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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen tRump is proven to have committed conspiracy + collusion, will that prompt a SCOTUS redo?
The only thing more infuriating then appointing Kavanaugh, is that it's very likely ALL that has followed after tRump cheated to win in 2016 would NOT have happened without Russian collusion, voter suppression, and paying off people to hide stuff just before the election (see Stormy).
If (when) the criminal regime is finally brought to justice (may take years), do you believe we can move as a country to restore balance to the SCOTUS? The environmental and social consequences of the criminal regime may take a generation to heal from, but there is an alternative reality which we all know should be true.
It would be like catching a bank robber, then requesting he give back the stolen loot. We deserve restitution as a nation for having a SCOTUS seat stolen from Obama, now this horrendous aberration and injustice! Solution: immediately move to impeach tRumps appointments!!! He was not legally elected, therefore they are forfeited.
Realistic or pipe dream?
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)anarch
(6,535 posts)At this point, we're somewhere just past elbow-deep...we can stop ourselves and pull back, try to stop from bleeding out or dying from shock, and try to recover and do the best we can with whatever's left, but we'll never be the same after this.
I mean, or we could keep going this direction and see if this new way is better...maybe authoritarianism and the entrenchment of white male privilege is what this country really craves. We have somewhat of a public forum coming up soon....
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mythology
(9,527 posts)RiverStone
(7,228 posts)So this requires a Constitutional amendment?
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)And there is no definitive answer to be fronted . But ask yourself this, if the election were to become null and void, than who steps in on the temporary until all matters are delt with accordingly .
RiverStone
(7,228 posts)I just can't fathom when the truth finally comes out and people are held accountable for tRumps crimes, that we just say "oh well" - there has to be consequences and restitution to fit the crime to our nation. So I hope!?
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)and how far and how deep it goes. It's huge.
You can't impeach lifetime judges/justices based on the crimes of the person who nominated her/him.
Now if we successfully impeach Trump because all of those things you mentioned were proven, it could be argued that the Supreme Court should be permanently enlarged to offset whatever number of Justices that were put on the court during Trump's illegitimate reign.
Though that would be a very tough sell since there's no guarantee that Hillary would have won the election.
All those manipulations took place in the republican primaries (as well as the general election) and helped Trump beat out Jeb, Cruz, Rubio, and the rest.
So you're not really talking Hillary vs Trump but rather "Trump vs the republican field" then "the winner of the field vs Hillary".
Yeah, if you could prove that Hillary would have beaten any of the Republican candidates, regardless of the circumstances, a straight up offsetting the Trump damage could be easily justified to the American people. But none of the polls I saw from summer 2015 through the republican convention showed Hillary as a slam dunk against everyone.
rlegro
(338 posts)If Democrats win big, they should propose enlarging the court by ONE position to account for the GOP Senate's refusal to consider Garland. That's defensible, I believe. Democrats could respond to critics by saying, "What's the alternative? Adopting Republicans tactics and threatening to deny a vote on any opposition president's nominees? We're not going there. But Obama and the tens of millions of Americans who voted for him twice deserve this redress, which is entirely consistent with the Constitution."
RiverStone
(7,228 posts)Hope it happens!
RiverStone
(7,228 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Takket
(21,578 posts)If drumpf is removed, we need to get a million people to surround SCOTUS and occupy the building. Refuse to let SCOTUS be seated until gorsuch and bart resign.