Michael Moore Blasts Nancy Pelosi For Declaring Dems Will 'Win' Midterms: 'That's What Happened...

[DonViejo]

Michael Moore Blasts Nancy Pelosi For Declaring Dems Will ‘Win’ Midterms: ‘That’s What Happened in 2016!’

by Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Nov 2nd, 2018, 2:04 am

On Thursday night, Michael Moore took some shots at House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) for calling the 2018 midterms in favor of the Democrats. As he was filling out his own absentee ballot, the liberal documentary filmmaker explained how we shouldn’t “shame” non-voters and that we should “listen to them” and find out why they’re not voting, which he predicted was because they’ve “given up.”

Seth Meyers then pointed out how Moore correctly predicted that Donald Trump would win the 2016 election and wanted to get his thoughts about next week’s midterms. However, Moore responded by slamming Pelosi, who appeared on The Late Show earlier this week and declared that Democrats will “win” back the House.

“Well, I’m not going to make the mistake that someone else made on a late night show a couple nights ago,” Moore told Meyers. “A Democrat, who just automatically announced, ‘We’re gonna win.’ And it’s like, ‘My God.’ That’s what happened in 2016. Everybody was throwing the party for Hillary before the election. And I think some people stayed home. I think some people didn’t think- even The New York Times on Election Day in 2016 in that box where they predict said there was only a 15% chance today of Trump winning the presidency.”

“So you’ve got to throw all that out. You have to quit this kind of predicting nonsense and you just got to do your job as a citizen,” Moore continued. “Everybody has to get off the bench this time.”

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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/michael-moore-blasts-nancy-pelosi-for-declaring-dems-will-win-midterms-thats-what-happened-in-2016/

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

1. I personally do not want to hear from non voters

Period

[Hortensis]

29. Me neither, but obviously Moore feels a need for attention.

As for voting, though, I'm glad he does not. When a man tells you what he is and shows you repeatedly, as in this, believe him.

And, of course, he can only appear to be prescient (to the gullible, anyway) when Democrats lose.

[Me.]

60. Quite

he needs to pay attention to the failure of his film festival and stop criticizing others.

[Autumn]

79. He does vote, he voted absentee ballot.

[Hortensis]

82. I didn't check that statement. But I DID listen to

the first couple minutes of him on O'Donnell, instead of quickly changing the channel when he came on, and it was pure trashing of both parties to presumed listening nonvoters as if there were no real difference.

He understands why someone who was so outraged at Sanders - finally - tepidly "defending" Hillary to nonvoters that he may never vote again. He understands why they don't vote, that Hillary and Trump and the rest of the candidates were old party hacks not worth voting for or against, that the system's corrupt and needs to be destroyed, BUT that they are actually the biggest political party who have the power to stick it to the man.

Nothing on either side to support or believe in, but the good thing is that they can stick it to us. Because Democrats SO deserve for nonvoters, who watched the promise of evil face off against healthcare, civil rights, affordable college and livable wages and claimed not be able to tell a difference, to stick it to us.

I changed the channel. No doubt he must have said worthwhile something or things after that because that's his schtick, the chocolate he hides his poison in, but poison was his first, main message 4 days before the election.

[NastyRiffraff]

122. I saw that too, and I had to turn it off

Moore hasn't changed. He's actively discouraged voting in the past, and while he may have softened that stance somewhat, he still does that "both sides" thing. I didn't see his shitty movie, but I heard about it: yet more trashing of Hillary and the Democratic party. I know the Democratic party isn't perfect, but Moore criticizes Democrats FAR more than Republicans.

[politicaljunkie41910]

59. Me neither. Anyone who can't see what is at stake with this admin, IMO is too stupid to vote.

[sinkingfeeling]

2. He has a point. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

[NewJeffCT]

3. If she had NOT declared that Democrats will win

Moore would have blasted her for not showing confidence or for being afraid of Trump because politicians almost always predict their own victories.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

27. +1

[fishwax]

34. I doubt Moore would have, since he's been pretty consistent on this. But I'm sure others would have.

[JonLP24]

114. I agree he has

[treestar]

87. +1

[uponit7771]

15. He doesn't have a point in ignoring Comey and Putin, he's done that too many times and that's his

... point here.

