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Cyrano

(15,043 posts)
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:21 PM Oct 2018

Why would any woman ever vote for a Republican?

Over the past few decades, the Republican Party has demonstrated how they feel about women.

They believe a woman's body should be controlled by laws passed by men.

They believe women are lying when they say they were sexually assaulted.

They believe that women should obey their husbands.

And, what they don't say out loud, is that a woman's right to vote should be repealed.

I know there are women who have been so brainwashed that they accept and even enable their own victimization.

I know there are women who are beaten into submission and will do whatever they're told.

I know there are women who are afraid that their husbands will be looking over their shoulders when they vote.

And I also know that there are millions upon millions of women who would gladly vote against any Republican.

What I can't understand is women, who are not abused, or brainwashed, or living in fear, would ever voting for any Republican. And those who do? WTF?

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Why would any woman ever vote for a Republican? (Original Post) Cyrano Oct 2018 OP
I can't figure out why anyone would vote for a Republican. It drives me nuts to think how popular Vinca Oct 2018 #1
Many white men want to keep their privileged status Cyrano Oct 2018 #7
Yeah, Those Male Coal Miners Without A Steady Job. . . ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #19
They are dumb, but perceived privilege is there, too Blecht Oct 2018 #47
They vote for candidates "Sent By Gawd". nt Progressive Jones Oct 2018 #49
Agreed. J_William_Ryan Oct 2018 #2
I know a couple of Trump voting women who don't believe any of that. Autumn Oct 2018 #3
Republicans Also Fight Against Equal Pay dlk Oct 2018 #4
My sister does whatever her wingnut husband wants her to do, period. Moostache Oct 2018 #5
'Bat guano huffing'. ....LOL !! alittlelark Oct 2018 #37
Here is a related article. CentralMass Oct 2018 #6
I would like to know Ohiogal Oct 2018 #54
They have had asshole fathers or husbands randr Oct 2018 #8
I can speak for one. AirmensMom Oct 2018 #9
Stockholm Syndrome? Cyrano Oct 2018 #10
Seems that way. AirmensMom Oct 2018 #13
The wealthy group is not interested in rights for all women. They may not like Trump BeckyDem Oct 2018 #11
I don't think that women are any greedier or dumber than anyone else Cyrano Oct 2018 #16
I know women who like being the princess on a pedestal. They vote to help their men stay rich. haele Oct 2018 #23
Good point! I see it a little different than you do. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #25
They are immune to the many ills of life, they just don't have much concern for those who AJT Oct 2018 #28
No one can hide from climate change, especially their kids. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #35
Maybe they think they can build an ark..... AJT Oct 2018 #41
I swear, I would not put it past some of them. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #42
A boat full of spoiled libertarians. What a nightmare. AJT Oct 2018 #43
they aren't greedier or dumber qazplm135 Oct 2018 #26
Racism and sexism. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #12
+1 violetpastille Oct 2018 #52
Living with men they fear will harm them if they disagree with them? nt LexVegas Oct 2018 #14
You can ignore this reality as hard as you'd like.... jberryhill Oct 2018 #15
That's 20% of the entire congress. All women. Cyrano Oct 2018 #17
What's your point? jberryhill Oct 2018 #18
No, that's not 20% of the entire congress jberryhill Oct 2018 #33
My WA-03 Representative violetpastille Oct 2018 #55
"Twelve people live in Wyoming and they all know Dick Cheney." Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2018 #56
My question is, Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #20
Proof of tribal loyalty? Understandable if they choose Hortensis Oct 2018 #21
Because they let their husbands vote for them? ProudLib72 Oct 2018 #22
Alot of what you say is true. lancelyons Oct 2018 #29
Because they are Christian. Most Christians vote Republican. nt. Mariana Oct 2018 #24
Most WHITE Christians vote Republican. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #30
Most Christians vote Republican. Mariana Oct 2018 #36
because they have been programmed to hate liberals and not trust the main stream media lancelyons Oct 2018 #27
If every woman voted like AA women, we wouldn't have any problems. joshcryer Oct 2018 #31
My sister voted for the Anus Ohiogal Oct 2018 #32
they are taught that taxes equal socialism. As well as the robbing the rich demigoddess Oct 2018 #34
Republicans look upon paying taxes as robbery. Mariana Oct 2018 #39
She says stuff like Ohiogal Oct 2018 #53
You might ask her to estimate how much Mariana Oct 2018 #58
That is exactly what they think, and they treestar Oct 2018 #62
Bingo, you nailed it ansible Oct 2018 #40
I stopped caring WHY they vote for them and just accept that they do. The Liberal Lion Oct 2018 #38
I can think of only three reasons why. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2018 #44
Self-centered Fear. maxsolomon Oct 2018 #45
Here's a good read Ellen Forradalom Oct 2018 #46
I know a 75 year old woman, a breast and ovarian Stage 4 cancer survivor, whose LibDemAlways Oct 2018 #48
I'm picturing, in my mind... Farmergene Oct 2018 #50
Million dollar questions liberal N proud Oct 2018 #51
I had a friend who experienced the loss of beloved 16 year old step daughter unexpectedly because kimbutgar Oct 2018 #57
Religious indoctrination and/or culture Cosmocat Oct 2018 #59
Similar to the imponderable of why any woman would sleep with DJT. no_hypocrisy Oct 2018 #60
Short answer - yes, it is brainwashing. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #61
Patriarchy would never gain dominance if women did not support it. Nitram Oct 2018 #63
Gender roles taught to girls and boys from very young ages is why anyone supports it Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #65
Yes, Zing Zing, you are right. It is hard to break out of that conditioning. Nitram Oct 2018 #66
Hard for me to totally get too, but some women have bought into the gender roles they were taught Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #64

