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Everyone on DU should read this, men in particular. (Original Post) rzemanfl Oct 2018 OP
I'm very curious to learn whether DU men are. . . ariadne0614 Oct 2018 #1
Most men are respectful of women, since most are not beachbum bob Oct 2018 #3
I'm inclined to believe you because. . . ariadne0614 Oct 2018 #6
As a public service: DemocracyMouse Oct 2018 #15
A lousy analogy. I've been hit in the nuts, mostly by sporting goods. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2018 #33
We all have. Did you read the linked article? n/t rzemanfl Oct 2018 #45
That's very good! MineralMan Oct 2018 #2
My son says a straight guy understands consent if a gay guy tries to touch him. Arkansas Granny Oct 2018 #4
Good point! n/t ariadne0614 Oct 2018 #7
I keep coming back to this comment Sentath Oct 2018 #34
Your son is spouting homophobia. Mike Rows His Boat Oct 2018 #36
I think that is his point. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2018 #37
There are men who think that unwanted touching of a female is no big deal. Arkansas Granny Oct 2018 #38
OK. Unwanted touching is a different matter. Mike Rows His Boat Oct 2018 #41
Oh, here we go again. cwydro Oct 2018 #39
I took it Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #43
It's a positive exercise, but there's no exercise on earth that comes close to the real thing. VOX Oct 2018 #5
Thank you. n/t ariadne0614 Oct 2018 #8
You and the OP author, Julius... BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #22
K&R smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #9
Wow! BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #10
It made me cry. n/t ariadne0614 Oct 2018 #11
K & R bookmarking this FakeNoose Oct 2018 #12
That was excellent! nt Javaman Oct 2018 #13
Ditto on the K&R's, and bookmarked too. Right on the mark, unfortunately. yonder Oct 2018 #14
It made me want to sock myself in the nuts.. Lil Stinker Oct 2018 #16
I tried to do that, but I am so old I didn't punch low enough. rzemanfl Oct 2018 #25
K & R & bookmarked! SunSeeker Oct 2018 #17
Worth a read. Rec SCantiGOP Oct 2018 #18
Imagine, men, if getting kicked in the nuts Mr.Bill Oct 2018 #19
Later in the story, he imagines just that-- BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #23
White men especially in particular samir.g Oct 2018 #20
I thought what he said in the first part of the article was pretty stark and well said.... chowder66 Oct 2018 #21
Yes! ariadne0614 Oct 2018 #24
K&R JHan Oct 2018 #26
A Definite Step in the Right Direction dlk Oct 2018 #27
This gave me the chills Sunsky Oct 2018 #28
K&R sheshe2 Oct 2018 #29
Well done. K&R BeckyDem Oct 2018 #30
K & R.. Permanut Oct 2018 #31
Last night's 'Murphy Brown' was about the MeToo movement. peekaloo Oct 2018 #32
My favorite part was in the preamble. Solly Mack Oct 2018 #35
K&R bdamomma Oct 2018 #40
Excellent malaise Oct 2018 #42
K&R! Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #44
Yeah. Rec Nt Mc Mike Oct 2018 #46

ariadne0614

(1,729 posts)
1. I'm very curious to learn whether DU men are. . .
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:03 PM
Oct 2018

the natural allies I want to assume them to be. Thank you from the bottom of my weary female heart for posting this.

ariadne0614

(1,729 posts)
6. I'm inclined to believe you because. . .
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:20 PM
Oct 2018

the person who attempted to assault me was a white, privileged male. At the same time, I understand it’s only anecdotal evidence.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
15. As a public service:
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:35 PM
Oct 2018

This post was equating sexual assault of women to men being kicked in the nuts (for tone-deaf men).

Great analogy

(everyone was discussing a link and so I figured I'd "out" the topic)

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
33. A lousy analogy. I've been hit in the nuts, mostly by sporting goods.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:49 AM
Oct 2018

Tennis balls, softballs, bicycle crossbars, and possibly a kick or two during a scuffle.

In most cases, there is much pain, much laughter by onlookers. But, a few minutes later, or half an hour later, maybe with an ice bag, and voila, good as new, back in the game.

