Windows 8 vs. Windows 7 Performance

[DainBramaged]

Looking at the graphs and pretty pictures, there isn't enough of a gain ANYWHERE (and often not as good) over Windows 7 to justify switching.


Fuck Windows 8


http://www.techspot.com/review/561-windows8-vs-windows7/page2.html

[hobbit709]

1. As someone said "Vista with a cellphone interface"

[Initech]

21. I've been saying that for a while.

[Occulus]

2. Wow.

I was expecting a bigger performance jump. Guess I'll be staying with 7 for the foreseeable future.

[Dreamer Tatum]

3. Cue the smug a-hole, er, Linux brigade...nt

[hobbit709]

4. The smug ones are the Mac fanboys and girls.

[whistler162]

52. Nah those are just the millions of bots

running on OSX!

[Bonobo]

69. Don't hate us because our computers work as they are supposed to. nt

[hobbit709]

74. At what they charge for one of those overpriced things, they'd better.

I build my own and run either a tweaked Windoze or a Linux machine that does exactly what I want for for a whole lot less.

My main toy is a AMD 8-core OC'd to 4.5GHz and 16Gb RAM running either XP X64 or Mint. Even with the water cooling I only got about $650 in it.

[Bonobo]

82. Not everyone has the time to geek out.

With the time we spend not rooting around in Radio Shack, we work.

And when we work, we like to use machines that do what they advertise without having to do daily bug-zapping to avoid disabling malware.
If you are a professional and need a computer, the extra money is worth it for the lack of headache.

It's like having an accountant... sure you can do your taxes yourself, but the accountant does it better and you pay for the lack of headache.

[hobbit709]

101. Once I get a machine set up, the software takes care of the bug zapping.

I doubt I spend 10 minutes a week worrying about it. Just about all problems are caused by the ID ten T error. I haven't had a virus in 6 or 7 years at least.

[Berlum]

99. ...smug for so many undeniably damn good reasons...

deal with it

[hobbit709]

102. If that is a reason, you can have it.

[Taverner]

118. "It's not a real computer unless it was written in FORTRAN"

This, outside the cube of one of my co-workers, an old-school Mainframe guy

[L0oniX]

5. Yea like MS needs you to shill for them with your anti alternate OS.

Thanks for sticking up for the rich guys. If it's free it bad huh.

[TroglodyteScholar]

9. I wasn't going to say anything

But since you made an unjustified attack, I'll just add that a) you've got a bad attittude, and B) MS has a bad OS that's only getting worse.

[Dreamer Tatum]

10. God I LOVE tweaking Linux users

As thin-skinned as Rush fans.

[TroglodyteScholar]

19. Since you admitted to trolling, I'll accept the implied apology.

[octothorpe]

29. Limbaugh or the canadian band?

[independentpiney]

32. made me laugh

[DainBramaged]

40. Too funny to laugh, too sad to cry

another Linux fanboy bleats his allegiance to banging his head against the screen INSISTING like a Fundy we should use his shit or we are the ones whose OS will fail.


Win 7 is the most stable, expandable, easy to work wit software MS ever put out. You have no idea what you are talking about


Again

[AverageJoe90]

42. I've used Linux for almost 2 months straight.....

And other than the occasional login issue, I couldn't ask for anything better; at least, not for kind of computer I'm using.

Though, once I get a new PC, I'm probably gonna start using Windows again, just so I can play games again........

[Occulus]

43. .....but you're USING linux right now.

Or a *nix OS of some sort.

Even when you step away from a computer, the chances are good you'll use *nix at some point today, tomorrow, and the next day.

You don't even know it.... because it works so well.

[TroglodyteScholar]

72. Give up.

These guys aren't aiming to talk sense with anyone. The first post in this subthread contained no defense of MS, only an attack on Linux users. That should tell us something.

I literally wasn't going to post on this thread until I saw that attack. You know why? Because it's not news. It's not out of character for MS to fuck their customers. Just business as usual.

[TroglodyteScholar]

70. I'm sorry, did I miss something?

I don't recall insisting that anyone change their OS.