Vinca

(50,299 posts)
1. I can't figure out why anyone would vote for a Republican. It drives me nuts to think how popular
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:23 PM
Oct 2018

Democratic programs and policies are, but the same people who can't live without them vote for morons like Steve King and Donald Trump.

Cyrano

(15,043 posts)
7. Many white men want to keep their privileged status
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:29 PM
Oct 2018

Women, and all the other "THEMS," want a seat at the table. Many privileged white men say "Fuck 'em."

ProfessorGAC

(65,111 posts)
19. Yeah, Those Male Coal Miners Without A Steady Job. . .
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:46 PM
Oct 2018

. . .sure were privileged.

No.

They were dumb.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
47. They are dumb, but perceived privilege is there, too
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 06:29 PM
Oct 2018

They don't like seeing the privilege they once had disappear. They want their rightful place above people of color -- MAGA!

It's a cocktail of equal parts stupidity and racism.

J_William_Ryan

(1,755 posts)
2. Agreed.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:25 PM
Oct 2018

But there are women who are bigots and racists, and women who are ignorant frightened and hateful.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
3. I know a couple of Trump voting women who don't believe any of that.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:27 PM
Oct 2018

Their husbands make around 350K a year. They vote for tax cuts.

dlk

(11,574 posts)
4. Republicans Also Fight Against Equal Pay
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:27 PM
Oct 2018

and basically anything that supports women. They are truly the women-haters party.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
5. My sister does whatever her wingnut husband wants her to do, period.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:27 PM
Oct 2018

Stepford wife has replaced my sister. We no longer speak or have any kind of meaningful relationship because of him and his bat guano huffing crazy ass conspiracy theories and racism.

Tragic, but I fear that is not a very uncommon story...

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
6. Here is a related article.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:28 PM
Oct 2018

Note: I'm just posting the article for the discussion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/22/whats-wrong-with-white-women-voters-heres-the-problem-with-that-question/
"
It also ignores the fact that a majority of white women have voted for the Republican presidential nominee in all but two elections since 1952."

"Among women overall, 54 percent identified as Democrats or lean Democratic and 38 percent said they were or lean Republican, according to the Pew Research Center’s party identification report. Among white women, however, voter identification was split almost evenly — 47 percent Republican and 46 percent Democrat. Still the percentage of white women who identify as Republicans is far lower than white men, 61 percent of whom say they are or lean Republican.

Women, just like men, tend to vote based on their party affiliation and ideology, and Dittmar said it’s wrong to assume these women don’t know what they’re doing. For some women, free markets, smaller government and curbing abortion “is pro-women. They see that as particularly helpful to women and families, so it doesn’t seem to stand in contrast to voting for somebody from that party.”

AirmensMom

(14,643 posts)
9. I can speak for one.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:32 PM
Oct 2018

She tells me that her mom told her to always vote Republican and she really doesn't pay attention to "all that." Her BF and teen-twenties sons like the orange anus. The ironic thing is that when I actually talk with her about the issues, she talks like a Democrat. But she will vote R every time, guaranteed. I don't know if it would be different if she had daughters.

