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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsImagine what's going thru Chief Justice Roberts' mind
about now...
The Court is going to become the subject of public protest, vilification, accusations of harboring a drunken criminal sex abuser who should be on the list of offenders.
Everywhere the right-leaning justices go, people will scream and shout and disrupt.
We are in a Civil War and the battles will be fought in public spaces like restaurants, hotels, ballparks, and the like.
He cannot be pleased about this.
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)I did use the word drunken.
Freddie
(9,265 posts)I know he wanted to maintain the dignity of the court but his party is totally responsible for the death of that dignity.
Roberts did save the ACA though.
at140
(6,110 posts)He did not want to become known as the justice who demolished ACA and take all the incoming.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)to come out and vote in 2012. He knew that if the "repeal and replace" battle cry was removed, the Republicans and Mitt Romney would lose a valuable chip in voter turnout. After all, he already knew he crippled the ACA already by destroying the Medicaid expansion.
at140
(6,110 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)He won't want to become the justice who demolished a woman's right to choose. AND take all the incoming. And remember, since he's chief justice, this court under his leadership is referred to and known as The Roberts Court. I'm not convinced he wants his name attached to something THAT divisive.
at140
(6,110 posts)Kava is being pushed to protect the orange menace more than anything else. The Mueller noose is getting tighter around the orange neck.
There were more pure pro-lifers available than Kava on tRumps list if the main goal was to overturn Roe Vs Wade.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)of his legacy and bend over backward to be more liberal in his decisions to contradict the expectations of what is coming next?
I don't have an understanding of what kind of guy he is. Anyone think he might go this route? Or is he someone who will think the fascism we fear is a great thing?
rurallib
(62,416 posts)The part of the ACA that he upheld I always thought was a vote to try to preserve his legacy.
Unfortunately since then it has been pretty much nothing.
Roberts is a Republican soldier - wasn't he the leader of the "Brooks Brothers" protests in Florida? - and my feeling is that he has settled comfortably back into that role.
I am not a deep in the woods Court watcher - just my impressions.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)Sometimes as years go by justices seem to change. We shall see. When FDR tried to add justices to the SC, it didn't work out. Then when it looked like Social Security would go down, two repub SC justices changed their minds and voted to save it. We the people must fight like hell and vote in November.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)He may try to figure out ways to align with the more liberal wing on some cases by cobbling together majorities that dont include Kavanaugh or at least move closer to them to distance himself from him.
Read The Brethren ...
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Justice Stevens was put on the Supreme Court by Gerald Ford and ended up being a true hero for liberals. Maybe Roberts will do the same. I doubt it but there's always hope.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But he definitely doesn't want to be a Kavanaugh and I suspect - hope - that he'll want to keep his distance if at all possible. And since he can't go to the right of him, the only safe place to go is further left. I'm not expecting him to go to the other end of the spectrum, but even a little bit of give would be better than where he is now.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Remember this is the guy who gave corporations legal "personhood".
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The court will move even further to the right.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)I may just be wishful hoping but of all the Republican appointed and/or shoved down our throats justices I think he's the closest to center, plus there's that all important legacy thing. I wish I could remember which cases but he's surprised me a few times so who knows, we might see him become the swing vote to compensate.
Like I said, 'wishful hoping' but hope is still what keeps me going these days.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Voted for was to save the ACA. Every other time he has gone along.
shanny
(6,709 posts)It is true that he voted not to overturn the ACA--given the way it was framed, doing so would have been a blatantly partisan move. That didn't bother the other 4 conservative justices but Roberts is more concerned about appearances and legitimacy.
However, it was Roberts, alone, who inserted the poison pill of optional Medicaid expansion, which dramatically weakened the bill and limited its popularity in red states...making it less effective and more vulnerable to repeal.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)We are screwed. Folks who didn't think the SC was important, will see very soon how wrong they were.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Silver Gaia
(4,544 posts)Hope is my fuel these days, too.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)Why do people expect a republican to care or do the right thing? Roberts is an asshole. He worked for Renquist, a guy that spent his pre-court career trying to keep black people from voting. Roberts said we didn't need to renew the civil rights act because racism was a thing of the past. He's a racist asshole.
PCIntern
(25,550 posts)for whatever reason he did that.
I'm not saying he's doing this for US, I stated that he's doing it for HIMSELF and the institution which he presides over, and thus his reputation.
BumRushDaShow
(129,017 posts)Commerce Clause and to give him cover to torpedo Section IV of the Voting Rights Act, where he wrote the majority opinion (PDF), which in turn automatically invalidated Section V of the VRA.
Woodycall
(259 posts)it benefited a company or companies that he had a financial interest in. These people are bad people. When we dare to hope otherwise, we are just projecting what a good person would do upon them. We think that deep inside that everyone has at least a shred of decency so that's what we project. Just like they think that everyone lies and is out to cheat and steal from them. It's almost a form of anthropomorphism.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)"It's almost a form of anthropomorphism" ... yeah ... it really is.
Woodycall
(259 posts)I for one will never be led down that path of misplaced hope and trust again. Republicans have shown time and time again that they are practically a different species than us. It's like an Eloi hoping a Morlock will do the right thing. It aint gonna happen.
PCIntern
(25,550 posts)but my OP was not extolling the virtues of Roberts: it was simp[ly saying that this is what he might be thinking. I didn't say that he would rule to the Left because of this. Just that it was disruptive....
