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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:18 PM Oct 2018

Anybody watching CNN right now?

They are interviewing MAGAbomber's former employer - she said he was a very good, reliable employee (he was a driver for her business) but personally weird as shit - and he told her he was a white supremacist and that she'd burn in hell along with the blacks and the Jews because she's a lesbian, and she wouldn't let him drive his van for work during the day because of the stickers, and inside the van were dolls with their heads cut off and nooses and swastikas.

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Anybody watching CNN right now? (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 OP
wow... she's a pretty easy-going boss renate Oct 2018 #1
Reminds me of an AA meeting: Beakybird Oct 2018 #5
I think you forgot to use the 'sarcasm' smilie. n/t icymist Oct 2018 #38
What kind of boss hires a guy like that? Just wondering. allgood33 Oct 2018 #24
A reasonable, canetoad Oct 2018 #26
Umm, no. paleotn Oct 2018 #53
Fine canetoad Oct 2018 #56
Correct. You don't want somebody like that representing your business. Employees are "agents" of kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2018 #60
The GOP members of the Senate Judiciary Committee? nt Gore1FL Oct 2018 #33
Nice! :-) DemocracyMouse Oct 2018 #47
Someone who hates high turnover and desires reliability. joshcryer Oct 2018 #34
It's a tough line to walk. Corvo Bianco Oct 2018 #71
I think he was delivering pizza, or some kind of food FakeNoose Oct 2018 #44
desperate - tight labor market. jmbar2 Oct 2018 #59
Reminds me of the woman with a toaster that made an image of Satan. alfredo Oct 2018 #42
My first wife CCExile Oct 2018 #50
+1 alfredo Oct 2018 #66
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Oct 2018 #51
other than that, mrs. lincoln maxsolomon Oct 2018 #2
So many great options... targetpractice Oct 2018 #25
They cut to a Trump ralley in Charlotte and the morons doc03 Oct 2018 #3
I thought they didn't care what the media says? dubyadiprecession Oct 2018 #58
He was a pizza delivery driver, I think. I dewsgirl Oct 2018 #4
Well no delivery tip here.. sorry you want me dead on your off work hours! And any pizza place lunasun Oct 2018 #14
Definitely not. I want to rearend every deplorable dewsgirl Oct 2018 #20
I think their brains have shriveled and want no interaction . Trumpers are the new zombies lunasun Oct 2018 #27
I agree 1000%. dewsgirl Oct 2018 #40
And he probably would assault anyone who dared disagree with them. His employer could be sued kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2018 #61
Yeah, I just posted it. BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #6
Yup saw that interview BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #7
Native American and a white supremacist, never voted till 2016, appalachiablue Oct 2018 #8
The Seminole Tribe has stated he is NOT one of them obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #12
Saw it, ty. Tom Steyer coming up appalachiablue Oct 2018 #15
The Seminoles have issued a statement saying he's not one of them The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #13
got it appalachiablue Oct 2018 #16
"Sayoc's only connection to Native Americans was that he once dated a member of a tribe" dalton99a Oct 2018 #31
The MAGABomber is Definitely NOT Native American.. Cha Oct 2018 #54
I know, wish that hadn't been spread around. My cousin in MN appalachiablue Oct 2018 #57
holy crap... she let him represent HER business by driving his own van lapfog_1 Oct 2018 #9
They don't call our county Broweird for nothing MaryMagdaline Oct 2018 #17
now that's funny... and probably a little bit true lapfog_1 Oct 2018 #19
Like how we used to watch "Cheaters" as a guilty pleasure. Liberal In Texas Oct 2018 #65
You'll never have to live our shame MaryMagdaline Oct 2018 #68
.... BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #37
She said he believed that anybody who wasn't white would burn in hell. sinkingfeeling Oct 2018 #10
OK dolls with their heads cut off and nooses and swastikas, wth? lunasun Oct 2018 #11
by looking at the guy I would bet that he has abused steroids in the past elmac Oct 2018 #35
Body builder / ex stripper so you may be right - residue from younger years or jacked his head lunasun Oct 2018 #49
Correct you are lunasun Oct 2018 #70
Sounds like she should have called the police a long time ago. rockfordfile Oct 2018 #18
She's way more tolerant than I'd have been. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #22
Thank you....terrible judgement in my opinion. An important requirement of the job is the car UniteFightBack Oct 2018 #30
Saw some of it. moondust Oct 2018 #21
He says he got a hazmat driver's license but we don't know if that's true. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #23
Lady kept on about 'it's a free country, free speech.' Too much methinks. appalachiablue Oct 2018 #43
typical republican gopiscrap Oct 2018 #28
I'm sorry but it makes ZERO SENSE to hire someone to to deliveries with a van like that.... UniteFightBack Oct 2018 #29
I'm wondering how many people are scraping decals off their vans tonight. Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #32
None. BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #39
Here's what I was thinking earlier today.... MrQRO Oct 2018 #36
The problem is that he hadn't done anything illegal. The crap on his van The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #41
I understand that! MrQRO Oct 2018 #63
Of course it's ridiculous. I was thinking only of the MAGAbomber's behavior The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #64
+++ agree. iluvtennis Oct 2018 #46
OMG. I'm speechless. What a sick bastard. Glad he's off the streets. iluvtennis Oct 2018 #45
The correlation between fanaticism and mental impairment seems to be a common denominator YOHABLO Oct 2018 #48
Well Shiiiiiiit Cha Oct 2018 #52
Wouldn't want someone like that delivering my pizza. Hoyt Oct 2018 #55
If you ignore the fact that he was Ed Gein-lite, dude was a totally John Fante Oct 2018 #62
Complete interview for those that missed it... PunkinPi Oct 2018 #67
WTF??? Most normal people would fire this nut job. nt USALiberal Oct 2018 #69