Furthermore, I use Windows 7 extensively at work, and it's simply the OS that Vista should have been if MS had their focus on providing a good product rather than trying to coerce their users to buy new versions every few years that at best implement minor improvements and bugfixes, and at worst leave the user wondering why the fuck their new PC with the latest greatest Windows performs like such a piece of shit.

But let's be clear: you and your buddy who likes to provoke those of us who choose Linux...you made your choice. I'm happy for you that you're satisfied. But the out-of-the blue attacks on Linux users, calling us cultish and arrogant... that's a reflection on you and the troll, not me.

There was a broad brush attack on those of us who have chosen a certain product. I responded that it was out of line. You piled on with a bunch of insults. Who are the "a-holes" in this exchange?

[Egalitarian Thug]

108. As long as you limit the comparison of M$ bloatware to more M$ bloatware they

do just fine. And after all, isn't that the M$ business model in a nutshell?

M$ has never produced any software that was even as good as the competition (when there was competition), let alone better. They steal whatever they can and buy & bury what they can't steal because they simply cannot compete.

[Egalitarian Thug]

39. It's just that our altruistic nature gets the better of us. We know that you don't understand

that your computer is a monument to humanity's genius, constrained and doomed to mediocrity by a monument to predatory capitalism and the suppression of innovation in the name of monopoly.

It's not rocket science, it's computer science.

[DainBramaged]

54. They piss on every Windows thread like Fundies and Freepers

moronic

[TroglodyteScholar]

73. When Dreamer Tatum posted that attack on Linux users, not a single one had "pissed" on the thread.

But the two of you seem really desperate for that to happen. Why? Why so angry?

[Ezlivin]

6. This is why I only run an OS I've written myself

Seriously.

It's the 21st century.

You can knock out the kernel for a decent OS over the weekend, then get the device drivers done during the weekdays.

My OS requires less than 2MB of memory and is impossible to hack.

Anyone using a store-bought, commercial OS is simply too weak-minded to even use a modern computer.

Last weekend I built my own tablet computer.










Fanboy, my ass.

[Logical]

7. LOL, this is silly. Who does that really? n-t

[randome]

8. Impressive.

But don't discount those of us who have lives!

[FarCenter]

14. Or you can download the new release of Damn Small Linux.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=damnsmall

[DainBramaged]

15. You're slow, I wrote the new Gettysburgher Address and modified Moore's Law last weekend

ARMature......


spin spin spin

[Logical]

75. LOL, good one. n-t

[Bosonic]

18. ?!?

[lordsummerisle]

27. Probably

the most arrogant post I have ever read on DU...

[Ezlivin]

106. Really?

Let me introduce you to sarcasm.

You will encounter it here on DU from time-to-time. Do not be alarmed.

[AverageJoe90]

44. You could make a bit of money off of that, if it's decent enough. =)

And then use the money to pay the bills, or put it towards advancing your system.

Seriously, man, that's pretty frickin' awesome.....don't think I could pull that off at the moment, though. =(

[Hugabear]

93. Wow

Anyone using a store-bought, commercial OS is simply too weak-minded to even use a modern computer.

Elitist much?

And I suppose those of us who drive store-bought, commercial vehicles instead of building our own is too weak-minded to drive. After all, the knowledge to build your own car is available to anyone with a computer.

[Ezlivin]

107. I am so elite

I use my toilet paper one sheet at a time.

Sadly, I'm not elitist enough to properly pull off a very tongue-in-cheek post. I even thought that the over-the-top sentence you quoted would lead to the realization that the entire post was a joke.

Unfortunately I failed. And the humor I thought to provoke in you instead created disgust.

Sigh. But, hey, when I did stand-up comedy there were times when the joke didn't work. Oh, well.

[Hugabear]

115. My apologies then.

I've seen enough elitist computer snobs to think that your post could be literal.

And don't worry about sarcasm flying over people's heads. I've made my own share of sarcastic posts that have sunk because people didn't understand it was sarcasm.

[hughee99]

11. Windows releases: A bad one, a good one, a bad one, a good one...

Why break with tradition?

