks volumes

[adigal]

200. Never, ever crossed your mind?

I can understand that claim on a public forum, but really, I have a hard time believing it. It is,the natural look of a child, not an adult.

And why is it odd that I think something? I am responding to the OP. How,odd.

[opiate69]

232. nope... never ever.. I`m more of a utilitarian type of guy.....

and the tactile benefits of hairless sensitive areas can not be overstated, frankly.

[LanternWaste]

586. I imagine we often project our own thoughts onto others.

I imagine we often project our own thoughts onto others, and then find it odd when they state they do not think the same we we may.

But as you said above, that's merely a generality...

[Codeine]

360. You don't have issues, you have an entire fucking subscription.

My partner and I shave our junk; when we're intimate there is zero thought of ten-year-olds going on.

[Prometheus Bound]

435. No, I'm sorry, but your reaction to a hairless vagina is creepy.

I mean that in all seriousness.

[MadrasT]

515. You have your anatomy confused.

A vagina is an internal organ, thus does not have hair.

[LanternWaste]

585. Or shaved pits. Or shaved legs. Or shaved arms...?

Or shaved pits. Or shaved legs. Or shaved arms...

Or do you hold some hair to a higher ethical and behavioral standard than other hair?

[lumberjack_jeff]

114. Using that logic, why does attraction to a beardless man not imply a fantasy of sex with young boys?

In the case of a beardless man, the preadolescent look is advertised outside the clothing, after all.

[adigal]

117. You have always had adult men without beard

And a beard is not on your main sexual organ. I would be weirded out by a man who shaved his pubic hair, also. I don't want my man to look like a 10 year old.

[Marr]

141. It seems a very arbitrary line.

Shaving the parts you prefer smooth is normal, shaving others is a sign of perversion.

[adigal]

144. It's the sex parts that differtiate it. N/t

[Marr]

159. The women I know who say they prefer a shaved cheek say they find it more attractive.

So I don't see the difference.

[HappyMe]

161. My sister prefers clean shaven.

As do a couple of other women I know. They asked me how I can stand my sweetie's beard.
To each, his own.

[MineralMan]

207. I've had a full beard since 1969.

I haven't noticed any open aversion to it on anyone's part. I suppose some people prefer the clean-shaven look, but it takes all sorts, I suppose.

[ohheckyeah]

316. If your man's genitals looks like a 10 year old

just because he shaves his pubic hair, you have my deepest sympathies.

[cash__whatiwant]

407. lol

[reflection]

588. Ok, I just checked this thread for the first time

and this is by far the funniest post. Bravo!

[ohheckyeah]

603. Thank you...

I want to thank the academy and thank my parents for passing on the smart ass gene.

[Codeine]

361. There is a pretty clear differentiation between a man's junk and a little boy's junk,

and it has nothing to do with pubes.

[Scout]

169. they do that because they are too weak to stand up to societal pressure n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

311. Really?

Well, how lucky for them that theyve got you to tell them what they REALLY want, not to mention how "weak" they are.

[hifiguy]

530. When I was my mid to late teens two girls out of every three

wore either "Cher hair" (long,straight, parted in the middle) or some derivative of the famous Farrah Fawcett cut. The latter was, apparently, expensive to get done right and a total pain to take care of so as to get the "right" look. At least that is what my friends' girlfriends said at the time.

Exactly how is this any different?

Fads come and fads go. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and a fad is just a fad. Yeesh.

[treestar]

334. Yeah but why isn't that enough?

Enough already!

[Confusious]

24. Well, I'm sure we'd hear about if it was flesh eating

And usually guys don't get to find out what's shaved until the package is unwrapped.

So you might ask the ladies why they're doing it.

I usually just go for the hips, I don't ask whether they shave that area or not, i kinda figure, best case it's rude, worst case I get slapped.

Though I have asked women I know pretty well. 2 for 2. 0 for 12 on the girlfriends.

[Maraya1969]

30. I used to get them, ( boils) all the time when I shaved

Last edited Wed Aug 22, 2012, 05:07 PM - Edit history (1)

I had a wax once before and I bled from that damn stuff. No more of that for me. I haven't had a problem since I stopped the self mutilation. (The boils were from ingrown hair btw, not poor hygiene. I always had good hygiene)

[CrispyQ]

72. +1 to your last sentence.

Wiring Sexual Tastes to Hairless Genitals...Oops!

Are we waxing away the line between adults and children?

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201201/wiring-sexual-tastes-hairless-genitalsoops

[shanti]

196. excellent article

right to the point!

[MineralMan]

298. Very interesting article. Thanks.

It makes this topic even more interesting, I think.

[opiate69]

463. Written by a corporate lawyer, NOT a psychologist.

OOOOPS

[uponit7771]

106. Ice cream taste better without hair, don't know how else to put it... :)

[RobinA]

178. Agree

Any man who wants me to look like a child needs to go elsewhere. Fast.

[1StrongBlackMan]

191. I made this point in another forum ...

And to be real here, why would a man want a woman to look like a 10 year old hairless girl? It is creepy to me.

I see hairlessness and think child.

I look ate hairlessness and consider whether a change is need; not whether a need will change.

But to each their own.

[ieoeja]

224. Agreed. It always triggers a pre-pubescent reaction for me. Immediate turn off. nt

[SoCalDem]

301. and conversely, why would a woman want a hairless "teenybopper" boy-man

Some people are hairy..others are not.. Most young boys are eager to "grow hair", and now modern society wants to sell them, shaving creams, depilatories & waxes to remove their signature adult-maleness

[Scout]

353. i like some body hair on the men i love

all other things being equal, i wouldn't NOT love a man who didn't have a hairy chest. i've never asked a man to shave his body hair, even my first husband's hairy back.

i don't want a man who looks like a boy, i want a man who looks like a man. (yes, he can look like a man without a hairy chest.)

[obamanut2012]

397. How do shaved gemitals make an adult woman look like a preteen?

Ridiculous.

And, I don;t know one woman who has ever had an infection from shaving any part of her body.

[Codeine]

401. The whole idea is whackadoodle in the extreme.

In their mind a woman is a ten year old with pubes and I'm the strange one.

[Maine-ah]

567. "Gemitals"

is that like Vajazzling?

http://www.vajazzling.com/

[liberal N proud]

452. Not about that at all.

[ibegurpard]

26. shaved pubes is a complete turn-off to me

bit of trimming is fine

[LadyHawkAZ]

273. +1

I don't find it attractive on either gender and it wasn't comfortable (in fact it was hellishly UNcomfortable) on me.

[HughBeaumont]

27. TSV's are a pain in the ass during . . . certain activities.

[Scuba]

32. What the hell are TSV's?

[HughBeaumont]

47. "That 70s . . . "

I'm not saying "go bald" . . . just not into forests, sorry. They completely get in the way and cause unneeded hacking.

[irisblue]

83. What are TSVs ?

** wow, shoulda done more research after coffee/ finishing the thread**Time Sensitive Value? Test Status Verification? Time Spent Viewing? urban dictionary & free dictionary doesn't have an obvious match. (I'm really hoping it's not Time Spent Viewing)

[madokie]

28. One of the primary reasons for pubic hair is lubricant

same as the hair under the arms. The pubic hair acts as a lubricant but not in the sense that we view lubricants normally but a lubricant it is

[HereSince1628]

35. For that to work as a primary explanation you'll need to explain

why children who have friction in the same places as human adults don't have such hair.

You'd also have to explain why it is that the distribution of pubic hair is more dense on the front of lower abdomen above the genitals rather than where regular rubbing of body parts occurs such as between the legs or on the sides of the scrotum.

[pnwmom]

85. Children don't have sex, so they don't have friction in the same places as adults.

And, in women during sex, there is a lot of friction placed on the front of the lower abdomen.

[madokie]

90. You covered it just fine

This was something I learned in health class some 40 years ago

[HereSince1628]

228. Sorry, I was replying to the 'same as under the arms' part of that statement

I apologize for not being clear.

If pubic hair is a way to reduce friction "just like" underarm hair, how is it that prepubescent children get by without axillary hair? The arms of children pretty much rub just like those of adults.

[HereSince1628]

31. But what is the reason we have it?

Clearly, preventing infections that would occur if it is shaved or plucked is really quite flawed as a reason for having such body hair in the first place.

Don't be such a tease, deliver on the subject line, brazillions are needing to know the answer.

[Scuba]

33. Same reason you plant shrubbery around your home and yard.

[HereSince1628]

37. Bring me a shubbery????? Neeeh!

[Confusious]

38. To satisfy the knights who say NI? Nt

[NYC_SKP]

49. A Shrubbery?

[Botany]

62. That shrubbery is called a boxwood

and it can be trimmed too.

[Scuba]

64. Haw!

[Arugula Latte]

384. You mean Haw-thorne?

[coalition_unwilling]

128. I saw a great sign at an anti-war rally in Los Angeles in 2003. Carried by a woman,

the sign simply said, "The only Bush I trust is my own!"

My wife and I still giggle like adolescent school kids when we remember that sign.

[trotsky]

56. Pheromone concentration

http://www.anapsid.org/pheromones.html

[HereSince1628]

65. Certainly apocrine sweat glands are associated with such hair.

[whatchamacallit]

179. Facinating. Thanks. n/t

[pnwmom]

87. Didn't you read the article?

"Pubic hair does have a purpose, providing cushion against friction that can cause skin abrasion and injury and offering protection from bacteria and other unwanted pathogens. It is the visible result of long-awaited adolescent hormones, certainly nothing to be ashamed of or embarrassed about."

The hair protects against friction that results during sex when men and women have sex face-to-face.

[Marr]

157. Some physical traits don't have a function, or are secondary results of other changes.

I read a book sometime back on human evolution in which the author argued that the superficial traits we associate with modern humans (smaller jaw, smaller brow ridge, etc.) are only secondary characteristics that come along with domesticity.

When you domesticate foxes, for instance, choosing the more docile specimens generation after generation, you quickly end up with something that looks more like a domesticated dog than a wild fox. Floppy ears, mottled fur, etc., are juvenile characteristics that are somehow tied to domesticity.

Same goes for humans. We essentially bred ourselves to be more domesticated, as it became more and more advantageous for humans to cooperate in larger and larger numbers. Along with that domesticity came a host of physical characteristics, like thinning body hair, a sloping brow ridge, etc.

[JackRiddler]

524. Because it's beautiful and sexy and good.

[HappyMe]

34. Personal preference.

I shave my pits and legs, and wax the parts. I haven't ever gotten an infection.

[originalpckelly]

43. Ever had a little red bump?

Even once?

Then you had an infection.

[4_TN_TITANS]

36. Not buying it...

under arm hair and long pubic hair add so many feet, if not miles, of surface area for bacteria to proliferate on.

You'll have to pry my razor from my cold, dead hands!

[aikoaiko]

39. Life is just full of nasty dangers.

[nolabels]

41. The Pubic has a right to know!

Thank goodness they haven't outlawed beards yet, even with that global warming thing working it still gets too damn cold in the winter to be without it

[originalpckelly]

42. Never shave, just a trim, or a close trim.

I'm gay, and I never liked dudes without pubes anywho.

[skypilot]

60. Same here.

Years ago I started noticing the actors in gay adult movies were trimming their public hair down to short, neat little patches. Didn't like it. Fast forward a few years and guys are shaving it off altogether. Hate it. I've seen pics of guys who are hairy all over but have shaved their pubic hair--they look ridiculous.

[RKP5637]

223. +1, n/t

[NYC_SKP]

46. I am Pro-Pubic hair, also all body hair....

I'm just a hair person, I guess.

A shaved babushka is a real turn off to me.

I wonder what the idea is, (to men who like it), to look prepubescent???

How sick is that?

