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(26,060 posts)I assume they have some evidence to back up that dismembering with a bone saw thing.
Grasswire2
(13,570 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)They had security footage if Saudies identified as a 'hit squad' going through arrivals at the airport.
They apparently have 'intelligence information'.
The story came from a 'high ranking' Saudi source.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)I find the "cut up the body" believable. It's why they showed the journalist inside the cupboards a day or two later to prove he wasn't there. Which I thought odd.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I don't trust either the Turks or the Saudis and they both have reason to lie. I do believe that the Saudis killed him. But it sounds like the Turks are sensationalizing.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)God do I miss President Obama. We only had to endure the vicious right wing attacks. This has become a nightmare. Each day another crisis, scandal, lie after lie. It is total madness. Really just how long can this continue? Is there a tipping point? One straw too many? Its like trying to maintain you balance standing on a sheer precipice in a howling gale.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I miss "normal". Well, you can't say we NYers didn't try and warn everyone. This administration is aging me. Fast.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but I don't trust either the Turks or the Saudis to give the whole truth. They both have reason to lie here.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)All three of them , trump , the Turks, and the Saudi's . They're all corrupt , they all are liars, and they all have zero value on a human life and would kill people without a second thought, much like putin. Trump probably knew and approved it, and lying about it now.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You'd be hard pressed to find any NYer that would put anything past that degenerate.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,166 posts)janterry
(4,429 posts)it will not. Like so many other horrors.
Heartbreaking. And what will Kushner do - the 'genius' (isn't that what Nikki Haley says?) -
If I were him, I'd retire from government asap. I'd recognize that I was out of my depth - and hide in a hole for a few months, crying. When I finally came close to any degree of recovery (and how could I?)
I'd spend my time trying to do what I could to help others.
But what will Kushner do? My guess is that he'll spend Christmas in Aspen.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)Hes going nowhere until such time as his father in law is fumigated out ...
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)That sounds about right of how Jared will proceed...
This criminal cabal is sickening
elmac
(4,642 posts)it will take enforcement outside the US.
Separation
(1,975 posts)Hell he is on the shortlist for ambassador to the U.N.
At least in my mind he is. :tinfoil:
elmac
(4,642 posts)we have a country run by monsters, the true evil empire.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)with them.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)byronius
(7,394 posts)byronius
(7,394 posts)I grew up in Dhahran, lived in the South Compound of the University of Petroleum and Minerals. The North Compound was where the Saudi-born dean of the university lived with his wife and two daughters.
One night without warning or statement of any kind, a truckful of armed Saudi military showed up at the dean's door. They hauled him out of his house and into the truck as his wife and daughters looked on in horror.
The North Compound had quite a few Americans living in it -- some witnessed what was happening, but no one interfered. To interfere was to risk instant expulsion and loss of employment.
The dean was never seen again. He wasn't in prison; there were no records of any kind concerning the arrest. He just disappeared, forever.
His wfe and daughters continued to live in the house for years, until I left the country. I knew the daughters quite well, and they never spoke of their father. No one did. It was an accepted fact of life that beneath the cultured and calm pretense of Saudi Arabia lay an ocean of bloody violence. Unless one wished to go there, one did not speak of it.
Every kid knew about this Thing, this Silence, this Dark Pool Beneath. It cautioned everything we did. A young American boy like me could go anywhere and do anything, drive a car, drive a motorcycle (at eight years old!) -- but once in awhile, not very often, there would be an explosion of dangerous violence.
My friend Marco Porro was deemed to have hair too long by some mullahs in Khobar, so they shaved his head with gardening shears, removing part of his scalp in the process. His family left the country the next day, and they never returned.
The disappearance and dismemberment of a journalist sounds EXACTLY like many events I witnessed and heard of. I had many Arab friends, Westernized and Bedouin alike, and we all knew -- this is the Way Of Things.
Calm, loving, generous, kind, thoughtful, wise, and occasionally butcherous. Don't look down in the Dark Pool Beneath unless you want to go there, that was always the lesson.
Standard long-term royal autocracy, I suppose. Cultured internationally-minded primitivism.
RainCaster
(10,874 posts)Thank you for such a pictoral view of life in other parts of the world
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)...thanks for sharing!
iluvtennis
(19,858 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Look at Argentina and all the Desaparecidos. No one talked about it but their mothers gathered every week in front of the government buildings and stood in silence with their white scarves demanding to know what happened to their children.
And it was these same mothers who started a campaign to get their grandchildren who had been born after their kids disappeared. They actually hired doctors to find a way to be able to identify these children scientifically, and thus was born DNA matching of family members.
I saw that in a documentary many years ago. Its an amazing story of the determination of mothers when they get together.
Women have more power than they realize. Its the reason they are oppressed.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts).....
Ohioboy
(3,243 posts)Delphinus
(11,830 posts)you sharing your story.
Separation
(1,975 posts)I have a Saudi born friend that lives in Canada at the moment. I wont go into details, but he was living there on a student Visa like many others living there and here. He had to make an asylum claim due to some things that was/wasnt said online. He is currently waiting on his decision to be made by the IRB.
He has to check in with friends on a daily basis. He is terrified of disappearing. I couldnt imagine having to live this way every day, looking over my shoulder.