[TroglodyteScholar]

20. Close...

A bad one; a less bad, rebranded version of the previous bad one; another bad, rebranded version of the first bad one; a less bad, rebranded version of the last bad, rebranded version of the first bad one....

[Yavapai]

31. Windows "8"?

In reality it is windows 95, service pack #216.

[Taverner]

114. XP actually changed the code big time

Win95 was still sitting on a DOS shell, and this continued until WinXP, where they brought in the WinNT shell from their other version of Windows.

So Win8 is really WinXP service pack #216

[malokvale77]

116. It's all still DOS

[Taverner]

117. It's actually older than that - It's VMS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS

[malokvale77]

121. winNT shell...

as I understand it, emulates DOS.

I'm thinking in terms of \ vs / and non-case sensitive vs case sensitive, compared to UNIX.
I'm not an expert, I just don't see much difference in the commands from Win98 to Windows7. I did find Win98 easier to work with.

I actually left Windows years ago. I started using Linux and never looked back.

Thanks for the info, it never hurts to learn a knew thing.

[AverageJoe90]

55. Win 95 wasn't all that bad, actually.....

I used to have more problems with Win 98. Now that system was broken.

[Taverner]

113. Yep: 95 Bad, 98 Good. WinMe VERY BAD, XP good. Vista Bad, Win7 Good

[Rosa Luxemburg]

12. I am behind the times

I didn't know there was a windows 8

Linux fan here

[dembotoz]

13. i don't really care what the number is, i just want the damn thing to work

perhaps i write my own os

not gonna happen any time soon

can't afford apple

linux--seems not in my wheelhouse of expertise--hear it is wonderful but i just want the thing to work.....

thanks for the update--the one good, one bad pattern does seem to apply.

[phleshdef]

16. I don't intend on upgrading. Windows 7 is the highest quality thing Microsoft has ever put out, IMO.

And as some have mentioned, it seems that every other OS release is a good one/bad one.

[FarCenter]

17. The Windows 8 objective is battery life and fitting onto phones and pads

So they've put their efforts into the touch interface and on getting rid of the power-hungry Aero interface.

Note that previously the objective had been to consume whatever increment in processing power Intel/AMD and the GPU chip makers had produced since the last desktop release. So the interface became glossier and graphically more complex with each release.

By now, further increments in desktop CPU and GPU processing power are mainly of interest for gaming and video editing.

[DainBramaged]

23. further increments in desktop CPU and GPU processing power are mainly of interest for gaming and

video editing....I wrote this huge answer to you but realized it would be a waste of time.


If you think CPU power is mainly of interest to the gamers and video editors, you really must have never had a proper corporate job. Or done a monthly financial statement with auditors using Office Professional.


FYI, you can turn Aero on and off via the registry.


Enjoy your Windows 8 Millenium

[FarCenter]

24. I've had a proper corporate IT job -- we used servers, not desktops, for accounting.

It would have been a waste of time.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/01/16/building-the-next-generation-file-system-for-windows-refs.aspx

[DainBramaged]

25. It was a waste of time replying, everyone uses a server in the corporate environment

If you are tied into the corporate network...


Your auditors and lawyers didn't sit around the conference room table and plug workstations into the wall jacks, but then again you had a proper IT job. You know all about that IT stuff....


Goodbye.

[Initech]

22. With Steam becoming available on Ubuntu later this year there won't be any more reason to buy Windows.

And that couldn't happen soon enough!!

[ejpoeta]

28. what's that? i like linux except i don't understand it.

seems complicated and I need it to work with my programs. Did put it on dual for one of ours. Kids loved the games.

[eShirl]

30. oh my Deputy Dawg

I hope that happens before my free windows 8 preview stops working

[Initech]

56. Its supposedly this December according to Valve.

[DainBramaged]

36. Why isn't Linux used in the classrooms? Tablets? Notebooks? PC's at retailers? Hospitals?

Jesus you people have had long enough to make it work. Just wondering how the great unwashed masses who can't even fix the clock on their microwave build a box and install an operating system?


