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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsALERT: Another Group Attempting To Blackmail Nancy Pelosi
Pretty fed up with this, especially as they're working with the Cons. So where were these people in the last 2 years?
WASHINGTON - A group of nine Democrats threatened Friday to withhold support for Nancy Pelosi's House Speaker bid, creating a potential roadblock for the California Democrat who has been lobbying for weeks to get her old role back.
Pelosi was already fighting for support from a group of 16 Democrats who penned a letter, declaring they wouldn't support the minority speaker and instead called for new leadership.
The new group of nine Democrats from the Problem Solvers Caucus threatened to withhold support for Pelosi until she agrees to a list of demands that includes House rule changes that could potentially allow for more bipartisan legislation to pass.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2094575002
No Labels is an American political organization whose mission is to combat partisan dysfunction in politics and "usher in a new era of focused problem solving in American politics". [1] It promoted the creation of the House Problem Solvers Caucus which has 48 members, evenly divided between Republican and Democrats to forge bipartisan cooperation on key issues. [2] Since its creation in January 2017 [3] the Caucus has proposed or supported bipartisan proposals on healthcare, infrastructure, immigration and border security, and gun safety, and was a participant in budget negotiations.[4][5]
In 2018, No Labels introduced its New House, New Rules campaign, which proposes rule and procedural changes in the next Congress to make it easier for bipartisan ideas and legislation to get hearings and votes on the House floor.[6]
On June 21, 2018 No Labels announced The Speaker Project, which proposed using the election of a new speaker as leverage to make rule changes in order to give bipartisan ideas a fair hearing and "a fighting chance in the next Congress".[7] On July 25, the Problem Solvers Caucus released its Break The Gridlock proposals, which aimed at ensuring that legislation with broad bipartisan backing gets an airing in committees and on the floor. [8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Labels
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Do we all 'get it' yet?
Problem Solvers
No Labels
. *No Labels - Founders/Nancy Jacobson; Tom Davis (R), Leader/Joe Lieberman (I/D)
No Labels - Wikipedia
Wikipedia wiki No_Labels
No Labels is an American political organization whose mission is to combat partisan dysfunction in politics and "usher in a new era of ...
Founders: Nancy Jacobson; Tom Davis (R)
National Leader: Joe Lieberman (I/D)
Legal status: 501(c)(4)
Motto: Stop fighting, start fixing
Talk about Establishment
There is a connection to Cenk in this too, btw.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Celerity
(43,580 posts)Those 2 sides detest each other.
Btw, I posted on this very thing 10 days ago (the fact it is the centrists and No Labels-Problem Solvers types going after Pelosi)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211436839
Finally
This 'Cenk is for the center right Lieberman crew' ludicrous comment by that poster is par for the course with them. The same poster continually slanders and smears AOC, was one of those who tried to misrepresent her as being anti Pelosi, back during that first day of orientation and the green activists near her office. They (the poster) even used RW-style guilt-by-association to try and frame her as some sort of Farrakhan groupie. They are trying to feed you disinfo.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11435969
Bfd
(1,406 posts)He was asked to leave the Pac because of his sexual bias.
This is about Cenk & his past. Justice Dems was never mentioned.
So hold your rage targeted at those who do point out truths that you don't want to hear.
Stop makeing stuff up & puttung words in a post that were never ever written.
Cenk has a past long before he formed JD & He's no longer a part of them.
No where in the post you are trashing with false accusations was Justice Democrats ever mentioned.
Celerity
(43,580 posts)Not just you by the way, to be fair, there is small cadre of others too. They inject Cenk and JD and TYT into almost any thread topic.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Stop making assumptions of other posters.
JUSTICE DEMS WERE NEVER MENTIONED TILL YOU BROUGHT IT INTO THE CONVO AS AN ATTACK ON A POST THAT NEVER EVER MENTIONED THE WORDS JUSTICE DEMS.
Stop it.
Cenk's past goes far before JDems ever existed.
You laid down a false accusation with no merit at all.
Justice Dems was NEVER MENTIONED.
Stop reading into a post what is not even there.
That might help.
IGNORE. I have no reason to ever have a convo with you.
Stop starting shit with posters when there is no reason to.
The only one bringing JDems into the convo was YOU.
Poster BFD Never mentioned JDems. You did.
BYE
Celerity
(43,580 posts)I only intervene when I see falsities being posited, and if you look downthread, I am not the only one who sees this.