[SWTORFanatic]

98. Stop with the "it looks pre-pubescant" nonsense

Let's see... I shave all my body hair (everything except my scalp, eyebrows, and eyelashes) because HAVING it causes me to itch like crazy wherever it is. Maybe it's because I'm a fidgety person or something but if I haven't gone without shaving it for 2 1/2 days I'm starting to itch really bad. Sometimes I can make it to 3 days. Very rarely, 4 days.

Also, for what it's worth I have LESS body hair than normal.

Yet every time threads like this come up people in here say it's disturbing or disgusting to shave. Ugh! No it isn't! It's my personal choice and I choose to do so because not doing it drives me nuts.

Also, body hair on other people makes me crazy too. I mean, go wild if that's what you want but even if I'm sitting next to someone and we're both wearing shorts and our legs touch and they have hair it gives me the same itchy feeling.

Don't assume anything about this being sexual or anything like that either.

[NYC_SKP]

107. "Personal Choice" makes everything "OK"!

Smoking, drinking, pubic hair shaving.

"It's my personal choice!"

Of course it doesn't really address the claims of the OP as regards true hygiene and personal health.

Mother nature is a marvelous thing- everything in it's place everything there for a purpose.

Enjoy your body, as altered as it might be, I'm glad you like it!

[joeglow3]

122. But implying people who like it are similar to pedophiles is far from calling it "OK"

[NYC_SKP]

127. "I wonder what the idea is, (to men who like it), to look prepubescent??? "

Is EXACTLY like implying people are like pedophiles....

OK, then, what is it about people wanting mature women to resemble smooth hairless humans?

Why is hair so icky?

[joeglow3]

176. I like my wife to shave her pits. Is that disgusting to you?

Personally, I LOVE to dive, but hate picking hair out of my teeth. Additionally, we are NOT in rut where we have our "sex routine". That said, it keeps it a lot "fresher" so that after a couple hours it doesn't smell like a gym locker.

[Chan790]

225. Um...oral sex.

I'm not telling anybody what to do with their body...but I do tell sexual-partners what I'm not doing with my face unless they do with their body. I'm perfectly happy to accommodate partners who don't want shave by doing many other things, but I'm yet to meet a partner who didn't eventually relent to accommodate me to do one thing.

[JVS]

241. Ding ding ding. The shaving norm is linked to cunnilingus being a standard part of sex.

[NYC_SKP]

248. Then I submit that people are putting their tongues on the wrong parts.

I've yet to see a hairy clitooooris.

And in any event, an occasional hair needing to be pulled away isn't the end of the word.

[Scout]

250. yup.

i daresay many people don't seem to know the difference between labia, vagina, uterus, clitoris ... for some i guess it's all just "down there"

[NYC_SKP]

258. Maybe some are licking the mons?

I hadn't thought it to be a sensitive bit, but who knows?

[Warren DeMontague]

321. I was trying to drive to Alabama, and i'm in Montana!

Wouldnt you know it, i had the atlas upside down!!!

[NYC_SKP]

344. Damn- that'll end you up in all kinds of crazy places!

Which can be fun!

"the Land Down Under"!

[EOTE]

313. I have to say people making your argument are being more than a bit obtuse.

If you're ANY good at cunnilingus and your partner is not shaved, you're going to get some hair in your mouth and it's not pleasant. If you're so clinical during oral sex that you avoid any chance of coming into contact with hair, you're DEFINITELY not doing it right. Anyone who doesn't understand the advantages of a brazillian are really, really missing the point.

[Warren DeMontague]

319. You can always be like moses and part the red (or whatever color) sea.. But like i said

In most cases a bit of regular grooming in the form of a trim seems to help.

[EOTE]

332. "Part the red sea". I'm going to have to add that to my list of sexual euphemisms.

Another one I heard recently was "Shark Week" when referencing a woman's period. I did a spit take when I heard that one. Yes, a trim definitely helps. Sad that so many here have to attack others for their hair preference.

[Warren DeMontague]

336. Like i said, people need hobbies.

And, sad to say, offering lectures to total strangers about how they ought to run their lives, seems to be a popular one.


Oh, and "shark week"

[uponit7771]

400. +1!

[uponit7771]

399. lol...some are not there for a treasure hunt

[Scuba]

528. "Treasure hunt." I love it!

[LadyHawkAZ]

274. I love you for this post.

[jberryhill]

333. Plus... you can sneak in a good flossing while you are at it

Many people don't take time to floss their teeth, and this is something of an opportunity.

[Warren DeMontague]

306. For that, a trim is necessary (phrasing!) but maybe not a full shave.

IMHO YVMMV.

[JVS]

317. Either works, it's up to the individual to choose her own method

[Warren DeMontague]

318. That is my philosophy.

If i wanted to spend all day worrying about what was going on in other peoples' pants, I'd be a Republican.

[undeterred]

372. So every man who wants oral sex should understand that he's not getting it unless he shaves?

Just want to be clear that there's no double standard here.

[Chan790]

526. If that's what she demands of us: yup.

I've never had that request and the two times I took it upon me to do it of my own initiative, I was asked to not do it again...both times strangely by women as smooth as glass.

Apparently, shorn penii look alien and unappealing. I'm a close trimmer up top, had the parts I want clear-cut permanently deforested years ago. Yes, having your scrote electrolyzed hurts but no more than tattooing and the pain goes away in a few days.

[awoke_in_2003]

550. Pass the razor. nt

[Jack Sprat]

416. Agree with you, NYC

The women who shave the pubic area give me the creeps. I think maybe I'm looking at a child by mistake. Thankfully, I'm of the age that I've avoided a personal encounter with a shaven maiden and just seen them in pics. I don't even like them in pics of mature women. It takes away the sexiness and personality from the the Vee Spot. I like the natural triangles. It's appealing and associated with a sexy female form.

On the non-sexy aspects of hair, it does have a purpose in cooling all parts of the body. On the subject of personality, ask most bald men whether they would rather have hair than be baldies. I expect most of them would agree that their once-upon-a-time hair gave their appearance a personality they no longer have and would prefer to have back.

[adigal]

133. You are itchy because it is growing in!

Ifyoungave yourself a week or so, the itch would go away.

Just saying.

And I agree that men lie it because it look prepubescent.

[SWTORFanatic]

151. I tried to give it a week or so once (my friend was going to

wax me, no not on the pubic area, on my legs) and it just got worse and worse and worse.

Some men may like it because it looks prepubescent. Thankfully they don't control my razor. I get rid of it because of the itch and because I don't like it.

As I said assume nothing sexual about me - I am actually a male to female transgender person (I was "born" male, began making the change to female in my late teens/early 20s) and I have only had one partner in my life who is female. Maybe the hatred of my body hair is partially related to hating being male, but like I said, I actually have less body hair than average (male or female).

[aquart]

208. Or post-menopausal.

It screams "You have nothing to fear from my inadequate hormones!" Which is a weird message.

[phleshdef]

266. I'm in total agreement. I don't want to feel like I'm having sex with an underage girl.

I don't think that people who like it shaved are really pedo-fetishists or anything nasty like that. But for me personally, it does make a woman look underage from the waist down.

[Codeine]

364. Oh please stop that nonsense.

People who like shaved pubes aren't pedophiles. People who like children are pedophiles.

[malokvale77]

48. Peter Pan Syndrome

Just let me play

[patrice]

253. 1+

[Curtland1015]

52. I think it's the proliferation of porn.

It shows young men and women what's "expected" of them sexually and body-wise.

[lunatica]

53. Fascinating thread

[NRaleighLiberal]

54. well, finding/reading this thread is an experience that will stay with me today!

[MineralMan]

55. I can't see it as any sort of important issue, really.

If a person wants to shave, he or she can shave. If not, not. Regular bathing takes care of everything else, frankly.

It seems a silly controversy to me.

[riverwalker]

57. and rabies

Rabid beaver attacks NY man swimming in Pa. river

PINE PLAINS, N.Y. — A Boy Scout leader from New York who was attacked by a rabid beaver while swimming in the Delaware River is recovering.

The Poughkeepsie Journal reports (http://pojonews.co/PgKSHr ) that 51-year-old Normand Brousseau, of Pine Plains, was swimming in eastern Pennsylvania on Aug. 2 when a beaver swam through his legs and bit him in the chest.

The animal then bit him in the leg, buttocks, arm, hand and torso before he managed to grab it and hold its jaw closed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57491847/rabid-beaver-attacks-ny-man-swimming-in-pa-river/

[cbdo2007]

58. have tried it a few times with bad results

I'm a guy and occasionally will get the idea to shave my region down there to be sexier for my wife. Not that she prefers that, but sometimes it's just fun doing something different. Big mistake. It is usually ok the first night but the next week is miserable. Itching, burning, chaffing, irregular bumps, etc.

[Ezlivin]

59. Where are the photos?

Damn. Without graphic graphics of public pubic hair we're not exposing the truth.

[Scuba]

61. Rumor is that such photos can be found on the intertubes.

[Curtland1015]

66. Wait, wait, wait... there are pictures of NAKED people on the INTERNET!?

Does everyone else know about this!?

[Scuba]

67. No idea. I just heard about it myself.

[NYC_SKP]

109. I think you mean "InterPubes"...

...

[Major Nikon]

94. Here you go

[Ezlivin]

174. So THAT'S how you shave your balls

But I'd never put them on the countertop.

[peacefreak]

63. Wow. Who knew?

Thank you for that wonderful pubic, eerrrr....public service announcement.

[Egalitarian Thug]

68. I'm with Janeane Garofalo on this one.

[adigal]

136. Lol! You are a person of interest, and not in a good way

If you like a bald vagina!

Very true!

[redqueen]

152. Thanks for relaying the gist of it...

I thought I'd agree with her. She's awesome.

[Egalitarian Thug]

194. I think it's kind of creepy. The first time I encountered one was dating a model & it caused

an ill-timed conversation. Trimming and shaping is nice, but that pre-pubescent look is just...

eew.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

70. "Hardwood Floors" are the only preferrable way to decorate the basement floor!

I suppose the ocasional short decorative throw rug is acceptable.

[GoneOffShore]

84. You made me snort my tea!

Priceless and FTW!

And definitely a DUZY!

[LadyHawkAZ]

279. Hardwood flooring in basements will get wet, warp and rot

Just sayin'.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

71. What about medical hair-removal treatments? No cuts or shaving irriation and still hairless!

[TorchTheWitch]

73. I've actually never seen my bits furry

since I've been getting rid of it as soon as it first started to arrive. I hate it. And here I am in my forties without having any of the medical issues described because of it. How in the world did I ever end up being so lucky? Without it I don't have to deal with them constantly getting caught in the elastic of my underpants and painfully yanked out, having to use half a roll of toilet paper every time I take a piss to get rid of all urine traces, don't itch like mad "down there" with the very slightest film of perspiration, don't have to deal with regular every day vaginal secretions crusting on the hairs creating a gross not to mention stinky and unsightly bacterial nest, don't have to deal with the agony of removing a tampon whose string got wound up with those hairs in the immediate vicinity, etc.

It's hardly a fad, and I'll be damned to ever go back to letting the useless fur on the bits return to plague me. If only more men were interested in stopping the plague of problems by getting rid of their own "down there" hair so I wouldn't have to choke on them during oral sex, smell the trapped scuz in the nest nor hear their bloodcurdling screams as they try removing a condom that several hairs got caught in or spend the next couple of hours with four pairs of tweezers trying to help extricate said hairs, not to mention having to deal with and spend money on (along with embarrassing moments at the cash register) for jock itch remedies. A lot of athletic men I know even advanced to not only evicting their "down there" hair but they also claim their chest hair causes intense itching and discomfort from perspiration from excessing and have been evicting that hair as well. Now, that does sadden me a bit since I happen to like certain chest hair on men, but it's their chest, and who the hell am I to complain if they feel more comfortable in shaving it off?

