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meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:39 PM Nov 2018

James Carville was on MSNBC and saying the more he sees the less hopeful he is

What is he seeing? Sure GA and FL are too close, only because of all of the shit and shenanigans the rethugs have been pulling. But what else is he seeing that is making him "less hopeful"?

So far, I like what I'm seeing. So far..

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James Carville was on MSNBC and saying the more he sees the less hopeful he is (Original Post) meadowlark5 Nov 2018 OP
Maybe he's looking at his wife. milestogo Nov 2018 #1
LOL meadowlark5 Nov 2018 #3
Oh, she's a meanie SummerSnow Nov 2018 #4
That's a marriage made in... who knows where... that I absolutely DO NOT understand. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #8
I don't know how people do it meadowlark5 Nov 2018 #14
Inwoukd have no repect for some one so stupid and just mean. boston bean Nov 2018 #23
He must have a secret "Evil Knievel" inside him to even consider marying her! Judi Lynn Nov 2018 #11
LOL Raine Nov 2018 #20
Ratings treestar Nov 2018 #2
What's to like? Codeine Nov 2018 #5
+1, Red Counties coming in gang busters again ... no dip in panhandle uponit7771 Nov 2018 #9
PBS was cautious about the Bluewave also California_Republic Nov 2018 #6
Less hopeful for a big blue wave. Ilsa Nov 2018 #7
So what was expected? meadowlark5 Nov 2018 #10
same here meadow, and I concluded what the American people are made of from 2016, when a racist, still_one Nov 2018 #16
The last time snowybirdie Nov 2018 #12
Carville is on TEEEEVEEE, and needs attention, but assuming he is right, it will be very simply that still_one Nov 2018 #13
No.....I don't believe that..... a kennedy Nov 2018 #18
Hell, the polls haven't even closed on the West Coast, so I am with you. Note I said IF Carville's still_one Nov 2018 #22
This sucks workinclasszero Nov 2018 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Nov 2018 #17
KY6, VA5, VA7 were all looking promising but now appear to close-no-cigar 4139 Nov 2018 #19
Were those district Hillary won or are they pretty gerrymandered? meadowlark5 Nov 2018 #21
i wouldnt know; those and Maine 2 & GA6 were some of the house seats some of the 4139 Nov 2018 #24
It was always likely to be closer than it ought to be Oak2004 Nov 2018 #25
He just took it back, said he's feeling better about the Midwest going blue. mahina Nov 2018 #26

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
8. That's a marriage made in... who knows where... that I absolutely DO NOT understand.
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:42 PM
Nov 2018

That's a marriage made in... who knows where... that I absolutely DO NOT understand. I guess there's "someone for everyone" but as far as I'm concerned, I could NEVER be in a politically mixed-marriage. Never. EVER!

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
14. I don't know how people do it
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:46 PM
Nov 2018

You must have to have some understanding that either you don't talk politics or you try to keep it on a very superficial level.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
10. So what was expected?
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:43 PM
Nov 2018

I was never thinking we'd win 40+ seats and the senate. I'm always hopeful, but the American people can't be trusted to deliver.

I expect the worst and hope I'm pleasantly surprised. That's the cynic in me.

still_one

(92,216 posts)
16. same here meadow, and I concluded what the American people are made of from 2016, when a racist,
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:47 PM
Nov 2018

sexist, bigot was elected

but I still have hope since the polls haven't even closed on the west coast



snowybirdie

(5,229 posts)
12. The last time
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:44 PM
Nov 2018

he was the top political guru was over 20 years ago! I take what he thinks with a grain of salt.

still_one

(92,216 posts)
13. Carville is on TEEEEVEEE, and needs attention, but assuming he is right, it will be very simply that
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:44 PM
Nov 2018

the country is racist, sexist, and bigoted, and pay a high price for that



a kennedy

(29,672 posts)
18. No.....I don't believe that.....
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:50 PM
Nov 2018

i’m Still hopeful the blue wave will come.....to the House for sure AND the Statehouses. Come on Dems.

still_one

(92,216 posts)
22. Hell, the polls haven't even closed on the West Coast, so I am with you. Note I said IF Carville's
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:52 PM
Nov 2018

assessment was correct, not that it would be

Response to meadowlark5 (Original post)

4139

(1,893 posts)
19. KY6, VA5, VA7 were all looking promising but now appear to close-no-cigar
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 09:50 PM
Nov 2018

Hopefully Pennsylvania will come through

4139

(1,893 posts)
24. i wouldnt know; those and Maine 2 & GA6 were some of the house seats some of the
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 10:00 PM
Nov 2018

Media had been saying were good for the picking in states that closed early. So I’ve been following

Oak2004

(2,140 posts)
25. It was always likely to be closer than it ought to be
Tue Nov 6, 2018, 10:54 PM
Nov 2018

Not for any reason other than the Republicans have gerrymandered everything.

Recall, Hillary won the popular vote. So have others, good people like VP Gore, who nonetheless went home while the minority party took power over the wishes of the people. This has happened over and over again, in fact.

This country's democracy is ailing. It is easy to imagine that everything is fine, or everything will work out somehow. The fact is, things might not work out. And things are not normal. It is impossible to underestimate the depth of the work needed to restore our democracy, and I don't know if we can do it.

The problem is not with the American people. Overwhelmingly people reject the incipient fascism of the Republican party. The problem is the legacy of slavery hard-wired into our system that gives greater weight to empty acreage in Wyoming than a crowded borough in New York, and everything that follows from it. Make no mistake about it: the crisis we face, even if we win everything this year from now on, is a crisis as severe as any this country has faced, and I am including the Civil War.

I see three realistic outcomes: One, our democracy dies, and we have a right-wing authoritarian racist and militarist dictatorship for decades to come. Two, our nation collapses, possibly through a bloody civil war, or possibly through states withdrawing from the union in a manner where the weakened central government does not have the power or the desire to hold the union together. Three, we build a people power mass movement that compels those in office to make the necessary reforms, including multiple amendments or a rewrite of the Constitution to address the structural failings of our system, or, failing that, a nonviolent popular "color revolution" to compel democratic reforms.

That mass movement is needed, not just to pressure for change, but also as a step towards restoring civil society. Ours has collapsed. People have become isolated, and civil society is the foundation stone upon which healthy democracy is planted.

I don't say this in order to discourage others. I say this in hope that concerned patriots commit themselves to the best possible outcome, to build a people's movement to reform and strengthen American democracy. No nation that so strongly opposes a demagogue should find ourselves outvoted, ever. It's not enough to just show up and vote every other year. One bright light is that progressives and the Democratic rank and file have begun building such a movement after the shock of Trump's victory. We need the likes of Indivisible even after we "win", and even if we "lose", because we have so much work in front of us.

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