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black kid who was lost and knocked on a door for directions? Video released HOLY MOLY (Original Post) Demovictory9 Oct 2018 OP
that guy is representative of the majority of gun owners JI7 Oct 2018 #1
Seriously? Timewas Oct 2018 #2
no, he is not vlyons Oct 2018 #8
I seriously doubt it. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #12
MAGA! make amerika WHITE AGAIN!! pansypoo53219 Oct 2018 #20
That's a pretty broad brush you have there. He does not represent most gun owners. Arkansas Granny Oct 2018 #19
He represents TOO MANY! hexola Oct 2018 #31
Is not saying he's not representative also a broad brush of gun-owners? LanternWaste Oct 2018 #34
FWIW, I said "most" gun owners. I know a good many gun owners to compare this behavior to. Arkansas Granny Oct 2018 #44
+1 ck4829 Oct 2018 #22
Careful... HopeAgain Oct 2018 #26
Well golly gee. GemDigger Oct 2018 #28
Then you are in favor of banning all assault weapons? HopeAgain Oct 2018 #29
Read what I said again. GemDigger Oct 2018 #30
I dig how you indict others for the same things you do LanternWaste Oct 2018 #33
Point taken. GemDigger Oct 2018 #35
Yes. I'm also from Montana and grew up with a house full of hunting rifles. flygal Oct 2018 #41
I have family members like that too but I am not afraid of them shooting me. GemDigger Oct 2018 #42
No he's not. Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #36
Well, the majority of gun-strokers are white wing GOPers. And vast majority of those are racists. Hoyt Oct 2018 #39
Many gun nuts are racist, that's true. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #45
Wish more were like your dad. But even gunners here like their so-called assault style Hoyt Oct 2018 #46
Yeah gun nuts are assholes. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #48
I call BS on this statement. aikoaiko Oct 2018 #43
The shooter claims that he slipped and the gun fired More_Cowbell Oct 2018 #3
wife should be charged too. she's the one who began screaming at the sight of a black person Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #4
if they can get enough Trump voters on the jury he could still go free JI7 Oct 2018 #5
Uhm, am I seeing it wrong or did I see him slip twice? Doreen Oct 2018 #11
in the video the OP posted ? he didn't slip at all in there JI7 Oct 2018 #14
I was being funny about the "slipped" part. Doreen Oct 2018 #15
yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if he did do that JI7 Oct 2018 #17
Unfortunately you are right. Doreen Oct 2018 #18
Hopefully he is being charged with attempted murder. roamer65 Oct 2018 #6
Convict him to make sure safeinOhio Oct 2018 #23
I feel like crying thinking about 14 year old being treated like this lostnfound Oct 2018 #7
What a chickenshit. They are so afraid. Poor fools. mahina Oct 2018 #9
The asshole shooter at least seemed to point the barrel in the air... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2018 #10
No he didn't -- he shot at the kid obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #21
No he did not Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #37
Motherfucker better be convicted. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #13
Det. Pace: ""He took a big drink of water, looked at me and said, 'I'm tired of being a victim.'" pnwmom Oct 2018 #16
I'm so heartily sick of bullies claiming to be victims. Coventina Oct 2018 #27
#HimToo aeromanKC Oct 2018 #40
thanks for link! Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #32
+1 dalton99a Oct 2018 #47
...and people wonder why I'm for gun bans In It to Win It Oct 2018 #24
Good God ck4829 Oct 2018 #25
Another deplorable white wing gun-humper shoots an unarmed black teen in back. n/t Hoyt Oct 2018 #38

Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
12. I seriously doubt it.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:48 AM
Oct 2018

I’m not a gun owner but I used to be around them a lot. Yes, a few were nutty about their guns but none of them would have done something like what was done in that video. I know their are some like in the video but I refuse to believe it’s anywhere near a majority.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
34. Is not saying he's not representative also a broad brush of gun-owners?
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:20 AM
Oct 2018

Seems to me, saying that he is or isn't both illustrate the same unsupported style of generalities in regards to the target demographics.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
26. Careful...
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:02 AM
Oct 2018

There's a lot of gun humpers on here. Unfortunately gun control does not seem to be a serious tenet of the Democratic Party anymore.

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
28. Well golly gee.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:07 AM
Oct 2018

I am a gun humper and have no problem with gun control. That was a very large brush you just used to paint with. Sounds like something a republican would use.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
29. Then you are in favor of banning all assault weapons?
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:10 AM
Oct 2018

or do you have a million in one reasons why it can't be done like most gun lovers?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. I dig how you indict others for the same things you do
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:18 AM
Oct 2018

"Sounds like something a republican would use."

