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Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 08:38 PM Oct 2018

Kavanaugh hearings energizing Republicans BIG TIME

According the NPR, the Kavanaugh hearings are really energizing Republican voters. According to polls, the voter gap between Voting Democratic to voting Republicans has narrowed from 12 percentage points to 6.

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
4. I heard that from Repubs today but just the
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 08:44 PM
Oct 2018

opposite from Dems.

I think it is the old “we need a horse race” meme.


We still can’t take it for granted.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
6. They were always going to close the gap.
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 08:45 PM
Oct 2018

No matter WHAT happens with the Kavanaugh vote, GOP participation will go down.

If he gets in... they aren't angry assholes over having their Trump pick defeated.

If he doesn't get in... they are going to take it out on GOP congress people up for election (those weenies can't do what Trump and God have mandated!).

0rganism

(23,954 posts)
10. a D+12 is from Ipsos last week, D+6 from Marist yesterday
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 08:52 PM
Oct 2018

looking at the lineup at 538, Marist is more in line with the general average over the last few months -- a bit on the low side, and with relatively few respondents (probably so they could rush the poll result out quickly). Ipsos' D+12 looks more like an outlier, but their poll is nearly 3xpopulation of Marist's using likely voters.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

andym

(5,443 posts)
11. Believable
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 08:52 PM
Oct 2018

A large number of GOP supporters are obsessed with the Supreme Court. They disfavor expansion of civil rights strongly-- gay marriage etc. They really want to overturn Roe V Wade as well. It's probably one to the key reasons they vote for the GOP. The Kavanaugh situation must deeply bother them, even though Trump will just appoint another conservative in his stead, should the nomination fail.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
17. Nothing changes that dramatically that fast
Wed Oct 3, 2018, 09:22 PM
Oct 2018

We were never going to own a double digit generic edge. Always apply logic to polling. That's why I never hesitate to condemn polls that don't make a fleck of sense.

Nate Silver put out a very poor senate model about a month ago, one that gave Democrats a 34.3% chance at retaking the senate. That is the only thing I would quarrel with this cycle. That 34.3% was not real world and made no sense in relation to other mathematical models or the betting markets. Today that 34.3% on 538 is all the way down to 23.5%.

Fox News had a flurry of polls yesterday that were awful for our senate hopes, in particular the one with Bredesen trailing by 5 points. Most polls have had Bredesen leading, although he has always been the betting underdog. Fox polls are generally reliable, despite the network itself, and cannot be dismissed as biased. Nate Silver gives them an A rating.

This Kavanaugh stuff will settle and within a couple of weeks we'll know where we are. Everything tends to drift back to the beginning. That means virtually no chance at retaking the senate. Proper conventional wisdom entering this cycle was that Republicans would gain seats in the senate, given the terrain. I believe that is likely.

I check the House forecast on 538 multiple times per day. It is vital to keep that percentage at 75-80% and not drop toward 70% or below. I do believe we are in an American version of Shy Tory with right wingers less inclined to speak to pollsters. If there is a polling error it should be in that direction again. But as long as we maintain the 75-80% range even some polling error should narrowly allow the House to fall our way.

A party that relies on minorities, young voters and single women is not going to maximize potential in a midterm. That should be obvious from a big picture perspective from miles away. Those blocks simply do not vote in dependable numbers, regardless of anything that is happening politically.

I really wish we could switch more of these governorships to the presidential voting year and not the midterm. IMO, our party would benefit from that change more than anything else I can think of.

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