[Ineeda]

162. If you've never been fuzzy

how can can you relate to all the horrors you describe? I am, and I haven't. Not one. And I don't know any men who have had the problems you describe either. "...couple of hours and four pair pairs of tweezers"? Uh-huh. Never happened.

[TorchTheWitch]

431. Not being furry doesn't mean you don't have some

When I was young and they first started arriving I plucked them out with tweezers because it never occurred to me to use a razor, and unfortunately it was difficult to keep up with them particularly since pulling them out with tweezers was God-awful painful. My older sister clued me into the razor and Nair.

As for your never having any of the problems I described perhaps you are one of those lucky women that has naturally short downy hairs that don't grow into a huge shrub... many women I know including those in my own family (which probably also means me had I let it ever grow to that point) had the long enough to braid creeping shrubbery.

I also heard a lot of "girl talk" from my peers... didn't experience all of the problems personally (girls talk about such personal tragedies, you know). I definitely had that tampon string problem before though, and damn good thing I was in "the girls" bathroom of the house with a pair of haircutting scissors in the medicine cabinet. That was actually the whole reason I wanted to start using tampons in the first place (which was not something girls our age usually used back then) because dried menstrual flow that had been allowed to leak out onto a pad caked pubic hairs on either "side" together which meant the hairs ripped out excruciatingly when spreading one's legs to step over the bathtub rim or mount a bicycle, etc. Several times I had to shimmy into the tub and soak the caked blood off the hairs to avoid the agony of having them yanked out.

As for the couple of hours with four pairs of tweezers... joke. I wouldn't have the patience or the mercy and would have yanked the condom off myself even if I had to put up with the howling. However, truthfully I did get my nose ring caught in one guy's shrubbery, which though painful and a little bloody (my nose that is) was still hilarious though that could have had a lot more to do with who's shrubbery it was. We still laugh about that.

[GobBluth]

485. Whaaaaat?!

I do trim from time to time, as does my husband. But we are both pretty natural. My girlfriends and I are not shy about this topic and I have NEVER heard of such things! Not a judgment, I really don't give a shit. But I cursed my husband the one time he thought it would be cool to shave his balls. The 2nd day growth was a hell of a lot of itching for ME!

[TorchTheWitch]

509. Is it not obvious that we all don't have the same pubic hair nor the various problems they can cause

Consider yourself lucky that you've never had such problems with your pubes. Many of us DO, and that's pretty reasonable seeing as we all don't have the same hair, skin or shrubbery. Nor do we have the same tastes in what we like or don't like, which I thought would have been obvious even without all the various opinions on peoples' own growth or lack there of and others growth or lack thereof in this thread.

As for your husband's 2nd day growth... that's why men shave their faces every day or even more than once a day - new regrowth is harsh. Why would it be no different for the "down there" hair? If you're happier with your husband keeping his pubes and he's happier keeping them, than what in the world is the problem??? Hurray! You're both happy! That's how it should be. I'm not having sex with either or you nor have to wear the hair of either of you, so why in the world would it matter to me in the slightest what you're both doing or not doing with your pubes as long as your both happy with it? Judgment regarding what other people are doing or not doing with their pubes is as stupid as judgment about what they're doing with the hair on other places of their bodies. What next, a 500+ judgmental thread about what people are doing or not doing with the hair on their heads or lack thereof?

[Javaman]

74. To all you follicle based life forms...

I have alopecia universalis.

That means I don't have a single hair on my body.

I have been this way since I was 5.

I can tell you from very personal experience that I have never ever had any sort of "infection" "irritation" or whatever, due to my lack of hair.

And to dispel any other notions, I still have follicles, just not hair.

If you are a clean individual, shower regularly and observe basic hygiene, you shouldn't have any issues.

That said, personally, I enjoy a bit of hair down there.

[Blue Owl]

75. This research made possible by the Clarence Thomas foundation.

Just kidding!

[HappyMe]

77. ....

[rppper]

78. See this through the eyes of Dr. Evil and Les Claypool...

"At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking, I suggest you try it."

&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Romulox]

80. I think there are some people with real body image issues here. nt

[pnwmom]

88. Women who choose to denude themselves of all pubic hair are choosing to either

look like a pre-pubertal girl, or to look like a 70 year old.

I'm not sure why.

[Butterbean]

291. Um, I did it twice, and it was for neither reason you listed.

I did it because I didn't want to clean chunks of blood and mini clots out of my pubes for weeks after having a baby, thank you very much. I'm an L&D nurse, and I know damned well what goes on after having a baby, and I didn't want to have to deal with the added gross out factor of clots and blood cling ons in my pubic hair in the postpartum period (no pun intended). I got a Brazilian wax before each kid was born, and never regretted it.

Personal choices are just that: PERSONAL. I don't ask my patients with clitoral piercings or pubic hair up to their navels to justify their choices, so why the hell should anyone be so brazen as to ask that I justify mine? Some women shave it or wax it, some don't. It's their damned body, they can do with it as they please.

[pnwmom]

294. As a L & D nurse, you know then that hospitals used to require

shaving as a part of delivery (if the woman wasn't already shaved); but most stopped because the risk of infection was higher in women who were shaved than in those who weren't.

As the physician in the OP pointed out.

No one's asking you to justify your choice. The physician's just providing her medical opinion, take it or leave it.

[Butterbean]

303. And? You're making a value judgment on women who remove

pubic hair by saying they are choosing to "look like a pre-pubertal girl or a 70 year old." What if I said that everyone who chose to shave their head was choosing to look like a skinhead? Or that everyone who grew dreadlocks was choosing to look like a drug dealer or thug? Or that everyone who got multiple facial piercings was choosing to look like a carnival freak?

We DON'T shave pubic hair before delivery any more, you're right, and it's exactly for the reasons stated in the article. You're not criticizing the removal of hair in a medical setting, though, you're criticizing women who choose to remove their own hair in a non-medical setting for non medical reasons, and stating that they are choosing to make themselves look pre-pubescent and/or elderly. THAT is a value judgment. You can say the same thing about tattoos and piercings and all kinds of shit people do because it makes them feel more comfortable in their own skin: there is all kinds of nasty potential there for infections and diseases and nasty stuff when you alter skin integrity. However, you aren't telling them that they are choosing to look like a carnival freak or a thug or any other negative stereotype. That's what makes this different.

Criticizing hair removal in a hospital when evidence based practice has shown it actually increases infection rates = okey dokey. Criticizing hair removal in a private setting by an adult when it is their own personal choice and making a value judgment on that choice = nunyabiz.

[pnwmom]

331. A lot of younger women are feeling pressured to do this now,

including 11 and 12 year olds. I am making a judgment about that.

[Butterbean]

444. Okay, well, my statement, again, was in regards to your assertion

that women who do this must be either a) trying to look pre-pubescent or b) look like a 70 year old. I am not an 11 or 12 year old girl and felt no pressure, and again, the assumption on your part that my decision (or any other grown ass woman's decision) had anything to do with the two reasons you assert is completely erroneous. Glad we cleared that up.

[cash__whatiwant]

409. such nonsense

certain activities are better and more enjoyable for both pubic hairless.

[kwassa]

428. Actually, they aren't.

Speaking of nonsense.

[cash__whatiwant]

498. everyone has a preference. nt

[taught_me_patience]

89. I keep it trimmed short

looks better that way.

[GObamaGO]

95. Hairy subject you have posted here!

[TwilightGardener]

96. I'm glad I'm middle aged. The expectations of how a woman should look

are becoming too much for me to keep up with.

[RobinA]

192. Tell Me About It!

I'm glad I missed this fad. I tried it once a long time ago and it was EXCRUCIATING. Back in the carpetted '70's I never met one man who turned down sex due to lack of baldness. Somehow they managed.

[treestar]

342. +1

And it always raises to me the issue of men claiming to want sex more than women do - why is it men who require so much alteration of women's bodies? It's inconsistent. And now they are judging us on parts that don't get seen in day to day life! I'm glad I'm past it all!

[Marrah_G]

97. I think if you want to shave or wax, then you should shave or wax

If you don't want to, then you shouldn't.

It's that simple to me.

[SWTORFanatic]

99. I need to post this TWICE. Stop with the pre-pubescent nonsense

Let's see... I shave all my body hair (everything except my scalp, eyebrows, and eyelashes) because HAVING it causes me to itch like crazy wherever it is. Maybe it's because I'm a fidgety person or something but if I haven't gone without shaving it for 2 1/2 days I'm starting to itch really bad. Sometimes I can make it to 3 days. Very rarely, 4 days.

Also, for what it's worth I have LESS body hair than normal.

Yet every time threads like this come up people in here say it's disturbing or disgusting to shave. Ugh! No it isn't! It's my personal choice and I choose to do so because not doing it drives me nuts.

Also, body hair on other people makes me crazy too. I mean, go wild if that's what you want but even if I'm sitting next to someone and we're both wearing shorts and our legs touch and they have hair it gives me the same itchy feeling.

Don't assume anything about this being sexual or anything like that either.

[Romulox]

156. Worth repeating then: it itches specifically because you shave it!

Also, body hair on other people makes me crazy too. I mean, go wild if that's what you want but even if I'm sitting next to someone and we're both wearing shorts and our legs touch and they have hair it gives me the same itchy feeling.

Yeah, ummm...you're a mammal. The hair is growing (under your skin!!!!) even if you shave every square inch of your body, every day.

[cthulu2016]

189. I need to post this ONCE. Your fad-choices do not negate reality

You seem to think that any general observation about human beings is about YOU, YOU, YOU.

You chose to follow a fad, and that's your business. It does not, however, mean that the entire rest of the world needs to stop thinking so your choice to follow a fad will be more psychologically comfortable for you.

You itch because you shave. You started shaving, for god knows what reason, buying into a fad that is a fad partially because *other people* prefer a pre-pubescent look. You were not seeking a pre-pubescent look. You were just buying into a particularly disgusting and inhuman fad for your own personal reasons.

Fair enough. Everyone follows a monstrous fad at some point in life.

But your symptoms are nonsense.

Shaving anywhere on the body causes itching when the hair starts to grow back in.

C-A-U-S-E-S.

So you big medical necessity issue is a self-inflicted problem.

The kinkier and coarser the hair, the bigger the problem. This is why pubic shaving is a particular problem. There is a lot of variation in hair types, but a person's public hair is almost always coarser and less-straight than their head hair.


You have doomed yourself to a perpetual condition of being on the threshold of itching. That is your right.

But your abhorrence of hair in general demonstrates that your medical necessity issue is bogus.

You have a psychological problem with humans being mammals that you absorbed from culture. Period.

[SWTORFanatic]

221. Nice personal attack. I do not have a psychological problem.

Like I said if people want to "go wild" and not shave any of their body hair that is their business and I do not care. I don't call them wanting to be monkey-like for doing so. And yes there are some people who are almost proud of being animals/part animals etc... there are others who don't shave because that's the fad they bought into (I wasn't alive until 1980 but I know starting in the 60s/70s it's become a feminist fad to not shave certain body parts, such as armpits), because shaving irritates their skin, or because they like how body hair looks. If that's how they want to roll, so be it.

Yes, I do experience itchiness (though in truth most of the itchiness is actually on my legs and arms, rather than my abdoman/chest/pubic area) and that is possibly from shaving - though why do I also experience itchiness if my leg touches the unshaved hair on another person - even if that is a person who has fully grown leg hair, not stubble? Regardless, I also do not like the appearance of body hair and I like the feeling of soft smooth skin touching. It's not because I bought into a fad. If you knew me you'd know I'm not like that at all I am such a huge nerd and geek and not in touch with pop culture it's not even funny.