Not being overoptimistic

[brush]

35. He loves to bash Dems, even in his latest movie. That's his thing.

I want Pelosi and the Dems showing confidence.

We don't need any debbie downers.

[PubliusEnigma]

4. Michael Moore is a complete dumbass who loves the sound of his own voice.

[violetpastille]

105. Oh god

He was on O'Donnell last night and LO'D asks him in summary what he would like to tell people about voting in these mid-terms.

He went on this self-dramatizing rant about his grandfather that went on for days the moral of which seemed to be, "Be a Canadian" (?)

It's all about him, always.

[WA-03 Democrat]

117. +1

[zanana1]

5. Michael; how could you? nt

[qazplm135]

6. I really don't care

Michael Moore is a perpetual Eeyore who ended up being right in 2016.

[OnDoutside]

7. Democrats shouldn't be ashamed just cos 2016 is a thing. They did win the popular vote though.

[jcgoldie]

8. Michael Moore trashing democrats again what a surprise

Fuck him.

[Zambero]

9. Given two prediction options

Would Moore have preferred a "we're gonna lose, might as well stay home" response from Pelosi? Moore may not realize it but the "foregone conclusion" of Hillary's election two years ago is not lost on Democratic voters, who are highly motivated and despite being confident of winning will take nothing for granted this time around.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

30. I didnt take anything for granted in 2016 either

and Im real real tired of being lumped in and lectured by folks who have nothing better to do than decide why we lost...in their minds...then lecture the rest of us.
I have my opinion too...the gop cheated so bad, they stole the election....lecture them as well, hey?

[brush]

37. Now you're talking. Agree 100%.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

38. +1

[Zambero]

49. The ones that didn't bother to vote at all

Because she was a "shoo-in". If those Dem-leaning non-voters would have gotten up off their tired asses, they could have provided a firewall against the cheaters, suppressors, and Comey stunts, all of which allowed Trump to pull it off with a margin of few thousand votes spread over 3 states. Those who did show up to vote in 2016 do not need a lecture. There is always a worst-case scenario to consider (losing to someone like Donald Trump), and that alone should be motivation enough to show up at the polls. My point was that the lazy abstainers from two years ago might want to think twice before making the same mistake again. I sense that a lesson has been learned.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

50. Every person I know who always votes...VOTED in 2016.

The same people who voted for the first black president voted for the first woman president I certainly didnt think she was a "shoo-in". Sorry ZAmb. Sounds like another lecture of democrats. We voted. They cheated. End of story. That's what I think.

[Zambero]

66. I know plenty who stayed away (or worse)

To include a few Bernie or bust fans (think baked-in Susan Sarandon mentality) and even more leaning-Hillary types but not overly enthused with either candidate. In one instance, a relative of my wife actually preferred Hillary to Trump, but actually voted for the S.O.B so that shoo-in Hillary would win but by a smaller vote margin (and hey, that's exactly what happened). That one still burns me up. HRC actually got fewer votes than Obama did 4 years earlier. Some, but not all of that difference can be attributed to votes for Trump. I'm a forward thinking individual, and as such would like to believe that one of the edges that Democrats have in the upcoming midterm is full realization that every vote is important. That realization was certainly present in 2016, but not universally so. Hopefully the "midterm mentality" that has plagued Democrats over the years, to the benefit of the GOP who tend to show up, is a thing of the past.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

68. Ok. I appreciate you have a point of view.

i disagree with what I said above. Sorry the dems you know didnt vote....we did. Have a good weekend.

[Separation]

71. Yup

I know probably a dozen or so Democrats that had the wind taken out of their sail so bad because of the Hillary v Bernie fiasco. That they couldnt be bothered to vote.

The day you start plugging your ears and eyes and go lalalala is gonna be the next time more voters dont bother showing up.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

90. Around here. We were happy as hell about Hillary.

You vote for the nominee. Bedrock politics. I voted bernie...and when Hillary got it, I was just as pleased. As an old man I wanted free college for kids. Either would have done it in the end. Pres Clinton just couldn't say it bc the gop had already spent nearly 30 years hounding her. We all know it who are old enough.Pres Clinton always danced w the ones who brung her. I liked that. She was about to make the gop reap the whirlwind, and they knew it. Since then the gop blew any Obama budget and free college wont be had again for a long time I'm afraid. Kids could nt vote THEN, and now, the time has passed I fear. Either was fine. Any true D who got their panties in a bunch then, have no room to speak to it now. The moment has passed.
NEW D's who came to the party during Pres Obama hadn't seen the torture they put HRC through. That's on them, not the party. Any way you slice it...THEY FUCKING CHEATED. And usually when you cheat to win, you make sure you do. And they did. KNOW your history everyone under 60. If youre going to make informed choices for THE GOOD OF YOUR COUNTRY, know your history. Hillary won. That's my belief. And, nothing will ever change that. I'm old enough to know better.

