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The Left Had Better Not Sit THIS Election Out (Original Post) riqster Aug 2012 OP
I heard on Bill Press's show this morning montanacowboy Aug 2012 #1
How do they get those numbers? Can they tell us who they voted for last time? GreenPartyVoter Aug 2012 #4
Some will and then they'll be wringing their hands about russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #2
Fortuanately Romney is a very flawed candidate. .... spin Aug 2012 #3
True, spin, but that presents its own problems riqster Aug 2012 #5
That is a fair point. (n/t) spin Aug 2012 #6
i posted this interesting article yesterday about people who don't vote.... IcyPeas Aug 2012 #7
If we can get even a fraction of those folk to the polls, it could make the difference riqster Aug 2012 #9
Then Obama had better LISTEN to us if he wins LiberalEsto Aug 2012 #8
I completely understand riqster Aug 2012 #10
Big eared Schmuck? Seriously, go fuck yourself. phleshdef Aug 2012 #20
You're right, that was rude of me. riqster Aug 2012 #22
Not if I'm on your jury. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #26
There hasn't been enough brow-beating of the Left to make sure it doesn't happen again. Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #11
^this. KG Aug 2012 #12
LOL! woo me with science Aug 2012 #21
Yep. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #27
I've been wondering since Romney was sure to be UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #13
This is simple. If he wants the votes of the left, appeal to the left instead of the moderates. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #14
Yeah, but there's one problem with your suggestion. PragmaticLiberal Aug 2012 #18
He's got this one locked up. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #19
I hope you're right, but riqster Aug 2012 #23
Who'd believe him? kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #35
heh. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #36
Yeah, and The Right Had Better Not Vote For Zorra Aug 2012 #15
Oh so that's why chimp stole Florida, LOL just1voice Aug 2012 #16
Partially responsible I said, partially responsible I meant. riqster Aug 2012 #17
I agree but also know people who are voting 3rd party b/c of certain policy issues and limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #24
Everyone makes their own choices riqster Aug 2012 #25
If President Obama is sufficiently concerned about the "folks on the Left," why should you be AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #28
I am concerned about turnout riqster Aug 2012 #29
"too many on the Left"? Who are you to say this? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #30
Uhmmmm... riqster Aug 2012 #34
His "spending big bucks on GOTV" does not justify you saying "too many on the Left." AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #37
It would be so nice if we could switch from plurality to ranked or approval voting. So why GreenPartyVoter Aug 2012 #31
Hate to post this DemocracyInaction Aug 2012 #32
That is the most important thing any of us can do this year and the second most important is to jwirr Aug 2012 #33

montanacowboy

(6,101 posts)
1. I heard on Bill Press's show this morning
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:37 PM
Aug 2012

that 90 million are sitting out the election

90 million - can you even wrap your head around that

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
2. Some will and then they'll be wringing their hands about
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:45 PM
Aug 2012

voting fixes, etc. I would love to see the voting records of some of those hand-wringers. They don't seem to get how important it is, until an election doesn't go their way.

spin

(17,493 posts)
3. Fortuanately Romney is a very flawed candidate. ....
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:01 PM
Aug 2012

Many conservatives distrust him.

Any signs of improvement in the economy should guarantee a win for Obama. Unfortunately it appears gasoline prices are increasing which could have a negative impact on Obama's chances.

Gas prices surge 34 cents since June

Gas prices rise unexpectedly from a combination of refinery and pipeline problems and increase in oil prices. But analysts don't expect average gas prices to reach $4 a gallon.


By Jonathan Fahey, AP Energy Writer / August 12, 2012

A surprise surge in gasoline prices is taking some of the fun out of summer.

The national average for a gallon of gas at the pump has climbed to $3.67, a rise of 34 cents since July 1. An increase in crude oil prices and problems with refineries and pipelines in the West Coast and Midwest, including a fire in California, are mostly to blame.

Analysts don't expect gas prices to get as high as they did in April, when 10 states passed $4 a gallon and the U.S. average topped out at $3.94. But this is still unwelcome news in this sluggish economy, since any extra money that goes to fill gas tanks doesn't get spent on movies and dinners out.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0812/Gas-prices-surge-34-cents-since-June

riqster

(13,986 posts)
5. True, spin, but that presents its own problems
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:11 PM
Aug 2012

...like people figuring that Romney has no chance to win, so they needn't bother to vote. That also happened in 2000, and was another enabling factor in the Great Oval Office Robbery of that year.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
9. If we can get even a fraction of those folk to the polls, it could make the difference
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:37 PM
Aug 2012

...the which is why there are so many organizations trying to keep them away. This election will be won or lost by turnout, and it is much harder for the Dems - a seriously tilted playing field. We have to bust our butts just to get to parity.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
8. Then Obama had better LISTEN to us if he wins
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:35 PM
Aug 2012

I am not happy with him. He is a corporatist.
I WILL vote for him because the alternative is worse, and because I'm concerned about the makeup of the Supreme Court.

I lost my job only a week before he was elected in 2008, and I am still unemployed, with no prospect of work in sight. His campaign will not get a dime from me.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
10. I completely understand
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:41 PM
Aug 2012

I have some complaints with how the big-eared schmuck has done his job as President, but a Romney administration would make the Bushies look like fluffy little bunnies.