You folks crow like goats pissing on the rest of the world you deem impure because they don't want to play with open source software. And no matter how fucking good it may be, you folks aren't even on the charts of PC users. And one day you'll stop screaming like morons and just move on.


And it won't happen soon enough. Not.

[longship]

48. Linux users will settle for CERN, FermiLab, etc.

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Astronomy, and those other measly applications.

What's Microsoft got? Proprietary game systems? They can't even keep MS Word secret. Even Windows users can use Sun Office for free.

Fuck Microsoft and their monopolistic company.

Oh, and by the way, I don't see too many Microsoft OS's on the biggest supercomputer list. Linux is all over it.

That's the difference between an operating system and a marketing plan scam.

[DainBramaged]

51. You didn't answer the question, but you never will, next

Being purer than thou with you little OS is funny

[Occulus]

60. *sigh*

Classrooms:

https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+classrooms&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&client=firefox-a

Tablets:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=ips&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=linux+tablets&oq=linux+tablets&gs_l=serp.3..0l3j0i30l7.68269.69152.0.69411.7.5.0.2.2.0.173.282.0j2.2.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.-MklZI92m6I

Notebooks:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Prs&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=linux+retail+laptops&oq=linux+retail+laptops&gs_l=serp.3..0i8i30.27773.30916.0.30999.14.13.0.1.1.0.85.714.12.12.0.les%3B..0.0...1c._NXiCe0-iX4

Point of Sale Systems:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=urs&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=linux+point+of+sale&oq=linux+point+of+sale&gs_l=serp.3..0l4j0i30l4j0i10i30j0i30.51463.53486.0.53603.14.13.0.1.1.0.98.867.13.13.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.AKq-12VyRaA

Hospitals:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=UDY&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=linux+hospitals&oq=linux+hospitals&gs_l=serp.3..0i30j0i8i30.21559.22598.0.23493.9.9.0.0.0.0.109.703.8j1.9.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.6ihIwFwBv1A

Wade through the results yourself. I have, your criteria are satisfied, but I will not prove it for you. I am not your monkey. Do your own research, or admit you weren't really all that curious to begin with.

In other words, do your own work. Your criteria only prove- again- that you just don't know what you're talking about.

[DainBramaged]

63. You just pulled shit ot of the gutter, NONE of those are relevant

Nice try bucko, start your own thread and go PINCH yourself.

[Occulus]

67. If it's irrelevant, why did you ask? Do you make a habit of asking irrelevant questions?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1146997

Go shit down Dreamer Tatum's throat if you want entertainment. He's the one who originally brought the subject up, and based on the way he did it, something tells me he thinks he's not a *nix user. He's wrong, of course, but that's a subject you should take up with him.

Clue: there are OPs, which 'define' the whole thread, and things called "subthreads". Subthreads can- gasp!- go off-topic. Welcome to DU! Enjoy your stay!

[longship]

71. That's fucking hilarious.

My new laptop came with Ubuntu pre-installed, ready to go.

Just because monopolistic Microsoft shuts down commerce channels with major retailers doesn't mean they get to shut them all down.

I have been doing computers since my college days in the mid-sixties. I have worked with all sorts of OS's from IBM mainframes, Burroughs mainframes, DEC (including the System-10 which had real core memory), Harris super minis (try Vulcan OS sometime). I started microcomputers with Apple II and eventually migrated to PC because of the open technology which enabled me to build my own from off-the-shelf components.

I saw MS-DOS as a weak OS, very limited given the capability of the hardware. CPM, which predated it, was arguably better, and certainly more powerful. Even Apple's ProDOS, which I beta tested, was much more powerful. ProDOS died with the poor Apple III, regretably. When Windows 1 came out, I tried it out. It was ponderously slow. But, as I knew, it was merely a copy of Apple's Lisa, which was a copy of Xerox's desktop.

As a derivative work, Windows is an abomination. They actually glued a so-called 32-bit windowing environment onto the inane 16-bit MS-DOS shell and marketted it as 32-bit (Win95/Win98). I know, because I had official beta test versions of both.

