General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy would any woman ever vote for a Republican?
Over the past few decades, the Republican Party has demonstrated how they feel about women.
They believe a woman's body should be controlled by laws passed by men.
They believe women are lying when they say they were sexually assaulted.
They believe that women should obey their husbands.
And, what they don't say out loud, is that a woman's right to vote should be repealed.
I know there are women who have been so brainwashed that they accept and even enable their own victimization.
I know there are women who are beaten into submission and will do whatever they're told.
I know there are women who are afraid that their husbands will be looking over their shoulders when they vote.
And I also know that there are millions upon millions of women who would gladly vote against any Republican.
What I can't understand is women, who are not abused, or brainwashed, or living in fear, would ever voting for any Republican. And those who do? WTF?
Vinca
(50,299 posts)Democratic programs and policies are, but the same people who can't live without them vote for morons like Steve King and Donald Trump.
Cyrano
(15,043 posts)Women, and all the other "THEMS," want a seat at the table. Many privileged white men say "Fuck 'em."
ProfessorGAC
(65,111 posts). . .sure were privileged.
No.
They were dumb.
Blecht
(3,803 posts)They don't like seeing the privilege they once had disappear. They want their rightful place above people of color -- MAGA!
It's a cocktail of equal parts stupidity and racism.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)J_William_Ryan
(1,755 posts)But there are women who are bigots and racists, and women who are ignorant frightened and hateful.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Their husbands make around 350K a year. They vote for tax cuts.
dlk
(11,574 posts)and basically anything that supports women. They are truly the women-haters party.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)Stepford wife has replaced my sister. We no longer speak or have any kind of meaningful relationship because of him and his bat guano huffing crazy ass conspiracy theories and racism.
Tragic, but I fear that is not a very uncommon story...
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Note: I'm just posting the article for the discussion.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/22/whats-wrong-with-white-women-voters-heres-the-problem-with-that-question/
"
It also ignores the fact that a majority of white women have voted for the Republican presidential nominee in all but two elections since 1952."
"Among women overall, 54 percent identified as Democrats or lean Democratic and 38 percent said they were or lean Republican, according to the Pew Research Centers party identification report. Among white women, however, voter identification was split almost evenly 47 percent Republican and 46 percent Democrat. Still the percentage of white women who identify as Republicans is far lower than white men, 61 percent of whom say they are or lean Republican.
Women, just like men, tend to vote based on their party affiliation and ideology, and Dittmar said its wrong to assume these women dont know what theyre doing. For some women, free markets, smaller government and curbing abortion is pro-women. They see that as particularly helpful to women and families, so it doesnt seem to stand in contrast to voting for somebody from that party.
Ohiogal
(32,026 posts)how outlawing abortion is pro-woman!
I've heard that crazy line before, too.
randr
(12,412 posts)AirmensMom
(14,643 posts)She tells me that her mom told her to always vote Republican and she really doesn't pay attention to "all that." Her BF and teen-twenties sons like the orange anus. The ironic thing is that when I actually talk with her about the issues, she talks like a Democrat. But she will vote R every time, guaranteed. I don't know if it would be different if she had daughters.
Cyrano
(15,043 posts)AirmensMom
(14,643 posts)I'm more inclined to believe that they're just uninformed. When I read the emails from my reps, I can certainly understand why. They are just as big liars as the big con is. Here's an example: "Senate Republicans blocked a Democrat effort this week that would take away from millions of Americans the option to buy more affordable health insurance." Every R in this state will believe that and then be shocked when their cheap insurance won't cover whatever ails them... and then blame it on Obama.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)very much but not enough to pay more in taxes for it.
They're not that into women as they are money. If abortion is outlawed, that is one example, they'll pay for it privately, it will not be a life or death scenario for them.
Oh and they're dumb, greedy and dumb.
Cyrano
(15,043 posts)But for women who are not being coerced, or living in fear, or being physically/sexually abused, the word "dumb" seems to be a good explanation. After all, who would vote for someone who wants to take away your independence, your freedoms and your individuality. The word "dumb" seems to explain that.
haele
(12,663 posts)So they can be kept in the manner they are accustomed; they feel they are in complete control, even as they infantilize themselves - so long as they can keep their men happy and wealthy.
Other women are either peers who can also just do whatever they feel like - or don't exist to them.
Haele
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)I see a class of mostly white wealthy conservative women and their "values" aligned with someone like Laura Bush. Educated and capable of reading scientific journals and able to digest that climate science is real. They know there is no boogeyman scientific community out there trying to take their freedom away. They know Rush and Hannity are full of shit.
But what they prefer to do is allow their greed gene run that part of the brain and go with that, which spells seriously dumb people to me. There is no where their money can take them, especially their children/grandchildren, to avoid climate change disaster.
