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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAm I the only one who feels about as down as the night Trump won?
I know the final vote isn't in but will be coming this weekend. I'm sure it will be YES for Kavanaugh. I'm shocked that my feelings are so deep over his probable confirmation.
What did I miss? Oh, yeah! I missed the interviews of over 40 people who wanted to speak to the FBI in support of Dr. Ford. When I heard McConnell spew the words that there "was no corroboration" it was all I could do to keep from pulling down my TV.
I couldn't open the safe in the basement of the Hart Building where they locked away the FBI report because I couldn't be trusted to read the "no there there" report. There's no there there because the FBI wasn't allowed to talk with anyone who could add more information or confirm what had been said about rape, drinking excessively, gang rape and violent temper tantrums when drunk. What about his credit cards that were suddenly paid off? Too many questions are still openly raw. Why?
Once again, he'll get by with his lies...no punishment, just rewards. Perjuring yourself during a senate hearing or FBI interrogation now has a precedent. Have at it.
If I were younger, I'd be petitioning Trudeau to let me in!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)From the moment Kavanaugh was announced as the nominee, I assumed he'd get through. I knew that no matter how many millions and millions of phone calls and emails and protesters contact Flake, Collins, etc...they were voting Republican. So even though it sucks, I knew it was going to happen, so I wasn't really disappointed today when Flake and Collins said yes.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Sadly, I mostly expected Kavanaugh to make it through. At times, I thought there was a chance of upending him, but I had already mentally prepared myself for this. Republicans, even the supposedly moderate ones, are infamously weak.
With Trump, it was a total shock. Never did I think the nation would stoop so low. That was a literally sickening and shocking day.
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)It's one thing to know they care only about shoving their mysogonistic, racist, homophobic bs down the throats of every American it's another to actually see them do it. I know it's nothing but the death spasms of an old order but....really hoping to hear the last gasp sooner rather than later.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)this wasn't much of a surprise but it was a shafting done to us by dark money special interests that the vast majority of Americans oppose.
This feels more like coming home to find your house has been broken into and the police don't give a shit because the criminals are giving them kickbacks. Like a third world screwing
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)a kennedy
(29,673 posts)helll be gone in two years.....but the kav??? Oh yah, HES GOING TO BE AROUND FOR DAMN NEAR FOREVER!!!!!!!!!
Boomerproud
(7,955 posts)You are not alone.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)NeverTrumpDemocrat
(48 posts)And I'm not even a woman, but it's been a trip. The drama of the Ford/Kavanaugh hearing day, the seeming uncertainty of how it would all end up (until now).
That man should not be on the Supreme Court. For so many reasons; bad temperament, dishonesty, self-regard, privilege without noblesse oblige and full of disdain. And all things considered, when it comes down to it, in light of all of the evidence, I believe Christine Ford and what she told us about what happened in that upstairs bedroom in the summer of '82.
-- not because I feel that "a woman should always be believed" -- but because I wasn't born yesterday.
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Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I don't know if I can find it by search, or not.
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)Not a theory and very suspect. However, its the least of our worries at the moment.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)The night before the 2016 election. A series of strategic errors leading to a unsurprising end.
The major difference is this was essentially a foregone conclusion right from the start.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)....and decided not to give Dump and Bitch another thing to whine about by going public with Russian meddling. A huge mistake.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)I am so down.
Susan Collins is one of my senators and I am beyond angry. I don't think she's going to run again and that makes me mad, too. I want her to go down for this.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)I live in a comfortably blue state. But you get to vote her out. I agree, shes a coward who wont run again, but you can force her out. Use your power.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and I give up
Ohiogal
(32,006 posts)The way I feel is second to the day the Asshole won. A gut punch, for sure. I told my husband today the now it's official, women are officially second class citizens in this country.
