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Will Manchin lose support among Democrats in his state with a yes vote? (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Oct 2018 OP
That Is My Prediction LandOfHopeAndDreams Oct 2018 #1
Manchin needs to go ProudLib72 Oct 2018 #2
+++++++++++ HAB911 Oct 2018 #4
+1 Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #5
We Need Manchin! PBC_Democrat Oct 2018 #6
I agree with you 100%... lame54 Oct 2018 #7
Maybe we can't elect a liberal, but we can elect a moderate that acts like a Dem. Blue_true Oct 2018 #10
Preferably a union man or woman Jane Austin Oct 2018 #29
Yeah, I think so. nt Blue_true Oct 2018 #31
Yeah, so that some time in the future he might do something right ProudLib72 Oct 2018 #15
I'm all about supporting conservative Dems so we'll have them on important vites EffieBlack Oct 2018 #20
The most important vote is for Majority Leader grantcart Oct 2018 #25
the important vote is for majority leader. JI7 Oct 2018 #28
The choice wasn't between Manchin and some real progressive. The choice was between pnwmom Oct 2018 #33
We need a person to vote with us luckykate54 Oct 2018 #35
+1000 EffieBlack Oct 2018 #19
The problem is that there aren't that many Democrats in WV. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #3
Democrats make up 49.9% of voters there. Blue_true Oct 2018 #13
Might lose the votes of the ones who have been sexually assaulted. Autumn Oct 2018 #8
Beto is pro-Kaepernick torius Oct 2018 #9
I agree. He's ahead in the polls and Kavanaugh is going to create obstacles Baitball Blogger Oct 2018 #11
Beto isn't ahead in TX dsc Oct 2018 #14
Beto is not ahead in texas and texas has minorities . west virginia is mostly white JI7 Oct 2018 #16
WV Dems leftynyc Oct 2018 #12
We need the jerk to win just to get the numbers. Vinca Oct 2018 #17
I think it'll hurt him, whereas he would have won easily otherwise. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #18
Of course n/t SoCalDem Oct 2018 #21
unlikely, it's a very red state which I'm sure they know JI7 Oct 2018 #22
Yes absolutely. Owl Oct 2018 #23
Likely, no Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2018 #24
It doesn't matter Dirty Socialist Oct 2018 #26
As soon as Kavanaugh is the deciding vote Jane Austin Oct 2018 #27
Democrats in WV are not base voters. brooklynite Oct 2018 #30
Trump won 68.5% of the vote there, more than 40% more than Hillary's 26.4. pnwmom Oct 2018 #32
I don't know that I'd be able to vote for him if he voted to confirm Kavanaugh. BigDemVoter Oct 2018 #34

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
2. Manchin needs to go
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 12:56 PM
Oct 2018

Voting 60% of the time with tRump does not make him a Dem by any stretch. If we cannot rely on him for this, the most important vote of his lifetime, why bother having him?

PBC_Democrat

(401 posts)
6. We Need Manchin!
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:44 PM
Oct 2018

Politics is a numbers games, we're seeing this in our inability to stop Kavanaugh.

To those who Sen. Manchin to go away - Just exactly who would you replace him with?

If you think that a true liberal can get elected in West Virginia - I'll take some of what you're having!

With Sen. Manchin, and hopefully a few more red state Ds, we control the committees and the agenda. If we lose them on a few votes once in awhile, I think it's a small price to pay to be in the majority.

Remember - his job is to represent the people of WV, who appear to be a pretty conservative group.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. Maybe we can't elect a liberal, but we can elect a moderate that acts like a Dem.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:20 PM
Oct 2018

We need to primary him in 2024, not with a wild eyed liberal, but with a moderate that has his or her foot on the ground.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
20. I'm all about supporting conservative Dems so we'll have them on important vites
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 03:38 PM
Oct 2018

But if they're never with us on important votes, what good are they to us?

We need to fight like hell to get enough Dems for a majority, and then to hell with Manchin. He's worthless. Actually he's even worse than worthless since, if he votes for Kavanaugh, we'll forever have to listen to Trump and his cabal bleat that he was confirmed "by a bipartisan majority."

If he can't be with us when it matters, screw him.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
25. The most important vote is for Majority Leader
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 03:47 PM
Oct 2018

Everything else is inconsequential.

If we controlled the Senate would Kavanaugh be confirmed?

If Manchin votes yes will it make any difference?

I am working my %%% of for Kristen Sinema. The only reason we have a chance is because she votes like Manchin.

On 2 years we could get another Democratic Senator from AZ, but it will another Manchin.

Oh and BTW all of the volunteers are way to the left of Sinema and we all understand why she votes that way.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
33. The choice wasn't between Manchin and some real progressive. The choice was between
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 04:50 PM
Oct 2018

Manchin (or someone like him) and a Trumper.

Trump won more votes in W VA than in any other state : 68.5.
Hillary won 26.4

That's what we're up against in W VA.

torius

(1,652 posts)
9. Beto is pro-Kaepernick
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:19 PM
Oct 2018

And he’s ahead in Texas. Manchn is way ahead in West Virginia. He can afford to vote no. He is running on healthcare and Kava wants to take healthcare away. All of Kava’s decisions will harm West Virginia. The people there do not know any better, most will not holdd it against him, and they need to be protected from the brainwashing messages of Trump.
If Manchin sells them out he should just become a Republican.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
11. I agree. He's ahead in the polls and Kavanaugh is going to create obstacles
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:20 PM
Oct 2018

to the social programs that WVirginians need.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
17. We need the jerk to win just to get the numbers.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 03:29 PM
Oct 2018

On the other hand, if it looks like the Senate won't be won this time around, I wouldn't cry many tears if he lost. He's more Republican than Democrat.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
24. Likely, no
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 03:46 PM
Oct 2018

He is as well as the Democrats can do in West Virginia at this time. I get that progressives outside the state dislike him. I'd ask them to consider that half a loaf is better than none.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
32. Trump won 68.5% of the vote there, more than 40% more than Hillary's 26.4.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 04:48 PM
Oct 2018

Manchin has to draw support far beyond the quarter of the population in his base.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
34. I don't know that I'd be able to vote for him if he voted to confirm Kavanaugh.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 04:51 PM
Oct 2018

But then again, I don't live in WV, thank GOD.

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