renate

(13,776 posts)
1. wow... she's a pretty easy-going boss
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:20 PM
Oct 2018

I like to think of myself as easy to get along with, but I'd take exception to an employee telling me I would burn in hell... especially if he's got dolls with heads cut off, swastikas, and nooses in his van.

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
5. Reminds me of an AA meeting:
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:22 PM
Oct 2018

"Next week, I'm going to come with kerosene and light of all of you on fire!"
Rest of group: "Thank you for sharing."

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
53. Umm, no.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 09:31 PM
Oct 2018

Publicly stating at work they are a white supremacist and Jews, African Americans, LGBTQ, [fill in the blank] are going to burn in hell, is well outside the realm of anything reasonable. Lets just say that doesn't contribute much towards a professional, supportive and inclusive work environment and probably scares the shit out of co-workers. More than enough reason to be shown the door.

canetoad

(17,167 posts)
56. Fine
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 09:38 PM
Oct 2018

Spend as much time as you like blaming the magabomber's employer, because you know, she's the real villain here, not the guy who made and posted the bombs.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
60. Correct. You don't want somebody like that representing your business. Employees are "agents" of
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 09:56 PM
Oct 2018

your corporation and YOU can be sued if they do harm while they are "on the clock." They are representing you and your company. You are basically responsible for their actions when they are working for you. They can still cause you a huge PR problem when they are off the clock.

Corvo Bianco

(1,148 posts)
71. It's a tough line to walk.
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:58 PM
Oct 2018

On one hand somebody with all their shit together doesn't need you or the job and they will let you down. On the other hand you pick the guy who sleeps in his van with headless mannequins and he's only reliable until he burns the town down.

FakeNoose

(32,641 posts)
44. I think he was delivering pizza, or some kind of food
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 08:46 PM
Oct 2018

Not sure but the lady who tweeted the photo that her husband took, said this guy made the delivery. The van was so weird that her husband took a photo, and remembered it a year later when it was shown on CNN today. Then he recalled the guy and said, "Oh yeah, that's the guy!"

More info and photo on this post from earlier today.

link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11325940



alfredo

(60,074 posts)
42. Reminds me of the woman with a toaster that made an image of Satan.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 08:39 PM
Oct 2018

When asked why she hasn’t bought a new one, she replied “all in all it makes good toast.”

dubyadiprecession

(5,711 posts)
58. I thought they didn't care what the media says?
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 09:44 PM
Oct 2018

As their slogan goes, "I really don't care, do you".

Why hate CNN? Just don't watch CNN if you don't like it.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
14. Well no delivery tip here.. sorry you want me dead on your off work hours! And any pizza place
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:27 PM
Oct 2018

allowing a driver to use that van in the evening gets knocked off my call list anyway

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
20. Definitely not. I want to rearend every deplorable
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:33 PM
Oct 2018

in front of me that has a MAGA sticker, if I saw that van in front of me, I think my brain would have imploded.

BigmanPigman

(51,607 posts)
6. Yeah, I just posted it.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:23 PM
Oct 2018

She said he hated Rachel Maddow too. Earlier when CNN was showing his twitter/Facebook posts and I thought I saw Rachel's face on one of them. Now I am fairly certain it was her picture after hearing his employer speak.

I would NEVER have been in a van alone with a guy who often said that I was a mistake and he would like to put me on an island to be burned up.

BumRushDaShow

(129,061 posts)
7. Yup saw that interview
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:23 PM
Oct 2018

She seemed to be a toughie herself. This guy was wacked.

But the analysis going on right now is good in terms of them basically saying that this whole thing with embracing the campaign and white supremacy has filled an obvious void in his life and gave him a reason to get up every day.

dalton99a

(81,513 posts)
31. "Sayoc's only connection to Native Americans was that he once dated a member of a tribe"
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 08:11 PM
Oct 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/bomb-suspect-has-long-arrest-record-including-bomb-threat/2018/10/26/b03f97a6-d94a-11e8-8384-bcc5492fef49_story.html
Bomb suspect was cash-strapped ex-stripper devoted to Trump
By Michael Biesecker and Stephen Braun | AP
October 26 at 7:41 PM

Altieri, his cousin, said Sayoc’s only connection to Native Americans was that he once dated a member of a tribe.

Sayoc was born in New York City. His mother was Italian and his biological father was Filipino, and his parents separated when he was a young boy, Altieri said. After his parents separated, Sayoc was “kind of rejected” by his family.'

