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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:00 AM Oct 2018

Someone yesterday on MSNBC commented that the FBI

will have DNA evidence because "they licked the stamps." Apparently that person has not mailed a letter for some time. The USPS has not used stamps with water-activated adhesive for a very long time, now. All current stamps are peel-and-stick. That's how it has been for years.

Worse, nobody commented on the misstatement.

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Someone yesterday on MSNBC commented that the FBI (Original Post) MineralMan Oct 2018 OP
But if they didn't know the stamps were self-stick, they might have licked them anyway jberryhill Oct 2018 #1
LOL! MineralMan Oct 2018 #3
Well a lot of people here beat you to it jberryhill Oct 2018 #6
Lol what a moron. bearsfootball516 Oct 2018 #2
The USPS started introducing peel-and-stick stamps MineralMan Oct 2018 #12
I saw that, and that was my first thought too. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2018 #4
Obviously that person hasn't mailed anything with a stamp in many years. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #5
Or they are still working off of that roll in their junk drawer jberryhill Oct 2018 #8
Cat hair always ends up stuck to damn near everything! Silver Gaia Oct 2018 #10
Cat hair sticks to everything. It's a miraculous thing. MineralMan Oct 2018 #13
People have found uses for dryer lint... TreasonousBastard Oct 2018 #21
We always put some of our dog's shedded undercoat MineralMan Oct 2018 #23
That's so funny! Bird Society probably lauds the birds spooky3 Oct 2018 #26
No, they'll take cat hair, too, for nest-building. MineralMan Oct 2018 #27
Ok; that will motivate me to make her do more brushing, spooky3 Oct 2018 #30
The so-called experts they have on the networks don't make me feel very confident. Hoyt Oct 2018 #7
people keep old stamps around for years, though Tarc Oct 2018 #9
Alll of the stamps on those packages were MineralMan Oct 2018 #14
Ahh ok, did not catch that. Interesting. Tarc Oct 2018 #15
Plus the padded envelopes have the self sticking adhesive you don't have to lick those any longer. redstatebluegirl Oct 2018 #11
Investigators love sticky things like self-sealing envelopes and tape The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #16
Mine would be covered with dog fur! You are right, they would collect quite a bit of redstatebluegirl Oct 2018 #17
We have a Roomba and the amount of tiny particles and dust spooky3 Oct 2018 #29
I want a Roomba for my cats to ride on. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #31
I've seen those videos! Mine haven't wanted to ride on it, but the first day the Roomba was used spooky3 Oct 2018 #33
If you've ever watched Forensic Files, you would be spooky3 Oct 2018 #28
exactly mercuryblues Oct 2018 #32
fingerprints dawg day Oct 2018 #18
Yes they do. MineralMan Oct 2018 #19
True... but there are a lot of mailing envelopes that still have "lick" adhesive.... hlthe2b Oct 2018 #20
That's true, but that isn't what the MSNBC person mentioned. MineralMan Oct 2018 #22
Sure... still, ever try applying a self-adhesive stamp with gloves on? hlthe2b Oct 2018 #24
When you never have to mail a letter but have others do it for you, you just don't know real life. allgood33 Oct 2018 #25

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
2. Lol what a moron.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:03 AM
Oct 2018

I haven't licked a stamp for decades, I can't remember the last time they weren't peel-and-stick.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
12. The USPS started introducing peel-and-stick stamps
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:12 AM
Oct 2018

in the 1990s. They discontinued selling lick-and-stick stamps altogether on a retail basis sometime around 2007. One place I looked sad that large coils of stamps with water-activated adhesive are still sold for commercial use, since some machinery used in automated stamping still requires it. However most commercial postage is printed directly on the mail-pieces, so that's likely to disappear soon.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,460 posts)
4. I saw that, and that was my first thought too.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:04 AM
Oct 2018

I looked at those "Forever" stamps and thought, "when was the last time you mailed a letter?"

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,707 posts)
5. Obviously that person hasn't mailed anything with a stamp in many years.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:06 AM
Oct 2018

But because the stamps are sticky there could be other trace evidence on them. Every time I use stamps (or anything sticky), cat hair always ends up stuck to them.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
23. We always put some of our dog's shedded undercoat
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:41 AM
Oct 2018

out in the spring for the birds. Our Beagle/Basset, Dude, sheds massive amounts of his soft undercoat all year long. Most of that gets swept up and put in the trash, but every spring, we throw clumps of it onto the yard for the birds to use in their nests.

spooky3

(34,456 posts)
26. That's so funny! Bird Society probably lauds the birds
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:14 AM
Oct 2018

With the most elegant fur nests!