The last Windows I used was Win NT 4.0, which I also beta tested. I had already been using Linux in parallel with NT 3.x. But even this early Linux put NT, the best M$ had to offer, to shame. The resource requirements were small. Plus, the best thing -- and Microsoft's HUGE design mistake -- is the separation between System and User. In Linux and all Unixen, the two are separated by steel walls. The user interface operates in user space; the OS operates in system space.

Only Microsoft Windows puts the user interface in system space. That makes it inherently insecure, as Windows' malware experience attests.

What convinced me was that I could learn everything about Linux by simply going online and getting the full OS documentation. You want to run the most popular Web server in the universe? All the docs are right there. You want the source code? It's on another site. You want to help? Sure, we can do that, too.

The result? I have never run a virus scanner on any of the many Linux boxen I have run. Just do not need them. More processing power for me. I have never had a Linux box crash, except for hardware failure, which kinda makes any OS go down (usually a hard drive).

BTW. My quad core linux laptop kicks some serious butt.

[TroglodyteScholar]

79. Where do I begin?

Linux is used in classrooms, governments, hospitals, etc, in a number of other developed and developing nations, not to mention plenty of municipalities in the US.

Also, the Kindle Fire and any other Android tablet or phone...all running Linux. But "you people" can't seem to accept or acknowledge that success story.

For your future reference, here's a link to this list of companies that are member of the Linux Foundation: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
I know...Intel, NEC, Samsung, Fujitsu, Cisco, Hitachi, Oracle, Google, Toyota, Texas Instruments... pisswink, right? A bunch of idiot nobodies wasting their time, effort, and resources. If you actually give a shit about the facts, 10 seconds of Googling will reveal dozens of additional moronic organizations that you can heap your scorn on, too.

Seriously, why are you so angry about this topic? The vitriol coming off of your posts stinks out loud.

P.S. Your disdainful reference to "the great unwashed masses" is supremely arrogant, and a device that has been repeatedly employed by the likes of Rush Limbaugh.

P.P.S. The Obama admin uses the open source Drupal CMS for whitehouse.gov because the old proprietary Bushie system wasn't doing it for them. They've got it running on Red Hat Linux. Maybe you should vote for Romney since our guys are such pissing goats.

[Egalitarian Thug]

110. Two reasons; $ and monopoly. BTW, before M$ was granted immunity from anti-trust

enforcement with their campaign contributions, nobody that had critical information systems would go near any M$ products, especially their OSes. Las Vegas casinos run on Linux and UNIX for the same reason, reliability, security, and performance.

[Logical]

76. LOL, want to make a large wager on that?

[Initech]

90. Why yes I would.

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/valve-confirms-steam-for-ubuntu-12-04-l4d2-as-first-game-20120717/

Now where's my beer and travel money damn it???

[lordsummerisle]

26. I'm looking to upgrade my laptop

and was told to wait for Windows 8. Sounds like it's a moot now...

[DainBramaged]

37. Whomever told you to wait is clueless. Or tryng to sell PC's.

[longship]

33. Fifteen year Linux user here

I don't use inherently insecure OSs, like Windows. I like configuring my OS and choose my own software to install, or not install, a power I have, unlike with Windows. I prefer an OS that is fully documented as to what's in it and how it works, or doesn't work, unlike Windows. I prefer an OS that is reliable and stable, unlike Windows. I prefer an OS which still works with legacy equipment because it takes maximum advantage of existing resources, unlike Windows which puts stupid, inane hardware requirements on Microsoft users.

Linux works well on legacy 32-bit tech, and takes advantage of the most modern.

The best thing is that's free, both in the cost sense, as in the freedom sense.

Sorry for the rant. But Linux just works.


Windows sucks. Always has. Always will.

Free yourself. Choose Linux.

[madokie]

35. I've yet to get any malware, virus or any of that crap on my linux machine

and it runs the programs I need better than windblows ever did. Oh and my computer is going on 11 years old too.
No reason to upgrade as recently I thought I needed to do just that and bought a new quad core, 8 gig ddr3 ram and my old machine running ubuntu was twice as fast as the new 700 dollar behemoth. Needless to say they made a mistake when they told me I had 15 days to like or bring it back. I took it back and went back to my old computer and am one happy camper for having done that.

screw windows any version

[DainBramaged]

38. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww aren't you just special...

