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Me.

(35,454 posts)
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 06:53 PM Nov 2018

ALERT: Another Group Attempting To Blackmail Nancy Pelosi

Pretty fed up with this, especially as they're working with the Cons. So where were these people in the last 2 years?

“WASHINGTON - A group of nine Democrats threatened Friday to withhold support for Nancy Pelosi's House Speaker bid, creating a potential roadblock for the California Democrat who has been lobbying for weeks to get her old role back.

Pelosi was already fighting for support from a group of 16 Democrats who penned a letter, declaring they wouldn't support the minority speaker and instead called for new leadership.

The new group of nine Democrats from the Problem Solvers Caucus threatened to withhold support for Pelosi until she agrees to a list of demands that includes House rule changes that could potentially allow for more bipartisan legislation to pass.“

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2094575002

“No Labels is an American political organization whose mission is to combat partisan dysfunction in politics and "usher in a new era of focused problem solving in American politics". [1] It promoted the creation of the House Problem Solvers Caucus which has 48 members, evenly divided between Republican and Democrats to forge bipartisan cooperation on key issues. [2] Since its creation in January 2017 [3] the Caucus has proposed or supported bipartisan proposals on healthcare, infrastructure, immigration and border security, and gun safety, and was a participant in budget negotiations.[4][5]

In 2018, No Labels introduced its New House, New Rules campaign, which proposes rule and procedural changes in the next Congress to make it easier for bipartisan ideas and legislation to get hearings and votes on the House floor.[6]

On June 21, 2018 No Labels announced The Speaker Project, which proposed using the election of a new speaker as leverage to make rule changes in order to give bipartisan ideas a fair hearing and "a fighting chance in the next Congress".[7] On July 25, the Problem Solvers Caucus released its Break The Gridlock proposals, which aimed at ensuring that legislation with broad bipartisan backing gets an airing in committees and on the floor. [8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Labels