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
57. I know, wish that hadn't been spread around. My cousin in MN
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 09:39 PM
Oct 2018

was m. to a Fla. native American guy, Seminole and she has close Ojibwe friends.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
9. holy crap... she let him represent HER business by driving his own van
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:24 PM
Oct 2018

with all that crap on it?

I wouldn't let him and his van anywhere near my company... even if he just parked in the parking lot of my business.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
17. They don't call our county Broweird for nothing
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:31 PM
Oct 2018

People used to watch America’s Most Wanted just to see if their neighbors were on that week.

Liberal In Texas

(13,554 posts)
65. Like how we used to watch "Cheaters" as a guilty pleasure.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:32 PM
Oct 2018

Until we saw that it was shot here.

Oh well.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
68. You'll never have to live our shame
Sat Oct 27, 2018, 10:41 AM
Oct 2018

We all just cringed when we saw it was Florida again. And Broward. Our county is full of weirdos. I was immensely proud of the Parkland kids, but then I remembered that their killer is from here, too.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
35. by looking at the guy I would bet that he has abused steroids in the past
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 08:25 PM
Oct 2018

and that stuff can really give you anger issues.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
22. She's way more tolerant than I'd have been.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:35 PM
Oct 2018

She said she didn't feel she could fire him because of his politics because he was a competent employee, but I wouldn't have let that van anywhere near my business. And I wouldn't feel bad about firing an employee who told me I was going to Hell.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
30. Thank you....terrible judgement in my opinion. An important requirement of the job is the car
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 08:11 PM
Oct 2018

and you hire a guy with a car like that? WHAT?

moondust

(19,988 posts)
21. Saw some of it.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:34 PM
Oct 2018

Yikes. He got his license to drive hazardous materials in North Carolina.

Despite all the crazy stuff she didn't feel she could do anything because freedom of speech or something.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
23. He says he got a hazmat driver's license but we don't know if that's true.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 07:37 PM
Oct 2018

It sounds like he's not a model of truthfulness; apparently he's lied about being a member of the Seminole tribe.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
29. I'm sorry but it makes ZERO SENSE to hire someone to to deliveries with a van like that....
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 08:09 PM
Oct 2018

what the actual fuck lady.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
32. I'm wondering how many people are scraping decals off their vans tonight.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 08:12 PM
Oct 2018

We were told by authorities today that if we see a vehicle or someone with memes of faces with targets superimposed that we should say something to authorities.

BumRushDaShow

(129,061 posts)
39. None.
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 08:31 PM
Oct 2018

They really don't care and they will most definitely get away with it because "free speech".

But if you are black and have a tail light out or a sticker on your rear window, then that might result in a fatal traffic stop.

 

MrQRO

(33 posts)
36. Here's what I was thinking earlier today....
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 08:26 PM
Oct 2018

An African-American tries to use a pool @ their own complex, or enter their own complex,
and some "Eagle-Eye" calls the cops....

This freak oozed "I'm a danger to the public", and it was "all good"!
Someone here on DU even saw the van and took pics, they thought it was SO weird!

Where were the 50 scared and outraged calls to the law?
Why didn't his tolerant boss say that this guy was over the edge?
This guy was posting all over social media that he was going to lose it..... Nothing!

So, If you're of color and look sideways, instant cop call... You are a REAL threat.. It's all good.

SMH!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
41. The problem is that he hadn't done anything illegal. The crap on his van
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 08:33 PM
Oct 2018

is protected speech even though it's offensive and scary. If you call the police you'd be told they can't do anything unless he commits a crime. Being weird isn't illegal. Having extreme political views isn't illegal. If he'd threatened someone that would be different, but apparently he didn't, at least not recently. The tolerant boss thought he was weird as shit but she kept him on because he did a good job, showed up on time, didn't steal, and she didn't get complaints from customers (she didn't let him drive for her during the day). People can't be arrested just because they're so weird that they might do something.

 

MrQRO

(33 posts)
63. I understand that!
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:25 PM
Oct 2018

My point is that just being a person of color in anyplace....
Seems to warrant a call to the cops.....
This guy was a walking, talking, moving, billboard for issues, and... silence!

I understand that there is no probable cause, no law against being weird, etc., etc.,

My Point is that a person of color gets a call for just going about their daily business, and this guy
was a poster boy for "something's up"... and nothing!

Just trying to point out the double standard...

I suppose the subtlety of the issue is lost here somehow.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
64. Of course it's ridiculous. I was thinking only of the MAGAbomber's behavior
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:31 PM
Oct 2018

before he got into bomb-making. I agree 100% that this country is seriously messed up when people of color can't go to a swimming pool or a picnic in a park or get access to their own apartment without some racist busybody calling the cops while an obvious nutball like Cesar Sayoc is pretty much ignored. You'll get no argument from me.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
48. The correlation between fanaticism and mental impairment seems to be a common denominator
Fri Oct 26, 2018, 09:09 PM
Oct 2018

within the flock of Trump supporters. So nothing in his history surprises me.

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