Kennedy/Harris 2020. Here's why:

[TreeStarsForever]

Now that we have won back the House, we need someone in 2020 that can go high when Trump goes low (no one can beat Trump at being a bully). Kennedy offers a clear contrast: youthful, wholesome, and good-hearted. He can go high when Trump goes low.

Sure — nominating a white, privileged male to represent the diverse Democratic Party may seem like a bad choice (that’s where Kamala Harris comes in). But the fact is, we desperately need star power and name recognition against Trump — two things Joe Kennedy possesses.

Simply put: Joe Kennedy has the “it” factor.

“Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

Trying to fight Trump on his own turf doesn’t work. It never will. That’s why we need someone who comes across as good natured and can go high when Trump goes low.

Remember: Kennedy’s charismatic, hopeful Democratic response to Trump’s State of the Union was very well-received.

Kennedy produces excitement and a clear, youthful contrast to Trump. Again: Kennedy has star-power, name recognition, and the “it” factor. All things we need against Trump.

Kamala Harris would be a great VP. She would make up for Kennedy’s shortcomings by capturing the heart of the Democratic Party: a female and minority driven party. Harris, as a trained lawyer, could also be an effective counter-puncher if needed.

Kennedy/Harris 2020 — a winning ticket!

Let’s go high when they go low!

PS: Joe Kennedy’s curly red hair could, dare I say, become more iconic than Trump’s!

[ZZenith]

1. Harris yes. Kennedy no.

We need desperately to get past the dynasty model.

[TreeStarsForever]

4. We need name recognition and star-power against Trump.

Kennedy has the "it" factor.

Kennedy's hopeful Democratic response was highly received.

Kennedy's charisma can capture the youth vote.

Kennedy is a clear contrast to Trump both visually and substantially.

Again -- we need name recognition and star-power against Trump.

PS: The Clintons aren't a dynasty. Dynasty refers to blood inheritance. The Clintons built their power side-by-side dating back to their days at Yale Law. Hillary was the breadwinner when Bill ran for Governor. That's vastly different than a dynasty that is directly associated with blood inheritance. Neither Clinton was born into wealth or political connections. Both of the Clintons worked for all they achieved.

[ZZenith]

10. Ummmm. I don't see it.

And I don’t remember mentioning the Clintons.

[TreeStarsForever]

18. Who else have the Democrats nominated that is from a dynasty in recent memory?

Clinton? No.

Gore? No.

Kerry? No.

Obama? No.

[ZZenith]

23. I meant as a nation.

Christ, this is not a difficult concept to grasp. No more Bushes, no more Kennedys. No more political dynasties - it’s time for people who weren’t born into obscene wealth to run things for awhile.

[TreeStarsForever]

28. Joe Kennedy has spent his career helping the poor and under-privileged.

Being prejudice against someone born into wealth is still prejudice.

[ZZenith]

31. And hoping to jail people for possessing some weed.

Non. Starter.

[TreeStarsForever]

33. All 2020 candidates will have negatives. No candidate is perfect.

[ZZenith]

38. And some negatives automatically rule them out amongst people of conscience.

[TreeStarsForever]

43. Ok. Glad to know marijuana is your #1 issue.

[ZZenith]

45. Defeating the fascist movement in this country is my #1 issue

and I will support candidates based on their likelihood of doing so.

Joseph Kennedy III ain’t it.

[TreeStarsForever]

46. So glad to hear marijuana isn't your #1 issue.

Seemed like it was based on how you would disqualify someone from running based on it. Weird?

Anyway -- we can agree to disagree.

Bye now?

[ZZenith]

50. Perhaps you haven't spent much time amongst the youth of this country

but I am telling you in the most plain language I can muster, they will NOT support someone with his record of espousing such backward mentality.

Your ticket is no more! It has ceased to be! It’s expired and gone to meet it’s maker! It’s a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed it to the perch it’d be pushing up the daisies! It’s metabolic processes are now 'istory! It’s off the twig! It’s kicked the bucket, it’s shuffled off it’s mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-TICKET!!

Bye!

[TreeStarsForever]

54. I disagree. And I'm 29 and live in weed crazy Oregon with two younger siblings.

Politicians can evolve on issues.

Obama was against gay marriage and he evolved and still got the youth vote.

Bye!

[ZZenith]

62. Well howdy neighbor.

You do know that all the states will eventually legalize, and for good reason, right?

“I don't think marijuana should be legalized,” Kennedy flatly told Boston magazine in 2016.

2016?!!!! Holy fuck, this would have been disqualifying in 1986 from a “liberal Democrat.”

I think maybe he should spend a little time in prison to see first-hand the social carnage our ill-conceived and monstrous “War On Drugs” has been.

No, he will never be President as a Democrat.

