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(8,656 posts)idcdu
(170 posts)Right-wing Manchin is voting incorrectly. Right wing elements needs to be removed from the Democratic Party.
Aristus
(66,388 posts)I believe that with all my heart.
Advertising works. It wouldn't be a billion-dollar industry if it didn't.
The next SCOTUS justice should have been Hillary's call.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Aristus
(66,388 posts)Mainers need to get rid of her.
I heard she's going to be stepping down at the next election, though. Perfect. Burn down the house, then skip town...
Cha
(297,323 posts)Link to tweet
Susan Sarandon: Clinton more dangerous than Trump
snip//
Actress Susan Sarandon says Hillary Clinton's
foreign policy makes her a greater national security risk than Donald Trump, adding that it's "inevitable" the White House hopeful will be indicted.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/282143-susan-sarandon-clinton-more-dangerous-than-trump
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)SS tweet, Goth
Multi-tasking here
JI7
(89,252 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)to cast the tie-breaking vote if needed to confirm a pro-choice Justice in the mold of RBG. That one decision would've changed history... sigh.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)chosen as #2.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...that many Americans wouldn't have been able to reconcile:
1. Two candidates from the Northeast
2. Two candidates from the Northeast
3. Two candidates who were women
4. Only one Democrat on the ticket
Orsino
(37,428 posts)She gets some blame.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)samplegirl
(11,480 posts)says it all!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Autumn
(45,107 posts)Oh wait. Wrong Susan. Fuck Susan Collins.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)...and her harming Clinton's campaign.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)And that was due to Sarandon.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)It's not like 2016 was the first time there were third party's on the presidential ballot.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)3 million more vote coming mostly from California, Oregon and Washington state is fundamentally meaningless when the Electoral College decide who won, even if a state is won with only 1 vote.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)installed the cheating loser. Instead? We fucking moved on.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Stein and Sarandon are why Roe will be overturned.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Yes, She played a role in the loss of our Nation.
It's clear now, what revolution she was really all excited about.
And the true damage to our nation hasn't even began.
Thank goodness multi millionaire Susan can comfortably fly out of the US to one of her safe-homes abroad.
She can watch America devolve from afar.
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)Not sure exactly what revolution she was stumping for.
It sure wasn't women, children, American workers, taxpayers or consumers.
It sure wasn't for human rights, our environment, Constitution, rule of law or our global allies.
Just who exactly was Sarandon so giddy over?
Guess we're finding out !
anarch
(6,535 posts)The working class rising up to seize the means of production, and creating a Marxist paradise and so on.
As someone who's basically on the kooky far left myself, I think I get where she was coming from...sort of. But unless you're like, ten years old or something, there's no excuse for this kind of simplistic thinking, and it was irresponsible for someone with any kind of influence to say something like this, particularly in the context of the 2016 election cycle.
Unless it was "some people feel Anus-face will bring the Revolution immediately, but that's stupid; everybody needs to focus on where we actually are, not some teenage riot fantasy bullshit, and by the way it really wouldn't be that great for rich Hollywood-type people if there's a violent upheaval that overthrows the plutocracy and seeks to redistribute wealth. So go vote a straight Democratic ticket from now until there are no more Republicans in any elected office anywhere, right on down to dogcatcher!"
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)The Sarandon Idiot wouldn't shut the FUCK up that HRC and Trump were the "same." FUCK HER.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)He gave the yes vote not Susan Sarandon.
Aristus
(66,388 posts)Or even a nomination.
Sarandon was pivotal in depressing Democratic turnout, and spurring left-leaning independents to stay home or cast a protest vote for Bernie.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Anyone captivated by Sarandon's message was never going to vote for a Democratic candidate. To suggest she was able to sway voters with her 600k twitter followers to Clinton's 23million is absurd in my opinion.
Aristus
(66,388 posts)I was a huge fan of Bernie Sanders. But when I realized he had no chance at the nomination, I switched my loyalties to Hillary Clinton without a single qualm.