"I will ignore your snark..."

It's as if you're holding others to a higher standard than you hold yourself to.
But I'm certain you'll rationalize quite differently... as something it is in fact, not.

flygal

(3,231 posts)
41. Yes. I'm also from Montana and grew up with a house full of hunting rifles.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:32 AM
Oct 2018

All my brothers took hunters safety and I never feared guns. Then came the pistols and the NRA rhetoric and the shooting AR 15s and now there are two family members homes I will not go into because they are certified gun nuts and would probably defend that guy with the shot gun.

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
42. I have family members like that too but I am not afraid of them shooting me.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:39 AM
Oct 2018

If their weapons are free roaming (not locked) I certainly wouldn't let kids go there and I sure as hell wouldn't start talking politics.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
36. No he's not.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:23 AM
Oct 2018

He's represent of the racists, fearful, crazy Trump Humpers. Most gun owners wouldn't do that.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
39. Well, the majority of gun-strokers are white wing GOPers. And vast majority of those are racists.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:26 AM
Oct 2018

So do the math. It's a fair statement.

Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
45. Many gun nuts are racist, that's true.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:59 PM
Oct 2018

But not all gun owners are gun nuts. My dad has a few guns (a shotgun and two rifles I believe) but he’s as liberal as can be, hates the NRA, and is for fairly strict gun control. He’s embarrassed by gun humpers and won’t associate with them.

Also here in New Mexico, many Hispanics own guns to hunt with and they are, by and large, good Democrats.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
46. Wish more were like your dad. But even gunners here like their so-called assault style
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:05 PM
Oct 2018

semi-autos, have to strap a pistol or two on to walk out the door, and are fine with doing nothing to control access to more guns, even when a bunch of school children are killed or another unarmed teenager is shot.

Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
48. Yeah gun nuts are assholes.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:09 PM
Oct 2018

I’ve noticed many are also neo nazis, literally. My dad stopped going to gun shows years ago because they started selling nazi and kkk memoribilia and many of the attendees were fascinated by it.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
3. The shooter claims that he slipped and the gun fired
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:49 AM
Oct 2018

A jury watching that video will be hard-pressed to believe that, I think.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
15. I was being funny about the "slipped" part.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:03 AM
Oct 2018

I know there was no slip but it looked like he fired twice and if he did will he claim he slipped twice?

JI7

(89,249 posts)
17. yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if he did do that
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:11 AM
Oct 2018

but if they can get a jury full of trump supporters that's all that would take to go free .

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
10. The asshole shooter at least seemed to point the barrel in the air...
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:33 AM
Oct 2018

... before firing, so I doubt that attempted murder will stick.

He should still be charged for terrorizing the kid!

obamanut2012

(26,076 posts)
21. No he didn't -- he shot at the kid
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 06:05 AM
Oct 2018

I watched it in slow-mo like five times. Luckily, the child was a fats runner, and this racist ass is a bad shot.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
16. Det. Pace: ""He took a big drink of water, looked at me and said, 'I'm tired of being a victim.'"
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:05 AM
Oct 2018
https://www.theoaklandpress.com/news/copscourts/jurors-view-video-of-rochester-hills-shooting-as-trial-continues/article_3f07f548-cca1-11e8-8e16-1b5ad08f57c5.html

Also taking the stand Tuesday was Detective Shawn Pace, who said during his investigation, his assessment of what had allegedly happened at the Zeigler house — a home invasion attempt — changed as he watched the surveillance video.

“When I saw that video, my thought process switched...I knew which direction I had to go. I was shocked,” Pace testified. After viewing it a second time, he said he was “charged up, because I was offended by what I had seen.”

Pace also testified that Zeigler gave some conflicting details as he recounted what he said had happened, but “emphatically denied ever taking aim” at the teen and was consistent with his claim that the gun fired after he slipped.

At one point, Pace testified, he told Zeigler that he had taken aim at Brennan. “He took a big drink of water, looked at me and said, ‘I’m tired of being a victim.’ That was it,” Pace said.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,346 posts)
32. thanks for link!
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:16 AM
Oct 2018

That leads to more articles, too.

Sure wouldn't want to view the world through Zeigler's eyes.

(Can't see the video).

In It to Win It

(8,252 posts)
24. ...and people wonder why I'm for gun bans
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:07 AM
Oct 2018

Either everyone has a gun or no one has a gun. Anything in between doesn’t work. People do stupid things with guns.

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