Golden rule number 1...BEDROCK VOTING RULE....EVEN IF YOUR PERSON DIDN'T MAKE IT PAST THE PRIMARY, YOU VOTE THE NOMINEE. JUST DO IT. Right?
Round here, we all know that, and I think everywhere else they still did as well. ALL the tv, and people are STILL stupid and uninformed, and they don't even have to read a book or go to school to know it.
That segues the second golden rule. THE GOP CHEAT....ALWAYS. Count on it. The GOP cheated again, and are trying to again for Tuesday. How much voter suppression evidence is needed to know that?? God DAMMIT. UGHHHHhhhhh. Never again w the cheating the vote. Never again. And when they do, they better be punished. Mueller are ya listening??? Wed's coming ROBERT. Batter up!
HRC...Love you sister. The nation owes you a great apology. Hopefully, your day will still come.
Have a good weekend.

[LisaM]

61. I know. The voter suppression in 2016 did the trick.

It should be shouted from the rooftops.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

62. +1

[treestar]

88. Why do you assume you are lumped in?

No one said you personally were one of those who didn't bother to vote out of complacency.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

92. Bc

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Doesnt matter if I felt lumped in. The whole discussion puts the blame on the democrat voter....and the gop cheats. It lets the culprits off the hook...so stop saying/lecturing democrats. PERIOD. End of story. (Is my general sentiment...not you.) referencing above. Have a good weekend.

[Zambero]

94. The correct answer is yes and yes again

These days in a close election Democrats can vote as the majority and still lose. All the skullduggeries noted, aided and abetted by the Trump campaign, stole the 2016 election putting us into the horrible mess we're in. It just might have been precluded had more people with a stake in the results bothered to show up and vote. DU is not where complacent Democratic voters (aka non-voters = de facto GOP enablers) tend to hang out. But sorry to say they do exist in significant numbers, particularly in the younger progressive-leaning demographic. Early voting tallies indicate that more than a few "converts" have come to their senses and realize that their votes do indeed matter.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

104. Ok...Am I free to go now?

Maybe. How long should we talk about it? I thought i was clear. I check every few hours here at work and theres another comment from you. I think russia intervened and cheated to get trum elected. Thats my position. You have yours. I get it. See you round Zam.

[Zambero]

118. Ya Youbetcha!

[JI7]

10. Comey and Putin happened in 2016

[Zambero]

54. Given Comey, Putin, and voter suppression...

Did I forget to mention Anthony Wiener as an accessory? All of these are the very reasons why Dems will never succeed with a mere majority of voter support. An extra firewall is required. Staying home in the face of having the deck stacked up against us in advance ultimately gets the other side over the finish line. Trump's electoral margin of victory despite losing the popular vote was ultimately assured by millions of citizens who figured that HRC was gonna win comfortably, so why bother? The aforementioned improprieties were already in play, and are in play in 2018 as well.

[Gothmog]

11. I really do not care what Moore thinks on anything

His last movie was really dumb

[leftynyc]

12. And if she had shown concern

he would have whined about that. I'm tired of his schtik.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

32. +1

i liked Roger and Me....and every movie since then...was just a little less than, in my book. Fahrenheit 911 being the second best i guess.

[Tarc]

13. Micheal Moore is wandering off into dimwitted Susan Sarandon territory

No thanks, Mickey.

[Me.]

63. Is He Even A DEm Anymore?

[uponit7771]

14. Moore does ... NOT ... believe Russia help Benedict Donald

[Hoyt]

78. I guess I don't either, in that I blame people who believed Russian and GOPer lies and

distortion. A voter would have to lean right to vote for trump. Everyone knew what he was, and too many were fine with that.

I don’t like Moore’s bashing Pelosi, though. He could have just said, “don’t be complacent, vote.”

