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NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 07:25 PM Oct 2018

This is simply a monstrous moment in our history. Collins' speech defined a deplorable moment.

It has been hours, and my anger has barely ebbed.

We will of course do what we can to get out the vote. We will vote ourselves. We will participate in fund raising.

But what we are up against - who among us truly trust that our vote will count - or be counted? How many Democratic voters have been disenfranchised, or removed from the voter rolls?

My biggest frustration is seeing how so many of humanity are showing such stupidity, meanness, shortsightedness, ignorance - how many are being fooled - or frightened - into voting against their own interests?

This is not meant to be a defeat post - but I can't be the only one who feels like after nearly two years of rock bottom, we are going even lower...how much lower can we go?

And most important - how do we dig out of this with an emboldened right wing, a false pride group of deplorable idiots who can't reason or think themselves out of a paper bag making major decisions? Harming so many - whether women, families being separated, so much more.

It really is somewhat of a bizarro miracle that a courageous woman can come forward and bare her past and her soul and be attacked - and be attacked by other right wing WOMEN (shame on you Susan Collins).

We have a media that for the most part has NO IDEA of how this game is being played, going down the false equivalency road at every opportunity.

I don't know....I just don't know....

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This is simply a monstrous moment in our history. Collins' speech defined a deplorable moment. (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Oct 2018 OP
I Purposely Avoided Watching It JimGinPA Oct 2018 #1
I listened to 20 minutes of it in my car. Didn't want to vomit on my dashboard, turned it off NRaleighLiberal Oct 2018 #2
That image of Collins as a "moderate" has been fraudulent all along. brush Oct 2018 #3
I posted this earlier but I want to say it again Woodycall Oct 2018 #21
Consider the optics as well Separation Oct 2018 #4
Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm sure the chinless one is patting himself on the back for that. Va Lefty Oct 2018 #5
There is a lot more going on backstage Separation Oct 2018 #6
Appropriate, no? appal_jack Oct 2018 #10
Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.... Pachamama Oct 2018 #26
Our media knows what's happening, and the word is Hortensis Oct 2018 #7
I will bet you Polly Hennessey Oct 2018 #8
I bet she retires. nt babylonsister Oct 2018 #12
My anger will NEVER ebb!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #9
one for the history books for sure AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #11
A 45 minute speech she wrote awhile ago. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #13
True, there is no telling exactly where this is headed. warmfeet Oct 2018 #14
It just got 20 years longer. lancelyons Oct 2018 #16
no way - the butter knives are really making me fume...so many, recently! NRaleighLiberal Oct 2018 #18
Collins probably thinks she had a great speech of unity in history. lancelyons Oct 2018 #15
Susan Rice alluded to her running against Collins tymorial Oct 2018 #17
I'm not sure if this is the result of Mr.Bill Oct 2018 #19
Just when you think this country has reached its lowest point... Ferrets are Cool Oct 2018 #20
The country is sharply and bitterly divided bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #22
Tom Steyer registration drives on college campuses need to be going full blast Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #23
Great post! One exception... Duppers Oct 2018 #24
Largely, I think that is exactly right. Thanks for the addition. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2018 #25
I heard she sounded like a deplorable. Iliyah Oct 2018 #27
I am *BEYOND* pissed off. Initech Oct 2018 #28
I hear that Clarence Thomas is thinking of retiring next year.... ugh secondwind Oct 2018 #29
How do we dig out? We must fight rightwing propaganda. EndGOPPropaganda Oct 2018 #30
They are all about disinformation...and preying on Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #31
There have been plenty of women attacking Dr. Ford but I wouldn't say Collins did. MadDAsHell Oct 2018 #32
k&r Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #33
Rock bottom. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #34
What Collin's speech really told (to me anyways) at140 Oct 2018 #35

brush

(53,791 posts)
3. That image of Collins as a "moderate" has been fraudulent all along.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 07:33 PM
Oct 2018

She's been play acting and now it's evident to everyone and it's undeniable.

Woodycall

(259 posts)
21. I posted this earlier but I want to say it again
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:58 PM
Oct 2018

She's the velvet glove on the iron fist of fascism.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
4. Consider the optics as well
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 07:33 PM
Oct 2018

It is being done right in front of American eyes


[link:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/where-two-men-normally-sit-two-women-flank-sen-susan-collins-during-kavanaugh-speech/ar-BBO0eEB?li=BBnb7Kz|
Where Two Men Normally Sit Two Women Flank Sen. Susan Collins During Kavanaugh Speech]


Senate Republicans appeared to rearrange floor seats on Friday so that two women, instead of two men, would sit behind Sen. Susan Collins R-Maine, as she gave a floor speech about Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va., and Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith, R-Miss., sat behind Collins during the afternoon speech, but those seats are assigned to Sen. Jerry Moran, R-Kan., and Sen. John Boozman, R-Ark., according to an official seating chart.



AFTER EDIT: Not sure why its not hyperlinking as it should be.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
6. There is a lot more going on backstage
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 07:41 PM
Oct 2018

In Washington, then the average non-political junkie realizes.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
10. Appropriate, no?
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 07:56 PM
Oct 2018

I mean, they are all about Capito-lating on principles and Hyde-ing the truth.

k&r,

-app

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
26. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic....
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:23 PM
Oct 2018

Its all optics and its not going to change a thing....