The pain of sexual assault is not gone in half an hour, maybe not gone in half a lifetime. The consequences are far-reaching.

No comparison.

Arkansas Granny

(31,516 posts)
38. There are men who think that unwanted touching of a female is no big deal.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:05 PM
Oct 2018

They would feel much differently if they were the recipients of unwanted touching.

I assure you, my son is not a homophobe.

Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
43. I took it
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:59 PM
Oct 2018

as her saying that a lot of men ARE homophobes and would freak out if they were touched by another man. I could be wrong though, I am all the time lol.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
5. It's a positive exercise, but there's no exercise on earth that comes close to the real thing.
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 08:17 PM
Oct 2018

I know, the author admits to that. I have some extremely strong opinions on the utterly unforgivable aspects of assault and rape of women. But being a man with no shared-first-person experience, I don't feel that it's appropriate for me to trot out my thoughts. Time and again, women have courageously shared their stories, which, sadly, often makes them even more vulnerable to harassment.

Simply said, I support all women 100% in this struggle. Each day, I do everything in my power to stand with them in every regard.

Lil Stinker

(12 posts)
16. It made me want to sock myself in the nuts..
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:44 PM
Oct 2018

Just because I am a man. I have always tried my best to defend women, but I still feel guilty for those that don't care.

Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
19. Imagine, men, if getting kicked in the nuts
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:56 PM
Oct 2018

could cause you to become pregnant and a Supreme Court ruling made it law that you had to carry that baby to term.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
23. Later in the story, he imagines just that--
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:03 PM
Oct 2018

Imagine, After getting kicked, it caused a change in your body that caused a genetic replication of the woman who kicked you to begin developing inside of you....

chowder66

(9,070 posts)
21. I thought what he said in the first part of the article was pretty stark and well said....
Thu Oct 11, 2018, 10:58 PM
Oct 2018

“Speaking on the societally-macro level, empathy has been largely a one-way street when it comes to gender dynamics,” Moxon told Bored Panda. “In my experience, women are empathetic toward men, while men tend not to be particularly empathetic toward women.”
Put another way, women have to think about what men are feeling as a matter of survival. Men aren’t in a similar situation, and so, if they don’t want to, they don’t. And, by and large, we don’t want to.”

ariadne0614

(1,729 posts)
24. Yes!
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 05:44 AM
Oct 2018

That part jumped off the screen and grabbed me by the throat. Our social conditioning is the result of millennia of survival strategies.

dlk

(11,566 posts)
27. A Definite Step in the Right Direction
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:05 AM
Oct 2018

These quotes from the article accurately describe where we are as a country:

"The Kavanaugh confirmation proves once again that one of the primary drivers of our society right now is normalized abuse and enablement of abuse,” Moxon added. “In such a society, the telling of wrong is itself seen as the wrong. It’s unutterably sad. It’s why the country has a bully with the mind of a cruel child as president, supported by power, cheered by crowds.”

“I think you can see, if you want to, that there is a powerful political party that doesn’t care about women at all, and thinks not caring is good. I dare hope more of us see this clearly now then we did before.”

To say the least, the veneer of civilization is very thin and we have very far to go.

peekaloo

(22,977 posts)
32. Last night's 'Murphy Brown' was about the MeToo movement.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:40 AM
Oct 2018

Timely in relation to this article.

Phil's sister giving Murphy advice on confronting the man who assaulted her ended with, "then you kick him in the nuts".

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
35. My favorite part was in the preamble.
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 11:22 AM
Oct 2018
“When women tell their stories of living with danger and vulnerability, and of survival from assault, our first instinct appears to be to protect ourselves from personal culpability and accountability; we certainly saw that dynamic play out as the Kavanaugh story developed.”


Because, damn, that was so the case with a lot of men. Not listening so much as mentally preparing their defense and then - repeatedly - telling us about it.

bdamomma

(63,849 posts)
40. K&R
Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:43 PM
Oct 2018

interesting article.


But I am still pissed off at the outcome, and how illegal sexual assaults are not being taken seriously by white rich frat boys who then turn into ole rich white men.

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