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Do folks think Michael Avenatti had any impact on what happened today with the Kavanaugh vote? (Original Post) oberliner Oct 2018 OP
Nope qazplm135 Oct 2018 #1
Collins seemed to be blaming him by inference. I'm seeing a lot of pundits on Twitter octoberlib Oct 2018 #2
didn't she initially mention wanting to hear from the 3rd accuser? NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #5
She will blame anyone oldtime dfl_er Oct 2018 #7
No malaise Oct 2018 #3
Not particularly mythology Oct 2018 #4
No we can do it Oct 2018 #6
No Thekaspervote Oct 2018 #8
No. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2018 #9
No k8conant Oct 2018 #10
Collins was all in from day 1. She just used Avenatti as an excuse. Bleacher Creature Oct 2018 #11
Yeah, blame it on Avenatti. Way to go. triron Oct 2018 #12
No JoeOtterbein Oct 2018 #13
The point being missed, how could he have persuaded any senators to change their votes? procon Oct 2018 #14
No. MontanaMama Oct 2018 #15
I've never seen anyone do it better! ZZenith Oct 2018 #16
+1 violetpastille Oct 2018 #32
Avenatti is all about himself. Tipperary Oct 2018 #17
Avenatti 2020 Puzzledtraveller Oct 2018 #37
Lol. Tipperary Oct 2018 #42
yes ProudDem314 Oct 2018 #18
Sen. John Kennedy is on MSNBC blaming Avenatti right now, lol octoberlib Oct 2018 #19
Senator and that shithead in one sentence....something is seriously wrong in US politics OnDoutside Oct 2018 #38
Debra Ramirez remembers has witnesses and is being ignored MattP Oct 2018 #20
Not exactly... Mike Nelson Oct 2018 #21
Think he made no difference whatsoever Jersey Devil Oct 2018 #22
Thank you for asking this question. It gives me faith in my predictive powers. rzemanfl Oct 2018 #23
He's an excuse. It was a done deal from the start Orangepeel Oct 2018 #24
Right wing disruptors hate Avenatti. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #25
No. (eye roll) skylucy Oct 2018 #26
No. And any Republican saying or hinting otherwise is a lying weasel. femmedem Oct 2018 #27
Today, Republicans are revealing... C_U_L8R Oct 2018 #28
no Kurt V. Oct 2018 #29
No, every GOP Senator would have voted to confirm no matter what was revealed. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #30
Not in the least... I admire the guy. Need more like him! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #31
No more than we did Generic Brad Oct 2018 #33
He neither helped nor hurt. quadtetra Oct 2018 #34
No EffieBlack Oct 2018 #35
As I said somewheres else Puzzledtraveller Oct 2018 #36
Nope this was strictly about money, those votes were all purchased by special interests Snake Plissken Oct 2018 #39
Doesn't matter. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #40
I'm not sure if he had any impact oberliner Oct 2018 #43
I don't see how it distracted from Ford. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #45
No. kacekwl Oct 2018 #41
No...I don't...so many posts about Avenatti. Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #44
Negative. Big time. gulliver Oct 2018 #46
About the same amount of effect voting had in the 2016 presidential election ck4829 Oct 2018 #47
He's a joke. Tipperary Oct 2018 #48
Collins would have voted the way she did anyway I suspect ... JHan Oct 2018 #49
If he had any effect, it was negative Azathoth Oct 2018 #50
Nope, he comes off as slimy Kilgore Oct 2018 #51
I think didn't and probably couldn't have. shanny Oct 2018 #52

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
2. Collins seemed to be blaming him by inference. I'm seeing a lot of pundits on Twitter
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:06 PM
Oct 2018

blame him but who knows? Collins probably had her mind made up when Kavanaugh got nominated.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
5. didn't she initially mention wanting to hear from the 3rd accuser?
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:08 PM
Oct 2018

meaning Swetnick...

