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NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 12:39 AM Oct 2018

Things That Make You Gag

This week's most nausea-inducing GOP talking point is that the real issue with respect to the Kavanaugh debacle is Diane Feinstein not disclosing Christine Ford’s allegations sooner.

No need to go into why Feinstein did what she did when she did it – we all know that story.

In light of the seriousness attached to elevating a man to the Supreme Court, a lifetime appointment that will affect jurisprudence for decades, when and how serious allegations against him surfaced is not, and should not be, even a topic of conversation at this particular point in time.

If the Republicans want to scold the Democrats, that’s their prerogative. But you do that after you deal with the obviously more important issue: a nominee for the highest court in the land has been accused of a violent sexual assault.

This is akin to having your son arrested for a crime, and all you can talk about when you get to the police station is how sloppy the arresting officer’s incident report is. ”Let’s not discuss what my kid is charged with. Let’s talk about why he was arrested at 10 p.m. and I wasn’t notified until 10:45.”

Would that be the reaction of any parent in that situation? Would you start threatening to sue the police department for wrongful arrest before finding out what your son was arrested for, and how strong the evidence against him is?

The Republicans are free to rake Feinstein over the coals – but they’re doing it not in conjunction with fully investigating the allegations against Kavanaugh, but in place of it. They have demonstrated that they have zero interest in uncovering the truth about their nominee, and have reduced themselves to whining about what Feinstein knew and when she knew it, as opposed to making any effort to find out whether the man they want on the SCOTUS just might not belong there.

Innocent men don’t refuse an investigation that could serve to prove their innocence. And a party that actually believes their man to be innocent doesn’t go to such extraordinary lengths to make sure the truth never comes out.

I’ve said it before. It’s the GOP, and Kavanaugh himself, who have convinced me of his guilt beyond any doubt.

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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
1. How low can we go as a countfy?
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 01:52 AM
Oct 2018

The President of the United States, who gleefully boasted about sexual assault among co-workers in private and Howard Stern's audience in public, appeals to the women of the nation in the last 24 hours by insulting a professional correspondent ("you never think" ), diminishing the threat on teenage women by ignoring the near epidemic levels of assault on young women by lamenting on the nearly non-existent false accusation against young males, and reaching into his back of tricks to recreate his demonically demented mimicking of the innocent (think of the handicapped reporter routine) to brutally and falsely attack Dr. Ford at a rally that Joseph Goebbels would have found thrilling in its recreating of the Über passion of the crowd filled with hate and devotion to the Führerprinzip incarnating the Fuhrer Principle (the Führer's word is above all written law).

Wonder what Ivanka's response is to this 24 attack on women, support of attackers of women and elevation of an attempted rapist to the Supreme Court. She was there to lead on women's issues wasn't she.

What can follow this? An attack on Heller Keller as "not so talented", Anne Frank as "not a great writer really", Eleanor Roosevelt as a "busy body" and a wistful admiration for woman like Martha Washington?

On November 6th we will either experience our finest hour or the bitterest realization that the United States has begun a multi election embrace of a cult of hate.

The nausea you have captured so well will either be swept aside or we will be gasping for clean air.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
2. Oh, I so agree with everything you've said.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 02:28 AM
Oct 2018

My only quibble would be "we as a country" having sunk so low.

As a nation, we haven't. It is only the Trump-humpers who are on board with any of this.

They have ignored logic in order to embrace the illogical. They have eschewed their own principles in order to cling to the unprincipled. They have abandoned their Christian faith in order to worship the Golden (Orange) Calf. They have ignored the truth in order to defend lies.

They are stupid enough to believe in a snake-oil-selling flim-flam man - and too stupid to understand that they are being had by a professional con-artist.

They are NOT US. They are a minority - a group of whinging idiots who will do anything they're told to do, and will believe anything they're told to believe.

We are living in the time of the Walking Brain-Dead. They are no more representative of who we are as a country than rabid dogs are representative of millions of household canine pets.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
3. Dick Gregory had a brutally honest riff about the Selma, Alabama 16th Street Baptist Church bombing
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 03:00 AM
Oct 2018

It went something like this:



"The regular members of the Selma KKK say, 'it wasn't us it was those radical nut jobs' that go crazy when they drink'.

The white folks in Selma say, it wasn't the white people in Selma it was those idiots in sheets.

The rest of Alabama say, 'wasn't us it was those idiots in Selma' and the people outside of Alabama south of Mason/Dixon could be heard to say it 'wasn't us everybody knows that Alabamians always go way over the line and use a bomb when a little Jim Crow will keep everything in order and the way it should be. You don't need to bomb a church and kill little girls.'

Northerners and Westerners shake their heads and moan about how 'it wasn't them it was those bigoted southerners'.

Now the Canadians would say, 'We can't explain it, we're Canadians', and well THEY would be right.'"



I think he is right. We have to own the bad if we are going to take credit for the good. What makes this so antagonizing is that this is the same country that elected President Obama to two terms, and yes I know we won the election by 3 million votes, but that is the brutal reality, we should have won by 20 million. The US is a country that has tens of millions of people that are motivated by racial and religious hatred with persistent and chronic case of victimization which goes back to its founding.


Silver Gaia

(4,544 posts)
4. Yes. Thank you, Nance.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 03:13 AM
Oct 2018

I agree with every word, and want you to know I am stealing "the Walking Brain-Dead." Perfect.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
8. The anology doesn't work, for the very reason you state: the serious of the Supreme Court.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 03:05 PM
Oct 2018

Your kid getting arrested isn't everything. Getting this idiot confirmed IS everything; owning the Supreme Court is EVERYTHING. If this was President Clinton's nominee, and especially if I felt that we might lose our chance to get another nominee confirmed before January, I would be calling my Senators asking them to fight tooth and nail. Threaten lawsuits. Get anyone and everyone to say anything that needs to be said.

They are processing this nominee without even a shred of integrity, and I'm not a bit surprised. The Supreme Court is EVERYTHING.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
9. The analogy works just fine ...
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 05:32 PM
Oct 2018

... the point being that when faced with serious charges, a reasonable person would deal with those charges first, and not go off on a tangent about the process that led to those charges being made.

The Republicans have focused their attention on the timing of Feinstein's actions, while giving scant attention to dealing with the allegations against Kavanaugh, and the necessity of investigating their validity.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
10. His lack of restraint re drinking may shorten his tenure.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 06:21 PM
Oct 2018

And we may find Gorsuck did a deal illegally with drumph.

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