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ALERT: Another Group Attempting To Blackmail Nancy Pelosi (Original Post) Me. Nov 2018 OP
This is the Revolution that Sarandon couldn't get enough of. Bfd Nov 2018 #1
Cenk...That Figures Me. Nov 2018 #5
there is zero chance that Justice Democrats and TYT are pro- No Labels/Problems Solvers Celerity Nov 2018 #35
No one mentioned Justice Dems. Cenk is not even part of the Pac anymore. Bfd Nov 2018 #42
you are the one that constantly links them up on other threads, not me Celerity Nov 2018 #45
And? Wtf does that have to do with the subject of this thread? Bfd Nov 2018 #54
I am not the one who constantly injects these memes, I think you are projecting Celerity Nov 2018 #59
+1 melman Nov 2018 #65
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #67
Interacting with you has helped train me Celerity Nov 2018 #70
Upon reflection (& a quick profile view,lol), I must admit that I find a TWO MONTH OLD poster (you) Celerity Nov 2018 #76
A bit creepy. As we used to say, "Dox much?" George II Nov 2018 #82
How is that doxxing? melman Nov 2018 #87
... lapucelle Nov 2018 #112
In other words, nobody mentioned Justice Democrats and/or TYT until you did. lapucelle Nov 2018 #71
it was (as I posted) from another thread where that poster did the same thing Celerity Nov 2018 #74
That is quite a BMUSing post! My goodness, full of false accusations. Bfd Nov 2018 #88
DOX??? what are you talking about? Celerity Nov 2018 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Bfd Nov 2018 #95
Lol. No. But she did have a hand in it. Just so you know. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #124
So the poster never mentioned Justice Democrats in this thread, lapucelle Nov 2018 #109
the poster I replied to injected Cenk and srandon and has a long history of always bringing Celerity Nov 2018 #110
Questioning the equation a person unaffiliated with a group with that group is not "microparsing". lapucelle Nov 2018 #111
that poster has a history of conflating Cenk and JD and TYT together Celerity Nov 2018 #113
All that post was saying is that AOC's district are Hillary R B Garr Nov 2018 #115
hello??? I am not trying to 'shut people up' Celerity Nov 2018 #117
You are the one who brought a whole tangent about R B Garr Nov 2018 #120
I don't keep track of other people's "histories". You were the one who conflated here. N/T lapucelle Nov 2018 #116
I wasn't keeping track, all I did was post direct previous replies to me from them Celerity Nov 2018 #118
In all my years at DU (a week shy of 15) I've only come across one person.... George II Nov 2018 #119
Ahh, R B Garr Nov 2018 #121
I am a gyazo user from my Skype usage, my groups uses it Celerity Nov 2018 #123
The original format was not an image. N/T lapucelle Nov 2018 #130
Why screen cap rather than post a link or excerpt? lapucelle Nov 2018 #125
It's gyazo. The user screen caps, the image is saved as a link, and then the user accesses the link lapucelle Nov 2018 #131
According to your profile Heddi Nov 2018 #133
Okay, so staying on topic, how many people have YOU seen post screen shots of other posts? George II Nov 2018 #134
Honestly, I really don't give a fuck Heddi Nov 2018 #135
If you "don't give a fuck", why did you comment in the first place? Just asking for a friend. George II Nov 2018 #136
Because you asked Heddi Nov 2018 #139
So, you research others' histories here and choose to comment on them..... George II Nov 2018 #140
So one isn't supposed to have a life outside of DU? Heddi Nov 2018 #143
Bless your heart, thanks for your concern about my well being, but I'm fine. From what I can see... George II Nov 2018 #145
It's amazing that you were able to pluck this one teeny R B Garr Nov 2018 #146
Who said anything about bmus?? You just randomly R B Garr Nov 2018 #144
Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #138
Thanks for the cogent reminders about Cenk Uyger's connections R B Garr Nov 2018 #114
'BYE' melman Nov 2018 #132
. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #147
Thanks for setting the record straight Celerity. Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 #58
Are you serious? You should look into their backgrounds...TYT and Justice Democrats were founded... George II Nov 2018 #85
what???? you utterly misread what I typed Celerity Nov 2018 #89
I guess I misread that, sorry! George II Nov 2018 #91
Totally ok! I myself have done it many times. Hugz Celerity Nov 2018 #93
+1,000,000 George II Nov 2018 #94
The poster NEVER mentioned JDems. Stop including that like it is truth. Bfd Nov 2018 #92
this is venturing into Alice Through the Looking Glass level of dross Celerity Nov 2018 #96
no it doesn't KayF Nov 2018 #38
I'm sure Russians are involved somewhere. George II Nov 2018 #43
Cenk is no friend of Democrats, that's for sure. George II Nov 2018 #48
I Agree Me. Nov 2018 #51
I disagree Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 #60
I doubt many "Dems" appreciate being supported by a guy who solicited money from Buddy Roehmer. George II Nov 2018 #63
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #68
. ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #72
That was quick! George II Nov 2018 #73
no he isn't still_one Nov 2018 #98
That doesn't make any sense. Sarandon didn't want bipartisanship with Trump or Republicans. JCanete Nov 2018 #11
As you know, Sarandon said before the election that it would be better for Trump pnwmom Nov 2018 #25
She was rooting for trump ever since the Convention ended. And she STILL, as you point out.. George II Nov 2018 #47
Debra Messing ripped Sarandon for claiming Trump was responsible for the Dems midterm successes. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2018 #66
Bazinga! George II Nov 2018 #77
It may not be encouraging, but we all know Trump was a big part of our midterm successes. Denying JCanete Nov 2018 #103
what does any of that argument, which is an entirely separate argument, have to do with JCanete Nov 2018 #105
Bingo! regnaD kciN Nov 2018 #37
+1 melman Nov 2018 #50
this is not from DU at all (thank god) but here is some hack comedian saying AOC is a Russian puppet Celerity Nov 2018 #61
Kirkman is the worst melman Nov 2018 #64
Kirkman is a funny, talented comedian. Love her! Check out her twitter feed. George II Nov 2018 #81
