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kentuck

(111,104 posts)
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:22 AM Oct 2018

In my opinion, Trump is pulling for Kavanaugh to be defeated.

In the end, it is all about him.

And, in my opinion, he has come to the conclusion that if Kavanaugh wins confirmation to the Supreme Court, it will hurt Republican chances to keep the House and Senate. His most immediate concern at this time is to keep the Democrats from taking over the House.

He will be in better position to fan the flames of division if Kavanaugh is defeated. I think he has concluded that it is better for him if Kavanaugh is defeated, so that he can keep his base and supporters fired up for the mid-term elections.

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In my opinion, Trump is pulling for Kavanaugh to be defeated. (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2018 OP
I think you are overlooking the big Russian elephant in the room. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2018 #1
I believe he thinks he can control the Russian elephant so long as he controls the Congress.. kentuck Oct 2018 #4
Mueller is chopped liver? n/t rzemanfl Oct 2018 #5
Mueller fights for his life every day... kentuck Oct 2018 #6
If Kavanaugh gets confirmed NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #2
Oh, it goes way way deeper than that. lark Oct 2018 #3
That's not what Gamble would do. Nevilledog Oct 2018 #9
He will try to use either outcome to his advantage. ginnyinWI Oct 2018 #7
Ginny, you are correct.. kentuck Oct 2018 #11
Kentuck, you are right. Trump definitely wants to wave the Bloody Shirt for the mid terms. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #8
no way. still_one Oct 2018 #10

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
4. I believe he thinks he can control the Russian elephant so long as he controls the Congress..
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:34 AM
Oct 2018

...and the Republicans in Congress.

He fears what the Democrats might investigate and keep him from doing, in my opinion. If Democrats win, then he will worry about the Russian elephant.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
6. Mueller fights for his life every day...
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:49 AM
Oct 2018

...as does Rosenstein. Trump controls the Republicans and their agenda very well. He would not be so successful against a Democratic House or Senate, in my opinion.

With that said, he would prefer if Mueller would go away, in my opinion. But, without the Republicans to support his insanity, life can get much more difficult.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
2. If Kavanaugh gets confirmed
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:32 AM
Oct 2018

he'll tell his base that he's delivered two RW extremist SCOTUS judges and that they need to keep control of the House & Senate because Democrats will impeach him and Kavanaugh if they take over

lark

(23,121 posts)
3. Oh, it goes way way deeper than that.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:32 AM
Oct 2018

He thinks he HAS to have Kav on the court because of a case SCOTUS is taking up next week - think it's Monday. It's about pardons nd seeks to make federal pardons cover state charges and vice versa. drumpf needs this or NY will take all his $$. He knows he's cheated by some 550 million and can't afford that kind of loss, he knows he's a criminal and NEEDS his get out of jail free card so he can pardon Manafort, Ivanka, Jared & himself of both state and federal charges. That is the one reason they are pushing so hard to have this completed so Kav cn sit in on that case & throw it drumpfa' way.

Nevilledog

(51,124 posts)
9. That's not what Gamble would do.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:52 AM
Oct 2018

Gamble was prosecuted as a prohibited possessor in state court. After that conviction the Feds prosecuted him for the same prohibited possession. One event, one gun, one day. Both convictions were based on one set of facts for crimes that have identical elements. Both sentences he received were ordered to run concurrently. However, under federal sentencing guidelines, that sentences was 3 years longer than the state sentence.

The double jeopardy clause is ostensibly to protect someone from receiving separate punishments for the same action, or to be tried again after an acquittal. The prosecution in a single jurisdiction could not decide to retry someone after they were acquitted hoping the next jury would convict. In practical terms, the type of successive prosecutions in Gamble are not very common. If the Feds want to prosecute someone, states are usually more than happy to let someone else pick up the tab for prosecution and incarceration.

Gamble has zero to do with pardons. The state will always have the ability to charge someone for a state crime that is not identical in elements and events. Say someone is convicted for federal money laundering by funneling money through company A. Pardon of that offense would not keep a state from then prosecuting for money laundering pursuant to state law for funneling money through company B.

The only way trump could keep a person from being prosecuted for a state crime would be to issue a pardon saying Person X is preemptively pardoned for every possible federal crime committed at any time, anywhere, so long as the Fed. Crime is identical in elements and proof. Pretty fucking sure that would never happen. Even if he could do that, there are uniquely state based offenses no federal pardon would protect you from......for example, a pardon for evading federal taxes would never keep a state from prosecuting evading state taxes.

The amicus briefs filed in this case are pretty interesting, I urge people to read them all.
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/gamble-v-united-states/


(Reposting what I wrote in another thread)

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
7. He will try to use either outcome to his advantage.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:49 AM
Oct 2018

He's a con and a manipulator and a liar. He will always be seeking to turn everything to his advantage. Must be very convenient to have no moral core.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
11. Ginny, you are correct..
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:01 AM
Oct 2018

He is a con and he will try to turn everything to his advantage, no matter which way the vote goes.

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