I'm guessing that Grassley or McConnell told her "no" on that one

oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
7. She will blame anyone
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:12 PM
Oct 2018

that she thinks is an easy target. Just because she's pointing a finger at him doesn't mean anything except she's playing rank politics. She's trash.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
4. Not particularly
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:06 PM
Oct 2018

In theory a small negative one, but I don't think it mattered. Republicans knew at this point it was Kavanaugh or nobody.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
11. Collins was all in from day 1. She just used Avenatti as an excuse.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:14 PM
Oct 2018

If not him, she would have found something or someone else.

procon

(15,805 posts)
14. The point being missed, how could he have persuaded any senators to change their votes?
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:18 PM
Oct 2018

He was using the press and making himself into a well known public image, but his goal always seemed to be his own political adventure, not Kavanaugh.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
15. No.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:19 PM
Oct 2018

It had everything to do with the Groper Party being united in all things. And add Joe Manchin to that cesspool.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
19. Sen. John Kennedy is on MSNBC blaming Avenatti right now, lol
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:23 PM
Oct 2018

They're using it as an excuse. I think Ed Whelan was the one who gave them an out.

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
21. Not exactly...
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:24 PM
Oct 2018

… I see Louisiana Sen. Kennedy is blaming him... wrong. He should be naming the real sleaze - TRUMP, the creepy porn president.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
22. Think he made no difference whatsoever
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:25 PM
Oct 2018

It is unfortunate for his client, but no one seemed to pay any attention to her accusations. IMO he didn't help any with the teasing nature of the way he released (and didn't release) corroborative evidence. Even the Dems kept their distance for fear they were being played.

femmedem

(8,203 posts)
27. No. And any Republican saying or hinting otherwise is a lying weasel.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:44 PM
Oct 2018

They are looking for anything and anyone to pin it on other than their own raw partisanship.

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
28. Today, Republicans are revealing...
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 05:47 PM
Oct 2018

how threatened and afraid they are of Avenatti.
I don't think he really had much influence one way or another in the nomination of the K-Creep, but it's very telling that the GOP so emphatically wants to take him down. The way they rally around Trump is nauseating.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
33. No more than we did
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 06:25 PM
Oct 2018

We all fought the good fight but the dirty fighting bullies won by cheating. No finger pointing now.

 

quadtetra

(46 posts)
34. He neither helped nor hurt.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 06:46 PM
Oct 2018

I think if his client had a stronger accusation, it might have helped. But all she could say was terrible things were happening at parties she attended and she recalled seeing Kavanagh. But she was not able to pin down what, of anything bad, she saw Kavanaugh doing.

Personally, I think his client shouldn't have come forward if that was all she could say. I don't think it was worth exposing herself to the public.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
35. No
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 06:51 PM
Oct 2018

The vote is exactly what it would have been three weeks ago before anyone had heard Dr. Ford or Ms. Swetnick.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
36. As I said somewheres else
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 06:57 PM
Oct 2018

I don't think he helped, not the victim or the charge, but he I think he takes away from things by being part of the story himself and it feels like self promotion as much and sometimes more than what he is claiming. Dr. Fords attorney was great, and I think that is what I would like to see in these cases.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
40. Doesn't matter.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 07:10 PM
Oct 2018

His efforts helped to bolster the narrative of how corrupt and unethical todays republicans are.

What do you think his impact was?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
43. I'm not sure if he had any impact
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 07:46 PM
Oct 2018

My thought is that it might have been more effective if the focus had just been on Ford (rather than having Avenatti out there as a convenient distraction for some Republicans to go after) but it seems that it would not have made any difference in the end in terms of the votes.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
45. I don't see how it distracted from Ford.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:01 PM
Oct 2018

I don’t think it distracted Flake or Manchin. I think that is an extremely far stretch in order to attempt to define his actions as negative toward our side.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
49. Collins would have voted the way she did anyway I suspect ...
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:40 PM
Oct 2018

And while I don't care for Avenatti, there's a danger in making Avenatti the culprit. This was a power grab by the GOP, and they don't care how they pulled it off.

Azathoth

(4,610 posts)
50. If he had any effect, it was negative
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 11:04 PM
Oct 2018

Once he hopped on board, I think even mainstream news sources started feeling like this had become a circus.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
52. I think didn't and probably couldn't have.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:27 AM
Oct 2018

The pukes were set on this outcome.. But I also think there's a civil suit coming down the pike.

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