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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Left Had Better Not Sit THIS Election Out
Synopsis: Back in 2000, a bunch of folks on the Left bought into the bullshit and did not vote for the imperfect Dem of the day, partially causing the Bush Occupation. PLEASE don't repeat this mistake again.
http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/the-stupidest-f-in-the-world/
montanacowboy
(6,101 posts)that 90 million are sitting out the election
90 million - can you even wrap your head around that
GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)voting fixes, etc. I would love to see the voting records of some of those hand-wringers. They don't seem to get how important it is, until an election doesn't go their way.
spin
(17,493 posts)Many conservatives distrust him.
Any signs of improvement in the economy should guarantee a win for Obama. Unfortunately it appears gasoline prices are increasing which could have a negative impact on Obama's chances.
Gas prices surge 34 cents since June
Gas prices rise unexpectedly from a combination of refinery and pipeline problems and increase in oil prices. But analysts don't expect average gas prices to reach $4 a gallon.
By Jonathan Fahey, AP Energy Writer / August 12, 2012
A surprise surge in gasoline prices is taking some of the fun out of summer.
The national average for a gallon of gas at the pump has climbed to $3.67, a rise of 34 cents since July 1. An increase in crude oil prices and problems with refineries and pipelines in the West Coast and Midwest, including a fire in California, are mostly to blame.
Analysts don't expect gas prices to get as high as they did in April, when 10 states passed $4 a gallon and the U.S. average topped out at $3.94. But this is still unwelcome news in this sluggish economy, since any extra money that goes to fill gas tanks doesn't get spent on movies and dinners out.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0812/Gas-prices-surge-34-cents-since-June
riqster
(13,986 posts)...like people figuring that Romney has no chance to win, so they needn't bother to vote. That also happened in 2000, and was another enabling factor in the Great Oval Office Robbery of that year.
spin
(17,493 posts)IcyPeas
(21,904 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)...the which is why there are so many organizations trying to keep them away. This election will be won or lost by turnout, and it is much harder for the Dems - a seriously tilted playing field. We have to bust our butts just to get to parity.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)I am not happy with him. He is a corporatist.
I WILL vote for him because the alternative is worse, and because I'm concerned about the makeup of the Supreme Court.
I lost my job only a week before he was elected in 2008, and I am still unemployed, with no prospect of work in sight. His campaign will not get a dime from me.
riqster
(13,986 posts)I have some complaints with how the big-eared schmuck has done his job as President, but a Romney administration would make the Bushies look like fluffy little bunnies.
Obama gets my vote, and I'll drag other Obama (or anti-Romney) voters to the polls by their lips if I have to.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)I know I'll get it from a jury for saying that, but its worth it.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Point taken, and I had that coming.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)I think some threads bashing Ralph Nader and other threads belittling liberals will help gotv.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The beatings will continue until morale improves.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)the Republican candidate if those on the right who won't vote for Romney and those on the left who won't vote for Obama would cancel each other out. Any stats on that?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Don't blame the voters if the candidate fails to win their votes because he values the votes of moderates over the left.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)If Obama appeals to just the liberals he won't be reelected anyway.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Whether he gets the liberal/left vote or not.
Romney has moved so far to the right even the moderates seem liberal.
riqster
(13,986 posts)...people said things like that in 2000/2004, too. We need massive turnout like in 2008 in order to overcome the margin in which fraud is enabled.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)just1voice
(1,362 posts)and was selected by the SC, it was all democratic voters fault, LOL.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Not "all democratic voters". I put my own words in my mouth, and do not need or want yours inserted therein, thank you very much. In fact, if you read what I said, the Democratic voters were not the problem at all: it was the non-voters that have to own up to some degree of culpability. Not all of it, not even most of it, but some of it.
Florida was stolen in 2000, make no mistake (subsequent impartial counts proved that Gore won): Ohio and Tennessee smelled pretty fishy as well. In each state, a few more nose-holders for Gore would have made the theft impossible.
The reason the Bushies could pull off their crime (and the subsequent 8-year crime spree) was the closeness of the election: it provided smoke and mirrors, and allowed a few minor crimes by election officials to have a disproportionate impact. A thousand more Gore votes in Florida and we would not have suffered through the Bush Years (that we are still suffering through).
The mathematics of Presidential elections in America in the present day is binary. D or R. If you don't vote D, you help the R.
From my point of view, this sucks: not only am I an independent, I favor the abolition of political parties (as President Washington suggested). But guess what? The way I want the world to work is most definitely not the way the world really works.
At state and local levels, we can push independent candidates, and now and then we get one. But the Presidential race in 2012 will be Romney or Obama. How we vote (or do not vote) will determine which of those two win.
And if we have any fucking integrity at all, we will own our vote and the consequences thereof.
I will vote for Obama in spite of the fucking illegal drone attacks; because Romney would replace the drones with troops, thus killing even more human beings, in more places and for worse reasons.
I will vote for Obama even though he has moved at an arthritic snail's pace on rights for GLBT, immigrant, and female Americans; because Romney would go backwards and take those rights completely away.
I will vote for Obama even though his health care plan is half-assed; because Romney would take even that away, causing more people to die so rich motherfuckers can earn a bigger profit.
But most importantly, I will vote for Obama, because as we all should have fucking well learned in 2000 and 2004, any non-Democratic vote will make it easier for the Repubs to take over the nation completely.
Yep, it sucks. But it has to be done. And I will own the moral consequences of anything I enable Obama to do. Will you own the moral consequences of anything you enable Romney to do?
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)they are not crazy people.
riqster
(13,986 posts)I just hope that the policy choices outweigh the damages that a Romney victory would bring about.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)more publicly concerned than he is?
Why the hand-wringing?
Are you smarter than he is? Do you know something that he does not?
riqster
(13,986 posts)...and there are too many on the Left who are talking about sitting this one out. Obama's worried about it too.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)And you can read President Obama's mind and purportedly know:
You haven't shown this. You've only shown your purported special belief in your special insight.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Dude, his campaign is spending big bucks on GOTV. Would he be doing it if he did not feel it needed the investment? He's a very smart man and does not waste resources.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)So you are not on "the Left."
Just how far to the "Right" are you? And why do you think that you are qualified to be a self-appointed spokesman for President Obama?
GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)isn't it happening already?
DemocracyInaction
(2,506 posts)Yesterday Tweety sited a poll (don't remember which one). It asked registered voters if they were going to vote. Of those who said they were NOT going to vote the breakdown was: 20% were Romney voters who will not vote; and 43% were Obama. Personally, I'm sick of fighting for these people all these years. If you don't vote then eat shit and shut up. I don't care about your pain anymore.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)help get out the vote in all states but especially swing states.