YOU are the one who not only pushed Cenk (and Sarandon, lol, as if she is a Lieberman fangirl) into this, but then ridiculously tried to link him as some sort of support mechanism for a bunch of centrist, conservadems (not my word, I admit I have lifted it from many other posters here, but it seems apropos) who work hand in glove with Republicans to toss spanners into the works.
here are your (NOT mine) words from this very thread
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211469332#post1
cheers
Great post.
Response to Celerity (Reply #59)
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Celerity
(43,580 posts)As for some special ninja skills I supposedly have, it's called read, search, snapshot, then present it in a cogent and properly framed argument.
Celerity
(43,580 posts)trying to insinuate anything nefarious in regards to my skill-set versus longevity curious indeed when I have been here almost 3 months LONGER than you.
George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Doxxing involves personal information.
lapucelle
(18,356 posts)lapucelle
(18,356 posts)No mention of JD or TYT there. Does this mean "a falsity is being posited"?
Celerity
(43,580 posts)Its all the same memes, they inject one or many (all interconnected and interchanged) of the same pantomime villains in non germane ways in a multiplicity of OP's.
Cenk is almost always (from what I have read here over the past few months) tossed in with JD and TYT, etc. It is exactly what the poster did in my historical evidentiary snapshot.
In this case, the interjection (by the poster, NOT me) it was in the very FIRST reply to the OP.
Cenk was and is absolutely tangential to an OP about the Problem Solvers Caucus and their anti-Pelosi rearguard actions, PS is a catspaw for the overarching centrist to centre right No Labels Lieberman/Republican-backed (with some Democratic members, obviously as well) groups. I also laid out those connections as well in one of my replies above.
IMHO it was a clear attempt to muddy the water and also to falsely tie elements who are absolutely AGAINST these conservadems to this plot to stop Pelosi. This is far from the first time this has occurred, thus my documentation of past examples.
The fact that THIS time they left out JD (but added in a Sarandon twist) is hardly an invalidation of anything that I laid out when viewing the general points I was making, those being it is utter tosh to try and paint this group (Problem Solvers) as some sort of ally and/or stalking-horse for more leftish/progressive (pick whatever adjective, kind or unkind, you desire) groups.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)It's a damned good DOXing of another poster who doesn't align with the likes of another.
Didn't know that was allowed on DU.
Hmm
Celerity
(43,580 posts)You obviously do not have a clue what 'doxing is'. Quoting your own words YOU yourself typed from an ANONYMOUS account back to you or others is NOT doxxing, lol
LUDICROUS!!
Response to Celerity (Reply #90)
Bfd This message was self-deleted by its author.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,345 posts)lapucelle
(18,356 posts)and someone else "interjected" them assuming that JD and Cenk are synonymous?
Celerity
(43,580 posts)the entire (sometimes partial) Cenk/TYT/JD meme up into any OP subject, AS I SHOWED
they are just trying to now micro parse out and spin because I said JD and not Cenk on one of my replies
which I instantly explained ( AND SHOWED them uing and conflated Cenk and JD, etc etc)
and they then went into bizarro world and and invented some mysterious 3rd person who they keep referring to, plus accused me of DOXXING them! (another WTF) because I quoted them from this site
LOLOL
plus tried to say I was not reputable because i have only been here for 5 months, BUT they have only been here for TWO months!!
it's all good though
they have been having a go at me on multiple threads for over a week (not every day, to be fair)
water off a ducks back for me
cheers
lapucelle
(18,356 posts)Celerity
(43,580 posts)and tossing them in randomly into threads with flat out incorrect framing
I showed an example of that
and the entire point
was that they are ridiculous (and this is the entire crux of the biscuit) to imply that Cenk and Sarandon are somehow working with or supporting conservadems (in this cause Problem Solvers who are a offshoot of No Labels, a Lieberman and RW rethug-backed group)
Cenk and Sarandon despise the RW and centrist factions
THAT was the entire point
I was NOT the one who pushed that meme
the poster did on the VERY FIRST reply to the entire OP
it is not only factually wrong (what they said) but Cenk and Sarandon have ZERO to do with thsi entire threads subject
I will not be sidetracked off my original intent to show that all
in my very first post
i specifically DID mention that they said Cenk
and when the poster implied that they had never mentioned Cenk and JD and inter cnanged them before
I showed again that THAT was also untrue
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11435969
RIGHT HERE
that exact same poster used the term
Sausour & Mallory.
We expected no less.
Will be interesting when its time to convince her district back home to vote her back in again.
Her record will speak for itself.
They are Pelosi & Hillary Democrats, not Cenk democrats.