Woodycall
(259 posts)but what flames me anymore is this - right now I'm listening to some pundit on Mourning Joe say that the democrats just don't have a "feeling" for the middle class white people that are living from paycheck to paycheck and have economic anxiety about this and that. Bullshit! I worked with (construction), and know many of these people and they are (mostly) 1. ignorant (and yes, dumb) 2. belligerent 3. easily fooled (see #1) 4. low moral character in general 5. selfish (always worried and crying that someone is getting something that they're not getting and so forth). 6. racist The reason that Trump appeals to these people is not their effing "economic anxiety". They're just stupid, selfish, lying, racist assholes just like him. Sorry. Kind of drifted off Roberts but I have no mercy for and will give no quarter to these people anymore. None of them.
PCIntern
(25,550 posts)Sick of the whole lying bunch of hypocrites
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Raster
(20,998 posts)get the red out
(13,466 posts)But I admit, I do catch myself hoping some R has a shred of dignity and concern for the country, I know better, but for some reason I keep hoping for it. But it is highly unlikely.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)I gave up seeing any decency in any of them except for the speeches Flake has given on the Senate floor against TrumPutin. That's less than a shred of concern, IMO.
BTW, and OT, I just used your pseudonym in a reply to another thread without realizing someone was using the phrase, "get the red out". It seems like a good battle cry for the midterms.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)I keep hoping we someday GET THE RED OUT of here in Kentucky! Or at least have a D representative from the 6th district. R's suck especially badly here.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)KY here, too. Almost 80% red where I live.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)THIS .....
And if Dems ever get the Senate back again, they'd BETTER put a liberal justice up there, and not let thuglicans scare them into NOT doing so.
Notice I said IF, because who knows what tRump will do if he loses the House this fall. He may choose to nullify the whole damn thing, and say China helped Dems win, so I'm leaving things as they are. It's not like he and his treasonous thuglicans won't lie, cheat, steal and turn into human ruskie nesting dolls to get their way.
Okay, let me calm down
NeverTrumpDemocrat
(48 posts)when he could have an Amy Coney Barrett.
Lets assume that Roberts is thirsting to remake Constitutional law, withdraw the right to gay marriage, end Roe v. Wade, roll back civil rights, etc., her vote would be just as good as Kavanaugh's!
And a vote from Amy rather than Bart would make it so much easier for even a very political and partisan court to continue to appear judicious and respectable and retain the public's confidence.
There's no upside for Roberts in Kavanaugh.
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)I have no sympathy for him or any of the other fuckers who ruled in favor of Citizens United and againt the Voters right act. I will save my sympathy for those who suffer because of his "leadership"
PCIntern
(25,550 posts)I simply said he cannot be pleased to have a lightning rod in his chambers. The less attention these guys get, the happier they are.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Roberts is a conscientious partisan, in that he wants the Court to stay above the fray even though he hasnt been able to do much of anything tangible to put it there, not least through his own rulings. With Kavanaugh, this task becomes certifiably hopeless. Good Mother Jones article on that here:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/10/john-roberts-has-tried-to-keep-the-supreme-court-above-the-partisan-fray-kavanaugh-could-undo-all-that/
FromTheAshes
(128 posts)Lars39
(26,109 posts)will try to browbeat the female justices, who I dont see taking any of his shit.
Going to be a very tense court.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Courts depend on legitimacy to command respect for their rulings. This is a savage blow to the Supreme Courts power and respect. A vocal, angry, entitled drunk political hack is the worst choice for a Justice.
Everything Trump touches he destroys yet it was the GOP that really destroyed the Court through the workings of the turtle.
shanny
(6,709 posts)The Court destroyed itself through Bush v Gore. A blatantly partisan decision that resulted in the first stolen election, and two stolen seats that should have been Gore's to appoint (Roberts and Alito).
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Citizens United is the progeny of the Bush 2 Court. You can make an argument that the Bush 2 Court destroyed the political system based on that case.
keithbvadu2
(36,806 posts)Nevilledog
(51,104 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)for a while. The Mediocre Court is a more accurate description. Any governing body with Clarence Thomas on it can only be mediocre at best.
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)3Hotdogs
(12,382 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)After all, this IS what is widely referred to as the Roberts Court.
My son whos getting into watching politics theorized that it may move John Roberts to side more often with the liberals on the court, just to try to blunt all the shitty PR thats begun to come the Courts way.
Nice thought but I know better than to bet on it.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)kairos12
(12,861 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)...as responsible for this as any MAGA. Really. Trump is what Citizen's United has wrought. If you break Democracy, then anything can rush in---and it has.
You can bet he loves tax breaks for the rich, De Vos, the Mercers, the Kochs. The roots of this monstrous thing are very gnarly.
budkin
(6,703 posts)Brett is a W guy, just like him.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Only if we take the House will he begin to worry. But today that ghoul is anticipating the right wing agenda sailing through American life.
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)Now he'll have another.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)as a fellow justice because they are likely kindred spirits.
And who are these people who will follow Roberts to restaurants to heckle him? Roberts will not suffer public humiliation, but Kavanaugh will; you are right about that.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,318 posts)and will be until one from one side gets replaced with one from the other. So he pretty much decides all the cases, possibly for a decade.
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)He's a Federalist Society POS just like Rapey Brett.
We no longer have a Supreme Court, we have a Federalist Society Court. Raper, Roberts, Gorsuch, Alito...all fucking Federalist Society fuckwads
Oh, BTW, so is the FBI Director and Deputy Attorney General
Calista241
(5,586 posts)friends. Probably like most Republicans, he's going to think these accusations are without merit.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)And I don't think the GOP are any better than him.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)at Georgetown Prep, someone who brought a lot of negative attention to their alma mater, join him on SCOTUS.