AirmensMom

(14,643 posts)
13. Seems that way.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:43 PM
Oct 2018

I'm more inclined to believe that they're just uninformed. When I read the emails from my reps, I can certainly understand why. They are just as big liars as the big con is. Here's an example: "Senate Republicans blocked a Democrat effort this week that would take away from millions of Americans the option to buy more affordable health insurance." Every R in this state will believe that and then be shocked when their cheap insurance won't cover whatever ails them... and then blame it on Obama.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
11. The wealthy group is not interested in rights for all women. They may not like Trump
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:37 PM
Oct 2018

very much but not enough to pay more in taxes for it.

They're not that into women as they are money. If abortion is outlawed, that is one example, they'll pay for it privately, it will not be a life or death scenario for them.

Oh and they're dumb, greedy and dumb.

Cyrano

(15,043 posts)
16. I don't think that women are any greedier or dumber than anyone else
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:08 PM
Oct 2018

But for women who are not being coerced, or living in fear, or being physically/sexually abused, the word "dumb" seems to be a good explanation. After all, who would vote for someone who wants to take away your independence, your freedoms and your individuality. The word "dumb" seems to explain that.

haele

(12,663 posts)
23. I know women who like being the princess on a pedestal. They vote to help their men stay rich.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:56 PM
Oct 2018

So they can be kept in the manner they are accustomed; they feel they are in complete control, even as they infantilize themselves - so long as they can keep their men happy and wealthy.
Other women are either peers who can also just do whatever they feel like - or don't exist to them.

Haele

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
25. Good point! I see it a little different than you do.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 02:31 PM
Oct 2018

I see a class of mostly white wealthy conservative women and their "values" aligned with someone like Laura Bush. Educated and capable of reading scientific journals and able to digest that climate science is real. They know there is no boogeyman scientific community out there trying to take their freedom away. They know Rush and Hannity are full of shit.

But what they prefer to do is allow their greed gene run that part of the brain and go with that, which spells seriously dumb people to me. There is no where their money can take them, especially their children/grandchildren, to avoid climate change disaster.

From that perspective, why would Kavanaugh concern them? I just don't see it. I believe they believe they're immune to the many ills of life.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
28. They are immune to the many ills of life, they just don't have much concern for those who
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 02:42 PM
Oct 2018

are not immune. Money may not buy happiness, but it allows you to live in a bubble that keeps you from seeing anything negative that is happening around you. Wealthy women will not be hurt by the policies of the extreme right because everyone has a price and they will just buy any trouble that they have away.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
26. they aren't greedier or dumber
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 02:35 PM
Oct 2018

but they also aren't more altruistic or smarter.

Women, men both capable of self-delusion, being deceived, being racist or sexist or trapped by harmful dogma.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
12. Racism and sexism.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 12:38 PM
Oct 2018

The dominant religions in the US are white supremacy and patriarchy. Women are not immune.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. You can ignore this reality as hard as you'd like....
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:01 PM
Oct 2018

Ignoring reality is never a good long term approach to anything.

Senate:

AK U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R)
IA U.S. Sen. Joni Ernst (R)
ME U.S. Sen. Susan Collins (R)
MS U.S. Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R)
NE U.S. Sen. Deb Fischer (R)
WV U.S. Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R)

U.S. House of Representatives -
AL U.S. Rep. 002 Martha Roby (R)

AS U.S. Del. AL Amata Radewagen (R)

AZ U.S. Rep. 002 Martha McSally (R)
008 Debbie Lesko (R)

CA U.S. Rep.
045 Mimi Walters (R)

FL U.S. Rep.
027 Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R)

GA U.S. Rep. 006 Karen Handel (R)

IN U.S. Rep. 002 Jackie Walorski (R)
005 Susan Brooks (R)

KS U.S. Rep. 002 Lynn Jenkins (R)

MO U.S. Rep. 002 Ann Wagner (R)
004 Vicky Hartzler (R)

NC 005 Virginia Foxx (R)


NY U.S. Rep.
021 Elise Stefanik (R)
022 Claudia Tenney (R)


PR U.S. Del. AL Jenniffer Gonzalez (R)

SD U.S. Rep. AL Kristi Noem (R)

TN U.S. Rep. 006 Diane Black (R)
007 Marsha Blackburn (R)

TX U.S. Rep. 012 Kay Granger (R)

UT U.S. Rep. 004 Mia Love (R)

VA U.S. Rep. 010 Barbara Comstock (R)

WA U.S. Rep.
003 Jaime Herrera Beutler (R)
005 Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R)

WY U.S. Rep. AL Liz Cheney (R)

Cyrano

(15,043 posts)
17. That's 20% of the entire congress. All women.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:23 PM
Oct 2018

So your point is that Republicans elect women?