THAT particular post,right above, btw, was a despicable smear job on AOC trying to paint her as some Farrakhan flunkie via guilt-by-association tactics so prevalent on the RW
so I stand by all I said
I should have put CENK in at the top (subject) and not the MIDDLE (which I did do, I put it in the body) of my very first reply on this OP
if that was confusing I do apologise, I am sorry
but my entire thrust of showing a false projection (false being that Cenk and Sarandon are allies of Problem Solvers) was entirely correct
I see Cenk/TYT/JD etc etc spit out over and over and over, all tossed together, with little to no differentiation all the time on a myriad number of threads
I showed an example just now of THE VERY same poster doing it before
I am definitely NOT a Sarandon fan and barely watch Cenk, but ffs, it is just crazy how often they (and almost always also JD and TYT quickly behind) get dumped into so many non germane threads and just stir the pot in another direction
bottom line:
This thread was an anti Problem Solvers thread, so the poster (with the very FIRST reply to the entire OP) attempted to conflate Cenk/Sarandon with another NON-RELATED group (Problem Solvers) who was catching shade, done just to continue the pile on and misframing that has been going on for at least the last 10 days (when the whole AOC misframe (ie. AOC was there to protest AGAINST and to try and take down Pelosi, which was literally the EXACT opposite of the truth!) kicked off (and which is where I first butted heads with poster we have now been discussing for far too many posts)
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Democrats. That type of analysis is used pervasively if you watch the news which districts went for Hillary and whether they will represent the blue wave. You are the one on yet another tangent trying to shut people up about ex-Republicans trying to cause havoc between Democrats. Not going to happen.
Celerity
(43,580 posts)I am against Problem Solvers and what they are doing to Pelosi
this OP was not mine but I agree with it
Problem Solvers have done quite well on their own alienating most (that I see) on this board
THEY (PS) are the ones causing havoc and, btw their actual elected Democratic members are not ex Republicans (which you just said), nor are the other non-Problem Solver elected House members postering against Pelosi (Spahnberger for instance, a brand new member, or Conor Lamb or Max Rose, etc)
Problem Solvers ARE also full of actual real elected Rethugs as well, many of whom vote upwards of 90-97% with Trump and use PS as cover for fake bi-partisanship claims.
LOL Do you also (also always did?) think Cenk is working with Problem Solvers OR you are saying he is the one going around making them go off on Pelosi
that is just simply not true, its tosh
this is a centrist revolt
and that post from the other poster (if you meant the one I just snap-shotted to you on my last reply) was FAR from just saying something about AOC's district being Hillary Democrats
it specifically misled and said AOC was protesting against Pelosi (a false meme, not true at all) a divisive attack, I might add
and it also attempted to smear her as a Farrakhan crony via guilt-by-association
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)nothing. You pulled the same stunt on me before, welcome back as you were making a comment I made to be about AOC and your insinuations were false and absurd. You are the one all over the road here. The post you linked to was basically commentary about the Democrats in AOCs district. If that is related to Justice Democrats then that is a known fact that is reality. We also know who founded Justice Democrats an ex-Republican known fact. Your tangents are not going to change known facts.
lapucelle
(18,356 posts)Celerity
(43,580 posts)or that I jnitially used to engage with them in previous discussions
It's not rocket science
George II
(67,782 posts)....who posted screen shots of others' posts.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)Celerity
(43,580 posts)a massive amount. Its so easy to do and saves time.
It is free and super user friendly.
Give it a try. Its so good for posting things in their original format.
https://gyazo.com/
lapucelle
(18,356 posts)lapucelle
(18,356 posts)It seems like a lot of work, unless one is compiling some sort of file which, of course, is unlikely.
lapucelle
(18,356 posts)to look through and find the correct png file, and then posts the image.
The disadvantage, of course, is that with an image rather than a direct link, it's difficult to evaluate the context. It takes more steps than simply copying and pasting an excerpt or a link, but it does seem like a convenient way to keep files.
Here's a test image.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)you've been here since 2005. That makes 13 years, not 15.
just saying.
I've been here since 2001. That's 17 years.
George II
(67,782 posts)Heddi
(18,312 posts)But I'm pretty sure that back prior to being banned numerous times, posters like bravenak, HMRJustin and others would frequently post screenshots of other people's posts. I'm sure your'e going to ask me to (ironically) post proof of this but I'm in finals week of grad school and I don't give one fuck about this other than to prove that your recollection of your years here was off by a spell. So I'm sure your recollection of their repeated behavior that got them banned (repeatedly) is going to be off as well.
Toodles. Make sure to post another bernie gif!