Obama gets my vote, and I'll drag other Obama (or anti-Romney) voters to the polls by their lips if I have to.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
20. Big eared Schmuck? Seriously, go fuck yourself.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:26 PM
Aug 2012

I know I'll get it from a jury for saying that, but its worth it.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
11. There hasn't been enough brow-beating of the Left to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:43 PM
Aug 2012

I think some threads bashing Ralph Nader and other threads belittling liberals will help gotv.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
13. I've been wondering since Romney was sure to be
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:50 PM
Aug 2012

the Republican candidate if those on the right who won't vote for Romney and those on the left who won't vote for Obama would cancel each other out. Any stats on that?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
14. This is simple. If he wants the votes of the left, appeal to the left instead of the moderates.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 01:51 PM
Aug 2012

Don't blame the voters if the candidate fails to win their votes because he values the votes of moderates over the left.

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
18. Yeah, but there's one problem with your suggestion.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:20 PM
Aug 2012

If Obama appeals to just the liberals he won't be reelected anyway.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
19. He's got this one locked up.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:22 PM
Aug 2012

Whether he gets the liberal/left vote or not.

Romney has moved so far to the right even the moderates seem liberal.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
23. I hope you're right, but
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:40 PM
Aug 2012

...people said things like that in 2000/2004, too. We need massive turnout like in 2008 in order to overcome the margin in which fraud is enabled.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
16. Oh so that's why chimp stole Florida, LOL
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:04 PM
Aug 2012

and was selected by the SC, it was all democratic voters fault, LOL.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
17. Partially responsible I said, partially responsible I meant.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:16 PM
Aug 2012

Not "all democratic voters". I put my own words in my mouth, and do not need or want yours inserted therein, thank you very much. In fact, if you read what I said, the Democratic voters were not the problem at all: it was the non-voters that have to own up to some degree of culpability. Not all of it, not even most of it, but some of it.

Florida was stolen in 2000, make no mistake (subsequent impartial counts proved that Gore won): Ohio and Tennessee smelled pretty fishy as well. In each state, a few more nose-holders for Gore would have made the theft impossible.

The reason the Bushies could pull off their crime (and the subsequent 8-year crime spree) was the closeness of the election: it provided smoke and mirrors, and allowed a few minor crimes by election officials to have a disproportionate impact. A thousand more Gore votes in Florida and we would not have suffered through the Bush Years (that we are still suffering through).

The mathematics of Presidential elections in America in the present day is binary. D or R. If you don't vote D, you help the R.

From my point of view, this sucks: not only am I an independent, I favor the abolition of political parties (as President Washington suggested). But guess what? The way I want the world to work is most definitely not the way the world really works.

At state and local levels, we can push independent candidates, and now and then we get one. But the Presidential race in 2012 will be Romney or Obama. How we vote (or do not vote) will determine which of those two win.

And if we have any fucking integrity at all, we will own our vote and the consequences thereof.

I will vote for Obama in spite of the fucking illegal drone attacks; because Romney would replace the drones with troops, thus killing even more human beings, in more places and for worse reasons.

I will vote for Obama even though he has moved at an arthritic snail's pace on rights for GLBT, immigrant, and female Americans; because Romney would go backwards and take those rights completely away.

I will vote for Obama even though his health care plan is half-assed; because Romney would take even that away, causing more people to die so rich motherfuckers can earn a bigger profit.

But most importantly, I will vote for Obama, because as we all should have fucking well learned in 2000 and 2004, any non-Democratic vote will make it easier for the Repubs to take over the nation completely.

Yep, it sucks. But it has to be done. And I will own the moral consequences of anything I enable Obama to do. Will you own the moral consequences of anything you enable Romney to do?

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
24. I agree but also know people who are voting 3rd party b/c of certain policy issues and
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:49 PM
Aug 2012

they are not crazy people.



riqster

(13,986 posts)
25. Everyone makes their own choices
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:12 PM
Aug 2012

I just hope that the policy choices outweigh the damages that a Romney victory would bring about.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
28. If President Obama is sufficiently concerned about the "folks on the Left," why should you be
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:25 PM
Aug 2012

more publicly concerned than he is?

Why the hand-wringing?

Are you smarter than he is? Do you know something that he does not?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
29. I am concerned about turnout
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:40 PM
Aug 2012

...and there are too many on the Left who are talking about sitting this one out. Obama's worried about it too.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
30. "too many on the Left"? Who are you to say this?
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:47 PM
Aug 2012

And you can read President Obama's mind and purportedly know:

Obama's worried about it too.

You haven't shown this. You've only shown your purported special belief in your special insight.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
34. Uhmmmm...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 09:08 PM
Aug 2012

Dude, his campaign is spending big bucks on GOTV. Would he be doing it if he did not feel it needed the investment? He's a very smart man and does not waste resources.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
37. His "spending big bucks on GOTV" does not justify you saying "too many on the Left."
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:19 PM
Aug 2012

So you are not on "the Left."

Just how far to the "Right" are you? And why do you think that you are qualified to be a self-appointed spokesman for President Obama?

GreenPartyVoter

(72,381 posts)
31. It would be so nice if we could switch from plurality to ranked or approval voting. So why
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:55 PM
Aug 2012

isn't it happening already?

DemocracyInaction

(2,506 posts)
32. Hate to post this
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:55 PM
Aug 2012

Yesterday Tweety sited a poll (don't remember which one). It asked registered voters if they were going to vote. Of those who said they were NOT going to vote the breakdown was: 20% were Romney voters who will not vote; and 43% were Obama. Personally, I'm sick of fighting for these people all these years. If you don't vote then eat shit and shut up. I don't care about your pain anymore.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
33. That is the most important thing any of us can do this year and the second most important is to
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 08:01 PM
Aug 2012

help get out the vote in all states but especially swing states.

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