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A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 09:19 PM Oct 2018

A few things about the Post Office and how it works from...well...me. (This might get a little long)

First of all, a disclaimer;

I am NOT an employee of the United States Postal Service. There may be details in what follows that are not entirely correct or that are not complete. If anyone has further knowledge, I am happy to be corrected.

In my latest position as an Over The Road truck driver, I am now working for a Postal Contractor. I worked in Motor Racing, hauled general freight, hauled cars and now I move mail between cities from one large facility to another.

A couple points on how mail moves from here to there;

When you post a letter in the mailbox at your driveway, it's picked up by a guy who typically goes to your nearest post office, where all the mail he or she has picked up that day is dumped into large hampers. Those hampers are then loaded onto a larger truck that takes your letter to the next stop, which might be in your city or town, or many miles away, sometimes in the totally opposite direction of its destination.

There are facilities that "Sort for the street" meaning they have the equipment to arrange letters and packages so they are in order and easily delivered and are then loaded onto the vehicle that brings mail to your house and/or business. There are facilities that simply sort by zip code. The ones that sort for the street are typically called a "P&DC" or "Processing and Distribution Center" (Or "P&DF" for "Processing and Distribution Facility" ) and the ones that sort by zip code are typically called an "NDC" (Network Distribution Centers). NDC's used to be called "Bulk Mail Centers", and some still are, but most have taken on the acronym "NDC" . A P&DC here in my town of Jacksonville, Florida might very well sort for the street in your neighborhood, if for instance, it has a contract to do so for a large mailer, like an insurance company or similar (Often large mailers will pre sort in-house and as a result get a discount on postage). Mostly however, my local P& DC sorts mail going out of town only down to the FIRST 3 numbers of a zip code. Further sorting is done at the destination P&DC.

However,,,,

P&DC's get mail in via tractor trailer from distant cities as well as getting it from small US mail trucks who may make multiple stops gathering unsorted mail from smaller post offices. They also get mail from even smaller contractors who gather mail in a vehicle as small as a minivan or as large as a Ryder straight truck. All this mail has yet to be sorted to street level. Some may have already been sorted down to zip code and even down to the last 2 digits of a zip code, but typically, mail coming into a P&DC is NOT sorted for the street.

My firm deals with and delivers to and ships from two MAJOR postal facilities; P&DC's and NDC's

An NDC DOES NOT take in mail from the street. It only handles mail delivered and shipped via tractor trailer or large straight truck. In other words, the smaller blue US Mail trucks we are all familiar with, do NOT enter into, nor are they dispatched from an NDC. Mail going FROM Florida to say...the Bay Area of California, will be loaded onto a tractor trailer at our NDC here in JAX and sent to another NDC in Richmond, North of Oakland, for instance, and THEN to a P&DC to get further sorted for delivery. Shipping from an NDC to a P&DC happens, but it is not that common as far as my firm is concerned.

So why is any of this important or or how does it relate to recent events?

I want to illustrate and make clear how and more importantly, WHEN an individual letter or package is tracked.

Some speculation here and elsewhere relates to how the bomb maker actually got these packages into the system in the first place as well as how far down the chain the Post Office is able to track an individual letter or package. From what I have gathered, he used simple, padded envelopes, the kind you can buy by the hundreds at any Office Depot anywhere.

THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE WILL DELIVER ALMOST ANYTHING, PROVIDED IT HAS PROPER POSTAGE.

They will and regularly do deliver baby chicks, honey bees, crickets, worms and other small animals as long as they are hardy enough to stand the rigors of the process. They won't handle puppies and kittens, or any livestock of any kind, but you can ship a small chicken via the post office, no problem.

So what gets tracked and how?

Your letter to Aunt Flo at Christmas time, sent with a "Forever" stamp or other first class mail WILL NOT BE INDIVIDUALLY TRACKED. You can send it "Priority" or "Registered" (in the latter case there is an actual chain of custody that is rigorously enforced, including receiving from and handing off to specific personnel) and then a bar code is attached to those individual pieces, but otherwise, regular, individual pieces of mail are only scanned as a member of a group of other similar pieces according to zip code. In other words, it's loaded onto a truck along with hundreds of other letters going to the same basic zip code and is scanned onto and off of the truck as a group. If you take a package down to your local PO to send to your Aunt, unless you pay for special handling, it is NOT individually scanned into the system. Federal Express and The United Parcel Service absolutely DO scan individual packages, regardless of size or service level.

The Post Office does not.

The Post Office knows when a cart loaded with mail from the 33### area codes (South Florida, as an example) arrived in the Post Office facility handling 208## codes (Metro DC, Maryland). They can tell you the trailer number it was loaded on, the drivers name and the company/contractor who hauled it, but can not tell you which exact letters were on the cart. UNLESS THEY ARE PRIORITY OR REGISTERED.

So this person could have made up all his packages and popped one into each of 10 different mailboxes or even taken them into different Post Offices and the Post Office system would not know exactly when they were dropped off or when they went through the initial sort. The system will "Postmark" each package, something I am sure we are all aware of, and even though much of the modernization of the processing equipment includes photographing individual pieces as they are postmarked, there is still no way to track that piece from start to finish, unless it is, as I previously stated, sent with a higher level of service.