[TreeStarsForever]

63. All 2020 candidates will have negatives. No candidate is perfect.

[True_Blue]

70. We're not a monarchy

I like Kamala Harris. I like her voting record. IMO she is"The One".

[TreeStarsForever]

73. I'm basing my opinion on charisma, star-power, and name-recognition when facing someone like Trump.

[True_Blue]

79. Kamala Harris has star power & charisma

I've never even heard of this guy before. I bet she has far more supporters than he does.

[TreeStarsForever]

80. You didn't see the reaction to Joe Kennedy's Democratic response to Trump's State of the Union?

It's on my main post.

Joe Kennedy got rave reviews.

[question everything]

17. + 100

[Cane4Dems]

2. Biden/Beto would be better combination

Biden would provide the blue-collar tough talk that people like and he can bring the fight to Trump. And Beto provides the positive energy/charm to energize our base like Pres. Obama used to

[TreeStarsForever]

5. Getting on Trump's level never works.

Biden got 1% when he ran for President for a reason. He's a dork and puts his foot in his mouth. Besides -- he has some baggage with Anita Hill.

Fighting on Trump's level never works. Biden can't go lower than Trump goes. Trump will win the macho contest.

Kennedy can capture the youth vote and be charismatic and optimistic. A clear contrast to Trump, with his own set of name recognition and star-power.

[ZZenith]

25. Is that you, Joseph?

Getting a good jump, I see.

[Celerity]

6. Beto as VP yes, but Biden no thanks, can we get some non soon-to-be 80 somethings please

Biden would be 86 at end of 2 terms, Bernie 87, Hillary 81

Time for a new generation to run.

[marylandblue]

3. Yeah, I am leaning towards Kennedy

I am not sure about Harris though.

[TreeStarsForever]

7. She represents the heart of the Democratic Party: women and minorities.

Plus, she's a trained lawyer: smart, quick-witted, and can be a great counter-puncher.

She makes up for Kennedy's shortcomings, which is that he's white, male, and privileged.

Plus, Kennedy needs to go high when Trump goes low.

Leave it to Kamala Harris, the trained lawyer, to clap back in the most epic ways possible!

[marylandblue]

14. I think he has a stiletto tongue to fight back against Trump's hammer

But Trump will play the race and gender card against Harris. We'll see. Top of the ticket comes first.

[TeamPooka]

8. Harris 2020

[GaYellowDawg]

9. Harris/O'Rourke

Two extraordinary speakers. Harris would absolutely carve up Trump in any debate. He would completely lose his mind when a black woman ran circles around him. And she is tough as nails. Any shot he took at her, she'd return with interest. And she does contempt so well. So well. Highly useful in a debate against Trump.

And can you imagine how hard Beto would beat down Pence in a debate? OMG.

[ZZenith]

13. Thank you.

That ticket has the “it” factor in spades.

[JonLP24]

15. I agree it would

[tinrobot]

34. I like that one.

[Celerity]

64. this

[nini]

65. That's what I want

They compliment each other well.

[JonLP24]

11. Flip the ticket and I might agree

Besides Harris is more nationally known than someone with a Kennedy name.

[TreeStarsForever]

19. We can agree to disagree.

[jcgoldie]

12. I love Harris...

Seriously think in the last few weeks Beto became the front-runner.

[question everything]

16. I will never support Harris, nor Gillibrand, who were the first to demand Franken resign

this almost cost us a seat this evening.

But I love Kennedy. Kennedy, Connor Lamb, Beto - these are the young blood that the party so desperately needs.

[TreeStarsForever]

22. Kennedy's Democratic response proves he can capture the youth vote (VIDEO):

[tritsofme]

20. Kennedy needs to "evolve" away from his 1950s style attitude on cannabis

Before he is worth considering for national office.

[TreeStarsForever]

21. Really? That's your criticism?

[tritsofme]

24. Yea, really. He is way out of step.

[TreeStarsForever]

26. Views on weed are the least of my concern these days. We have much bigger fish to fry.

Plus -- my post is talking about big-picture points -- how someone can visually and stylistically compare to and beat Trump.

[jcgoldie]

39. Weed may seem like a not so serious issue...

... but it motivates young people who we will need to turn out.

[TreeStarsForever]

41. I'm pretty sure Kennedy can and will "evolve" on this issue.

Every candidate will have negatives. No one is perfect.

But I think people are missing my big-picture points :/

[JonLP24]

27. Thanks for that

Hard pass.

“If you smelled [marijuana] in a car, you could search a car,” Kennedy said. “When it became decriminalized, you couldn’t do that.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston.com/news/politics/2018/03/08/joe-kennedy-iii-marijuana/amp

[TreeStarsForever]

30. All 2020 candidates will have negatives. No candidate is perfect.

They will dig up stuff on everyone.

