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Quixote1818

(28,960 posts)
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 02:25 PM Nov 2018

If the current polling is correct the Senate will end up 50 / 50 with Pence being the deciding vote

Dems lead in all these close races:

MO, NV, FL, AZ, MT, IN

So it comes down to the blue wave sweeping either Texas, ND or TN into our column.

I would not at all be surprised if we take all the states we are leading in and then nab one that we are not leading in if the polling models are slightly off because the huge amount of young voters coming out.

Regardless, if we can end up 50 / 50 in the Senate, that alone would be a huge win! That would mean we gained when we had a HUGE number of Dems up for re-election.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/senate/

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If the current polling is correct the Senate will end up 50 / 50 with Pence being the deciding vote (Original Post) Quixote1818 Nov 2018 OP
If it were a 50/50 split... wcmagumba Nov 2018 #1
thugs MrGrieves Nov 2018 #2
Don't know if that is true. See this article Quixote1818 Nov 2018 #4
Interesting question. Here is what I just found. Quixote1818 Nov 2018 #3
My guess is that they did this because there were no Senate rules to cover the situation Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #5
Wouldn't Dems still be the minority ... Whiskeytide Nov 2018 #14
Here is the difference Bettie Nov 2018 #17
the difference here is that Gore was still in office as VP when the Senate was set up dsc Nov 2018 #18
"Dems lead in MO, NV, FL, AZ, MT, IN" Polybius Nov 2018 #6
538 is always a lot more accurate than Real Clear politics. Quixote1818 Nov 2018 #7
Right-wing? Polybius Nov 2018 #10
They play around with with polls to include in their average Quixote1818 Nov 2018 #12
Thank you, I did not know that Polybius Nov 2018 #15
I am glad you had me look all this stuff up again. I remember all this coming out about them Quixote1818 Nov 2018 #19
You can also look at the betting odds which tend to be very accurate Quixote1818 Nov 2018 #8
Thanks, I didn't know about that Polybius Nov 2018 #9
Here are better Predictit links Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #21
Interesting! Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #11
Hawley and McSally huge favorites, according to that site. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #13
I know, which is a bit nerve-racking but at least they have those Dems surging right now Quixote1818 Nov 2018 #16
Not huge favorites but the totality is huge Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #22
The silver lining to this is Pence would be miserable having to show up to the Senate every single OliverQ Nov 2018 #20
Manchin and Doug Jones mean the Democratic party is minus 2 on many votes. sarcasmo Nov 2018 #23

Quixote1818

(28,960 posts)
3. Interesting question. Here is what I just found.
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 02:32 PM
Nov 2018



Somehow this brief period of forced bipartisanship has been overlooked amid the bitterness around the crazy Bush-Gore election and eventual Supreme Court decision. But after a 50-50 Senate emerged from the 2000 Senate election cycle, the parties’ leaders, Republican Trent Lott and Democrat Tom Daschle, agreed to a unique power-sharing agreement that actually led to a reasonably productive Senate early in 2001. Lott and Daschle agreed to split each committee roster evenly and divide staff resources in half, while Republicans technically retained the chairmanships and the ability to convene hearings and markups. Lott was given the power to proceed to legislation that had received a tie vote in a committee.

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/303644-even-steven-how-would-a-50-50-senate-operate

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
5. My guess is that they did this because there were no Senate rules to cover the situation
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 02:37 PM
Nov 2018

I have no idea if they fixed the rules to apply to ties for the future. If a committee vote is tied I also do not think the veep can break the tie on a committee vote.

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
14. Wouldn't Dems still be the minority ...
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 03:21 PM
Nov 2018

... technically because of independents? I think that's the position Turtle Shit will take.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
18. the difference here is that Gore was still in office as VP when the Senate was set up
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 03:31 PM
Nov 2018

but since Pence precedes this Congress he can provide the vote to set up as he sees fit.

Polybius

(15,472 posts)
10. Right-wing?
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 03:04 PM
Nov 2018

No idea, but when if comes to their polling, they just average out all of the major polls and form one super-poll for their RCP average. That part seems pretty neutral, unless they are leaving out some reliable polls?

Polybius

(15,472 posts)
15. Thank you, I did not know that
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 03:23 PM
Nov 2018

I had assumed they were neutral, which is what I look for in polling. Looks like they leave out good polls yet include Rasmussen (which is about as right-wing as it gets).

Quixote1818

(28,960 posts)
19. I am glad you had me look all this stuff up again. I remember all this coming out about them
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 03:33 PM
Nov 2018

on DU years ago. So it's possible they have improved. I do know 538 really tires to stay neutral as their entire reputation depends on getting elections right and it's just notable that each site has totally different conclusions on several candidates.

Quixote1818

(28,960 posts)
16. I know, which is a bit nerve-racking but at least they have those Dems surging right now
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 03:24 PM
Nov 2018

and they have us up on states like NV and Florida. Also, AZ in the past 24 hours has been switching back and forth: https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3812/Which-party-will-win-the-US-Senate-race-in-Arizona-in-2018

You have to click on the 24 hour tab.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
22. Not huge favorites but the totality is huge
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 04:06 PM
Nov 2018

Republicans are trading at 87 cents on a dollar to retain the senate. That type of favoritism is not being portrayed around here:

https://www.predictit.org/legacy/Market/2703/Which-party-will-control-the-Senate-after-2018-midterms

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
20. The silver lining to this is Pence would be miserable having to show up to the Senate every single
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 03:34 PM
Nov 2018

time there is a vote.

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