[uponit7771]

80. Bigotry is not changing one's mindset in the face of reality

[stopbush]

16. Er, tRump is predicting a red wave, but for some reason, that's different, right Michael?

In other words, Rs can predict victory and it won’t hurt them, but if a D does it, it insures defeat.

And BTW, Michael, Hillary did win. tRump “won” due to the Russians interfering with the election, possibly even flipping votes at the ballot box.

[Thrill]

17. He's right. She's one of those people that actually fires uo Republican voters

I like her as leader in the house. But during elections, she’s better to work in the background. Because Republicans use her to raise money and to GOTV

[edhopper]

18. Trump...didn't....win!!!!

Putin, Comey and voter suppression gave him the WH.

[NurseJackie]

19. Hey, Michael Moore... you know what? FUCK YOU! Shut the fuck up!

[oasis]

24. 100% This.

[justhanginon]

107. Amen!

[joshcryer]

20. He's dying for another loss.

Literally salivating at the opportunity to make another "how Dems failed" documentary.

[OBrien]

21. Old man yelling "get off my lawn" nt

[workinclasszero]

22. FO Michael Moore

[Blecht]

23. This place is so weird sometimes

Blind hatred for somebody who has been a strong ally to Democrats 90% of the time -- that vitriol would be better aimed at somebody else.

[FSogol]

26. Is it blind hatred or a collective response of, "you're not helping"? Some acts get old.

[brush]

39. Not true. Research him. He was a Naderite and has bashed Dems quite often.

Even in his latest movie.

[still_one]

42. He sure did. In 2000 at Madison Square Garden he said a vote for Gore was a vote for bush

https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/15/us/the-2000-campaign-the-green-party-in-nader-supporters-math-gore-equals-bush.html

[NurseJackie]

43. I have the greatest level of contempt and disgust for chronic Dem-bashers.

I have the greatest level of contempt and disgust for chronic Dem-bashers. I have absolutely NO RESPECT for anyone who will continually LIE about Democrats and who will smear and denigrate the Democratic Party simply to promote themselves ... or to line their own pockets.

[brush]

44. With you all the way.

[Blecht]

45. Nader was 18 years ago -- we've all learned a lot since then

And I guess we have different definitions of of the word "bash".

[brush]

69. IMO he comes off as being concerned but profits from being a scold and a "I told you so"...

when Dems lose (from repug cheating, vote suppression and, in Hillary's case, putin/treason and rogue FBI chief comey). He also did the debbie downer routine in 2012 predicting we were screwing up and Romney would win.

I don't have much use for him anymore as his schtick has worn off.

[JI7]

84. "That's it, Mr. Obama. 100 years from now: 'He was the first black American that got elected

president."


<"OK, not a bad accomplishment, but that's it," the director said. "That's it, Mr. Obama. 100 years from now: 'He was the first black American that got elected president.' And that's it. Eight years of your life and that's what people are going to remember. Boy, I got a feeling, knowing you, that — you'd probably wish you were remembered for a few other things, a few other things you could've done."

"So, it is, on that level, a big disappointment," Moore said.>

and that was in sept 2014 just in time for the last upoming midterms.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-moore-slams-obama-history-731563

[betsuni]

85. Ugh

[NurseJackie]

40. Aw.

Blind hatred for somebody who has been a strong ally to Democrats 90% of the time

Nothing "blind" about it at all. I see him very clearly for what he is and who he is.

that vitriol would be better aimed at somebody else.

People were saying the similar things in "defense" of Sarandon too.

[Cha]

56. You don't know what you're talking about..

Nothing "blind" about telling that RF to Fuck Off.

Hey moore fan.. he also said to "embrace trump.. " How's that working out for ya'll?

“But I think we have to embrace Trump,” Moore said in the interview. “People reading this will say, ‘What do you mean? Embrace Trump?’ But we have to embrace him. We have to listen to him. He’s telling lies, and he’s telling the truth at the same time"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

But, M.Moore also says trump is like "hitler".. so why should we "embrace" hitler? Or the fucking moron?

"In new film, Michael Moore compares Trump to Hitler. And he's not so crazy about Obama, either."

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

MM is full of SHITE.



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[Me.]

64. Is He A Dem?

was he ever...if he was a Naderite?

[Cha]

70. Michael Moore was a Susan Sarandon "purist asses" Naderite

[Me.]