[ZZenith]

29. But the youth will LOVE him, donchaknow?

[TreeStarsForever]

32. Very true. Now you're getting it!

[ZZenith]

42. You've not convinced anyone of anything.

[TreeStarsForever]

44. Neither have you?

[ZZenith]

47. Your enthusiasm seems to be preventing you from recognizing that your proposed ticket

has completely flopped here.

[ZZenith]

51. Don't know me very well, do you, brother?

[TreeStarsForever]

56. Nope.

Still a hater.

[ZZenith]

60. I am sure Joe Kennedy III is a decent enough chap.

But 2020 is for the future of the entire planet and he won’t be getting the nod. Not enough bona fides, unless you’re into style over substance, which is what got us into this fucking mess in the first place.

[TreeStarsForever]

61. But my point is that in a contest against reality-TV star Trump, we desperately need style.

[ZZenith]

66. Over substance?

You think that will win the day? Really?

By 2020 the vast majority of the citizens of this country are going to be sick-to-death of that very concept and will look to leaders who have proven themselves to possess a clear-eyed grasp of what truly is and is not a crime worthy of a jail sentence.

Your boy ain’t it. That’s not hate, that’s reality.

[TreeStarsForever]

68. You need style to win against Trump. That's the reality when you go against a reality-star.

You have too much faith in the American people. Style is necessary to win in America.

You don't have to agree with Joe Kennedy. I already know that. You have made that very clear over and over and over again. LOL.

So what's your point in continuing to comment on my post? To get the last word?

Personally, I love that you keep arguing with me. Makes it so my post keeps getting views.

Thanks, bro!

[ZZenith]

71. You're welcome, bro!

The more people exposed to your idea, the sooner it will be ruled out.

[TreeStarsForever]

72. Keep going, bro!

Every 2020 ticket proposal will be attacked to death.

Beto is hot right now because of tonight. Means nothing once the primary season starts up.

But I'm not willing to count out Beto. Sad you are willing to count out Kennedy.

Keeping an open mind is a great personality trait.

[ZZenith]

74. So is discernment, bro!

[TreeStarsForever]

75. Why did you steal my bro thing? That's weird.

[ZZenith]

77. Didn't realize you'd invented it. You can have it back, bro!

[TreeStarsForever]

78. Thanks, bro!

[brush]

35. Or vice versa. It's time for a woman president but I could live with your ticket.

[TreeStarsForever]

40. Sadly, sexism is still very prevalent in America as Hillary's candidacy proved.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. No. No. Sorry

[TreeStarsForever]

37. Who would you prefer?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

55. Too early..but think about it ..Trump ate 16 opponents

up alive. Besides losing the house ... miraculously Florida and GA and TN won for him and beat the polls. Republicans have a stanglehold on us. They are rigging. It will take an unbelievable extraordinary ticket.

[Celerity]

82. 2020 is going to be absolutely brutal unless Trump is somehow

removed, which I fear there is zero chance of unless Meuller has something magical up his sleeve. I just can't see 20 or so (whatever the final Senate number is) Rethugs voting to convict and remove. A girl can hope!

Very interesting night we had. Mixed bag but overall we are sitting better than before IMHO.

[Garrett78]

48. Kamala Harris and Sherrod Brown or Beto O'Rourke

[Laura PourMeADrink]

58. Love Sherrod Brown. And I am serious...he needs

To go to a voice coach.

[dflprincess]

59. I don't want either Harris or Brown in the VP slot

both would be more valuable staying in the Senate.

But a Harris/O'Rourke ticket makes sense. Maybe even a Brown/O'Rourke. In fact, VP might be just the right move for Beto at this point.

[Garrett78]

76. I meant Harris as President and either Brown or O'Rourke as VP.

I think we'll see record turnout with Harris at the top of the ticket, and she's been my choice for a long time now.

I think calls for Beto to be our presidential candidate are rather ridiculous, and I've been against him being on the ticket at all. As impressed as I've been by him, especially his speech on anthem kneeling, the lack of federal government experience is a concern. After tonight, though, I'm open to the idea of him being VP.

[rollin74]

52. Harris -Yes. Kennedy NO

I like Harris but Kennedy is a prohibitionist and I don't want him on the ticket

[Lotusflower70]

53. Hmmm

I am thinking Harris and O'Rourke 2020.

[krawhitham]

57. no

[Celerity]

67. Harris and O'Rourke 2020 is the consensus of this thread

And a No for Kennedy


to be continued.........

[TreeStarsForever]

69. Only cuz of what happened tonight. O'Rourke is a flash in the pan. But we shall see.

[Celerity]

81. Oh yes, wayyyyy too early. I do really like Kamala the best so far though.

Beto is intriguing. Time will tell. I have confidence we can put together a winning team!

[AlexSFCA]

83. Beto is the new superstar and frontrunner in my book

he should declare the run asap to keep the momentum and supporters engaged and start raising money