Not everyone was so pragmatic. I haven't forgotten the searing bitterness among die-hard Bernie supporters, and their vicious snarking against Hillary Clinton.
A highly-visible soap-box can be very effective for swaying voters. That's why the people who possess those soap-boxes use them so enthusiastically. SS knew what she was doing.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)"A highly-visible soap-box can be very effective for swaying voters. That's why the people who possess those soap-boxes use them so enthusiastically.
SS knew what she was doing."
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)matters.
Forget how people voted today, had Hillary won the EC (all that matters), there would be no Gorsuch or Kavanaugh to vote for or against.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Frankly, all that matters is tomorrows vote and last I checked we have a Democrat voting for a rapist. Blame Sarandon if you want for Manchin's vote but that just absolves him of his direct role in placing Kavanaugh in the Supreme Court for a lifetime appointment. Not Sarandon. Manchin.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)and they all opted out of voting for Clinton thanks to Sarandon's false-equivalence, then yes, she cost Clinton the election.
It's unlikely, of course, but, combined with all of the other nefarious and idiotic influences on the easily duped, she was at least a factor. She certainly didn't help.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)On this we agree. Sarandon did no favors to the progressive movement during the 2016 election and with her continued actions. Just don't agree with placing this all on her feet. I understand the anger though.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)In fact, doing so is a logical fallacy. Given that, I don't see anyone placing all blame at her feet.
If you allow your sampling to broaden beyond one post, you'll see plenty other posts blaming many single and collective people and organizations; and these as well are not assigning blame en toto.
George II
(67,782 posts)....Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
Do you really think Hillary Clinton would have nominated either of them or someone as conservative as them?
Cha
(297,323 posts)Link to tweet
Susan Sarandon: Clinton more dangerous than Trump
snip//
Actress Susan Sarandon says Hillary Clinton's
foreign policy makes her a greater national security risk than Donald Trump, adding that it's "inevitable" the White House hopeful will be indicted.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/282143-susan-sarandon-clinton-more-dangerous-than-trump
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)on the ticket... would have won in a landslide!
TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)Bernie's immediate plans after the convention were to write a book instead of being on the campaign trail.
Having Sanders on the Democratic ticket would have been a bonus for the GOP as they would have replayed clips of Sanders criticizing Clinton. Clinton was wise to avoid that scenario.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)However, since a discussion of that nature has the potential of drawing a hide I'll move along.
Would the affinity to Bernie have outweighed the bitterness to Hillary for the Bernie-or-bust followers? I don't have an account on JPR so I'll never get to ask the people who would have made that decision.
George II
(67,782 posts)...and he didn't hit the campaign trail until Labor Day weekend, five weeks later.
George II
(67,782 posts)BTW, based on his demeanor at the Convention, it's highly doubtful that he would have accepted anyway.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Pretty much silent on twitter.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)still_one
(92,219 posts)refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, and encourage the naïve and others to follow suit is to not even acknowledge their f**king worthless existence.
By ignoring them it means their views, opinions, self-identified purpose is meaningless, and they will fade soon enough into the dustbin of their worthless lives where they will soon enough be forgotten
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)djg21
(1,803 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)the posters on JPR hated it which makes me smile
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)in the face like that.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)losing civil rights is when we know the revolution is really heating up. Paradise is coming any day now.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Has never once worked.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)I was a Bernie guy but went all in for Clinton when she clinched the nomination. Any Sanders supporter who didnt vote for Hillary deserves whatever comes to them.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)she had zero impact on who they did or did note vote for.
Aristus
(66,388 posts)We'll call that the 'James Bond' Answer...
Cha
(297,323 posts)and will continue to RF in 2020.. She and jill stein sucked in a lot of people with their LIES about Hillary.
Link to tweet
Susan Sarandon: Clinton more dangerous than Trump
snip//
Actress Susan Sarandon says Hillary Clinton's
foreign policy makes her a greater national security risk than Donald Trump, adding that it's "inevitable" the White House hopeful will be indicted.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/282143-susan-sarandon-clinton-more-dangerous-than-trump