George II
(67,782 posts)Heddi
(18,312 posts)I didn't want to be rude. Also bmus says hi and laughs at the talk of all these socks
George II
(67,782 posts)...I suppose I should be honored, you have EIGHT posts in the last 90 days and half of them are directed toward me.
God Bless You!!
Heddi
(18,312 posts)I'm a full-time grad-student
I work 60 hours a week
I have better things to do than sit online and punch myself in the face with strangers arguing over the same things, day after day, hour after hour.
Get outside more...it'll do you a world of good.
I'll take my whatever posts in 90 days vs your 2200. I mean...., after a certain amount of time, doesn't it get *tiring*?
George II
(67,782 posts)...I'm a lot happier than you.
Good luck in your "finals", I'll include you in my prayers tonight.
Have a blessed day.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)little vaguery and really hone it down into a whole explanation as to your certainty about bmus? Sounds like a very productive break from your studies.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)pick one little thread to evaluate whether its about bmus?? LOL, so glad you took time away from your studies to catch this important development.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,345 posts)R B Garr
(16,993 posts)to all the anti-Democrat propaganda. An anti-Democrat ex-Republican like Cenk becomes an anti-Democrat progressive. His connections speak for themselves, including some $4 million funding from another Republican.
Bye indeed. lol
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,345 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,216 posts)No labels my behind, it is a RepubliCON front group trying to con some more fools.
George II
(67,782 posts)...BY THE SAME PERSON! They "detest each other"? Unless Cenk is a schizophrenic, I seriously doubt that he detests himself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Democrats
"Justice Democrats is an American progressive political action committee founded on January 23, 2017 by Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks, Kyle Kulinski of Secular Talk, and former leadership from the 2016 Bernie Sanders"
Celerity
(43,580 posts)I said it is ludicrous to say that Cenk/TYT/JD types would be in alliance with the centrist to moderately RW No Labels/Problem Solvers groups. That is what that poster was insinuating.
Those 2 groups (Cenk/JD types v Problem Solvers types) detest each other.
I was absolutely clear. Also, I am hardly so uninformed to not have thorough knowledge that Cenk/JD/TYT are all more or less one and the same in terms of positioning and what issues they advocate for, even if the interlocks are to varying degrees.
Sheesh
George II
(67,782 posts)Celerity
(43,580 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)You've made an entire stream of posts based on a lie.
The poster you keep quoting NEVER said the word Justice Democrats.
Cenk is not part of JD.
You knew that right? But his past is what's at issue.
You can drag all the screenshots from your data list on your targeted DU posters you want.
You have shifted this convo so far off the original post you keep referring to.
You accused the poster of a lot of things but Justice Democrats was brought into this thread by YOU.
Correct your posts.
Celerity
(43,580 posts)There was NO OTHER POSTER
I was referring to YOU and you alone the entire time
you replied to the OP with pure tosh here https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211469332#post1
wherein you tried ludicrously to link Cenk and Sarandon to Problem Solvers (a branch of No Labels) insinuating (falsely) that Cenk and Sarandon where in cahoots with the centrist Problem Solvers crew
when they (the OP maker) responded here https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211469332#post5
I replied (to the OP maker) that you were wrong and that YOU had used similar misframing before
again.. YOU were the one who tangentially injected Cenk and Saradon into this entire thread (on the VERY first reply to the OP), NOT ME
I, based off YOUR previous posts in other threads (which I showed) said that this attempt to misframe (by insinuating they, ie Cenk and Sarandon supported PS and thus the No Labels Lieberman/Republican backed centrist to RW crew) was ridiculous
those two groups (Cenk et al v PS/No Labels) DETEST each others' political stances
You HAVE previously conflated Cenk/TYT/JD
I did NOT make that up
I have shown this in my replies
you are trying to micro-parse words and order of posts in a futile attempt to try and discredit a totally legitimate rebuttal of your original reply
now you have, through a multiple number of replies, tried to spin it to an absolutely silly level of inanity, where you think there is a ANOTHER poster I am referencing in this
I am not nor did I respond about a third party, it is all on you
you keep ranting about Justice Democrats and how you never put Cenk and them together, and so I showed exactly where you did before, you made no separation before, now you claim 'OMG I (meaning YOU) never did!'
I should have also referenced Saradon in my very first post on this thread (as you tossed her in there on your reply number one) as well
you also tried to say my opinions are invalid because I have been here only five months and can string together logical thoughts complete with examples
YOU have been here TWO months!
its a chatboard! not a thesis paper on stochastic economic modelling, its not hard to type and think and post on a very basic level (mechanically wise)
you also accused me, outrageously of Doxxing you when all I did was QUOTE YOU from this very board
you are truly in the weeds
what bfd said is not true.
