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Russian official linked to Natalia Veselnitskaya dead from helicopter crash. (Original Post) triron Oct 2018 OP
Your headline is wrong...he died IN a helicopter; didn't fall out. brooklynite Oct 2018 #1
brooklynite, truth be out saidsimplesimon Oct 2018 #3
Yep just an accident nothing to see here Mystery sage Oct 2018 #2
Putin is cleaning house! Iliyah Oct 2018 #4
Oh my - the spybabe who's on intimate terms with so many republicans Achilleaze Oct 2018 #5
Natalia, you better watch out!!! CharleyDog Oct 2018 #6
So sad... BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #7
At least he didn't fall of a balcony uponit7771 Oct 2018 #8
Nothing to see here. Run along. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #9
Vlad the impaler Blue Owl Oct 2018 #10
"crashed into a forest during an unauthorized flight in the Kostroma region hedda_foil Oct 2018 #11
Might just be an accident for real though.. EX500rider Oct 2018 #12
a possibility, yes SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #15
so... a deputy attorney general... who might've become a liability... "accidentally" dies? SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #13
or encouraged SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #14
Another on Putin's hit list? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 #16

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
3. brooklynite, truth be out
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 02:16 PM
Oct 2018

There is an evil voice in me that says I would love to push Czar Putin in front of a train.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
5. Oh my - the spybabe who's on intimate terms with so many republicans
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 02:17 PM
Oct 2018

republican-russian spybabe has a lot of dead pals.

Natalia Veselnitskaya

CharleyDog

(757 posts)
6. Natalia, you better watch out!!!
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 02:17 PM
Oct 2018

You might be next.

How many linked to the Trump/Russian election-stealing are dead?

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
11. "crashed into a forest during an unauthorized flight in the Kostroma region
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 03:06 PM
Oct 2018

What was he doing on an an unauthorized flight in the Kostroma region, northeast of Moscow? Making a run for it maybe?

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
12. Might just be an accident for real though..
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 03:14 PM
Oct 2018

...helicopters already have a higher crash rate then airplanes and Russian maintained and built ones even more so.

15. a possibility, yes
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 04:11 PM
Oct 2018

Russian planes and helos are more prone to failure than ours. But most of their pilots are good, given what they're working with.

I find it interesting the helo contained only the pilot, the Depty AG, and a single other passenger. That little collateral damage would be highly acceptable to Putin.

And unfortunately we'll never get to know the cause with any certainly. If this is the Kremlin's work, their aircraft crash investigation report will say whatever they want it to say. And over there of course there's no chance of an opposition party taking the legislature and forcing out truth. (Vote! Vote like American democracy depends on it!)


(Edit to add: When a helicopter is falling, it's generally safer to be in a helo than being in a falling plane... occupant survivability is higher. That's due to something called autorotation... the air thru the helo's long blades spin them even without power, which slows the rate of fall considerably, and the pilot does a last second yank on the controls that soften the impact further. If you're falling completely out of control, though, or, say, your pilot is for unexplained reasons incapacitated, yeah, you're about as fucked as in a crashing plane.)

13. so... a deputy attorney general... who might've become a liability... "accidentally" dies?
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 03:29 PM
Oct 2018

Hoping this isn't a suggestion from the Master to his adoring paduwan.

"As you see Donald, my authoritarian apprentice, you needn't always cause yourself trouble by removing a problem openly. Accidents... which cannot be attributed to you... can always happen in such an uncertain world as the one we live in. For example, look at my own deputy attorney general -- such a shame."

I mean, Trump already has a history of sending thugs who threatened bodily harm to multiple people or their families. Including a new mother. Does Vlad thinks it's time for Donny to take his next step?

Rod Rosenstein, maybe don't get into helicopters until your role in Trump-Russia is completely over? And, don't go out on high balconies. And, try to avoid plutonium-tipped umbrellas. And neurotoxin-sprayed doorknobs. Etc.


In light of everything else Trump's willing to do, I've wondered if and when this stuff actually starts happening here. So, I'm only half joking above. Maybe a little bit less than half.

14. or encouraged
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 03:48 PM
Oct 2018

In light of everything else Trump's been willing to do, or encourage.

He's given away his craving to see his followers/mobs physically punish people any number of times. But in particular I'm thinking of his unprompted public statement that if Hillary wins and appoints Scotus justices the rightwing doesnt want to tolerate, hey, the 2nd Amendment guys can always do something.

(And our country STILL electoralcolleged the baby Mussolini into office. **shudder**)

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