72. Nailed It

[treestar]

89. If you must call it hatred, it's hardly blind

How is he now a strong ally? He seems to be a negative.

[FSogol]

25. Michael "Pay Attention to Meeeeeee" Moore is attacking Democrats again? Color me "not surprised."

[Oneironaut]

28. Stop saying we're going to win. GOTV like your life depends on it.

Assume the worst possible outcome, and do what you can to prevent it.

[beachbum bob]

31. If Michael Moore put forth effort to ELECT DEMOCRATS maybe 2016 would have been different

[Downtown Hound]

33. I'll always love Michael Moore

Back in the day he was one of the few voices speaking out, and I actually credit him for a good part of my political awakening.

That being said, his sthick is getting old.

[helpisontheway]

36. I don't care for Moore but I do think it is dangerous to declare that you will win..

I think many that did not care for Hillary did not go vote because they thought she was gonna win anyway. Media kept talking about double digit win so some people did not vote.

[defacto7]

106. And that's the point...

I don't have to like Moore to hear words that that state a fact. The threads about Moore always explode into old off topic rhetoric. It's too bad he implied Pelosi in his remark; that's a negative worth mentioning. But eclipsing a valid point is meta talk.

Whoever says it, the point is that it's dangerous to claim victory before an election, period.

[still_one]

41. yeah Moore, its better to do your bullshit and spew how we are going to lose, and how bad the

Democrats are.

I guess your movie must not be doing very well Michael, you must have a lot of time on your hands

I remember your bullshit in 2000 when you said a vote for Gore was a vote for Bush. How did that work out for ya?

He also told us how Romeny was going to win. If there is something negative or demoralizing to say to Democrats, you can count on Michael Moore

[Cha]

52. RF also said to "..embrace trump.." "blah blah blah.."

how the shit is that working out for ya.

“But I think we have to embrace Trump,” Moore said in the interview. “People reading this will say, ‘What do you mean? Embrace Trump?’ But we have to embrace him. We have to listen to him. He’s telling lies, and he’s telling the truth at the same time"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

But, M.Moore also says trump is like "hitler".. so why should we "embrace" hitler? Or the fucking moron?

"In new film, Michael Moore compares Trump to Hitler. And he's not so crazy about Obama, either."

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e



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[still_one]

57. Wow, thanks Cha. More unhinged than I thought

[Cha]

65. Yeah, it pays to know those pesky

details.. like ".. embrace trump, fans "

[defacto7]

110. I didn't know that..

about embrace Trump. That's ugly. I also think implying Pelosi was bad news. But no matter who says it, the point about claiming victory before an election is valid. It does play on apathy. I know dems who didnt vote in '16 because of overconfidence. I've hit them with a frying pan consistantly since then.. figuratively speaking.

Thanks for giving me reason to research Moore a bit more.

[budkin]

46. So sick of MM

I used to love the guy but I'm so over his self loathing shtick.

[diva77]

47. It seems that voter suppression pre-election has been ramped up more than ever because the

non-transparent computerized voting is most ripe for rigging elections when the odds are within the margin of error -- then with algorithms, rethugs can steal a few votes here and there from various precincts to get the desired results. I understand Michael Moore's pessimism -- we still have proprietary DREs, optiscans, centralized tabulators in all 50 states. It appears that voters are turning out in large numbers, so hopefully this will help overcome the rethug strategy of tweaking the results with the machines. We have an extreme problem with corrupt elections officials and vendors and a weakness in our system of government that allows them to operate with almost no accountability.

It's the huge turnout that is making me feel optimistic, but all voter suppression tactics need to be stamped out and elections officials held responsible for their ongoing corrupt practices.

[betsuni]

48. I don't believe there are people who are registered to vote, who usually vote, who plan to vote,

and after hearing a Democrat say "We're going to win" on teevee decide not to vote. I keep hearing how we're all tribal and have our teams and so on. Would anyone not watch a game because the coach of your favorite team said they were going to win? I think it's a silly idea.

[Cha]

51. FUCK OFF, moore.. you also said to "embrace trump"..

how the shit is that working out for ya.