I have a long haired cat and should follow your example—though birds may have an instinctive aversion to cat hair.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
27. No, they'll take cat hair, too, for nest-building.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:16 AM
Oct 2018

I watched a mockingbird in my old home town in California dive on a long-haired cat outdoors and fly away with a beak full of fur. Fearless.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. The so-called experts they have on the networks don't make me feel very confident.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:06 AM
Oct 2018

They have them on for hours saying the obvious over and over.

Truthfully, I'm getting tired of all the BS about these "bombs." I get it is serious, but so is the upcoming election, investigation of trump, etc.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
9. people keep old stamps around for years, though
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:07 AM
Oct 2018

and either use multiples, or those "make-up" 1 and 2 cent stamps.

I can easily picture the type of loon doing this as some grizzled nutter with a drawer-full of saved stamps because "he don't trust the gol'dang gubbermint", etc...

The next drawer down from the stamp drawer is probably full of incandescent light bulbs.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
14. Alll of the stamps on those packages were
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:15 AM
Oct 2018

American Flag "Forever" stamps, which have never had adhesive backing. There have been several photos shown.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
11. Plus the padded envelopes have the self sticking adhesive you don't have to lick those any longer.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:09 AM
Oct 2018

We can hope some hair, or fingerprints exist, but that is a long shot.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,707 posts)
16. Investigators love sticky things like self-sealing envelopes and tape
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:17 AM
Oct 2018

because they collect trace evidence. As a cat servant I can testify that every sticky thing I have ever used has cat hair on it, and probably my own hair and god knows what other stuff that was floating around my house. It's more than likely that there's useful evidence on those envelopes, whether from the stamps, the envelope flaps, the mailing labels or the tape on the bombs.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
17. Mine would be covered with dog fur! You are right, they would collect quite a bit of
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:19 AM
Oct 2018

evidence, especially if they were made at their home.

spooky3

(34,456 posts)
29. We have a Roomba and the amount of tiny particles and dust
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:19 AM
Oct 2018

It picks up along with cat hair is amazing—even when used frequently. “Evidence” all over the place...

spooky3

(34,456 posts)
33. I've seen those videos! Mine haven't wanted to ride on it, but the first day the Roomba was used
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:05 PM
Oct 2018

they were extremely curious (never afraid) and followed it everywhere. Now it's a big yawn.

spooky3

(34,456 posts)
28. If you've ever watched Forensic Files, you would be
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:17 AM
Oct 2018

amazed at the clues they can use. As a former prosecutor said on MSNBC yesterday, bombs that have not exploded provide a treasure trove of evidence.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
32. exactly
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:58 AM
Oct 2018

the people who make them, expect them to blow up and erase the evidence. They don't bother with counter forensic measures.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
19. Yes they do.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:32 AM
Oct 2018

I haven't checked to see if peel-and-stick stamps retain fingerprints, though. Normally, when I use them, only a very tiny part of my finger touches the sticky side, though. Also, if I try to peel them off an envelope, the adhesive tears some of the paper surface off, so I'm not sure they'd be able to recover any fingerprint information from used stamps. I don't know, though. Maybe they can.

hlthe2b

(102,282 posts)
20. True... but there are a lot of mailing envelopes that still have "lick" adhesive....
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:33 AM
Oct 2018

so, it is possible.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
22. That's true, but that isn't what the MSNBC person mentioned.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 10:37 AM
Oct 2018

Depending on where you buy them, those 6x9 manilla envelopes could have water activated adhesive or the pull-off strips over a pressure-activated adhesive. So, it's possible there is saliva residue on the flap, for sure.

Not everyone's DNA is in a database somewhere, though. So, it might not help figure out who the bomber is. It could help as evidence, though, once they catch him or her.

hlthe2b

(102,282 posts)
24. Sure... still, ever try applying a self-adhesive stamp with gloves on?
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:01 AM
Oct 2018

Damn near impossible, so that this could have been a DNA or fingerprint revealing error... Guess we shall see...

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
25. When you never have to mail a letter but have others do it for you, you just don't know real life.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:07 AM
Oct 2018

Some live in a world in which everything is done for you because you are just too busy tracking your wealth.

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