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)and see where, in fact, he was booted by the social democrats
"The Justice Democrats ousted Cenk Uygur, one of its founding board members and a creator of progressive online network The Young Turks, following the Thursday revelation that Uygur had authored sexist blogposts in the early 2000s"
https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_us_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181
Farmer-Rick
(10,216 posts)There are many Dems he supports. True he doesn't like them all.
George II
(67,782 posts)Response to George II (Reply #63)
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ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Must have gotten lost on his way to Free Republic or Breitbart!
still_one
(92,433 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)There's plenty of justified criticism to point at Sarandon, but us having pretty lousy conservadems in our ranks is not one of them. In fact, had we lost those seats to republicans in lieu of Sarandon's advocacy of green candidates, people would certainly be blaming her on that, and at least one could connect those dots. This on the other hand
is hardly Sarandon's doing.
Yeah, okay right... its the Sarandon's that went to bat for Lieberman. Wow....just fucking wow. You do know who did though right? You know who refused to even say who they'd support if he lost the Dem primary?
Also what? Cenk too? Why not throw all of the boogie men in there? How about some real ones? I'm sure Hitler and Stalin had something to do with it too.
Please, make a cohesive argument. This is like republicans making up the term Islamofascists
.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)than Hillary to win (as she voted for Stein). She's in the bring-on-the-revolution-then-it-will-get- better" club for idiots.
And after the election she doubled-down.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/26/susan-sarandon-i-thought-hillary-was-very-dangerous-if-shed-won-wed-be-at-war
Stein did make the difference. In the 3 critical states, there were enough Stein votes to have swung the election to Hillary.
Not exactly, but I dont mind that quote, she says. I did think she was very, very dangerous. We would still be fracking, we would be at war [if she was president]. It wouldnt be much smoother. Look what happened under Obama that we didnt notice.
George II
(67,782 posts)...claims that she was right. "Right" possibly is the correct word!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,600 posts)Debra Messing tweeted
"Oh yes, PLEASE lets give Trump CREDIT!
"I mean how else are you able to walk out on the street. Convince yourself that that this CATASTROPHE of a President who you said was better that HRC IS NOT ripping children away from parents seeking asylum, holding children INDEFINITELY in internment camps with their new policy, DESTROYING all attempts to protect our environment (yes the water you properted to care about), endangered animals, taking away womens ACCESS to health care and legal abortion, trying to block POC from Voting with extreme Judges who will support jerrymandering efforts, not to mention destroying ALL good will and allied relationships across the Globe. Oh, and lest you forget Syria, Crimea, and putting PRO-RUSSIA agenda BEFORE the United States best interests. YES, do go on.
Messing continued on her rant, telling Sarandon, with a hint of sarcasm, to go ahead and LAUD the effect Trump has had.
Out of DESPERATION & PANIC for the DESTRUCTION of the Soul of our country, Messing tweeted some more. But you dont want to look at THAT part of the equation. Because then youd have to admit you were dead WRONG running around bellowing that HRC was more dangerous than Trump. Only a self righteous, narcissist would continue to spout off and not in the face of Americans pain and agony be contrite and apologize for your part in this catastrophe.
---
Yay, Debra!
George II
(67,782 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:58 AM - Edit history (1)
that is kind of silly. Now, if Sarandon wants to pretend that by virtue of all this, we've actually gained ground in the right direction, regarding long-term impact, I'm skeptical and see no reason to believe that just because people realize now how bad Trump is.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)
claiming that Sarandon's purist approach to dems is somehow responsible for the conservadems who still hold their seats... revolting from the right? I appreciate that you felt the need to weigh in on why Sarandon is to blame for something, but the point of my comment was she isn't by virtue of the original poster hating her, responsible for everything. Maybe you could have considered that aspect of the exchange?
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)This has absolutely nothing to do with anyone on the left. Its only proof that some people on DU are so obsessed with re-litigating 2016, theyll stop at nothing to link their bogeymen like Sarandon and Stein to any threat, facts be damned. Next thing you know, theyll be accusing them of running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor...
Celerity
(43,580 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Actually, I saw one of her stand up specials once and it was pretty good tbh.
But on twitter...one of the very worst. And that is a tough contest to win.
George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)I saw one of her standup specials and I thought it was pretty good.
On twitter, however, she is absolutely terrible. One of the worst on there.
George II
(67,782 posts)...she's "one of the worst"?
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)she appears to be saying she is NOT saying AOC is a Russian agent.