That's how I roll. No need to personally attack me or state I have a psychological problem.

[EOTE]

320. Thanks for bringing some sanity to the discussion.

I, too, prefer clean shaven and it has nothing to do with an attraction to the prepubescent. I think all of the posters who object so strongly to this are simply upset that some choose to participate in the upkeep and benefit from it. If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's this: Hater's gon' hate.

[adigal]

210. No, I won't stop. You may want to read this.

It is about how porn stars started this, and men's brains got hard wired to respond to this with orgasms, and now want their women to look like prepubescent girls. Belief is that it blurring the line between sex with adults and children.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201201/wiring-sexual-tastes-hairless-genitalsoops?page=2

Fascinating conversation.

[SWTORFanatic]

233. It's interesting, but don't paint with such a broad brush. Some of us just don't like body hair.

[Digit]

283. Yes, very interesting

Eye opening in fact.

[hughee99]

100. Perhaps this will be the next issue Mayor Bloomberg decides to tackle. n/t

[Curtland1015]

102. Imagine the "stop and frisk" policies for THAT one.

Yeesh!

[hughee99]

104. That's EXACLTY what I was thinking! n/t

[xmas74]

105. Without getting into too many details

my child is entering puberty. Hair is growing on her in places it didn't grow before. She's embarrassed and wants to remove it-all of it. She now shaves her legs and her underarms but makes comments about wanting to remove the rest. Why? Because women aren't supposed to be hairy, according to what she has noticed in pictures and such. And the boys in her middle school make jokes about girls shaving all the time.

Something is wrong here. The hair growth is normal but she's now being taught, by society, that it's all abnormal.

[MadrasT]

115. This makes me feel sad.

Real women have hair. There is nothing abnormal about it.

[barbtries]

222. neither abnormal

nor ugly. it's a learned thing.

[xmas74]

262. It is learned.

I'm sad that how she sees things now. For her, certain signs of growing up are now considered by some to be abnormal and that's how she's reacting.

[xmas74]

260. It makes me feel sad too.

She isn't even all that hairy and she's a blonde. She just notices what is shown to her through the media and she thinks she needs to be the same.

[redqueen]

349. That is sad. And it makes me wonder again about how much money is spent on this stuff.

The article mentioned it in passing, and now I'm curious. How much is it worth to convince people that certain types of hair, in certain places, is gross and disgusting.

[riderinthestorm]

380. I agree. The waxing, the after burn creams to treat red bumps, itches and rashes

My youngest daughter is into all of it. She spends a fortune on hair removal products and salon services (and the products to deal with the after effects).



She's only 15 years old and has totally bought into the meme that her body hair is disgusting, unclean, smells "gross" - everything that's being said on this thread.

She's a child! She sure hasn't gotten that message from me or her older sister, aunts, or cousins. She gets it from her peers. This shaming of her natural body started in middle school....

[xmas74]

385. You really have to wonder about that sometimes.

I hope she outgrows that stage and learns to live with what she has. It would be different if she were very hairy and it was noticeable in a modest swimsuit. In that case, she might feel uncomfortable and I would help her trim it a bit.( I wouldn't want her to be uncomfortable for something that could be easily corrected in front of her classmates.) But in her case, it's in a place that no one at her age should see. Same with if she were still competitively swimming-I might consider helping her and even then I'd feel uncomfortable with the decision at that age, letting her know that it's ok to wait a few more years. (I might even just tell her that I'd prefer she waited until she reached the age where the stakes are very high before we discussed it.)

It's something she can wait for. Hopefully, she'll realize that it's not so bad when she's older and that, as long as she uses good hygiene, it's not "gross and disgusting" but instead quite natural.

[redqueen]

108. I wonder how much money...

Can't help but think of Idiocracy.

This, plastic surgery... these are priorities? Really?

[hifiguy]

111. IIRC, this all started with the Brazilian bikini wax.

So blame the Brazilians if it's a big issue, which I can't imagine it is. They're all at the beach and don't care anyway. Jeez, louise, it's a personal grooming choice.

[Enrique]

112. pubic hair is the great equalizer

imagine if everyone wore giant bushy beards. Brad Pitt would be just another guy.

[Voice for Peace]

421. lol and so would Angelina, with a giant bushy beard

[Mr Dixon]

120. IMO

Shave that shit, LOL just playing I trim mine but not bald, as far as women, I prefer it trimmed or bald, but bushy is a no go, sorry I have had bad experiences with the bush.

[aikoaiko]

121. "private parts were so exposed, so healthy and so hairless, that looking upon them we felt no shame"

The history of this is interesting, if wiki is to be believed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_waxing#cite_note-15

Brazilian waxing
Origin
The Brazilian wax was first so named in modern times by the J. Sisters salon in Manhattan, founded in 1987 by seven sisters from Brazil named Padilha.[15]

Some claim the origin of the concept Brazilian hairless privates date back to a letter written by Pêro Vaz de Caminha documenting Pedro Álvares Cabral's voyage to Brazil in 1500 AD, which says: "...suas vergonhas tão altas e tão çarradinhas e tão limpas das cabeleiras que de as nós muito bem olharmos não tínhamos nenhuma vergonha" (English translation: "their private parts were so exposed, so healthy and so hairless, that looking upon them we felt no shame&quot .

M. Elizabeth Ginway, Brazilian Science Fiction, page 56, Bucknell University Press, 2004, ISBN 0-8387-5564-X.

[opiate69]

154. It goes back even further than that

http://beavershaver.com/history_pubic_shaving.htm

[snooper2]

124. you are supposed to shave pictures and words...

Like-

Hidden when erect, (might be hard one to do LOL)

arrow pointing down,

arrow pointing up,

VIP

a smilie face

Some people may want to put a warning like ( STD ) LOL

Or sometimes just a single spike with some gel, or a double spike!

Weaves work as well if you have really mad skills

[AngryAmish]

126. We have pubic hair for a reason - So we can judge others by what they do with it

Remember you are not "real" so you don't qualify as fully human, if you alter your body in a way others do not approve.

[opiate69]

147. + a brazillion

[mythology]

606. In this case,

I think that should be +a brazilian.

[progressivebydesign]

131. seems a bit pedophile-creepy to me.

Adults have hair there... there is nothing "unclean" about it. Disturbing trend.

[seabeyond]

132. All Girls 15 and Younger, Free Waxing. ... we are starting it young.

when having our kids just hitting the age thinking society is telling them they are abnormal with pubic hair and that they MUST shave, there is an issue.

edit to add, otherwise i dont have a dog in this fight.

[progressivebydesign]

134. that's just gross. n/t

[TwilightGardener]

135. "Enjoy"? "Pleasant"?

Last edited Mon Aug 13, 2012, 12:38 PM - Edit history (1)

How is it pleasant and enjoyable? The whole thing is just sick.

[Romulox]

139. Are you *f-ing* kidding me? Just unbelievable, and disgusting. nt

[xmas74]

265. I'd believe it.

I have a 12 year old and she wants it done, like some of her classmates.

[riderinthestorm]

171. Disgusting. Body image messages for girls these days are despicable

I've tried really hard to model, and explicitly tell my own daughters, that their bodies are beautiful just the way they are.

I'm so glad I never had any issues with this - as a blonde european I've never shaved or clipped anything. You can't see my body hair anyway since its so fair, but my daughters have grown up with me modelling this. My older girl has lived in Europe and also doesn't shave anymore (also blonde). My (very blonde) 15 year old is all American and is obsessed with shaving every last bit of it off. I'm really sorry about that - its a lot of aggravation (literally with the itching from the stubble), pain, expense (razors and wax) and it frankly looks completely inappropriately prepubescent.

[Major Nikon]

181. Getting waxed doesn't mean they are removing their pubic hair.

My daughter has been shaving her legs since about age 13. When she was 15 she wanted to try getting them waxed to see if it lasted longer. It wasn't as if they gave her a Brazilian. I guess the alternative to shaving/waxing is hairy legs, or they can always wear one of these. I'm not sure either one is a viable option for most 15 year old girls.

[opiate69]

187. Exactly... the ad is for waxing, which could be legs only...

of course, it`s also gotta be society foisting negative self imaging on these girls, and not just one businesz trying to drum up customers... so many leaps of logic in this thread..

[xmas74]

268. But I have heard of girls in my child's school

whose mothers take them in for "shaping". They also used to go to the tanning booths until recent law changes.

I'm not surprised about any of it.

[4th law of robotics]

541. That doesn't say for pubic hair

it says waxing.

So legs, mustache region, eyebrows, etc are all possibilities.

High schools often forbid boys from having facial hair.

Is it wrong to tell them they must shave and are abnormal if they don't?

/as far as I know no public school has a policy on body hair for women.

[Springslips]

137. Being new here. . .

I am surprised by what ki d of conversations can come up.

For me, there is no need for anyone to shave pubic hair totally off. All that is needed is to keep it trimmed and neat.

[Scuba]

145. Diversity is welcomed here. So are you!!!

[Joe Shlabotnik]

330. welcome to DU

Wait until you see what goes on in the lounge!

[DLine]

140. I like to stay trimmed up for my chick..

It makes my junk look bigger not to have Bin Ladens beard down there.

[Scuba]

143. Snort.

[MineralMan]

150. Your "chick?"

Really? And it makes your "junk" look bigger, too? Dude...

[DLine]

183. Yes, my chick

I call her that tongue in cheek. Really DUDE!

[NYC_SKP]

425. My chick crave my junk.

Don't your chicks crave your junk?

Or maybe The Babes love your Package?

This thread is killin me...

[MineralMan]

513. LOL! nt

[Marrah_G]

607. ROFLMAO

[Lone_Star_Dem]

148. Indeed, without it Primus could never have written their epic tune

Wynona's big brown beaver"

I love DU on Monday mornings.

[rppper]

312. See my previous post !

K&R for rex the texan....He got wind of the big brown beaver and thought he'd get himself a peek...

[Kablooie]

149. I guess the prepubescent look is appealing to some guys.

[Kaleva]

165. And many women prefer that guys be at least trimmed down there.

[DLine]

190. Exactly...

Ive never heard a woman say she didn't appreciate it when her guy stays trimmed.

[shanti]

205. sorry, but that would be a deal breaker for me

yuk! same goes for chest shaving.

[Kaleva]

244. Well, our relationship ended before it even started.

[Marr]

168. Why is it always the male that people go to with this observation?

I've known plenty of women who preferred this. If we count the ones who want a smooth chest, it's a vast majority, at least in my limited experience.

[redqueen]

173. Really?

I never understood the attraction for shaved chests, myself.

[shanti]

206. me neither!

two of my sons do this and it squicks me out. one of them has even developed infected ingrown hairs due to shaving above the nether region which makes it even worse.

[Mojorabbit]

559. Me either

I like a nicely cushioned chest.

[ohheckyeah]

325. LOL...

so it's pubic hair that makes a woman look like a woman? How can you tell the difference between a prepubescent girl and a woman when they are clothed?

This whole prepubescent argument is just plain silly.

[Codeine]

368. My partner prefers my body hair shaved off.

Is she a borderline pedo as well?

[smirkymonkey]

427. Personally, I just like natural looking men myself. It seems more manly to me.

A shaved guy just doesn't seem quite as convincingly hetero in my opinion. Sorry, I guess it's just a matter of taste. I wan't a manly man. Not a smooth little teenager.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

155. Everything in moderation m/t

[grantcart]

164. So you are arguing for a trim? or for a pubic mohawk? or for half left/half right?

[Floyd_Gondolli]

182. I'm arguing for moderation

As in there's no need to have tufts and tufts of thick coarse hair but there's no need to go baldy either.

