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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 09:52 AM Oct 2018

Michelle Obama challenges Eric Holder on "kick them"

Fear?

I'm confused. What fear?



Michelle Obama responded Thursday to former Attorney General Eric Holder's comments during a campaign event earlier this week, in which he flipped her famous mantra for taking the high road and said, "When they go low, we kick them."

“Fear is not — it's not a proper motivator. Hope wins out. And if you think about how you want your kids to be raised, how you want them to think about life & their opportunities, do you want them afraid of their neighbors?”

Why it matters: The Brett Kavanaugh saga of the past few weeks has reignited public debate about the role of civility in politics. President Trump, who frequently verbally attacks his opponents, condemned Holder's remark earlier this morning, calling it a "disgusting" and "very dangerous" statement to make.


https://www.axios.com/michelle-obama-eric-holder-kick-them-2a5bfc04-f6c7-47ab-8b80-62a92d221472.html
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Michelle Obama challenges Eric Holder on "kick them" (Original Post) SHRED Oct 2018 OP
America's Diversity of Opinions and the Freedom to Express Them is Part of What Makes us Great dlk Oct 2018 #1
I don't know. My thoughts on Holder was that he suggested not to let anything slide? BeckyDem Oct 2018 #2
Standing up to bullies SHRED Oct 2018 #7
Good for her. I admire Michelle Obama. cwydro Oct 2018 #3
Not Fear... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #4
Holder appears to be running. mobeau69 Oct 2018 #5
Why Not? LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #6
Don't see him that appealing on the stump compared mobeau69 Oct 2018 #9
Have To Disagree With Mrs. Obama Here ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #8
Nice guys finish last... Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #10
I agree with you! I adore Mrs Obama KCDebbie Oct 2018 #12
It has been effective for her. For progressive causes in the aggregate..not so much. violetpastille Oct 2018 #13
Yes, You're Right ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #16
There are legitimate reasons to kick them outside of fear. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #11
Totally disagree with Michelle here Jake Stern Oct 2018 #14
Maybe it's just me but ... GeorgeGist Oct 2018 #15
I respectfully disagree with Mrs. Obama. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #17

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
2. I don't know. My thoughts on Holder was that he suggested not to let anything slide?
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 09:57 AM
Oct 2018

Not that he was suggesting a more crass response to Trump? Out trumping Trump on his level is what concerns Michele, I think.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
3. Good for her. I admire Michelle Obama.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 09:59 AM
Oct 2018

She is a truly good person and a great example for all of us.

She’d likely be disgusted about what some post here.

mobeau69

(11,144 posts)
9. Don't see him that appealing on the stump compared
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:13 AM
Oct 2018

to other possible candidates. We need whatever it takes to defeat this orange threat to our democracy.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
10. Nice guys finish last...
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:22 AM
Oct 2018

and we can't afford to keep being nice hoping it'll melt the gop hearts to our positions. We have to fight hard, as if it was a war, THEN be gentile, and make rules to defend against incivility in the future. They LOVE it when we go easy, makes their job a cake-walk. It's not in our nature, but, when we are all breaking rocks in a gulag somewhere bc we are Democrats, then it's way too late. We have done the nice guy thing, and they just use it against us.
Are we nice, or truly just servile and submissive? Better decide soon bc this will be our last chance (no exaggeration) come Nov 6th. We can't afford to put Pansies in gun barrels when they are shooting to kill us. Those days are over. (For awhile.)

 

KCDebbie

(664 posts)
12. I agree with you! I adore Mrs Obama
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:33 AM
Oct 2018

But she is wrong on this one.

Trying to take the high road while campaigning against scum-sucking repubs ensures that Dem pols look weak and get sent home...

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
13. It has been effective for her. For progressive causes in the aggregate..not so much.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:38 AM
Oct 2018

In her original quote "When they go low" she was referring to raising her children in the White House.

In this quote she refers again to raising children.

I will take mothering advice from Michelle Obama any day. Her daughters are just wonderful.

But Eric Holder wasn't talking about raising kids. He was talking about standing up to tyrants. And historically, that has worked at cross purposes to being a parent first. Not all freedom fighters had tranquil home lives. I can't think of one, actually.

(When it comes to surviving autocracy, I'm taking my cues from Masha Gessen.)



ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
16. Yes, You're Right
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:53 PM
Oct 2018

I knew that. But, she's criticizing was Holder just said, and with regard to that, I think she's off base

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
11. There are legitimate reasons to kick them outside of fear.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:38 AM
Oct 2018

We kicked Kav, It was not an operation of fear, though the prospects of his sitting on the bench is frightening.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
14. Totally disagree with Michelle here
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:18 PM
Oct 2018

I've dealt with bullies up close and being nice DOES NOT WORK. Bullies only respect strength.

They won't come around because you try to "be their friend" and showing understanding or compassion is taken as a sign of weakness.

A bloody nose and a fat lip, however, are real attention getters and go a long way toward educating Mr. Bully that you are not someone to be fucked with.

At this point in time Republicans are acting like schoolyard bullies and need to be dealt with like it.

Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
17. I respectfully disagree with Mrs. Obama.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:58 PM
Oct 2018

That’s ok though; differing opinions are allowed among Democrats.

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