See my previous post about Linux bleating. Reply 36

Don't bother to try and sell me, I don't give a shit.





Command line, died with Dos 1998. Trying to revive it is like trying to make a FRankenstein, OH wait, that is what you folks try to do. Silly fanbois.

[Occulus]

47. The command line is used pretty much constantly *right now*.

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?

[DainBramaged]

50. I don't give a shit

[longship]

58. I have helped out enough Windows users throughout the years.

They were all bleating about the multitude of malware that the monumentally insecure WinBlows is subject to.

The last time was last month when a friend who likes pron, got himself a nasty nasty infection from a pron site. I researched this particular devilish monster. The fix was extremely complex and it would have likely rendered the OS less than fully functional. So, the recommendation was a total reinstall from nothing.

After 15 years I have had nothing but reliable, fast operations from all my computers -- and I have had many. Not a single case of malware. They just work. One of my little servers ran for seven years without a reboot, in spite of numerous server software upgrades. Try that on Microsoft -- reboot if you want to blink -- Windows.

Microsoft is just poor damned engineering.

Not one OS crash in 15 years.

And the X Window System doesn't require a command line. It hasn't for years. Still, the BASH shell is no ordinary command line. It does things Windows users cannot even dream about.

No offense, friend, but before you malign a technology it would be better if you knew something about it.

[Occulus]

68. Then this thread is about very little

because the stats demonstrate very little difference between the performance of Win7 vs. Win8.

[TroglodyteScholar]

83. Your willingness to reduce Linux to just the command line is telling.

Your willingness to compare the Linux CLI to MS DOS is also telling.

A) Linux is far more than just a command line. But you would already know that if you were really interested in honest debate.

B) The CLI in *nix OSes is infinitely more powerful than MS DOS ever was, Of course, to understand that, you first have to care enough to understand how a computer works rather than just assume that because you think it looks like DOS, it must be a piece of shit like DOS.

You're just looking for a fight, and it's sad.

[longship]

87. First, you forgot Tux's beer glass.

Second, Linux isn't for dummies.

It's for people who like secure, efficient computing, which is why it will always be at the cutting edge. It's what runs a vast portion of the Internet. It does cutting edge science. It runs some of the world's largest supercomputers.

Nobody, and certainly not me, would claim that Linux is for everybody. But, in my experience, all the liabilities that Windows exhibits have been essentially solved in Linux whereas Microsoft seems to have no clue how to solve their insidious security issues.

These are the issues which Linux users know of. My question is why do Microsoft users not see them?

The extent to which you get angry about Linux posts in your thread, is the extent to which your anger may be misdirected. You have already had two posts hidden by jury here. Maybe your anger should be directed to Microsoft instead of experienced computer users who are attempting to show people a different, and putatively better way.

That's why Windows threads inevitably give rise to these discussions.

BTW, Linux isn't that difficult these days. And there is a huge community very willing and able to help newbies along the path to stable, reliable computing.

Now, if you want to game? You may have to stick with Windows. But even there, Linux is doing important things.

Thanks for your posts. Please show the respect we've shown you. The personal attacks don't do any good.

[NashvilleLefty]

45. Are you familiar with WINE?

A former co-worker always swore by it on his several Linux boxes.

http://www.winehq.org/

He said that WINE stood for "WINE Is Not Emulation", which is what I immediately thought it was when he told me about it.

[Logical]

78. LOL, maybe for some home hacker. Not for general public. Wow, some people do not know IT.

[longship]

91. Well, I would put my IT resume against anybody's.

However, you would be correct about Linux not for everybody a few years ago.

But, more recently, there has been some new distributions pandering to the newbie. I run one of these, Ubuntu. It just works, easy peasy.

Installation is fast, reliable, and easy. There is full instructions, and did I say easy?

The biggest issue is how to install optional software. Linux has tens of thousands of software "packages" to choose from. Any Linux installation gives you an easy choice from the monumentally huge repository of programs, systems of programs, productivity software, and even games. It's enough to glaze one's eyes. There is even software to run your own supercomputer.