[grantcart]

184. so that would be a vote for "a careful trim"

[Floyd_Gondolli]

213. Precisely

[Jamastiene]

166. I just turned the TV off.

Does anybody have any of that tasty sprinkle cheese topping?

[grantcart]

167. Where is the obligatory "This thread is useless without pictures"

I can't believe we got to 165 replies without it.

[HappyMe]

170. Post 59

[shanti]

185. this old hippie gal doesn't get it either

why shave at all? but then, i've always liked the natural look. the only time i was shaved 'down there' was during my first son's birth. after that, and the extreme itching that followed, i said NEVER AGAIN!

[Whisp]

186. Interesting thread. As long as it doesn't get into Shaving Ryan's Privates. nt

[adigal]

217. Oh, god! Paul Ryan!!!!! Noooooooooooooo!!!!!! N/t

[Ganja Ninja]

203. Shaving and plucking is probably not a good idea but there's nothing wrong with a little mowing.

[woo me with science]

211. What gets me is the vehemence of the responses.

If you are not just bothered, but deeply revolted, by hair, or by the lack of hair, at what point do you check this out with your potential partner?

On the first date? At the moment of disrobing for the first time?

And if the pants come off and you have to throw up, do you end it there? And do you tell the person why?

This is just stunning to me, the level of judgment and emotion in some of these responses. Dating must be nerve-wracking as hell if this is what you face these days.

[Scuba]

215. I had no clue that this was a big deal to anyone. I'm stunned by the responses.

[woo me with science]

229. And if this grows to Olive Garden-level fame on DU,

you will be eternally responsible for having started it.

But seriously, this is a stunning thread.

[Enrique]

285. it has that feel

[grantcart]

218. I would guess that you take them to an Olive Garden restaurant and sit next to a woman who is

breast feeding if possible and introduce the subject by first asking for their opinion on circumcision.

[woo me with science]

226. Bwah!

[sammytko]

383. You forgot the pit bull.

[RKP5637]

237. I've been reading some of the responses and wondering WTF. This is getting

as bad as a circumcision thread. Anyway (LOL) where would the homeless crabs live if everyone shaved.

[laundry_queen]

247. As I was reading this thread

I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm in the middle of a divorce and hope to eventually (when I have time) start to date. Is THIS what I have to look forward to? Lots of shallowness and judgement. What if you prefer hairless and your perfect girl prefers a shag? What if you prefer a hairy chest and your perfect man waxes? Zomg! End it right now! LOL.

Glad I have no strong opinions one way or the other.

[riderinthestorm]

270. I'm also stunned! I slept with at least 50 guys before I married and NONE complained about body hair

And I don't shave anything, not my legs or armpits let alone pubic hair. I just asked my husband who was equally as randy in his day and he couldn't even remember(!) what percentage may have shaved or not.

My 24 year old has also had multiple partners and she doesn't shave a thing. She tells me nobody has EVER inquired about her pubic hairs or the lack thereof before jumping into bed together.

The level of disgust for body hair is just unbelievable to observe.


I agree, this may be a new Olive Garden/circumcision/public breastfeeding moment...

[opiate69]

275. The only real disgust I see is from the anti-shavers...

Poster A: "I prefer a shaved or at least well groomed partner"


Poster B: "OMFG!!!! You`re like a pedophile!!!!!"

[riderinthestorm]

281. Not. "Pubic hair is nasty", "bald beavers", pictures of men with machetes

Other men testifying that they simply would not go down on a woman with pubic hair, or that they won't even consider sleeping with a woman with pubic hair (for 15 + years) since they're not "clean", one poster whose NEVER allowed body hair to grow because its "nasty", another that says its "itchy"....


Sorry but that's a lot of disgust for body hair.

Sorry but a shaved female crotch looks just like a prepubescent girl and that's simply the truth. Body hair is a mark of a fully sexually mature human being.

[opiate69]

286. is this disguting then? "mark of a fully mature yada yada"

[Scout]

288. it's not the hair that is disgusting...

it's the person it's growing on.

[seabeyond]

289. swimsuit, ya. the man, no. but more funny.... everyones face, looking at him. lol. nt

[opiate69]

293. different strokes for different folks, being my motto....

my wife, for example, likes big hairy guys - but not a lot of body hair.. hence my waist length hair and 12inch goatee...other women I know like their men to sport the close-cropped clean shaven business style look... not my place to tell them they should be attracted to Zakk Wylde instead of that Twilight guy.

[seabeyond]

300. you are the one to ask if it was disgusting. i answered. nt

[opiate69]

324. that`s because...

the person I was asking said that body hair was a sign of sexual maturity, and as such was fine... just wanted to find her limit, because she absolutely has one.. we all do.

[riderinthestorm]

345. I honestly have no idea where you are going with this. Why post a pic of Borat?

Are you commenting on his hirsuteness, his ridiculous bathing suit, the movie and its social commentary, Sasha Baron Cohen, Europeans and their comfort with body hair, what "limit" you think someone has in regards to body hair, what "limit" you think I personally have with body hair?

I'm not at all sure what you want me to comment on. You appear to have some kind of point you think you're making (that I'm missing).

I've already said, I have no problem with hairy bodies. It demonstrates that person is past puberty.

[opiate69]

348. well... since this thread is about body hair, I think we can rule out his swimwear as the focus

of my point. If you are sincerely fine with hirsute men (and/or women), then bravo. Seriously.. however, it`s been my experience that when a guy takes off his shirt -say at a beach - and he is covered with thick hair, or when the subject of, say, excessive back hair comes up amongst my female acauaintances, there is almost a universal display of disgust. So it would seem that the "norm" couldn`t care less that body hair is a sign of sexual maturity. That particular evolutionary signpost seems to have been run over (at this point in time, in our culture at least).

[riderinthestorm]

290. Body hair for Europeans is completely common and acceptable - male or female

Since Sasha Baron Cohen is British, I'm presuming his attitude on body hair is pretty relaxed. Do you think most/all/any women would turn down the opportunity to sleep with Cohen because he's hairy? Really? Do you believe people are so shallow that brilliance, intelligence and humour are meaningless when confronted with hairy balls? I just don't buy it.

The bathing suit is hilarious and definitely got more of a laugh from me than engendering disgust. Borat was a movie about exposing American bigotry - Baron Cohen had to get pretty damn basic to reach his intended audience. Sad really that THIS is the kind of thing it takes but "fearless" is more the word I'd describe when I think of Borat.

[opiate69]

308. my point exactly....

do you believe that people are so shallow that brilliance, intelligence and humor are meaningless when confronted by hairy vulvae??
bottom line is, personal preference is, ya know.. personal.

[riderinthestorm]

347. You started this subthread by pointing out that the only people expressing disgust were those

who were anti-shaving.

I responded that wasn't true (and gave specific examples to support my point).

Now you appear to be making an entirely different comment which is that "personal preference" is well, "personal".

Okay except there's the fact that hairless bodies creepily resemble prepubescent children whereas hairy bodies resemble post-pubescent adults - and having sex with adults would appear to be a healthy impulse instead of wanting to sleep with children. Also there appear to be many Americans who appear to think natural body hair is "nasty" and requires machetes to tame.... These two facts together appear to demonstrate something more than a simple personal preference and appear to be veering into creepy territory.

[opiate69]

350. the difference being...

one side is expressing an opinion about personal grooming habits in general (albeit vociferously and hyperbolicly) while the other side is personalizing it by implying - and in a few cases, outright accusing people of - pedophilia.

[riderinthestorm]

359. Please point out where anyone is accusing another DUer of pedophilia

I haven't read all the replies so maybe I missed it but I'm going to guess its already been alerted, or should be alerted.

Secondly, if you are sleeping with a consenting adult, you aren't committing pedophilia so there's no way anyone can even imply pedophilia.

Lastly, if adult body hair is being referred to as nasty, unclean, disgusting, untouchable (more than a few on this thread will refuse to either go down on a woman or have sex with her if she has pubic hair) while simultaneously claiming that only hairless bodies are "clean", "soft", "desirable", "touchable, kissable" etc. etc. then I think its fair to speculate that the person may have issues related to adult body physiology, in a negative way.

[opiate69]

365. for starters, post #214.

also, there`s a video upthread from Jeanine Garofalo which has its share of fan-girls.. heading out from work now... will br back in a bit for the rest.

[riderinthestorm]

371. Then alert on them. You're right they're implying but there's no calling out in those.

You said DUers were being accused of pedophilia. Whatever you think about those posts, they're probably within DU bounds but certainly feel free to alert on them.

[opiate69]

379. I'd rather debate than to shut it down.

[smirkymonkey]

441. I am certainly not going to turn down a hot guy simply because he's got pubic hair.

If I'm attracted to someone, it doesn't really matter to me what his pubic status is.

[joeglow3]

404. Most guys are happy with a wet hole.

However, if you ask them which they prefer, it could very well be different.

Just because I am eating a hamburger it does not mean I would not rather be eating a steak.

[treestar]

337. Well exactly

It's embarrassing, and creates a problem. It's much harder to make that step - at least without discussing that. Maybe there ought to be some sort of sign - I mean if you like a person but this is going to be something that is an either/or, how do people deal with it? And no wonder they feel insecure about it, whichever the way it is.

It's very personal and people are being judged intimately on something very personal. Of course they'll want the way it is to be to be a firmly defined rule.

[Odin2005]

214. I think men who like shaved pubes should be considered potential pedophiles.

[Scuba]

234. How about women that like their men shaved? They potential pedophiles too?

[HappyMe]

245. I asked that back in post 119.

Never did get an answer.

[seabeyond]

246. i have two sons. a man cannot look like a boy, at all. or at least, the man better

hope he in no way resembles the boy. BIG.... i will say it again, lol, BIG difference.

[Scuba]

305. So you have two, perhaps a few more, data points...

... out of 3.5 billion.

I would suggest that an adult male shaved and flaccid is not that BIG a difference from a 12 year old boy. I would add that the 12 year old boy might look rather "manly" with an erection, despite a lack of pubic hair.

My sample size is small, but it suggests that female genitalia also change at puberty.

I sense a double standard here.

[NYC_SKP]

327. How about women that like their men to push their package way back between their legs?

To create a "Mangina", what about them? And if it's a SHAVED Mangina- what then???

NOTE to potential JURORS: I think I can post a mangina since no organs are showing...

[flamingdem]

470. Good grief

I've never heard of a Mangina, kind of like a Manpurse I guess

[NYC_SKP]

471. Thank you, flamingdem, for acknowledging the Mangina.

The humble Mangina has fought for recognition since the late Bronze Age.

And that was it's HIGH POINT!

[Warren DeMontague]

315. Ill go one further: i think men with short hair who dont like the grateful dead should be considered

Probable serial killers.

So, im good. Many of the rest of you, not so much.

[Son of Gob]

329. So you're saying you like it shaved?

[Codeine]

375. And I think you're a dick for posting that. nt

[Xithras]

423. I think men who like thich, furry pubes should be considered potential zoophiles.

My statement makes about as much logical sense as yours.

[Marrah_G]

609. Please tell me you are joking

[cottonseed]

622. The fact that you so easily make that association makes me wonder if you are a pedofile.

The accusers and judgemental are always the sick fuckers you have to watch out for.

[DevonRex]

216. Some people naturally have very little or none. Nt

[grantcart]

219. Can a classic DU poll be far behind?

[RKP5637]

239. With pictures included? lol n/t

[DevonRex]

254. LOL. You should do one.

Although I guess I already answered.

[datasuspect]

227. give me a hirsute woman any day

all the sex odors are more pronounced that way.

[flamingdem]

230. rec?

lol good info - down with Brazilian wax!