I'd read somewhere else that the MAGAts say they don't care what happens to The Asshole once they get their SCOTUS judge installed. Many of them voted for him solely for that reason - for the purpose of taking away the rights of women and all people of color - get Trump in there to alter the SCOTUS. Real nice huh. This is the society we now live in. I feel like they've succeeded in forcing their agenda down our throats and and there's damn little we can do about it since a SCOTUS appointment is for life. It's very depressing.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)will not abandon Trump. In fact, they're counting on giving him a second term, figuring that Ruth Bader Ginsberg will not last through it. Now that we know how raw the fight will be, you can expect Amy Coney Barrett to be named as her replacement, should that awful situation come to pass.
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Trump was a shocker. This was a joke, including the process.
I have no intention to give up. In fact, this has energized me to volunteer and give whatever I can to whomever I can. I am outraged and I think millions of people, women and men, too, have been galvanized into action than might have before.
There is no upside for Rape-publicans if we get at least one of the houses back. If we don't, then I will feel devastated.
And I ain't going to feel devastated!
Come on, folks, and GOTV with every single person you know who can vote.
marylandblue
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I refused to allow myself to become emotionally invested in the outcome because I knew the Repugs had the numbers. I never considered the fact Trump might win so that was a shot to the gut.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Maybe 2.5 to 3 points and enough to sneak by in the electoral college.
Not until Steve Schale reported the rural vote in all the Florida counties did I gulp at 8:45 PM and realize Trump was a cinch.
This one I bet on Kavanaugh on Predictit and always thought he would be confirmed, unless somehow his buddy Mark Judge got scared and told the truth.
Republican white males do not tell the truth when it matters and Susan Collins' voting record was more meaningful than anything she ever says or tweets
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)I told my spouse this morning that i have never in my life wished someone woud die - but I'mat that point with Trump.
Collins' speeh this afternoon made it so much worse. I could have tolerated an honest decison to vote for Kavanaugh - but she had to wrap it with an extended explanation of why all of the accusations but Ford's were outrageous, and Ford must have been mistaken because there is no corroboration - by conveniently narrowing the definition of corroboration to eye witness corroboration of the attempted rape - rather than the corroboration that KAvanaugh lied about stupid stuff (which suggests he is lying about this), that his own calendar documented a party that included all of the party-goers but the women (potential receptacles, in their minds), etc. And further bubble wrapped this dead, stinking fish in lofty principles.
I'm done.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)It was all leading to this.
The next will be when the cases actually start being decided and Kavanaugh, Alito, Thomas...begin stealing our rights.
JarOCats
(119 posts)...it's the fruition of our worst fears: that he would be able to ram through not one, but two, hard-right SCOTUS appointments, with absolutely nothing to stop him.
I haven't been this depressed since Proposition 8 passed in California... ten years ago.
But even then, I never thought our republic was in danger of complete collapse. Now, I believe the American Experiment is just about over.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Why would two old white men, who are close to one foot in the grave, care about what happens after they leave? They are a big part of the problem, although they stay in the shadows.
They may be off the original subject...or, they may not.
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FSogol
(45,488 posts)Alhena
(3,030 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)Today is a day for sadness for our country and naturally ourselves. I'm keeping myself occupied. Family visited, now a fine old movie and later a book. I plan to dig deep to work for November. But we can have a day to lick our wounds. Then we stand up and fight again. Political monsters rarely last. We're going to prevail.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)musicblind
(4,484 posts)I won't lie. I cried.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I need to behave or I'll get my heart going the wrong direction. I have a grandson getting married tomorrow, so we can't have THAT. Besides, I wouldn't give Trump the satisfaction.
musicblind
(4,484 posts)If it wasn't for reading DU this past 11 years, I don't know what I would have done. I would have gone insane without you guys. I know I don't post as often as everyone else, but you guys have given me a lot of comfort that there are still good people in this world.
Congratulations to your grandson! Don't let this tragedy take away from such a happy day. That would just be handing them another win.