Celerity
(43,580 posts)It is one of those old 'I am not saying your are wet, but wow, you sure are in the pool' projections.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)and I don't disagree. Doesn't mean she's a Russian agent, and the comedienne doesn't say she is.
Celerity
(43,580 posts)Simply stating that 'I am not calling you this' but then going on to add layer upon layer of inferences is exactly that
It is accusatory through the back-door
she makes sweeping generalisations and also uses false framing techniques
She can bash AOC and it is a great thing, but AOC simply sticking up for her own agenda is somehow bad and divisive. Its a 2-way street, but not in Kirkman's world. Her critique is legit and pure as driven snow, AOC and other's are tainted and designed to aid Putin. The Kirkman's of the world never argue over substance, they set a narrative then try use that as a sledgehammer.
False frame PLUS if you look at almost all the newly elected Democratic House members (and Senate) they mostly all ran campaigns that did NOT emphasise Trump/Russia, many were very open about that, many of the centrists
they ran on healthcare and pocketbook issues
I have watched dozens of interviews that back this up
it is simply inaccurate for her to single out AOC on that and try and infer that AOC is aiding Putin
MANY on here (DU) are calling for the anti-Pelosi people to be primaried. Well, who do you think the ones that AOC is talking about are? Yep, a huge overlap, as it is centrists, not liberal/progs who are calling for Pelosi out.
here Kirkman really gets loony, she says unity is actually playing into Putins hands:
Thinking that you have to shut up or youre not uniting is what Putin and his army want. They want you quiet. And the active measures talking points appeal to the good liberal in you.
she is arguing that not having a go at AOC is doing Putin's biding
Finally, Kirkman paints an ABSURD, over the top caricature of the leftish side of our party, amping up their so-called beliefs (and saying she was like that and thus using a rhetorical ploy of self-admittance and self-deprecation to make it look like her absurd claims are basically universal articles of faith on the left) to ridiculous levels (and basically, at subconscience levels, imply that people who believe even a scaled down (and thus much closer to the reality) version of these are Putin's tools):
that is a ludicrous summation of the vast majority of progressives
she is basically calling them cult members!
divisive much??????
The progressives and liberals are the ones most gun-ho to go after Trump/Putin and the ones supporting Pelosi. It's mostly the centrists that Kirkman supports who do not want this.
Maxine Waters wants to investigate Trump, but her party may resist
More moderate Democrats fear that oversight investigations will be a distraction or cause political blowback for the party.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211450676
Jen Kirkman has an out-there conspiracy theory about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Russia
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jen-kirkman-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/
Comedian Jen Kirkman is going viral for a baffling conspiracy theory about Democrats, Russia, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Over the weekend, Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), who made waves running on an unabashedly left-leaning platform, said she wanted to support more primary challengers to moderate Democrats. In a call with Justice Democrats, a group that supported progressives in 2018, Ocasio-Cortez said she was going to back and recruit more challengers to incumbents, according to the Intercept.
As the 2018 election showed, Democrats who are receiving challenges from the left can move moderate candidates to more left-leaning policies and platforms, instead of watching them scurry to the center to capture swing voters. But, what if the center is where Democrats should be, and any calls for things like abolishing ICE and Medicare-for-all are secretly exactly what the Russians want?
Allow comedian Kirkman to explain.
Over the past day, Kirkman, who has dropped her fair share of theories before, said she believes that Ocasio-Cortezs progressive platform is being used by Russian trolls to help divide the Democratic party. And that speaking out about progressive causes, while downplaying Russian election interference, is proof something is afoot.
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now to sum Kirkman's past work up (and this is getting pretty near to as divisive as one can get from her side
Link to tweet
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That is not the words of a good faith actor, those are hyper-divisive bombs, ironically the very thing she accuses AOC (and unknowingly many of the candidates she actually supported) of.
sheshe2
(83,940 posts)Enough said.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)just make up whatever shit you want and pretend that you can plug in names to any scandal or any opposition when it makes no bloody sense, and Goddammit, we should be above that. I can't believe you're posting to tell me Sarandon sucks so any lie we tell about her is totally fair. That's just tragic.
sheshe2
(83,940 posts)"pretend that you can plug in names to any scandal or any opposition"
"it makes no bloody sense, and Goddammit, we should be above that."
"I can't believe you're posting to tell me Sarandon sucks "
"so any lie we tell about her is totally fair. That's just tragic."
Hmmm.
All I said was: "she voted Stein. Enough said."
..
Backing away very slowly here.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:18 AM - Edit history (2)
It seemed to suggest, given the context, that it doesn't matter if you just make shit up that isn't true about her because of things that are true. "Enough said," kind of says it doesn't matter to you. It came across to me as... "We can believe what we want about her because she sucks."