[kestrel91316]

235. Oh dear. My current gentleman friend won't be happy to hear this.

[BOG PERSON]

238. the revolt against pubic hair (and body hair in general) is rooted in the fear of death

(n/t)

[RKP5637]

242. Interesting! Could be ... n/t

[RC]

243. I knew a woman who didn't shave

She used Nair. Yeah, Nair. And another who did shave sometimes and it grew back like porcupine quills. Very uncomfortable.
I for one have no trouble telling a woman from a child, bare or not. There are advantages both ways. I do wonder why bother in the first place. But it's their choice.

[mike_c]

249. of course, the same can be said of shaving the face, legs, underarms, etc....

All of which equally create micro-wounds (and often macro ones) and scrape bacteria across the skin. Yet millions do it every day. Still, there are risks associated with shaving any part of the body-- they're just low enough that they don't give most people pause.

Full disclosure: I'm male and I don't shave ANYTHING, although I did shave my face for several decades. Not any more, and it doesn't have anything to do with infection risk or the like. I'm just lazy.

[NYC_SKP]

256. It breaks my heart that women, who are already conditioned to think they have to wear make-up...

and spend hours on their appearance, hair, makeup, fashion, etc., are these days also expected to put in I don't know how many hours removing that HORRIBLE hair on their legs, underarms, and now between their legs.

REMOVE THAT HAIR BETWEEN YOUR LEGS!!!! ...shouts the dominant culture the stupid American culture.

I think women should revolt.

[smirkymonkey]

451. Thank you! A very sensible post and I assume you are a man.

I happen to be very blonde and don't have a lot of hair anyway, but I am kind of insulted by the fact that I must be absolutely hair free to be appealing to a man. I shave and keep myself trimmed, but the whole Brazilian thing just seems a little creepy to me. Especialy since I have so little hair to begin with.

[NYC_SKP]

458. Well, you're welcome. The culture seems to be encroaching more and more intimately...

First it was lipstick, then eyebrows, then eyelashes.....

Then it was shaving- legs.... underarms weren't on the radar, then they were!

So, legs and arms... where to go if your a CEO or CFO in the personal care world?

And it's not just hair.

Now it's unacceptable to have anything less than unnaturally white teeth.

Although were we to have a really healthy lifestyle and diet, our teeth might be as bright as the fake phony teeth everyone on the TV seems to have these days.

Thanks for being sane and natural!

[HopeHoops]

263. Wait, wait. I've got it. It's on the tip of my tongue.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

267. Olive Garden! Breastfeeding! Pit Bulls! Cornflake Chicken! Chuggo!

Meet your new compatriot......pubic hair!

[naturallyselected]

271. Couple of other thoughts

In this long fascinating thread, there are a couple of things I haven't seen addressed.

1) If any of you have ever caught the syndicated TV show "The Doctors", the female doctor on the panel, an OB/GYN, frequently speaks on favor of pubic hair removal, saying that she has noticed in her practice, that the hair removers tend to be much less prone to vaginal infections. My wife's general practitioner says the same thing, even confiding i my wife that she does it too.

2) This pre-pubescent thing - I can understand why it pisses many off. Having a daughter, I have changed many a diaper, and anyone who has seen a hairless female child and a hairless woman must realize that you don't need hair to tell the difference. I am a very visual person, and I like a nice clear view of the very womanly parts, as well as the feel of soft skin around the area I so enjoy pleasuring. Without getting too graphic, my partner keeps some nicely trimmed hair "above", but gets rid of the hair "below", and that works just fine. However, I prefer hairy pits on women - there's nothing to "see" underneath, and I love the soft furry feel and, yes, the smell of a clean yet furry armpit - but my wife prefers to get rid of that as well, at least in the summer. A good thing about winter, I get to enjoy the womanly furry pits.

So, there is some support even from the medical world, and there are definite visual reasons for liking the area bare that have nothing to do with preferring the "pre-pubescent" look.

[LadyHawkAZ]

287. I had the opposite experience

I tried shaving a couple of times and on top of the irritation, itching, etc I noticed I was having more issues with yeast infections. The problem went away when I got sick of the discomfort and grew it back.

I shave my legs because I like the way the skin on my legs feels smooth. Shaving the genitals gave no such pleasant sensation and added nothing good to sex. To each his own etc. but it does bother me that shaving is being treated as the norm and a must-do.

[naturallyselected]

297. Absolutely, to each her own

Agreed - women should feel free to leave the area as they and their partner please. I don't think there are many who consider it a necessity (are there?) - just a grooming choice like any other.

[LadyHawkAZ]

302. Can't speak for other women

but I have had a couple of partners try to demand that I shave. I told them they were welcome to take their hand and go home (didn't happen) but I think the demand might have a different effect on a woman who is younger or less supremely arrogant than me.

A couple other bi women I hang with do view it as necessary.

[undeterred]

376. You understand that a doctor on a tv show is not a real doctor?

Television is part of the mass media culture that attempts to control us even on the most intimate personal level so that we will spend our money on things we don't really need.

And one doctors personal opinion is hardly support from the medical world. I can't imagine a respectable OB/GYN telling a patient this.

[Chan790]

531. Um, it's a syndicated medical talk show...

and yes it's hosted by real doctors. These ones:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Lane_Stork
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_P._Ordon
http://mastersonmd.com/drlisa.htm <<Here is your respectable OB/GYN.>>
http://www.askdrsears.com/content/dr-jim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Walsh

[Mojorabbit]

560. I would love to see the female doc's documentation for her claim

Perhaps something has changed, but decades ago when I was a nurse we quit shaving women before procedures because studies showed an increase in infections.

[Codeine]

377. Thank you for a sane response.

If somebody's female partner looks like a ten-year-old after shaving then they're probably actually ten years old. A woman is more than a little girl with some hair.

[Blue_In_AK]

276. I'm glad I'm old enough that I never had to succumb to this ridiculous fetish.

I like my pubes, and I've never had any complaints about them. I'm old now, but I used to get around in my younger years. As I said...no complaints.

[Broken_Hero]

280. This thread...

Is Epic....

Beavers, Rabies, crabs, throw rugs, shrubberies, ten year olds.....damn. I just had to be part of this history.

[DontTreadOnMe]

284. Seriously... no wonder Dems can get it together... this thread is a perfect example.

I bet very woman in this thread who thinks that shaving her beaver is "creepy"... also shaves her legs and underarms. Underarms get just as much "rubbing" from clothes, etc as the crotch area. Stop the nonsense about shaving is "creepy".

[Warren DeMontague]

307. Some people LIVE to tell other people how to run their lives.

I guess its good to have hobbies.

[shanti]

465. actually

there really are some people that don't shave at all. imagine that.

[tabasco]

292. I likes 'em hairy. I likes 'em bald.

As a matter of fact, I likes 'em all.

[Blue_Tires]

296. Am I overstepping my bounds to nominate this as thread of the decade?

[Warren DeMontague]

314. Yes.

It would have to be at least 4X as huge to approach the awesomeness that was the moon bombing.

[Warren DeMontague]

304. Of course, the same argument could be made for facial hair.

[WinkyDink]

322. It's a very clever ploy to lower the "acceptable" boundary on females' attire.

Yeah, not joking.

[Bucky]

363. I knew a conspiracy theory would show up eventually in this thread.

wheels within wheels, man...

[Alduin]

323. My girlfriend still has her pubic hair (she keeps it trimmed) and I love it.

If a woman wants to keep her pubic hair, that's her business. Just like if she wants to get rid of it.

Personal choice is the key here.

[Warren DeMontague]

326. When i was in my 20s, my then-girlfriend underwent chemo for hodgkins disease.

She had a chunk of time when she was totally hairless.

Somehow, i managed to have sex with her without thinking i was fucking a) a child or b) yul brynner.

[opiate69]

338. only you, Warren....

could make me literally laugh out loud while reading about a person undergoing cancer treatment!
Yul Fucking Brynner!

[Warren DeMontague]

340. In all seriousness, Shes okay now, but it was hectic.

Fortunately she had a great team and HD has very high success rates with treatment.

[opiate69]

341. that`s good to hear

had a friend in High School who had it too.. just connected recently on facebook... was really happy he was still around 25+ years later

[Warren DeMontague]

343. I think the success rate on the treatments is something like 90-95%

so it's not a great thing to get, but at least they've got a solid handle on it.

[Scout]

351. to me that is totally different than if you had insisted she shave herself

it happened, the two of you dealt with it.

it's not the same as if you were saying you would never have sex with her unless she WAS hairless.

[riderinthestorm]

362. +1. My husband was completely hairless with his chemo

but that's not at all the same as simply accepting a lover's body the way its presented, the way they like to "wear" it without demands, requests, disgust or shame.

[Warren DeMontague]

491. we should accept people for who and how they want to be.

that goes for the ones we love, and that goes for the strangers whose choices some people, oddly, feel entitled to judge.

Some people choose to shave or be hairless. That's their business, and second-guessing them or the people who are attracted to them, is fucked up.

Do people really think they are the only ones grown up enough to make their own decisions, and that everyone else who makes a decision they disagree with is somehow being brainwashed, forced, pressured or shamed into it? Really?

Sure seems that way, sometimes.

[joeglow3]

405. It is when the claim is that if you are turned on by a shaved person, you must love kids.

There have been multiple claims that those who like it are akin to pedophiles.

[Warren DeMontague]

489. Oh, is that what this thread is about? People forcing other people to shave?

Wow. I must have entirely missed that aspect. In fact, I can't find a single reference to anyone doing that to anyone else, anywhere in the thread.

See, because what I saw, was a lot of people second-guessing other people's personal choice as to whether or not to shave THEMSELVES.

[2on2u]

354. Floss. n/t

[flvegan]

374. This thread is priceless.

[Scuba]

378. I now know more about the personal grooming habits of DU members than I ever wanted.

[spin]

442. And hilarious. (n/t)

[JonLP24]

382. It is too hot not to

where I live it has averaged around 113 this past week. Winter or cool spring/fall it doesn't bother me.

I find the freaking out about preferences to be hilarious. I don't care if my partner has hair or not(though I may be bothered by too much hair) but implying that one prefers are certain look as having some sick pedophile tendencies is ridiculous. There could be lots of reasons that have nothing to do w/ that. For instance, "it looks bigger" could be a reason for shaving.

[NYC_SKP]

386. Has anyone mentioned the Prepubescence Angle yet? You know, if you like 'em Shaved you're a PERV?

Has that angle come up yet?



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[obamanut2012]

387. Coming late to the debate

1. I am 40

2. I am female

3. I am a lesbian

4. Shaving does not make an adult woman look like a child, nor does it mean their partner is a sicko.

Good God.

I also have never had an medical problems. Ridiculous. Some people also shave BECAUSE of medical problems.

[klook]

396. Welcome to DemocraticUnderwear.com (n/t)

[uponit7771]

402. +1!

[sabrina 1]

580. Lol!

[bitchkitty]

403. Never understood the bald thing...

I like my kittycat with fur. Nothing wrong with a little trim though, and a little strategic waxing during the summer.

[elfin]

408. A good friend married a Turk

She told me he was clean shaven (TMI) due to his conscription by the Turkish Army over 40 years ago.

They required it to keep clean from body lice, and he kept the habit.

So,in his case, a cultural thing.

[klook]

414. "A good friend who married a Turk

Found his hairlessness 'down there' a perk
He'd nary a louse
Nor leech, crab, nor mouse
And for her, no hirsute dental work!"

[Warren DeMontague]

492. you

are my hero

[Mojorabbit]

561. Well done! nt

[opiate69]

422. It's also an Islamic custom.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/5123

[MADem]

501. If the gentleman practiced Islam at some time during his life, that is common.

Turkish Army, or not. Same with women.