From that perspective, why would Kavanaugh concern them? I just don't see it. I believe they believe they're immune to the many ills of life.
AJT
(5,240 posts)are not immune. Money may not buy happiness, but it allows you to live in a bubble that keeps you from seeing anything negative that is happening around you. Wealthy women will not be hurt by the policies of the extreme right because everyone has a price and they will just buy any trouble that they have away.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)That bubble is not real.
AJT
(5,240 posts)BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)The Koch Ark lol
AJT
(5,240 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)but they also aren't more altruistic or smarter.
Women, men both capable of self-delusion, being deceived, being racist or sexist or trapped by harmful dogma.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)The dominant religions in the US are white supremacy and patriarchy. Women are not immune.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)LexVegas
(6,080 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Ignoring reality is never a good long term approach to anything.
Senate:
AK U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R)
IA U.S. Sen. Joni Ernst (R)
ME U.S. Sen. Susan Collins (R)
MS U.S. Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R)
NE U.S. Sen. Deb Fischer (R)
WV U.S. Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R)
U.S. House of Representatives -
AL U.S. Rep. 002 Martha Roby (R)
AS U.S. Del. AL Amata Radewagen (R)
AZ U.S. Rep. 002 Martha McSally (R)
008 Debbie Lesko (R)
CA U.S. Rep.
045 Mimi Walters (R)
FL U.S. Rep.
027 Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R)
GA U.S. Rep. 006 Karen Handel (R)
IN U.S. Rep. 002 Jackie Walorski (R)
005 Susan Brooks (R)
KS U.S. Rep. 002 Lynn Jenkins (R)
MO U.S. Rep. 002 Ann Wagner (R)
004 Vicky Hartzler (R)
NC 005 Virginia Foxx (R)
NY U.S. Rep.
021 Elise Stefanik (R)
022 Claudia Tenney (R)
PR U.S. Del. AL Jenniffer Gonzalez (R)
SD U.S. Rep. AL Kristi Noem (R)
TN U.S. Rep. 006 Diane Black (R)
007 Marsha Blackburn (R)
TX U.S. Rep. 012 Kay Granger (R)
UT U.S. Rep. 004 Mia Love (R)
VA U.S. Rep. 010 Barbara Comstock (R)
WA U.S. Rep.
003 Jaime Herrera Beutler (R)
005 Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R)
WY U.S. Rep. AL Liz Cheney (R)
Cyrano
(15,043 posts)So your point is that Republicans elect women?
Check out the states and districts they're representing. Who were they running against? How many benefited from voter suppression, voter ID, "lost votes," "scrubbed voting lists," misinforming calls about voting sites and dates, and all out Republican tactics to steal votes?
So your point is???
And this one I just can't resist. Liz Cheney in Wyoming? Twelve people live in Wyoming and they all know Dick Cheney.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That they are insane? Not women? What?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That list is specifically Republican women.
I don't think a single one of them believes the things you posted that it is necessary for them to believe.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)Jaime Herrera Beutler (R) Is running on the ever important "Kill The Sea Lions!" message.
She has twice the (big) money as her opponent. Carolyn Long (D) who is running on "Healthcare!"
We donate as much as we can. Keep your fingers crossed. It's kinda a terror cell of 53 percenters here, but maybe the War Against Sea Lions is not as appetizing a message as Jaime thinks.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Turin_C3PO
(14,016 posts)why would anyone whos not a straight, white, rich, Christian, male vote for them?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to regard it as necessary to spite and block libtards, rather than themselves.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)They don't think they are able to understand all that "political stuff", so they hand their ballots to their men. Don't think this doesn't happen in states with mail in ballots.
lancelyons
(988 posts)That is why the wave of women could work for us this election but that could change fairly quickly. Many of the men that are married to these women are very strong masculine types that force their ideas.
Fox news is very much to blame.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Turin_C3PO
(14,016 posts)It was pointed out to me in another post that African-Americans are the most religious demographic and, at the same time, are the most consistently reliable Democratic voters.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Unfortunately, the white Christians who vote Republican are so numerous that they are also the majority of all Christians. That will change in time, but for now it is true.
lancelyons
(988 posts)This is all a propaganda tactic that worked for the GOP.
Use FOX news to push fake stories about liberals or the left to scare the GOP supporters to death.
That is the only way I can explain what we see.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Ohiogal
(32,026 posts)She told me he is a buffoon, but she voted for him because she thought he'd lower her taxes. No concern about anything else.
Republicans look upon paying taxes as robbery, doncha know. Robbing the rich to give to the (lazy) poor. I have heard this many times.