I'm sorry, it wasn't enough said.
still_one
(92,433 posts)who encouraged people not to vote for the Democratic nominee.
While no doubt Saradon is not aligned with the R/W in anyway, she and the others who used media outlets to encourage people NOT to vote for the Democratic nominee, and say that the Democratic nominee was more dangerous than trump, can go f**k themselves.
I understand the frustration, but I really wish the Sarandon's and Stein's would be ignored. They do NOT deserve anyone's attention
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...nor does he support the Problem Solvers Caucus.
Hes to the left of those groups.
wryter2000
(46,083 posts)I don't for one moment believe this is "bipartisan." Republicans started this and have managed to pull in a few Democrats.
And who in hell ARE these Democrats? Their constituents need to be on the phone with them.
elfin
(6,262 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)dem4decades
(11,306 posts)Old Joe can fuck off.
ooky
(8,930 posts)and one of the traitors we can thank for the ACA not including a public option.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)wryter2000
(46,083 posts)Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.)
Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.)
Ami Bera (D-Calif.)
Jim Costa (D-Calif.)
Elizabeth Esty (D-Conn.)
Daniel Lipinski (D-Ill.)
Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.)
Rick Nolan (D-Minn.)
Tom O'Halleran (D-Ariz.)
Jimmy Panetta (D-Calif.)
Scott Peters (D-Calif.)
Bradley Schneider (D-Ill.)
Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.)
Darren Soto (D-Fla.)
Tom Suozzi (D-N.Y.)
Peter Welch (D-Vt.)
Only 9 of the above have said they won't support Pelosi. I don't know which 9. But if one of these is your congresscritter, you should be on the phone with them. I'm going to make an OP about this.
(Noting Sinema is in the Senate now.)
Enough of this crap.
Me.
(35,454 posts)wryter2000
(46,083 posts)I firmly believe they're being manipulated by Republicans. The Republicans know they're losing power, and they're doing everything they can to create chaos. What better way than to dump the most effective Speaker of the House we have?
erronis
(15,371 posts)He's my sole congress-thing and I'm not happy with his ambivalence. Either get behind the very effective current Speaker or get off the can.
dem4decades
(11,306 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)how rw radio pushes democrats to the right
there are a shitload of dem reps and senators who actually believe rw radio constituencies are legitimate - the local radio stations get talking points from the heritage foundation or the kremlin and they get blasted with calls on a particular issue - like caravans of ebola-carrying thugs from central america, etc
because liberals ignore talk radio they take it seriously as if it's legitimate, and these bothsiders have cred - what a load
then there are a few who use that coordinated bullshit, like republicans have been for 30 years, to enable them
because dems generally have no clue what talk radio does they get away with this crap.
if dems want to make sure the orange asshole doesn't wind up at mara lago in glorious retirement because a bunch or red/talk radio state blue dogs forced 'concerned ' compromise the left needs stop ignoring talk radio
pwb
(11,292 posts)All these groups are made up to divide the party and give a bad impression of democrats.
Me.
(35,454 posts)pwb
(11,292 posts)But you go ahead and be well informed of bullshit. I hate even responding and kicking this division crap up the page.
Me.
(35,454 posts)pwb
(11,292 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)But thanks for your concern
UTUSN
(70,755 posts)Not to mention that you and I have the same VN service medal.
DFW
(54,447 posts)It shows us how utterly TERRIFIED the Republicans are of Nancy Pelosi as Speaker, and thus proving what a wise choice it would be to elect her speaker again, which is what was going to happen anyway.
But this confirms how right that choice is. If it were someone that didn't strike fear into their hearts, they wouldn't have raised a finger or uttered a sound.
TheBlackAdder
(28,225 posts).
He made that bullshit statement that he could get votes for her, because she deserves it.
Call him on it. If she deserves it, she shouldn't have to ask. He should just be able to get everyone to support her.
.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:17 PM - Edit history (1)
Anyone threatening to align with the GOP is dead to me - might as well join the GOP.
The House is the one body of government controlled by Democrats. It's leadership, focus, rules, etc should be decided by those dedicated to Democrats and working from within the party.
Any Democrat siding with the Republicans to install a Republican speaker after what happened in this election is performing political suicide.
Democrats need to sort these things out within the party - not threats to join Republicans.
I'm up for a transition from Nancy in 2020 but garbage like this makes me want to retain her all the more because where these folks are trying to take the party isn't what got Democrats control of the House.