Treading through this maze is probably the most difficult thing a newbie has to do. That's where the numerous Linux forums come in. There are thousands of Linux users who will gladly help newbies get things right the first time. It really is simple. And we like to help.

[Logical]

95. You have to know for most Moms and Dads Linux is not easy. This is the issue...

people have trouble upgrading their mac software. Imagine these people installing Linux.

I love it but I (and you) are geeks. Not ready for prime time.

[longship]

96. Ubuntu install is simple.

But the package management is a nightmare for almost everybody but Linux versed. Tens of thousands of packages!

If I want to do new thing "X", which of the thousands of packages do I get?

That is the only thing holding Linux up on the desktop. It's not the installation; even my ex-wife did it over the phone with me with zero problems. Upgrades are even a no brainer. It's adding shit that's a problem. Which package that does "X" do I choose when there are dozens, some of which are command line apps?

That's where Linux breaks down for grandma and grandpa.

[malokvale77]

120. I didn't get a computer 'til I was 50 yrs old...

It didn't take long before I ripped out Windows and put on Linux I got so sick of that "illegal operation" shit. I kept looking for the Feds to come beating down my door, lol.

I have a new computer now that came with Windows7. The damn thing crashed on the first update. What do you think I did?

I've got a half dozen different Linux flavors on her, but my favorite is my highly customized Slacko Puppy. She just does what I want when I want.

The only time I ever shut her down is to clean the keyboard. Linux just works.

[Motown_Johnny]

34. It seems that every other version sucks.

Wait for the one after 8 if possible.

I will be sticking with 7 for the foreseeable future.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

41. What's that I see on the horizon? Why, it's the next Vista!

Yep. They should have stuck to one platform. Everyone I've spoken to says they tried to make a one-size-fits all OS, which fits nothing.

The question is, how long will they offer support for 7?

[kentuck]

46. I liked Windows 3.1.

[DainBramaged]

61. One of the BIG storage companies STILL uses it

I was stunned until the manager showed me one day. There it was Win 3.1. BTW, the big company with the ORANGE motif.

[X_Digger]

49. Meh, my windows 7 looks like XP (which looked like win 95).

If I could get the stability of XP SP3, the driver support of win 7, and the UI of windows 95, I'd be a happy man.

I turn off every animation, sound, hover, shake, transparency, gradient and craptacular effect in windows.

If I wanted a mac, I would have shot myself first, then bought one.

[DainBramaged]

53. And btw Linux brigade, this thread isn't about you, or can't you understand the OP title?

Fanbois, looking to be fanbois when the loneliness kicks in.

[Occulus]

64. Tell it to dreamer tatum

He's the one who brought it up. Something tells me he doesn't think he uses *nix.

The reason we're being defensive is because you keep attacking.

[deaniac21]

57. I second that emotion

[malokvale77]

62. Comparing crap with crap...

Just gives you a bigger load of shit.

[Warren DeMontague]

65. I want to know about the "Mozilla Kraken"

[Berlum]

100. the Hour has come

[Yavin4]

77. "Fuck Windows 8", Well If You Must, I Advise Wearing A Condom

You don't want to catch a virus.

[MADem]

80. Why is this in GD? Isn't there a computer group? nt

[regnaD kciN]

81. Forget Windows. Forget Linux. Forget OSX.

Bring back AmigaDOS!

[Blue_In_AK]

85. I just upgraded to 7 from XP

My very trusted computer guy said to absolutely NOT get 8. He said he plans to stock maybe 1,000 version 7's to have on hand when all the new computers come with 8 already installed. He said it's just like with vista...he replaced a lot of those with XP because people were so dissatisfied.

I've had XP forever and I liked it. It's just limited now with all the new stuff.

[TroglodyteScholar]

88. I remember getting a brand new, badass laptop loaded with Windows Vista right after it came out.

It was supposed to be a high performance machine, but it ran almost as bad as my outdated old XP box. "Upgrading" to XP helped a bit, and I used it like that for several years. Now I'm running Linux Mint 13/Cinnamon on it, and finally it feels as snappy as it should have from the start. Also boots faster than any Windows machine I've ever owned.