Also, and I believe this was said already, women can certainly be bigoted and hateful just as much as men can.
demigoddess
(6,642 posts)to give to the lazy poor. And that the lazy poor are always democrats. Probably atheist democrats.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)They also tend to vastly overestimate how much of their income they actually pay in taxes, especially federal income tax. Your sister probably thinks her federal income tax burden is much higher than it really is.
Ohiogal
(32,026 posts)"I have to keep working because lazy people need their "free stuff" paid for with my taxes".
She lives in a very nice house ,(nicer than mine,) and drives a new car. (,much newer than mine)
Mariana
(14,858 posts)federal income tax she pays as a percentage of her gross income, roughly. Then, see if she'll dig out her last few 1040's and calculate it. It's not an intrusive question, because you're not asking her what her income is or how many dollars in tax she paid. You just want to know that percentage.
My Republican father actually refused to perform that calculation when I asked him. He says he doesn't have to because he already knows, but he's wrong and he pays much less than he thinks he does.
treestar
(82,383 posts)need to be questioned. I think it is possible that most of the middle class is not paying anything for the poor. The rich might. But the middle class gets tax deductions and credits to a point where they are probably not really paying for much. And they don't mind paying a lot more for the military or Dump's golf vacations.
ansible
(1,718 posts)I don't know why we have to thread softly around this issue, being female doesn't make a person any less likely to be extremely bigoted and hateful. Trump has a lot of diehard female supporters.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)In the same token I stopped considering them people with a valid yet different political opinion as I have, someone with whom compromise should be reached but instead look at them as a threat to my peace, as an enemy to my existence and someone with whom I shall give no quarter.
DinahMoeHum
(21,801 posts)a) She is STUPID.
b) She is in on the scam herself.
c) She is married to a man who is in on the scam.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)nt
Ellen Forradalom
(16,160 posts)"Right-Wing Women: The Politics of the Domesticated Female" by Andrea Dworkin.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)German immigrant family was interred in a camp in Texas during WWII. (Yes, those existed.) She was divorced from an asshole who cheated on her, was briefly married to a slug who sat around watching tv all day, and now is retired in Arizona after raising three sons. Cannot fathom why she's a diehard Repuke gun enthusiast who thinks Christine Blasey Ford's testimony was much ado about nothing. It boggles the mind that a woman who's been through so much would worship the ground an ass like Trump walks on. I blame a lot of it on addiction to Faux "News," but at some point you do have to wonder WTF is going on and why is a woman like her so stubbornly backward.
Farmergene
(76 posts)A cartoon of a woman takeing her brain out of her head and placing it in a washing machine labled "Fox news" but for the life of me, I cant draw worth beans
liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)kimbutgar
(21,172 posts)The Girls father refused to take her to the hospital during a low blood sugar diabetic event and he ignored my friends pleas to take his daughter to the hospital. She blamed herself for something out of her control. The grief from this incident pushed her to fundamentalist beliefs. The same thing happened to an great aunt of mine who lost her 5 year old unexpectedly. The grief pushed them to extreme Christianitan fundamentalism.
Grief can cause havoc on ones soul.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)Culture being a soft way of saying racism and bigotry.
no_hypocrisy
(46,146 posts)Wonder if the DC hookers are boycotting him.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,493 posts)But, not just the Republican's dogma pushed for 30 years or so of anti-tax/anti-government and Democrats are all bad sort of stuff. It's also a culture-related brainwashing we've all experienced where climbing the ladder of success and gaining more wealth is the end-all be-all of human life's end game, along with rampant materialism and monitization of everything.
Democrats are almost as vulnerable to the effects of this as Republicans, except we tend to draw a different line as to where it stops and we're much more open-minded, compassionate and unselfish. In my personal experience, Republicans tend to be much more of selfish/self-centered genetics and therefore far more likely to buy into right-wing dogma.
Men of that type are likely to be much more dogmatic over it because we men are by nature more insecure in our skins than women (but we cleverly hide it), so therefore more susceptible to fear-based bullshit.
Psychologists have confirmed that there's primitive genetic strains in both men and women who's personalities require a strict leadership structure, and that those same people typically are full of fears of outsiders and teachings outside of their clan's system of belief. Those people are highly likely to be Republicans and are easily duped by people like Reagan and Trump that put on the airs of strong leadership - square jaw lines, radio voice, big shoulder pads and all. Policy positions are much less of a consideration to them than having someone they can look up to, just as they do their dads, preachers and corporate bosses. To me, that explains much of their blindness to reason.
Just my 2c worth - no expert, just experiences of life. End of rant.......
Nitram
(22,843 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)plus all the religious bullshit they learned from very young ages reinforces it.
Nitram
(22,843 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)through their religions. They want other women to conform like they have.