It's a cultural/Islamic thing--armpits, too in many cases. http://en.islamtoday.net/node/1129

[NYC_SKP]

410. Maybe we could merge this post with the Kudzu thread for an all time killa thread!

It's not like Kudzu and wild random feral pubes don't have a lot in common...

Just a thought.

[appal_jack]

412. I'm against herbicides in both cases... n/t

[nebenaube]

467. Wild random feral pubes...

love that, fact is when you're olde that shit is long and course, it doesn't reduce friction it creates it. Where do you thing 'got a hair up your ass?' came from.

[NYC_SKP]

468. I got random feral pubes COMING OUT MY EARS!!!1!!!

[cash__whatiwant]

411. I am not understanding the "10 year old"

girl arguments. GAWD! Can someone not have preferences? Because you don't wan to grow a national forest, you're trying to look like a 10 year old girl?

And maybe you don't want your partner to get hairs in their teeth.

[kwassa]

432. as several others have pointed out ...

If you get hairs in your teeth, you aren't doing it right.

[mythology]

608. Not necessarily

It depends on a multitude of factors including the amount of hair and where else one might wish to touch in that general vicinity.

But even if you were right, being wrong about that is a hell of a lot better than calling people pedophiles.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

417. Funny, lots of condemnation being thrown around.

I always thought that Democrats were the tolerant party when it came to other people's sexual tastes.

[Jack Sprat]

420. Most illuminating post and an all-time great.

Look at the responsiveness. This may outnumber the circumcision/pro and con debates.

[Xipe Totec]

426. It makes scents... nt

[riverbendviewgal]

429. Let's retire this thread.

It is exciting as 50 Shades of Grey....DUH!!!!

[NYC_SKP]

430. I'm glad you posted this Salon article. I'm a little fuzzy on the topic.

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[Xithras]

434. People who think this is "new" or from "porn" are clueless. It's gone back and forth for millenia.

The aspects of the pure body, as relayed by Muhammad:

A trimmed mustache.
A full beard.
A clean mouth
A rinsed nose.
Trimmed nails.
Washed hands.
Plucked armpits.
Shaved genitals.
Private parts cleaned and rinsed with water.


Observant Muslims have been shaving their genitals since the 7th century. The Muslims, in turn, adopted the practice from much older cultures. We know that Egyptian women were shaving themselves bald 4000 years ago, and the ancient Greeks considered women who had pubic hair to be unclean and ugly. The Romans, who coexisted with the dawn of Islam, didn't give shaving a second thought, and all but the poorest women began plucking as soon as they hit puberty. The Crusades and Islamic Andalusia revived the practice in Europe, and it was relatively common during the Renaissance. There are even castles in Europe that have "ladies shaving rooms", built especially for this purpose.

Pubic shaving died out in the west centuries ago during the religious wars, when some of the more zealous Christian leaders decided that it wasn't a "Christian" practice. In fact, during the Spanish Inquisition, shaved genitals were considered to be evidence that you were a Muslim. It's easy to see why it went out of fashion.

Ironically, pubic shaving has been a standard for most of human history for a relatively simple and straightforward reason...sanitation. Lice can't live where there's no hair. Dirt and dust has a harder time building up too. Cleanly shaven genitals are easier to clean, which is why humans have engaged in the practice practically back to the beginning of recorded history.

Personally, I just like the feel of it. I can't imagine myself furry.

[kwassa]

455. The current shaving fashion is derived from the porn industry, however. Porn sets a fashion trend!

I think this is hilarious. All the hygiene talk is about a non-existent problem; lice would be just as much a problem in the hair on the head of the men and women, and they didn't shave there.

[riderinthestorm]

462. Muhammed actually WAS a pedophile. You don't want to go there.

Also, you provide absolutely ZERO evidence to back up anything you've written.

If people had lice anywhere on their body, why didn't everyone shave their heads as well? Lice are just as irritating and unsightly living on their head or armpits.

[hifiguy]

473. Ancient Egyptians shaved their bodies

and heads for that very reason. This is a very old practice.

[riderinthestorm]

477. You have no evidence of that. Please provide original source material nt

[hifiguy]

481. Well, the elite classes did. One need only reference the paintings in tombs

King Tut's for one. Check out some mummies in the Cairo Museum. And account for the many wigs found in excavated tombs. That's about as back-to-the-source as it can get. Ancient Egyptian history has been an interest of mine for more than 40 years. Google is your friend.

[riderinthestorm]

484. But as has already been demonstrated on this very thread, even old paintings are deceptive

Some things are painted in those old paintings that aren't/weren't true.

As a farmer/working class person, I'm so damn tired/busy/old/uninterested/broke to even imagine worrying about pubic hair (besides I'm european as I've already said so I've never shaved any part of my body, ever). As a connoisseur of lovers in my younger days (my husband as well), this never came up. My older (24 yr old) says the same. Hooking up never implies some kind of "hairiness test" before you're attracted. There's no " do you shave your armpits/chest/back/toes/genitals" kind of questioning before anyone shacks up or even after, if you have a long term relationship. However the person presented themselves at the start is who they are. You may have some kind of persuasive effect on some things if you're involved in the long run but honestly that's a negotiation, and if a long term relationship and whether your guy will go down on you revolves around genital hair, then maybe its not true?

If the 1% shave, does that a trend make? And if we ape THEM, what does that make us? Especially when it costs so much? (I have a 15 year old who seems to only work to pay for her trips to the salon for these services and the post-procedure necessities).

[opiate69]

474. A couple points then...

"If people had lice anywhere on their body, why didn't everyone shave their heads as well?"

1. Pubic lice and head lice are not the same insect.

2. Many actually did shave their heads as well. Such as ancient Egyptians.
"In ancient Egypt, depilation was commonly practiced to prevent infestation by lice. Typically, tweezers were used to pluck out individual hairs. In both Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, the removal of body and pubic hair may have been practiced among both men and women. It is represented in some artistic depictions of male and female nudity,[citation needed] examples of which may be seen in some red figure pottery of Ancient Greece on which both men and women were depicted without body or pubic hair."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glabrousness

[riderinthestorm]

479. I would stipulate that artists were in the privileged class

We have no actual archeaological or sociological evidence to support massive body and head shaving. "Art" has been notoriously fickle on this subject.

We can theorize that dinosaurs were also colored to match their environment, or that cats were also shaved in Egyptian households, or that Kalahari desert nomads used to wear clothes. But the facts remain we don't know the answers to any of those things. We can make unsupported statements til the cows come home but nobody knows. Really.


(Disclaimer: my daughter actually is a masters graduate in archaeology).



What we do know is that current data supports that American porn is having its impact on American cultural norms and that natural body hair is now somehow viewed as "nasty", "unclean" and a sex killer.

[opiate69]

486. You do realize we have more than just art to study, right?

I mean, archaeologists actually excavate entire cities -including the "working class" areas - and find countless artifacts from every day life, which in turn give us quite the reliable picture of life in antiquity.

[Xithras]

502. Lol. Touche.

Yeah, he probably wasn't the best example, but his personal proclivities don't change the fact that the the Sunan al Fitra directs the world 1.5 billion Muslims to shave their pubes, and has done so for about 1500 years.

As for the rest, I'm not an encyclopedia and DU isn't peer reviewed, so you can Google it just as easy as I can. I wouldn't say there's any 100% solid proof that people have always shaved their pubes, but there's rarely solid proof of anything in archaeology. You take bits and pieces and try to put together a tapestry using theory and educated guesses to fill in the rest. The evidence suggests, though admittedly does not prove beyond all doubt, that humans have been plucking their pubes pretty much since the dawn of history.

Quite frankly, though, I don't know that the history really matters all that much. If it's a style that people like, why does it matter where it originated? Baggy pants originated as a way to demonstrate sexual availability in prison. Few saggers care about that today. Body piercing was popularized in the west by punk rockers. Nowadays it's not uncommon to see tongue studs and nose piercings at country music concerts (and mohawks at NASA). Sometimes elements from subcultures simply spread, usually becoming disconnected from their origins in the process.

Even if you're right and vajayjay shaving came from porn (which it didn't...modern western shaving has actually been a progression over the past few decades as bikinis got smaller), I suspect that you'll find very few smooth women who do it to look like a porn star. My wife doesn't watch porn at all, and she's gone from a pencil thin line of hair in the mid 90's to nothing at all today. It was thin then to accomodate her bikini. It went away because she was tired of trying to shave it straight...it's easier to just take it all off. I shave because my wife talked me into trying it when I was 22, and I never went back. Since my wife prefers the hairless look, it's win-win.

[Mojorabbit]

562. I am not sure that is true

(the part about bikinis) I was a teen in the 70s when there were really small bikinis and it was not a trend then nor in the 80s. At least not among any women friends I had... nor was there any real advertising about shaving or grooming that area that I recall.

[ElboRuum]

436. This... this thread...

So epic... no words... should have sent... a poet...

[leftstreet]

438. Over 11,000 views. Whose hair-brained idea was this? n/t

[Scuba]

447. I'm so sorry.

[pokerfan]

439. ...

[spin]

443. +1000 (n/t)

[NYC_SKP]

445. I'm in the weeds in this thread, can't see the forest for the shrubbery, why, I'm bushed...

....just reading through it.

Best line evah: "The chicks like my junk."

[steve2470]

448. hate to be a buzzkill, but is anyone else's browser freezing up on this thread ?

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I'm trying to wait till it loads 100% before I scroll, etc.

eta: never mind, it was my browser.

[DainBramaged]

449. This thread mocks DU.

and you all took the bait.

[NYC_SKP]

461. It probably does, DB, but is that a bad thing?

Look, we just got off a weekend frakkin Paul Ryan VP announcement that, if it was all I could think about, would make me crazy.

Sure, this could be in the lounge but the membership is blowing off some steam while the actual world is going through it's post-Olympic, fresh VP announcement, calisthenics and brain-shiftings.

Sure, it mocks DU, but then DU mocks culture so why not?

Glad to see you here!

[Snarkoleptic]

450. Sometimes carpet/drapes matching is a moot point.

Especially when there's tile rather than carpet.

[NYC_SKP]

472. I'm stealing your cat shit.

It's stolen.

[Snarkoleptic]

512. The cat is hypnotic when done in pairs.

I had two of them on screen, but had to go back to one.

[Jack Sprat]

453. Just one more word before it closes out.

On behalf of the hairy beavers, I'm for you. Always have been....always will be.

Now...let's end on that note, if that's all right.

[MrMickeysMom]

460. Boy... this thread was great!

I'm so happy I haven't given a crap about this in YEARS.

One thing about shaving... You'll never have to prove you natural hair color, eh?

[Joe Shlabotnik]

478. I worked for a rather ribald elderly Ukrainian lady who owned a salvadge yard

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once before, and she laughed it all off, stating that IT ALL JUST FELL OUT anyway, in the shower a few years prior. Half of us gagged, and the other half (gold digging near retirees) cozied up to her more. But that was a weird company.

I'm still stuck with her visual description though Not the way I tend to think of the issue.

[yawnmaster]

464. sometimes I miss the 70's eom

[flamingdem]

488. PHOTO OF THE DAY!!!

[uponit7771]

508. lol

[dogknob]

490. "Pubies wil make them sleeeep!" EDIT: FIVE-FUCKING-HUNDRED?!? REALLY?

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[Warren DeMontague]

497. Someone has to do it:

[Monk06]

499. Pubic hair, God's way of telling you that the seventies are over. Also chest, leg and knuckle hair.

I used to be at the top of the style in the seventies. Now the young uns look at me like I was a silver back that escaped from the zoo.

[Recovered Repug]

500. I seen a number of threads about the right to keep and bear arms,

but this is the first about the right to keep bare beavers.

[Ter]

503. Whoever wrote that was likely an old fart

Even a single pubic hair is one too many.

