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dsc

(52,162 posts)
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:16 PM Oct 2018

We are doing better in Senate races than anyone thought we would but we still will likely not get

the Senate. We lost the Senate in 2014 and 2016 and only a miracle will get it back for us now. We have leads in the double digits in both MN races, WI, OH, PA, MI. We have single digit, steady leads in IN, MT, WV. We have narrow leads in AZ, and NV. Even with all of this, we are likely to either stay even or even lose a seat in the Senate. So how did we get into this mess. In 2014 we lost a bunch of seats. In 2016 we also lost seats we should have won. There will be a lot of blame about Kavanaugh if we don''t get the Senate but that is ridiculous. ND was always going to be super tough. She barely won 6 years ago. ND was one of Trump's best states. It was always likely to return to form. If she were to win, it would be a huge upset. TN and TX were huge long shots at best.

All signs point to this being a great election for us. Governors races in many states are moving away from the GOP. IL, MI, OH, PA, are pretty much Democratic locks. FL looks pretty good. GA is a toss up. MN, CO have small but steady leads. All but PA would be a Democratic pick up. The House is looking very good. The GOP is triaging races. Even heavily gerrymandered NC could gain us 3 seats out of 13 seats. Honestly, no one thought we would get more than one here coming in. This is looking more and more like 2006 in the House. And don't forget state legislatures. We are favored to pick up hundreds of seats in those.

The thing is we have to vote in all elections, not just some. Not voting in 2014 is why we are in the Senate mess we are in now.

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We are doing better in Senate races than anyone thought we would but we still will likely not get (Original Post) dsc Oct 2018 OP
This is a really important point. The media will portray this as a Dem loss if we Squinch Oct 2018 #1
Yes Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #3
I agree; if we win the House, there will be investigations and the release of already-found material More_Cowbell Oct 2018 #9
We can and MUST take the HOUSE and the state and local races. GOTV GOTV GOTV!!! LBM20 Oct 2018 #6
In 2016 D_Master81 Oct 2018 #2
We have WAY more seats to defend than they do. Just the map and timing. Not our fault. BUT, LBM20 Oct 2018 #4
Here in NM Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #5
forgot that one dsc Oct 2018 #8
Good chance in Maine for Gov., US House, and State Legislature!! GOTV GOTV GOTV. LBM20 Oct 2018 #7
50/50 is doable. Dawson Leery Oct 2018 #10
Could Murkowski switch if it's 50/50? pstokely Oct 2018 #12
Harder to do in a red state like Alaska Alhena Oct 2018 #13
She could easily be an Independent in AK DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #25
Good point. Call her and thank her EndGOPPropaganda Oct 2018 #15
She could, but she won't MiniMe Oct 2018 #16
any polls in ND since Kavanawful? Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #11
Need Trump approval to drop Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #14
We must play the long game. Beartracks Oct 2018 #17
This. Greg K Oct 2018 #18
We need to take the House. That will be the story even if they gain a Senate seat or two. Greg K Oct 2018 #19
Governorships and state legislatures are far MORE important. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2018 #20
Nate Silver put up a bad number at 34.3% on his senate opener Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #21
Today I read on 538 that he gives the Repubs a 4 in 5 chance of keeping the Senate. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #28
A good night for us is to win back the House and maintain the status quo in the Senate. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #22
yeah despite the fact that even taking California out we will almost certainly out poll the GOP in dsc Oct 2018 #23
This is encouraging DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #24
even our gerrymandered districts in NC are in play to some extent dsc Oct 2018 #26
Win or lose saidsimplesimon Oct 2018 #27
We are in the mess we are in now because of Russian and GOP interference, becasue this was the Amaryllis Oct 2018 #29

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
1. This is a really important point. The media will portray this as a Dem loss if we
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:25 PM
Oct 2018

don't get the Senate. But the odds are stacked really high against it, and we are doing amazingly well. In 2020, if we keep this up, we will win back the Senate easily.

We need to keep our eyes on the prize. When the media bemoans the condition of the Democratic party if we just win back the House, we need to remember that they are wrong.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
9. I agree; if we win the House, there will be investigations and the release of already-found material
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:08 PM
Oct 2018

I have high hopes that both the House and Senate will be Democratic by 2020.

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
2. In 2016
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:30 PM
Oct 2018

had anyone said "the republicans won't pick up any seats in the Senate in 2018" it would be considered a loss for them and a win for the Dems. This is 1 of the most brutal setups for the Dems this year and to be even talking about winning the Senate is a miracle almost.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
4. We have WAY more seats to defend than they do. Just the map and timing. Not our fault. BUT,
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:32 PM
Oct 2018

we should take the House and state and local races BIGTIME. GOTV GOTV GOTV!!!