Check out the states and districts they're representing. Who were they running against? How many benefited from voter suppression, voter ID, "lost votes," "scrubbed voting lists," misinforming calls about voting sites and dates, and all out Republican tactics to steal votes?

So your point is???

And this one I just can't resist. Liz Cheney in Wyoming? Twelve people live in Wyoming and they all know Dick Cheney.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
33. No, that's not 20% of the entire congress
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 03:20 PM
Oct 2018

That list is specifically Republican women.

I don't think a single one of them believes the things you posted that it is necessary for them to believe.

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
55. My WA-03 Representative
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 10:51 PM
Oct 2018

Jaime Herrera Beutler (R) Is running on the ever important "Kill The Sea Lions!" message.

She has twice the (big) money as her opponent. Carolyn Long (D) who is running on "Healthcare!"

We donate as much as we can. Keep your fingers crossed. It's kinda a terror cell of 53 percenters here, but maybe the War Against Sea Lions is not as appetizing a message as Jaime thinks.

Turin_C3PO

(14,016 posts)
20. My question is,
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:46 PM
Oct 2018

why would anyone who’s not a straight, white, rich, Christian, male vote for them?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Proof of tribal loyalty? Understandable if they choose
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:46 PM
Oct 2018

to regard it as necessary to spite and block libtards, rather than themselves.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
22. Because they let their husbands vote for them?
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 01:50 PM
Oct 2018

They don't think they are able to understand all that "political stuff", so they hand their ballots to their men. Don't think this doesn't happen in states with mail in ballots.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
29. Alot of what you say is true.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 02:44 PM
Oct 2018

That is why the wave of women could work for us this election but that could change fairly quickly. Many of the men that are married to these women are very strong masculine types that force their ideas.

Fox news is very much to blame.

Turin_C3PO

(14,016 posts)
30. Most WHITE Christians vote Republican.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 02:49 PM
Oct 2018

It was pointed out to me in another post that African-Americans are the most religious demographic and, at the same time, are the most consistently reliable Democratic voters.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
36. Most Christians vote Republican.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 04:08 PM
Oct 2018

Unfortunately, the white Christians who vote Republican are so numerous that they are also the majority of all Christians. That will change in time, but for now it is true.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
27. because they have been programmed to hate liberals and not trust the main stream media
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 02:42 PM
Oct 2018

This is all a propaganda tactic that worked for the GOP.

Use FOX news to push fake stories about liberals or the left to scare the GOP supporters to death.

That is the only way I can explain what we see.

Ohiogal

(32,026 posts)
32. My sister voted for the Anus
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 03:15 PM
Oct 2018

She told me he is a buffoon, but she voted for him because she thought he'd lower her taxes. No concern about anything else.

Republicans look upon paying taxes as robbery, doncha know. Robbing the rich to give to the (lazy) poor. I have heard this many times.

Also, and I believe this was said already, women can certainly be bigoted and hateful just as much as men can.

demigoddess

(6,642 posts)
34. they are taught that taxes equal socialism. As well as the robbing the rich
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 03:41 PM
Oct 2018

to give to the lazy poor. And that the lazy poor are always democrats. Probably atheist democrats.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
39. Republicans look upon paying taxes as robbery.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 04:13 PM
Oct 2018

They also tend to vastly overestimate how much of their income they actually pay in taxes, especially federal income tax. Your sister probably thinks her federal income tax burden is much higher than it really is.

Ohiogal

(32,026 posts)
53. She says stuff like
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 10:43 PM
Oct 2018

"I have to keep working because lazy people need their "free stuff" paid for with my taxes".

She lives in a very nice house ,(nicer than mine,) and drives a new car. (,much newer than mine)

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
58. You might ask her to estimate how much
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 02:14 AM
Oct 2018

federal income tax she pays as a percentage of her gross income, roughly. Then, see if she'll dig out her last few 1040's and calculate it. It's not an intrusive question, because you're not asking her what her income is or how many dollars in tax she paid. You just want to know that percentage.

My Republican father actually refused to perform that calculation when I asked him. He says he doesn't have to because he already knows, but he's wrong and he pays much less than he thinks he does.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
62. That is exactly what they think, and they
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 08:31 AM
Oct 2018

need to be questioned. I think it is possible that most of the middle class is not paying anything for the poor. The rich might. But the middle class gets tax deductions and credits to a point where they are probably not really paying for much. And they don't mind paying a lot more for the military or Dump's golf vacations.