[nadine_mn]

504. I find the fact that some posters require shaved or not shaved partners

To be weird. Thankfully I am older so I missed the whole shaving fad...my spouse loves me and I love him regardless of how much hair. I always hated the look of men with hairy backs, and then the first time my future spouse took of his shirt...holy Sasquatch!

But, that didn't dampen my attraction for him one bit. In the summer he sometimes shaves his privates...just to be cooler. It was kind of a shock at first...but again I love him so whatever.

I just can't imagine dating someone and then when it came time to get intimate take a look at your parthner's privates and say either shave it or grow it.

[chknltl]

507. KnR

Bookmarked too of course.

[Scuba]

534. ROFLMAO

[chknltl]

544. wouldn't be a proper DU thread without a KnR

And one should always bookmark the important stuff.

[SnohoDem]

510. Grow 'em

trim 'em, shave 'em. I don't give a rat's ass!

But keep 'em off my Coke can!

-Slappy

[GoneOffShore]

517. FTW!

[pokerfan]

535. ...

I want long, straight, curly, fuzzy, snaggy, shaggy, ratty, matty
Oily, greasy, fleecy, shining, gleaming, streaming, flaxen, waxen
Knotted, polka dotted, twisted, beaded, braided
Powered, flowered and confettied
Bangled, tangled, spangled and spahettied

[steve2470]

511. my take on this, in this soon-to-be-legendary thread

It's personal preference. If two people agree on it, wonderful.

I've never thought of shaved/waxed adult females as "kids". I do respect those
who are repelled by this practice, however.

Hat tip to the posters who brought historical data into this thread. It was quite
educational.

[joeglow3]

514. This is clearly a generational thing

My wife works in an OB/GYN clinic and there is a CLEAR line. Those about 45 and over rock the amazonian bush and those under 45 prefer the clean look. Clearly, there are exceptions, but the rule still stands. This is no different than old people complaining about anything else "those young people" do. They will pass on and the trend will most likely continue.

[Liberal_in_LA]

521. This is the biggest thread I've ever seen.

[Mosby]

525. Wow - this thread is epic

Regarding the topic, I think it's weird that women today are trying to make themselves look like prepubescent children, though I have to admit I do appreciate a little trimming especially around the sides.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

527. I'm bullish on pubic hair. It's going places.

nt

[hifiguy]

532. I just had a thought. People get effing tattoos on their faces

which can only be removed through costly and painful surgery. This is, to my way of thinking, imbecility on a truly epic and indescribable scale. What's the big deal with shaving body hair? It will always grow back if you let it. It's not exactly a permanent modification to one's self. So exactly what is all the hubbub about, bub?

[opiate69]

537. good point.

Sadly though, some people just can`t resist the compulsion to moralize about what other people do with their naughty bits.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

533. I've known some Asian young ladies who had almost none

and 'yes, of course' they were fully grown adult young ladies. They had very little body hair anywhere, even under their arms, except for thick black hair on their heads. And I noticed this on two acquaintances in my past so I don't think it was a physiological anomaly involving just one individual. One volunteered to me that she never shaved "down there" and it was still pretty sparse and light.

[yawnmaster]

538. Why is this thread still going!?!! eom

[Scuba]

539. Beats me.

[yawnmaster]

545. I don't get it either, but someone just keeps kicking it to the top...

what's up with that??

[warrprayer]

540. At this stage of the game

I can't afford to be particular.

[Warren Stupidity]

546. I shave my pubic hair at olive garden while breast feeding and smoking.

[yawnmaster]

547. Are you serious??? I don't think they allow smoking there. eom

[Warren Stupidity]

565. They do if you are circumcised.

[tjwash]

548. kudzu has been replaced by pubic hair

[Enrique]

587. oh god

that creates a disturbing image

[Bonobo]

549. The most disturbing thing to me here...

is the judgmental, oppressive, intolerant attitude displayed.

I never asked my wife to shave her legs or her pubes but even if I had, why the fuck does anyone here think they have the right to make judgments?

I see a puritanical attitude displayed by many here and couched in the form of "feminist" ideas. If people like rubbing their orifices together without pubes in the way, how the hell can you extrapolate any more from that than that it is their personal choice?

CHOICE. For those who want to dictate or cajole others into their narrow views, I say to hell with you. Let it rest.

[hifiguy]

574. There are a surprising number of people on the "left"

who are positively obsessed with what others do in private with their naughty bits. Not nearly as many as on the right but far more than I ever knew about before coming to DU a few years back (under another moniker for which I lost the password). And every last one of them couches their prudery and pecksniffery in exactly the clothing you mention. Because every act a human being performs is in some way political or oppressive. I laugh uproariouosly in their general direction. We hairless apes are an odd lot.

I don't even have a dog in the fight, so to speak. For years I was involuntarily celibate because of my Asperger's and my utter inability to deal with relationships other than arm's length friendship. Also, I really, really dislike being touched, which is also kind of an Aspie thing. I am old enough now that I just don't give a hoot anymore and am happily and voluntarily celibate.

[JackRiddler]

613. For puritanical attitude, see the first few responses.

Context.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

551. 550+ post and counting. Seriously?

Move on people. Some people shave/wax some don't. Big deal.

Really. I've known men and women who did so since the 1990's. This isn't some freakish "pedophilia" enabled conspiracy. It's a trend. Like anal bleaching.

If you do not choose to participate, fine. If you do, fine too.

It's not sexist. Both sexes think it's better to be bare currently.

It's not a sign society is ending. Get out of other people's underwear and move the hell on with your lives!

I still love you folks. But, seriously, this isn't the end all some people are making out it is. Really.

[Skittles]

552. there should be no choice

no pubic option!

[Rex]

553. .

[Lone_Star_Dem]

568. LOL!

Perfect!

Oh, hell. 568.

[undeterred]

610. Damn Obama for not even trying to get us the Pubic Option!

[kwassa]

581. An Islamic prince who loved pubic hair

This Beverly Hills mansion was extensively used in the Steve Martin movie "The Jerk". Not featured in the movie were the statues around the edge of the property painted in lifelike colors with pubic hair to match the head hair color. They were visible from Sunset as people drove past. I remember them well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_al_Fassi

Al Fassi's notoriety stems from his 1978 purchase (for $2.4 million in cash) of a 38-room white-stucco mansion on Sunset Bvld. in Beverly Hills, California which he promptly had painted pea green. Al Fassi further "embellished" his new home by having the Italianate statuary around the property painted in flesh tones, with any visible pubic hair also painted in appropriate colours. This raised the ire of almost everyone in Beverly Hills.

[yawnmaster]

591. I remember that, too. It was a fun time, and obviously from the 70's. eom

[klook]

601. Aw, dang - I thought this was gonna be another limerick. (n/t)

[kwassa]

612. you could write one ...

There was a Beverly Hills Prince,
Whose statues didn't give only hints,
.........................

[klook]

617. An Islamic Prince who loved pubic hair

Felt his statues were lacking in savoir-faire
So he daubed them with paint,
Causing neighbors to faint,
Did he win Yard of the Month? Not a prayer.

[kwassa]

618. Excellent!

[klook]

619. Hee hee, thanks for the nudge

Sorry I couldn't incorporate your opening...

Btw, I haven't read all these posts (by a long shot), but I think there is room for a bit of hai(r)ku, too.

[TrogL]

563. OK, my boyfriend wanted me to stop shaving anyway. Now I know why

[Taverner]

564. Wait, shaving pubic hair is a "new thing"???

Oh OK, I'll get off your lawn

[yawnmaster]

597. I'm waiting now for "merkins" to make a comeback! eom

[4th law of robotics]

573. We have foreskins for a reason

and yet people seem overwhelmingly ok with removing those for cultural or aesthetic reasons.

And your hair at least grows back.

[Scuba]

575. Excellent point.

[JackRiddler]

590. And it is a violation for adults to cut those of infants.

Why are you starting this here? Isn't it time for another 1000-post thread that starts with the astonishing rock-solid discovery that having half your penile skin removed at birth increases IQ and makes you a better athlete?

[4th law of robotics]

592. The thread deals heavily

with "unnatural" body modifications to improve looks.

Circumcision falls in that group.

But there seems to be broad support for it here (even without consent) whereas discussing adults shaving (or not) their pubic hair is extremely controversial.

Anyone who argues that shaving is wrong because it is unnatural must be up in arms about circumcision (hair grows back afterall and is done with consent).

But that doesn't seem to be the case.

It's a double standard that needs outing.

[LWolf]

576. Wow.

It's interesting to see this discussion resurrected; a year ago or so, some DUer told me that pubic hair was gross, he didn't want his teeth full of hair when he went down, etc..

I don't think DU needs to reach agreement; it should be an individual choice.

That said, I'll keep my hair, thanks. Those who don't like it don't have to go there.

[yawnmaster]

577. come on people! who keeps kicking this?! eom

[Skittles]

611. YOU WANT I SHOULD KICK YOUR KICKING ASS, YAWNMASTER?

LEMME AT YOU!

[yawnmaster]

616. wait, before you kick it, should I get a full Brazilian? eom

[GreenStormCloud]

582. My wife looks like a mature woman, and I am very happy with that.

If other couples are happy being trimmed, or even bald, then go for it. Please each other and not some magazine writer.

[LanternWaste]

583. Lot of hang-ups in this thread...

Lot of hang-ups in this thread. Lot of people worried about other people shaving or not shaving. Lot of people concerned about this "fad" too.

What interesting little lives many of us must have in order to entertain such imaginative correlations about why a person may or may shave, or merely enjoy the company of others who may or may not shave. One wonders what superb little fictional theories might arise if we find out someone else is different than we are on an individual level.


"Never did "get" this fad."
Not have I ever gotten the fad of tattoos or parachute pants-- but that's the beauty of humanity-- most people think differently than I do, and what a boring little existence it would be should we all like and dislike the same things...

Shall we next devolve into camps regarding the pros and cons of a mustache?

[fadedrose]

594. I guess there are so many replies is because we all have pubic hair

Not much else we have in common

[yawnmaster]

599. not all, some remove it, remember? eom

[yawnmaster]

600. 600? eom

[graywarrior]

596. I succumbed to clicking on this thread.

Maybe tomorrow I will actually read it.

[Sick of the GOP]

602. I like my pubic hair.

I like to make it into a mustache.

[flvegan]

604. The Aristocrats!

First time on DU3, deserving.

[msanthrope]

605. Posting on this thread so I can say I did.

But to each their own....

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

614. Good morning! It's a fine day to continue this discussion.

Way more interesting than Ryan's tax return, or the lack thereof. Or if he shaved the numbers a little to trim his tax burden. That topic gets way too tangled.

I wonder what Republicans are discussing this morning.

[VOX]

615. DU, Tackling The Big Issues, One Pube At A Time...

Keep on pluckin' !

[ellisonz]

620. Agreed. n/t

[SoapBox]

621. Blah, blah, blah...

What the hell is with people these days, that canNOT keep their snouts out of others crotches?

Butt out!

If I do...or do not want to trim, shave, BRAID, COLOR or whatever, my pubes...it's my business.

Sheesh...and if you are or are not groov'n on a sex partner that does or does not...move on.

Stupid.

[HopeHoops]

623. Oh Jesus H. fucking Christ on a pogo stick. 622 posts on a thread about pubic hair?

K&R, just because.

[renie408]

625. That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Only now it is 625. :) n/t

[tjwash]

624. ...

[Jamaal510]

626. No wonder why it itches every time I shave.

[whttevrr]

627. You're doing it wrong...

Two Words:

Duct Tape!

[Warren DeMontague]

628. ...a garnish?

[Polybius]

630. It seems to be making a comeback

That's rather unfortunate news. Thick eyebrows are big too.