After what the GOP has done with the judges and the 2016 election, bipartisanship is dead. Republicans are either criminals or covering for them in my view. Why should Democrats consort with criminals?
erronis
(15,371 posts)We need to keep track of all the repugs, outright or masquerading as dems, and make sure their futures don't lie in politics or lobbying the government.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:59 PM - Edit history (1)
9 votes aren't enough to hold the process hostage.
There are a total of 435 seats in the House, which means you need 218 for a majority. Come January, the Dems will hold 234 seats.
Subtract 9, and you still have 225 -- which is still 17 more than than the 218 needed for a majority. NOTE: my math is obviously wrong - but I'm still not going to worry.
The Lieberman 9 can go pound sand.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)We had 197...added 39 = 236. 236-9= 225 -15 of the other group...well you can see the problem.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Still, I think most of that first group (I think it was 16) have switched to saying they'll vote for Pelosi.
I'm not going to worry about it, because I still think it's more media hype than anything else.
OnDoutside
(19,975 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)I don't believe they have said
OnDoutside
(19,975 posts)Pelosi can give them a few trinkets and then call their bluff.
Me.
(35,454 posts)check out CousinIt's post...link below
CousinIT
(9,261 posts)They can't vote for her indeed...
pecosbob
(7,545 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)UTUSN
(70,755 posts)**********QUOTE*********
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/whos-really-leading-the-democratic-rebellion-against-pelosi/
.... ... ideology is not driving this campaign, and this is no populist rebellion. In fact, its leaders have no discernible ideology at all.
Thats how corporate money rolls in the Democratic Party. It lays low, hides its true colors, and pretends it only wants to get things done.
The anti-Pelosi insurgency is not a movement. Its a cabal, orchestrated by the appropriately hashtagged #FiveWhiteGuys, a group of self-self-interested players with big money behind them. ....
...vague on the issues, big on cliches and platitudes, ... is the hallmark of centrism, the billionaire-funded political faction that serves its financial backers by selling themselves as non-ideological, technocratic architects of bipartisan consensus who can break the gridlock and solve problems.
For this crowd, solving problems always winds up meaning the same thing: cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and an unwarranted obsession with the federal deficit that alwaysjust accidentally, mind you!winds up helping corporations and the billionaire class. ....
...claims to be above parties and partisanshipwhich, in the end, is another way of saying its free of any principles except the interests of its paymasters. It often comes in the guise of patriotism, as when Seth Moulton says he places country over partya comment that, implicitly, is a deep insult to those who believe one partys proposals would serve the country better than the others.
The anti-Pelosi campaign is being supported by one of the mainstays of the corporate centrist worldthe cynical political ploy known as No Labels, which I wrote about in 2012, and its creation, the Problem Solvers Caucus. ... a guaranteed-employment plan for Republican and Democratic political hacks, ... ....
**********UNQUOTE********
Me.
(35,454 posts)THanks for the info
and where's the link to your post?
Edited to add link:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211468167#post31
blogslut
(38,019 posts)No Labels is just another front group for him.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11469502
uberblonde
(1,215 posts)When the Dems are in charge?
It then they want to be pals and work together.
Scruffy1
(3,257 posts)It's like these fools never learn. She's smarter and tougher than they are. One trip to her office and they willcome back with their tails hanging down.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)" partisan dysfunction"
Well fuck me.
It ain't no partisan dysfunction, it is fucking asshole republicans..
So stuff it No Labels.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...give us the wall, more tax cuts for the wealthy and promise not to impeach Trump regardless of Mueller's findings. Deal?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Or maybe people turned out in really high numbers because there are fucking Nazis in charge.
ooky
(8,930 posts)You really can't make this stuff up.
Where was this bipartisan group when the Republicans were drinking toasts to destroying American's health care in the White House Rose Garden? I'm tired of partisanship alright. Specifically, Republican partisanship. Fuck them and their bipartisan sheep suits.
DFW
(54,447 posts)When we're at the wrong end of a firing squad, they yell, "fire!"
When they're at the wrong end of a firing squad, they yell, "let's compromise!"
MFM008
(19,821 posts)Is what maggot and his humpers love.
Its the stuff they plan 2020 around.
Then they laugh.
George II
(67,782 posts)...from the original 48, and two didn't run again this year, so unless they recruit new members they're down to 35 or maybe less.
As for "No Labels", this line outs their intentions - "On June 21, 2018 No Labels announced The Speaker Project, which proposed using the election of a new speaker as leverage...."
Me.
(35,454 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)These GOP friendly dems need to be primaried from the left when the time comes.
Me.
(35,454 posts)than voting in those who will betray us