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Forgive me, but Im not prepared to join this walk down Great Umbrage Street just yet. Yes, its ugly out there. But is this worse than four years ago, when Obama was accused by the GOP vice presidential nominee of palling around with terrorists? Or eight years ago, when Democratic nominee John Kerry was accused of falsifying his Vietnam War record?
Whats different this time is that the Democrats are employing the same harsh tactics that have been used against them for so long, with so much success. They have ceased their traditional response of assuming the fetal position when attacked, and Obamas campaign is giving as good as it gets and then some.
Umbrage doesnt win elections. Ruthlessness does.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dana-milbank-the-ugly-presidential-campaign/2012/08/15/22b72006-e726-11e1-8f62-58260e3940a0_story.html
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)...rMoney is lying
barbtries
(28,811 posts)it's just an attack with the truth instead of a half or quarter truth or bald faced lie.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Telling the truth about someone is NOT an attack.
HenryWallace
(332 posts)Four, and particularly eight years ago, false narratives relied on the right-wing echo chamber to advance and prolong attacks. Even when responses where immediate, there was no oxygen for them to survive.
We, as a society, are becoming more self-aware.
Today, attacks that are not fact-based don't hang around long (and may do more harm than good). The effects of the echo chamber are known and appropriately discounted (thanks to DU & other nontraditional media).
Lies play only to a candidate's base; and you cannot win with just your base.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)that's semantics. our side is swinging with the truth and i'm all for it. it's not dirty tricks and it's not LIES. it's the truth. and the republicans hate it. was it truman who said, i don't give them hell, i just tell the truth and they think it's hell?
MADem
(135,425 posts)ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)Big difference
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)being thrown in against them.
DinahMoeHum
(21,809 posts)". . .he pulls out a knife, you pull out a gun. He puts one of your men in the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. . ."
- The Untouchables (1987 movie)
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)and he did not do this against McCain, nor against Hillary in their very tough race.
This strategy is more about Mitt than about Obama, imo.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)ananda
(28,876 posts)Indeed. Why is it called a negative attack when it's the truth?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Cautious, respectful, calmly worded responses don't get noticed.
Calling BS out in plain talk is what seems to be referred to as an attack, and it seems to be far more effective.
Tennessee Gal
(6,160 posts)Republicans have fought dirty for decades.
I welcome the sight of Democrats going on the offensive.
Yes, it's ugly. So what!
Republicans like to dish it out, but they sure can't take it!
Want some cheese with that whine?
Bring it on, Obama team!
brutus smith
(685 posts)You are so right.
AllyCat
(16,222 posts)with the truth and exposing their lies since the stupid media refuses to do it. It's a thing of beauty.
Tennessee Gal
(6,160 posts)It is a thing of beauty!
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)Now we're hitting them back so fast they can't catch their breath. Also, the media isn't portraying us as whiny anymore for decrying their lies without hitting back.
If calling out Romney's campaign for their lies, and holding his feet to the fire on the tax returns is "ugly" or "reckless and unfair," in this day and age, then so be it. We're landing blows. That's all that matters.
The gloves are off and the Democratic Party is ready to rumble!
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)Rmoney soo wants this one to end. The msm has been covering it today to my surprise.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)Bringing up the question why would someone use that particular phrase? And, just now one where Romney himself said those questioning his tax returns are "small minded."
That last one is sure to go over with the undecided voters like a lead balloon.
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)and hope the dems can frame or slap it back.
Mitt just sets up the pins!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It could mean I squeezed every loophole to the max, but I'm legal. It could mean I paid my debt to society so now I'm legal.
It could mean I get a lot of my income from investments overseas because I don't think America has much of a future, BUT that's perfectly legal, unpatriotic but perfectly legal.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)decided to go on the poutraged defense and assert they have released all that is legally required. Period.
Very accomodating of her, imo.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)they have an entire news station running 24 hour propoganda. cardboard signs are not enough to combat that.
reflection
(6,286 posts)Repukes deserve it.
kimbutgar
(21,188 posts)back because they know they won't be getting the type of money to counter the republican money bags. By standing up to the bullies they get more free news coverage and show they have a spine. President Obama took away the national security mantle away from the republicans so why the hell not fight back. I say hear hear and it's about time.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)they think that Rahm Emmanuel is working behind the scenes and stealing the election by dirty tricks
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)If anyone's going to try to steal the election, it'll be some of Romney's buddies.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)BrainMann1
(460 posts)Call it what you want the truth hurts.
Z_California
(650 posts)Another false equivalency. There is a difference between "palling around with terrorists" and the Swiftboat campaign (lies) vs. revealing that Romney keeps offshore accounts to avoid US taxes and was responsible for outsourcing jobs and destroying lives (the truth).
False equivalency = Propaganda
aggiesal
(8,923 posts)"If they brought up the topic, it's now fair game to respond."
Clinton was a master at it.
FatIrishBastard
(51 posts)over the course of the last 40 years, you've not seen & heard enough to know just what's been going down, & knowing how these unethical, greedy frogs' have NEVER take a day off, excuse me all to hell when I say, never let up, never let down, keep 'em cornered, exploit every weakness, hit 'em with the truth, hit 'em with the facts, & be damned with the niceties.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)I'm so happy that the gloves are off
It's funny how bullies always hate it when they get hit back, it always show what cowards they really were to begin with.
FatIrishBastard
(51 posts)We tried reason, We tried compromise, We tried all of the time tested, and accepted methods of Statesmanship. And how are We repaid for playing fair, and by the rules? Hustled, demonized, dehumanized & hated Swallowed hook, line & sinker by half the country...you know, the frogs now playing the victims. Took Us a while to get past the shock of just what it all means, honest people give the benefit of the doubt, no longer.
Vietnameravet
(1,085 posts)Yes they can give it but they sure cant take it!
I just have to laugh when someone like Ann Coulter says Democrats have poisoned the discussion..
Enrique
(27,461 posts)Balz is a good writer but the article was totally unfair. It laments how the restraints are gone, but as I see it the only ones restraining themselves have been our side. Think about Al Gore conceding in 2000, not just at the end but at several stages. The other side went all out, no restraints, and I doubt Balz said anything.
Did I Just Type This
(77 posts)Romney being called out for lies is now an "attack", ok.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Dems aren't anti-business. Dems aren't soft on defense. More, though, LIBERAL thoughts on not just social justice, but economics and education and infrastructure and taxation are better, have a proven track record, and are if anything, less of a wholesale "redistribution of wealth" than corporatist Republicans have in mind.
America learns slowly, and then it forgets. But attacks on the liberal / Dem *personality* is running out of steam in face of the fact that corporatist and religious fundamental policies are simply wrong and incredibly damaging.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts) Nixon Rmoney is a shifty-eyed goddamn liar. . . . .He's one of the few in the history of this country to run for high office talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and lying out of both sides
Harry Truman.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)especially since we know we are being outspent, and that a lot of the money comes from ABROAD. This is not an election, it is the last hope of staving off civil war.