“But I think we have to embrace Trump,” Moore said in the interview. “People reading this will say, ‘What do you mean? Embrace Trump?’ But we have to embrace him. We have to listen to him. He’s telling lies, and he’s telling the truth at the same time"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

But, M.Moore also says trump is like "hitler".. so why should we "embrace" hitler? Or the fucking moron?

"In new film, Michael Moore compares Trump to Hitler. And he's not so crazy about Obama, either."

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e



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[EffieBlack]

53. I'm so over him. Please go away, Michael

[KPN]

58. Michael Moore makes good points even if

they make us want to defend ourselves. He’s certainly not arguing against our political positions.

[redstateblues]

67. I like Pelosi but that was stupid

Kinda like the “deplorables” mistake. Hopefully it won’t matter like that did

[SMC22307]

73. That was hardly a "blast" and he's right...

"Everybody has to get off the bench this time.”

[LBM20]

74. She made it clear at the end that "Dems will win IF they go and vote." What she should have said:

From the very start is: "We will do very well IF you go and VOTE. It is all about turnout so VOTE VOTE VOTE."

[Thekaspervote]

75. Michael... the biggest debbie downer of them all!

[Squinch]

76. He doesn't understand Nancy Pelosi's job very well. Thank God she is doing it and not him.

[YessirAtsaFact]

77. Michael Moore can STFU and go home if he doesn't have something nice to say about Democrats

nm

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

81. Well, let's see.

Lots of people here are utterly convinced we'll win big next week. I've seen lots and lots of posts asking what's the first thing we should do when we take control of the Senate.

A little history might be in order. In 2004 there were many, many posts here telling of all those who'd voted for W in 2000 who were absolutely NOT voting for him now. The general consensus was that he was toast and we'd be inaugurating a President John Kerry come January 20, 2009.

There's more, but I'll spare you the boring details. The point is that irrational confidence is a hallmark of the left, and I for one am rather tired of it.

[defacto7]

111. I agree n/t

[dembotoz]

83. Once again mm getting trashed here for being honest

[treestar]

86. Why is it bad for us to be optimistic and OK for Republicans?

How many times has the Orange Idiot said they were going to win?

[betsuni]

93. +1

[defacto7]

112. They are not saying that now.

Trump is pushing that the Dems could win ground.

[DrDan]

91. He is right - we should not be predicting big wins - all that does is give voters reason

for not voting and encourage turnout from the other side.

[jcgoldie]

95. Did you see the Pelosi interview he was referring to?

This is bullshit... she was projecting confidence not "giving voters reason for not voting" nor "encouraging" the other side. Michael Moore can fuck right off with his democrat bashing.

[DrDan]

96. I find it interesting that one person can

Be so despised by both sides

[jcgoldie]

98. I don't despise Michael Moore and I appreciate some of his movies...

But when he goes around doing his both sides shit and spends the majority of his public interview time leading into an election attacking democrats supposedly for their own good... then I have no problem saying he can go fuck himself.

[DrDan]

100. Sure sounds like you despise him - not unlike the other side

[jcgoldie]

102. sure sounds like you are making excuses for a guy who spends most of his time attacking democrats

"Not unlike the other side."

[DrDan]

120. No excuses - just agree with him ro hold down the rhetoric

But feel free to keep up the hate

[jcgoldie]

121. hate... right

what a joke.

[Garrett78]

97. Overconfidence would be very low on my list of reasons for what happened in 2016.

[defacto7]

115. Good point, but it does happen a lot.

I've seen it myself.

[LiberalFighter]

99. Michael Moore is not worth listening to.

He always finds a reason to complain about Democratic Party or leaders.

[Beartracks]

101. Claiming it's in the bag *does* discourage voting.

Same as claiming it's all hopeless.

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[defacto7]

116. I agree n/t

[workinclasszero]

103. Michael Moore....

[empedocles]

108. Moore, Sanders, et al, had very important choices to prioritize.

The good of Dems and Citizens in November, or pursuing the extra personal publicity pre-November. They were very definitive in their choices.

[empedocles]

109. I regret buying tickets for the latest Moore movie.

Moore and Sanders in denial about their delining prospects.

[JonLP24]

113. There were people that actually stayed home because they though Clinton would win

I think the closer we get to election day the less confident I am. All we can do is GOTV.

[jcmaine72]

119. Why must he always insist on pulling shit like this before an election?

Is he just desperate for attention, or what?

[empedocles]

123. and ego, and self justification