The GOP doesn't care about this country or its people....

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Our media knows what's happening, and the word is
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 07:41 PM
Oct 2018

depraved. They left deplorable behind long ago and then despicable.

But I'm of course with you. This is a very dark and dangerous, monstrously dangerous, point in our history.

Polly Hennessey

(6,799 posts)
8. I will bet you
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 07:43 PM
Oct 2018

that when it is time for Ms. Collins to run for re-election we will hear: “I regret my vote for Kavanaugh in 2018.”

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
11. one for the history books for sure
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:01 PM
Oct 2018

the counry will be paying for it for decades. Elections have consequences. We have to learn from rethugs - they are much more organized and united when it comes to voting; they are not easily swayed, stay firm and tribal no matter what; They have built a strong propaganda network over the years and we have not. And they have energized their voters today like never before. It won’t surprise me if we’ll see record turnout in midterm elections, perhaps from both sides. trump is following his pre-election agenda point by point and quickly like no other president, restrained only by the ‘current’ courts but that’s changing rapidly.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
14. True, there is no telling exactly where this is headed.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:15 PM
Oct 2018

Also true, there are millions of democrats/progressives/liberals willing and able to fight for change.

Don't give up.

This is a long haul.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
16. It just got 20 years longer.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:18 PM
Oct 2018

but dont give up.

If I see another democratic butter knife, I am going to be pissed.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
15. Collins probably thinks she had a great speech of unity in history.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:17 PM
Oct 2018

But she doesnt realize she ignored the plight of many women who are victimized.

She wanted to blame the democrats for taking advantage of Ford but she is the one who took advantage of ford and ignored the plight of millions of women.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
19. I'm not sure if this is the result of
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:34 PM
Oct 2018

the decline of real journalism or the cause of it. But what journalism has become in the last 20 or 30 years is a big part of it.

bucolic_frolic

(43,190 posts)
22. The country is sharply and bitterly divided
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:02 PM
Oct 2018

that is rare in a Supreme Court nomination. We've tried compromising our way to success, and to normalcy. We've been rolled. Reaching across the aisle doesn't work. It was a 1970s solution. This is capitulation to business interests, just like after the Civil War. People think money is all that matters. Progressive women millennials hold the keys to the future. We need to educate voters. Most Americans don't understand politics. Look at the success rate for incumbents. If they've heard of him, they vote for him. He's a good guy, he lives around here. They don't understand issues and how they impact one's life.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
23. Tom Steyer registration drives on college campuses need to be going full blast
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:12 PM
Oct 2018

That is easily our greatest opportunity to take advantage of this. I've been posting it since Trump was elected. Talk show punditry and elevator challenges mean nothing compared to long term benefit of registering first time voters during this stretch with Trump approval rating very low and young people in particular opposed to him.

Those new registers may not vote this time but once they have that D on their voter roll and start receiving related mailings, etc. the vast majority are locked in for life. Even the ones who register independent right now -- and that is an extremely high percentage -- will likely be Democratic leaning.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
24. Great post! One exception...
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:16 PM
Oct 2018

"media that for the most part has NO IDEA of how this game is being played"

Nope, nope, nope. They know. M$M writes their paychecks.


Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
27. I heard she sounded like a deplorable.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:30 PM
Oct 2018

Collins showed her true colors. Now for the next less than two years, she will not be the right side of history. She won't cause she does not care.

She truly never did.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
30. How do we dig out? We must fight rightwing propaganda.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:16 PM
Oct 2018

We can do it. Tell everyone you know to turn Fox off. Tell them about Rupert Murdoch and what he wants. Tell them they are being suckered.

And in 2020 with a Dem pres and Dem Senate, we are going to add FOUR justicies to the supreme court. I'd like to start with Merrick Garland ... and Barack Obama.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
31. They are all about disinformation...and preying on
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:33 PM
Oct 2018

Low info/low IQ people..which she is.

They won the PR game with the "I'm sure it happened to Dr Ford, it just wasn't him" meme.

We need new leadership. We need people with the same values - but with at least an ounce of "2018/combat Trump's sickening MO" savvy.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
32. There have been plenty of women attacking Dr. Ford but I wouldn't say Collins did.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:33 AM
Oct 2018

I HATE her planned vote, but I have appreciated some votes she’s made in our favor in the past, and I didn’t hear anything in the speech today that was an attack on Dr. Ford. What are you referring to?

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
34. Rock bottom.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 03:33 PM
Oct 2018

I'm beginning to think there are just too many ignorant & apathetic assholes & that we will have to hit rock bottom before they get a clue. We don't have time for this fucking shit. By the time most Americans wake up to what's coming down the pike in terms of climate, it will be too fucking late. Our government will be wholly controlled by the very rich, white men who brought us climate change with their short-sighted, "everything for profit" mentality.

The human race is about to get knocked down a few pegs.

at140

(6,110 posts)
35. What Collin's speech really told (to me anyways)
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 07:12 PM
Oct 2018

that she is not running for re-election because she will surely lose, and therefore it was safe for her to make that long speech.

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