You deserve a great wedding. <3
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)Deflated, triggered, tired, pissed. I've been so tense that I have to take a break and pull myself back together.
I feel like i haven't been active enough in my area.
I'm sharing my assault/harassment experiences with local candidates. It's terrifying but I hope I can make some good come from my voice. My assault was very public.
After the trial was over, I became agoraphobic and had trouble being around groups of people.
I have become "the dudette" Big Lebowski. Lol
My assault happened during the 2016 primaries and it took everything in my soul to endure pressing charges and the realization that my professional career was crushed.
I had a witness, thank god. Unfortunately a co-worker who came forward was dismissed because it happened three years prior and no investigation was given to her.
It's déjà vu with Dr. Ford.
Her bravery is giving me a strength I forgot that I have.
Im stronger. I don't feel so alone. I feel...resolve I think.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)and I am so sorry to read this. I am working on resolve, I have not been abused for many years now and had gotten pretty sure of myself. I feel less steady tonight.
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)We are each of us angels
With only one wing
We only fly by holding on to one another
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)thank you for sending that. I will remember this and pass it along.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I'm having problems tonight over concern for Dr. Ford. Realizing how disgusted I was over hearing they had the votes and knowing that McConnell, Graham, Hatch, Grassley and their ilk were having an "uproarious laugh" over their good fortune, I could imagine that had to have added more pain to what she'd already gone through. She's a strong woman but there are limits.
There's not one damned thing fair about the whole scene.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)I had a really bad year after Trump. Drinking a bottle of wine and crying every night for months. My husband and I would just sob. It was like a dream of our country died for us. It felt like a human death. The sense of loss was profound.
Since then I've quit drinking, and started being a lot more self-disciplined.
This time I'm ready to fight.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Lets screw em good.
WhiskeyWulf
(569 posts)I'm in near-despair. I feel like people have completely forgotten how things are supposed to work in the United States, don't understand history or what is happening to us as we slip into authoritarianism, and are too stupid/crazy/morally empty to care. How do we fight back against all that?
triron
(22,007 posts)MuseRider
(34,111 posts)I am trying to not be angry yet. It will be hard not to be sarcastic to any man right now if I get angry. My husband made no calls for us, I doubt my sons did either. Thankfully my sons live in another city and my husband understands but is not looking forward to the day I blow, lol <---kinda I guess lol.
After what Hatch did and said, after what Grassley said about women not on the committee and did by bringing in an "assistant" for cover, after all the nasty things that have been said over the last few weeks that would have been thought way out of line just a few years ago (pre Trump). Now the damned headline in the WSJ tonight. After allowing a man with these notions about women and what he possibly (almost surely) did to her and others and LAUGHED about it while she actually feared he might accidentally kill her and he got away with it putting him in our highest court. I cannot even say how I really feel because I am not sure I have ever felt this way. Going back after all the decades of work is simply out of the question.
I guess we have had our fun now it is time to get back to our intended work as babysitters for grown men. Over my dead fucking body.
Freddie
(9,267 posts)If not Kavanaugh there would have been someone else equally execrable. This is just twisting the knife. Maybe it really is time to seriously consider how the blue states can secede.
misanthrope
(7,418 posts)This is a huge step toward eradicating the last stumbling block on the way to a full ransacking of the nation. Kavanaugh isn't merely a conservative. His views on the Fourth Amendment combined with his opinions on widening the latitude and powers of the chief executive are perhaps the most dangerous that have ever ascended to the SCOTUS.
Now, combine that with the precedent of the SCOTUS being politicized to newly brazen and alarming levels. In other parts of the world where liberal democracy might survive, this will be viewed a monumental moment in America's downfall. In America, the textbooks will be rewritten, Lone Star-style so a couple of generations down the road, no one will be any the wiser.
peace frog
(5,609 posts)Lunabell
(6,089 posts)I got drunk that night and sobbed a little. I'm really pissed off now. Livid.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)But I think I had a worse reaction that night. I expected this on some level. I feared it could happen then. But overall this is just as bad in terms of its ramifications, worse really. He will protect the fake prez. If the house is won will that be enough? Im not sure.