[Blue_In_AK]

94. Well, I'm somewhat computer illiterate

So I stick with what I know. My husband and I just got iPads and I feel like I'm learning a foreign language. Is there Rosetta stone for computer languages?

[TroglodyteScholar]

105. Hahaha I'm afraid not

There's no substitute for getting in and getting your hands dirty. I was raised around all kinds of computers, so I can only imagine how overwhelming new systems might be for someone who isn't a computer hobbyist or professional.

Luckily, user interfaces are becoming ever more intuitive. I'm no fan of Apple, but I wouldn't ever claim that their products are too difficult for your average bear. Hang in there

[Blue_In_AK]

111. Thanks.

It's not really that I haven't been around computers -- I was a legal secretary for 25 years and went from correcting selectrics through mag cards, Wang, multiple word processors, word perfect DOS and windows, Upgraded (?) to Word, etc. etc. etc., but I was always just processing words, not getting into the inner workings of the machines I was working on. That part has always been a complete mystery to me. When people start talking about the pros and cons of various operating systems my eyes glaze over.

About all I can say with any certainty is that I much prefer Corel (Word Perfect) to Microsoft Word, which I despise.

[2on2u]

104. Been running Ubuntu for years, this Acer starts up and is ready to go in about

20-30 seconds, shuts COMPLETELY down in about 4. I remember waiting much much longer for windoze to start and stop. I couldn't use windoze again, I don't have the time or the patience for it.

[TroglodyteScholar]

86. DainBramaged

We didn't come here to piss on your thread. Your buddy Dreamer Tatum pissed on us before any of us even chimed in at all.

As I said in my first post (responding to DT), I wasn't going to say anything at all until I saw the attack on Linux users. And rather than ignore it, you just piled on. You can't punch someone in the eye and then throw a fit because they didn't just fall down.

For the record, the OP is fairly interesting, but hardly surprising. Was anyone expecting a big performance increase from Win7 to Win8? Did anyone get a big performance increase from Win 98 to Win XP, or from Win XP to Vista? Microsoft has always been more about licensing their OSes on massive numbers of new systems and selling incremental "upgrades" than actually giving the user the best possible experience. Why should we start expecting them to take a different approach now?

[B Calm]

89. Windows XP has them both beat

[emilyg]

92. !00% agree.

[intaglio]

97. It's an even number Windows

wait for Windows 9

[Egalitarian Thug]

98. And then wait 9 months after release for most of the inevitable patches to be released.

Oh, and pay us for it.

[kraj8995]

103. windows 8 is far better than 7.

The latest operating system from Microsoft, the Windows 8 operating system, is all set to launch later this year. While the rumor mills have been working overtime spewing out endless list of features of Windows 8, Microsoft has released a document shedding some light into some of the changes the users can expect in this latest version of Windows.
Windows 8 file management changes
If the system detects any file conflicts, i.e., if the system identifies a duplicate file, then the user has the option to automatically remove those files. The duplicate files are detected based on their date, time, and size.
Windows 8 transfer function is a much better tool compared to its predecessors and it can be experienced while copying files. If the user is to plug in a faster connection, then the system will use the faster speed to copy files.
Another feature of Windows 8 transfer function is that, it won’t allow interrupting of copy procedures to display any issues or interrupts rather it wait till the copy procedure is over and then only the copy issues will be displayed.
Users of previous Windows version have often complained about the scrolling issues encountered while expanding folders in explorer and this issue has been solved in Windows 8.
AIPMT previous year question paper

[William769]

109. You really don't need Windows 8 unless you want some nice features for a touch screen.

With that said the upgrade charge for Windows 8 will be under $30.00.

[Taverner]

112. F Win8 - stick to Win7 until it EOLs

Win7 is stable, not as much of a resource hog and actually works like a PC, not a phone

[steve2470]

119. I always love these kind of threads

I always learn something new. I'm in the camp of "linux is great but I'm too lazy to use it well all the time".