The individual post office might be able to say "A cart of mail going to New York City Zip Codes left our dock at 8 Am" but they would not be able to say with absolute certainty that this mans bombs were among them.

In the case of mail destined to The White House, Congress and/or the US Capital or protected individuals, mail goes through a further sorting/distribution center where it is more closely scrutinized before delivery. These facilities are the ones that found the suspicious packages addressed to the Clinton's and the Obama's among others.

I hope that all made sense and give a wee bit of insight into how this shit happens.

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A few things about the Post Office and how it works from...well...me. (This might get a little long) (Original Post) A HERETIC I AM Oct 2018 OP
Thanks for that very detailed description about the USPS. We all want better accountability erronis Oct 2018 #1
That was very informative. Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2018 #2
The volume IS astonishing. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2018 #5
That kinda', sorta' explains why it took five days for my Certified Return Receipt letter Totally Tunsie Oct 2018 #3
FedEx was the same way. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2018 #4
I read through your post hoping to find out why a package may not have a post mark. boston bean Oct 2018 #6
The trucks that I drive are sealed A HERETIC I AM Oct 2018 #7
According to folks on MSNBC, it was the odd-shaped soft packages -- they were hand sorted. eppur_se_muova Oct 2018 #8

erronis

(15,287 posts)
1. Thanks for that very detailed description about the USPS. We all want better accountability
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 09:39 PM
Oct 2018

but don't want our privacy infringed upon. Can't have it both ways, it seems.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
2. That was very informative. Thank you.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 10:16 PM
Oct 2018

People also don't have any clue as to just how much mail the Post Office handles every single day.

Recently I was dropping off some mail at the local post office, and dropping it into one of the six big blue boxes that are out front, with a separate driveway to pull up to those boxes. Mail is collected from them four times a day Monday through Friday, and three times on Saturday. I happened to pull up just as an employee was collecting the mail. I only saw how much he was pulling from two of the boxes, and it was astonishing. Basically, the big blue mailboxes were packed full after about three hours.

Any time someone tries to complain about the mail service, I'm sorely tempted to hand them a letter and fifty cents and ask that they get it to somewhere in rural Idaho or a Florida swamp within three days. Our Post Office is remarkable.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
5. The volume IS astonishing.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 10:35 PM
Oct 2018

This is when the Christmas season starts ramping up, and many large NDC's will rent entire warehouses to handle to overflow. They will send in scanning and sorting equipment, hire seasonal people and work out of a remote facility through the 2nd week of January.

I delivered to one the other day. 20 or so loading doors/docks and an enormous floor that was easily 100 X 100 yards square. By the 1st week of December it will be chock=a=block full.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
3. That kinda', sorta' explains why it took five days for my Certified Return Receipt letter
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 10:22 PM
Oct 2018

to go from the Post Office to the BUILDING NEXT DOOR to the PO. I brought it into the PO for the certification and asked the clerk if it would be delivered the next day. I pointed out the PO window to the next building indicating that was where it was going. They could have walked it over and been back in five minutes. Clerk said "It might have to go through the system, but I'll put it aside for a carrier to take". It did go through the system, and I tracked its journey. Had I not needed the Certification, I would have hand delivered it myself. But no...it took a full five days at a cost of $6.20 to get back to a building 200' away from the start point.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
4. FedEx was the same way.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 10:31 PM
Oct 2018

I say "was" because I think they are allowed to move intrastate now, but I could be wrong.

It used to be that if you sent something FedEx Priority one across town, it would fly to Memphis and then back to your city. Because of the type of business charter they were set up under, they were required to use a sorting facility that was out of your state, even though you just wanted something moved 4 miles or 4 blocks (or whatever).

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
6. I read through your post hoping to find out why a package may not have a post mark.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 10:41 PM
Oct 2018

Do you know why that might happen?

Could a person who drives one of these trucks to sorting facilities have placed the packages on the truck and that is why it may not have a post mark.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
7. The trucks that I drive are sealed
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 10:57 PM
Oct 2018

And breaking one of those seals without the direct permission or under the supervision of an agent is a federal offense.

As to why some mail doesn't get postmarked, there could be any number of reasons, including two pieces of mail stuck together and running through the unit like that. Also, not every single piece of mail is postmarked by a machine. Bulky or odd sized/shaped items are done by hand and...well...mistakes happen.

As I said though, I am not a Postal worker. I've been in quite a few sorting centers now, but I have yet to have the chance to watch one of the machines in operation for an extended period.

eppur_se_muova

(36,266 posts)
8. According to folks on MSNBC, it was the odd-shaped soft packages -- they were hand sorted.
Thu Oct 25, 2018, 11:17 PM
Oct 2018

Thanks for all the info. It's mostly what I thought it would be, but I had been puzzled to learn earlier that all packages are electronically photographed, but that didn't mean they could be tracked precisly. You've made it clear that since the photographs are done at a centralized location, rather than the P.O. of origination, that some info re. the place of origin is already lost.

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