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
10. 50/50 is doable.
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:14 PM
Oct 2018

The GOP would keep control but have no room for error. Combine this with a Blue House, the GOP will be unable to do much.
Certainly, there will be many investigations.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
25. She could easily be an Independent in AK
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 04:24 PM
Oct 2018

The current gov is an Independent, lt gov is A Dem. Murkowski was elected as a write-in candidate. If she became an Independent, she would become the most powerful senator in Washington, holding the balance of power for all legislation. She, King and Sanders could form a troika and vote as a bloc.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
15. Good point. Call her and thank her
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:44 AM
Oct 2018

Murkowski gave a great speech in which she said “it’s not about this nominee, it’s about all the nominees and the corruption of the senate”

Maybe we just need to pick up one seat and Murkowski will join patriots on many judges.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
16. She could, but she won't
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:06 AM
Oct 2018

It's like saying Susan Collins is a Moderate Repub. There is no such thing any more

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,346 posts)
11. any polls in ND since Kavanawful?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:10 PM
Oct 2018

That's a tough seat to defend, I know, but it sure would be sweet if Heitkamp gets a surge of votes for her stand on Bad Beer Bart.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
14. Need Trump approval to drop
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:42 PM
Oct 2018

Heading in the correct direction, down from peak of 42.6% on 538 nearly a full point to 41.7%

I'd love to see that below 41% on election day

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
17. We must play the long game.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:30 AM
Oct 2018

The GOP has steadily eroded liberties, rewarded greed, and stoked religious bigotry for DECADES to get where they are, and to drag America where it is now. They play the long game. Republican voters don't have to fall in love with their candidates, they don't do protest votes, and they don't pack their marbles and go home.

Democratic voters can't fight them back on a part-time or seasonal basis. It must be a full-time, full-on, and full-throated defense of democracy, liberty, and equality, and we must vote consistently and passionately in EVERY local, state, AND Federal election.

As the Blue Wave hits the political shore next month, there needs to be another one behind it, and another, and another. It must be a Blue Tsunami, not a single wave. And THAT is how America will get its democracy back.

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Greg K

(599 posts)
19. We need to take the House. That will be the story even if they gain a Senate seat or two.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:39 AM
Oct 2018

There will be a check on the Trump administration.

Governorships and state legislatures are just as important to contain GOP voter supression efforts.

And even if Beto loses against Cruz, he is gaining national cred.

DinahMoeHum

(21,788 posts)
20. Governorships and state legislatures are far MORE important. . .
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:27 PM
Oct 2018

. . .as well as the races in 2019.

Remember, the next census is in 2020.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
21. Nate Silver put up a bad number at 34.3% on his senate opener
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:42 PM
Oct 2018

I wish he hadn't done that. It led to some overboard hope here and elsewhere.

Other mathematical models were in the 16-22% range when Nate put up that 34.3%. 538 is now below 19%.

Now some of those other mathematical models have dropped to 10%:
https://0ptimus.decisiondeskhq.com/

Nate's model was relying on a wave but so many of those states have huge numbers of self-identified conservatives, and simply not vulnerable to a wave on the federal level, not unless the House generic number was 11-12% or higher. Nate's number was more like a compilation of governor races in the same states. Those governor races are not as tied to ideological percentages.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
28. Today I read on 538 that he gives the Repubs a 4 in 5 chance of keeping the Senate.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 05:39 PM
Oct 2018

That's over a 70% chance. It was a 2 in 3 chance before. A 60-something% chance.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
22. A good night for us is to win back the House and maintain the status quo in the Senate.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:45 PM
Oct 2018

We should pick up 6-12 governor's mansions and nearly 500 state seats.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
23. yeah despite the fact that even taking California out we will almost certainly out poll the GOP in
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:58 PM
Oct 2018

Senate races. We might even out poll them if you take NY out but that is less likely. The only large state they will win by any significant amount is Texas and we should negate his win there with large wins in Ohio, PA, and MI.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
24. This is encouraging
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 04:13 PM
Oct 2018

I expect net gains for Democrats in governorships of between six and a dozen, and a pickup for Democrats of between 400 and 650 state legislative seats, more than the average midterm loss of 375 seats for the party in the White House. These state elections are the most under-reported story in politics, with control of chambers likely tipping from Republicans to Democrats. Three-quarters of the governorships and four-fifths of the state legislative seats are up in these midterm cycles. Remember that with the inability or unwillingness of Washington to deal with so many problems, the resulting vacuum has given states considerably more power on many fronts. Then consider the massive gains on the state level for Republicans during the eight years of the Obama presidency, and how much of that ground could slip away.

https://www.cookpolitical.com/index.php/analysis/national/national-politics/real-blue-wave-could-come-states

dsc

(52,162 posts)
26. even our gerrymandered districts in NC are in play to some extent
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 04:27 PM
Oct 2018

I live in the number 2 in the Senate's senate seat and I am getting very pricey mailers for him. I have gotten about 10 or so in the last month or so. Clearly they aren't using any filter in sending these (I have voted in every Democratic primary since I moved here) but they must feel somewhat uncertain of his chances to be spending that much.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
27. Win or lose
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 04:32 PM
Oct 2018

My goal is to GOTV because "you can't win if you don't play". Some discount hope and dedicated efforts for change, I will never be one of those.

I am pragmatic, a fiscal conservative and live in a reality based world.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
29. We are in the mess we are in now because of Russian and GOP interference, becasue this was the
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 07:49 PM
Oct 2018

first election without the full protection of the Voting Rights Act after it was gutted by SCOTUS, because of gerrymandering, because of highly hackable voting and vote counting machnes and tabulators, becasue of voter reg databases being purged by GOP and Russians, etc. etc. AND we need to do all we can to GOTV.

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