I think it was a mistake to put all focus on the sa, as soon as that came up everything else was forgotten, some major things imo. I dont know if it would have made a difference though.
That said I have a horrible feeling about the depths of disgusting this gov/ country has sunk to to put this rapist, addict, crook etc, a criminal on the sc. Its just unbelievable. The whole world knows what he is now. He is mentally unstable as well, just like the fake in chief.
I was saying to my family that dimwits are taking over the world. I hope there is a way to stop it.
torius
(1,652 posts)Have become used to the constant outrage. Was sad and shaking for about an hour, now just numb.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)gulliver
(13,186 posts)It might be a bigger victory this way than if Kavanaugh had gotten the boot. I would even say that it seems likely that it is.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)2016 fucking blindsided me. This shit has been a done deal from the word go, and anyone who thought otherwise was deluding themselves.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)I am hoping it will energize Democratic and left leaning voters to get to the polls in 32 days. I've been training over the last week to volunteer for Beto O'Rourke's GOTV and they've been pointing out that Texas isn't really a red state. It is a non-voting state. We only had 46% of the voting age population turnout in 2016. But how many Texas Dems don't bother to vote for President here because they know the Republican will win? At this point, we are just trying to GOTV, contacting Dems and undecided voters. We aren't trying to convert Cruz supporters.
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)This feels like a punch to the gut. Like those protestors told jeff flake. You republicans don't care what we have to say. Our pain doesn't matter to you.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Maybe we can't move out of the country, but we can be our own "country" of support for each other.
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)Today has been rough because I too am a victum of sexual assault. And it is doubly painful today as it is my attackers birthday, who is my brother and who is dead from an opiod overdose. I hope no fellow survivor does anything rash like hurt themselves today. We can't allow one tragedy to befall another. Stay strong all.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)So Im as pissed off as I usually am, and at the same people.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But Canada has strict immigration laws. You're only allowed in if you are rich, or if you have a work skill they need, or something like that. It used to be more lenient, I read at the time, but they changed the law because so many Americans were moving there!
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)peace frog
(5,609 posts)but I can't blame Canada, or any other country with strict immigration laws. Why would they want to accept millions of fleeing Americans.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)And maybe buy your own health care. Maybe. Because Canadian citizens have paid high taxes for years for it.
Retirees here would lose their Medicare.
So unless the country a retiree moves to has free or cheap health care, or money is no object, it's not feasible.
Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)What depresses me so much now is not just seeing a man lacking integrity placed on the SC, but also the fact that Trump has won again. His behavior at the rallies this week mocking Dr. Ford was awful, but his supporters just lapped it up and cheered him on. Trump never seems to pay the price for bad behavior, and Republicans just keep winning when common decency says they should not. We are so divided in this country that we may never be able to come together, especially when we are faced every day with a president and a party that will do anything to win. Winning is now the only goalnot governing.
George II
(67,782 posts)....it seemed that Kavanaugh pulled it off. I told people it was the worst day since the 2016 election.
I was buoyed when Flake and Coons got the Committee to request a week extension for the FBI to investigate. I really thought Senators would come to their senses.
Sadly, Flake's "conscience" was cosmetic, as was Collins' "I want to review the FBI report again" garbage.
So here I am again tonight, feeling almost as bad as I did around 11:00 on election night 2016, when it appeared that trump was going to "win". I didn't watch a single news report or analysis until sometime in February or March 2017. I got to know all the ESPN commentators very well!
Like that time, after about 15 minutes into Collins' faux speech I knew what she was going to do, I turned it off and haven't gone back to CNN or MSNBC since, probably won't until sometime next week, if even then.
Thankfully there are four baseball playoff games and the NHL season began this week, so I have diversions!