 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
40. Bingo, you nailed it
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 04:14 PM
Oct 2018

I don't know why we have to thread softly around this issue, being female doesn't make a person any less likely to be extremely bigoted and hateful. Trump has a lot of diehard female supporters.

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
38. I stopped caring WHY they vote for them and just accept that they do.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 04:11 PM
Oct 2018

In the same token I stopped considering them people with a valid yet different political opinion as I have, someone with whom compromise should be reached but instead look at them as a threat to my peace, as an enemy to my existence and someone with whom I shall give no quarter.

DinahMoeHum

(21,801 posts)
44. I can think of only three reasons why. . .
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 06:11 PM
Oct 2018

a) She is STUPID.

b) She is in on the scam herself.

c) She is married to a man who is in on the scam.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
48. I know a 75 year old woman, a breast and ovarian Stage 4 cancer survivor, whose
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 07:11 PM
Oct 2018

German immigrant family was interred in a camp in Texas during WWII. (Yes, those existed.) She was divorced from an asshole who cheated on her, was briefly married to a slug who sat around watching tv all day, and now is retired in Arizona after raising three sons. Cannot fathom why she's a diehard Repuke gun enthusiast who thinks Christine Blasey Ford's testimony was much ado about nothing. It boggles the mind that a woman who's been through so much would worship the ground an ass like Trump walks on. I blame a lot of it on addiction to Faux "News," but at some point you do have to wonder WTF is going on and why is a woman like her so stubbornly backward.

Farmergene

(76 posts)
50. I'm picturing, in my mind...
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 10:20 PM
Oct 2018

A cartoon of a woman takeing her brain out of her head and placing it in a washing machine labled "Fox news" but for the life of me, I cant draw worth beans

kimbutgar

(21,172 posts)
57. I had a friend who experienced the loss of beloved 16 year old step daughter unexpectedly because
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 11:13 PM
Oct 2018

The Girls father refused to take her to the hospital during a low blood sugar diabetic event and he ignored my friends pleas to take his daughter to the hospital. She blamed herself for something out of her control. The grief from this incident pushed her to fundamentalist beliefs. The same thing happened to an great aunt of mine who lost her 5 year old unexpectedly. The grief pushed them to extreme Christianitan fundamentalism.

Grief can cause havoc on ones soul.

no_hypocrisy

(46,146 posts)
60. Similar to the imponderable of why any woman would sleep with DJT.
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 07:35 AM
Oct 2018

Wonder if the DC hookers are boycotting him.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,493 posts)
61. Short answer - yes, it is brainwashing.
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 08:19 AM
Oct 2018

But, not just the Republican's dogma pushed for 30 years or so of anti-tax/anti-government and Democrats are all bad sort of stuff. It's also a culture-related brainwashing we've all experienced where climbing the ladder of success and gaining more wealth is the end-all be-all of human life's end game, along with rampant materialism and monitization of everything.

Democrats are almost as vulnerable to the effects of this as Republicans, except we tend to draw a different line as to where it stops and we're much more open-minded, compassionate and unselfish. In my personal experience, Republicans tend to be much more of selfish/self-centered genetics and therefore far more likely to buy into right-wing dogma.

Men of that type are likely to be much more dogmatic over it because we men are by nature more insecure in our skins than women (but we cleverly hide it), so therefore more susceptible to fear-based bullshit.

Psychologists have confirmed that there's primitive genetic strains in both men and women who's personalities require a strict leadership structure, and that those same people typically are full of fears of outsiders and teachings outside of their clan's system of belief. Those people are highly likely to be Republicans and are easily duped by people like Reagan and Trump that put on the airs of strong leadership - square jaw lines, radio voice, big shoulder pads and all. Policy positions are much less of a consideration to them than having someone they can look up to, just as they do their dads, preachers and corporate bosses. To me, that explains much of their blindness to reason.

Just my 2c worth - no expert, just experiences of life. End of rant.......

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
65. Gender roles taught to girls and boys from very young ages is why anyone supports it
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 09:49 AM
Oct 2018

plus all the religious bullshit they learned from very young ages reinforces it.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
64. Hard for me to totally get too, but some women have bought into the gender roles they were taught
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 09:47 AM
Oct 2018

through their religions. They want other women to conform like they have.

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