This isnt my first foray with this type of shit. In high school I knew a girl from Iran. After I graduated bootcamp I got an opportunity to go back home on boot leave to help out at the recruiting office (more just an excuse to go back home and see friends). Anyways my friend signed up while I was gone.She was due to ship out and didnt show up and the recruiter was worried about her because he hadn't heard from her. I told him that I knew the family and I would go ask the older sister, under the guise of meeting up with an old friend, to see how she is (she had an older sister and brother and one younger brother).
She met me for lunch and told me that she wouldnt ne allowed to meet with me again afterwards so I immediately got a bad gut feeling. Her sister had told her in confidence that she was joining the Marine Corps and was gonna be a Farsi Linguist and that it was utmost secrecy that her parents or brothers not find out. Another mutual friend had told her older brother that he saw her talking to the Marine recruiter at a local restaurant. He didnt fo ot out of malice or anything, just an "oh hey btw" type of deal. He then told his father and all hell broke out through the house. She was put into lockdown and not allowed to even leave her room. An uncle flew in from Canada and her sister was made to go with him. He took her back to Iran to live with extended family. I couldnt believe what I was hearing!
I still have no idea what ever happened to her. I lost contact with her sister through the years. I hope she ended up being ok. I love Iranian people, the food, the history, and culture. It's something that they can go, "look my history goes back thousands of years." I do however hate their government and the religious whackos that hold power over them. It's something that as Americans, we take for granted.
It's still perfectly legal for us to call Donald Trump a misogynistic, racist asshole who only got elected to office because of a foriegn country helped him.
spanone
(135,832 posts)especially if aided by another American citizen
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I remember reading somewhere (probably right here on DU) that there was something really fishy about the trip Kushner took to meet with the Saudi prince. Evidently it wasnt an officially planned trip. And it was also floated that Kushner was giving the prince top secret information which Kushner gets at the Presidential briefings.
Goodheart
(5,324 posts)bdamomma
(63,849 posts)Now if we had a State Department they would be all over this. But it seems it was gutted.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)bdamomma
(63,849 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)He only recently (2017) took up residence here
The reason He went to the consulate was to related to his Saudi passport
magicarpet
(14,150 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Why is a US citizen going to a Saudi consulate?
My question is do you have any link that he was a US citizen or is it something you made up?
Pretty sure that he was a US resident and not a citizen.
magicarpet
(14,150 posts)NPR
Khashoggi's editor at the Washington Post is interviewed...
(begin snip)
ATTIAH: Sure. So what we know, again, as you said, he went to the consulate, the Saudi consulate in Turkey, ostensibly to file papers relating to a marriage. He wanted to get married to his Turkish fiancee. He told friends, apparently, that he felt that it was OK to go to the consulate even though he was warned about his safety. So basically, last Tuesday, he went in at about 1:00 p.m., 1:30 or so, and never came out. His fiancee waited for 12 hours, and never came out.
(end snip - more at link below)
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/08/655528978/saudi-journalist-disappears-while-visiting-saudi-consulate-in-turkey
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Jamal Khashoggi had hopes of becoming an American citizen.
Time Magazine article...
(begin snip)
Khashoggi had sought to become a U.S. citizen after living in self-imposed exile since last year, fearing repercussions for his criticism of the prince, Cengiz wrote.
Trump, who took his first overseas trip as U.S. president to the kingdom and whose son-in-law Jared Kushner has close ties to Prince Mohammed, said Tuesday he had not yet talked to the Saudis about Khashoggi, but I will be at some point, without elaborating.
(end snip- more at link below)
http://time.com/5420263/saudi-arabia-jamal-khashoggi-assassination-squad/
grantcart
(53,061 posts)magicarpet
(14,150 posts)Khashoggi was desirous of becoming an American citizen, but was a long way from completing the process. He did reside in the USA and was a foreign correspondent for the Washington Post.
This maybe the primary reason Khashoggi was not given a warning about message intercept pertaining to his welfare risks.
Kushner and trDump hate the "Fake News" - Washington Post - Khashoggi's employer. And is real buddy buddy with the new Saudi Prince. So Team trDump turned a blind eye to Khashoggi's murder and gave the Saudi government the green light to kill him because he wrote disparaging articles about the House of Saud.
That is how you get rid of "Fake News",.. you chop them up into little pieces and then feed them to the sharks
Poof,.. the media becomes very compliant and authors nice stories about how good a job your are doing. Nothing but positive press going forward.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)trion and Amichai Stein
I posted a NPR piece earlier today for anyone looking for more on this.
fallout87
(819 posts)This will be nothing more than a blurb at the end of the day
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)anarch
(6,535 posts)Don't think otherwise; if someone didn't talk him out of it, король мудак himself would like to consign numerous reporters in the U.S. this same fate.
hibbing
(10,098 posts)bdamomma
(63,849 posts)who conducted and executed 9/11 correct?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)(because they after all are Americans)
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)bdamomma
(63,849 posts)majority and McConnell doesn't do shit accept kissing tRumps ass.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)magicarpet
(14,150 posts).... and vote overwhelmingly to get them out of political power,... these are the type of Fascist stunts trDump will do to solidify his grasp on his powers.
CloudWatcher
(1,848 posts)I'm sure Trump and his ilk are taking notes. How long until Trump critics start to disappear? He might not -- yet -- be able to shoot someone on Fifth Ave, but don't hold your breath. We're already considered traitors and baby murderers by the right wing.