As I said melman Nov 2018 #84
As I said (never saw here live or on television), she's very good on twitter. Why do you think... George II Nov 2018 #86
so what am I missing qazplm135 Nov 2018 #79
read the tweet string Celerity Nov 2018 #80
she says she doesn't like her associations with certain folks qazplm135 Nov 2018 #99
we must be reading different tweets Celerity Nov 2018 #102
She voted Stein. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #83
If you're making a reasonable point having to do with her voting Stein. YOu can't JCanete Nov 2018 #104
You got all that out of the five words I posted? sheshe2 Nov 2018 #141
why did that belong where you posted it? How did that have to do with what my post was about? JCanete Nov 2018 #142
You are right, there is plenty of justifed criticism to detest Sarandon, and for that matter anyone still_one Nov 2018 #97
Cenk Uygur doesn't support No Labels Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #106
This has the stench of Republicans all over it wryter2000 Nov 2018 #2
They aren't Democrats - Lieberman certainly isn't. nt elfin Nov 2018 #4
He's not really a D. He's a convenient I Bfd Nov 2018 #14
Lieberman was positioning himself as an adviser to the Republican candidate for Gov in CT. dem4decades Nov 2018 #56
least of all Lieberman, who is a health insurance industry shill ooky Nov 2018 #100
It's a republican front underthematrix Nov 2018 #3
Here are the dems in this caucus wryter2000 Nov 2018 #6
Aren't Schrader & Welch Also Part Of The Gang Of 16? Me. Nov 2018 #8
That I don't know wryter2000 Nov 2018 #9
Welch is part of the 16 but said he wouldn't support this effort. erronis Nov 2018 #46
Esty is gone. dem4decades Nov 2018 #55
one of the big problems democrats continue to ignore is certainot Nov 2018 #137
Why even post this crap? pwb Nov 2018 #7
Ignorance Isn't Bliss Me. Nov 2018 #12
I will ignore this bliss. pwb Nov 2018 #17
Thank Goodness The Dems Don't Have To Depend On You Me. Nov 2018 #18
Yea your really helping the cause. pwb Nov 2018 #20
And They're Voting Members Of The Caucus? Me. Nov 2018 #22
Since you posted in my thread & now here I feel free to object to your tone aimed at fellow DUers. UTUSN Nov 2018 #34
... Me. Nov 2018 #36
Don't be fooled, people, this is useful to know DFW Nov 2018 #10
That's why Trump should be called on his support. I bet he can't get one Rep to support Pelosi. TheBlackAdder Nov 2018 #15
Nancy Pelosi is just a pinata to rally voters to hate Jarqui Nov 2018 #33
+1, again. Let's get our job done without allowing repugs to foul the nest. erronis Nov 2018 #52
Fuck 'em. It's just more bullshit being pushed by a media that wants to see Dem infighting. scarletwoman Nov 2018 #13
Yup the Leiberman 9. Bfd Nov 2018 #16
The Problem Is ...I Think Your Math Isn't Quite Right Me. Nov 2018 #19
Ack! You're right! I'm off by 10 - duh! scarletwoman Nov 2018 #24
Are you saying all/any of those will vote for McCarthy ? OnDoutside Nov 2018 #26
THat Will Be The Question Won't It? Me. Nov 2018 #27
In light of the level of Dem activism during the midterms, they'd be "brave" to try it. I reckon OnDoutside Nov 2018 #29
Right NOw They're Saying They Can't Vote For Her Me. Nov 2018 #30
Some tweets I posted about that... CousinIT Nov 2018 #21
Thank you. pwb Nov 2018 #23
Thank You Me. Nov 2018 #31
Like I posted elsewhere...more undercover Reaganista bullshit. pecosbob Nov 2018 #28
We need a new label for those dem 9's empedocles Nov 2018 #32
You mean, "Republicans"...? regnaD kciN Nov 2018 #44
Here's a definitive article from TruthDig (courtesy DUer Rainy) - UTUSN Nov 2018 #39
Wouldn't You Just Know Me. Nov 2018 #41
All funded by Pete Peterson blogslut Nov 2018 #40
Notice they only want to give the minority a veto... uberblonde Nov 2018 #49
Exactly Me. Nov 2018 #53
Nancy can handle them. Scruffy1 Nov 2018 #57
"...... whose mission is to combat partisan dysfunction in politics..." pangaia Nov 2018 #62
The Democrats version of the tea party...great. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #69
Bi-partisan: we'll consider not slashing the social safety net if you... Garrett78 Nov 2018 #75
Fucking morons. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #78
Yeah, now that they've lost the House they think the time is right for some bipartisanship. ooky Nov 2018 #101
Yeah, funny thing about that DFW Nov 2018 #107
This infighting MFM008 Nov 2018 #108
Looks like the "Problem Solvers Caucus" is losing its aura - it is down to 37 members... George II Nov 2018 #122
Leverage...The Polite Term For Blackmail Me. Nov 2018 #126
Rayguns democrats strike again workinclasszero Nov 2018 #127
Surely We Can Do Better Me. Nov 2018 #128
+1 workinclasszero Nov 2018 #129
 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
1. This is the Revolution that Sarandon couldn't get enough of.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 06:58 PM
Nov 2018

Do we all 'get it' yet?

Problem Solvers
No Labels
. *No Labels - Founders/Nancy Jacobson; Tom Davis (R), Leader/Joe Lieberman (I/D)
No Labels - Wikipedia
Wikipedia › wiki › No_Labels

No Labels is an American political organization whose mission is to combat partisan dysfunction in politics and "usher in a new era of ...

Founders: Nancy Jacobson; Tom Davis (R)

National Leader: Joe Lieberman (I/D)

Legal status: 501(c)(4)

Motto: Stop fighting, start fixing


Talk about Establishment

There is a connection to Cenk in this too, btw.

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
35. there is zero chance that Justice Democrats and TYT are pro- No Labels/Problems Solvers
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:21 PM
Nov 2018

Those 2 sides detest each other.

Btw, I posted on this very thing 10 days ago (the fact it is the centrists and No Labels-Problem Solvers types going after Pelosi)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211436839


Finally

This 'Cenk is for the center right Lieberman crew' ludicrous comment by that poster is par for the course with them. The same poster continually slanders and smears AOC, was one of those who tried to misrepresent her as being anti Pelosi, back during that first day of orientation and the green activists near her office. They (the poster) even used RW-style guilt-by-association to try and frame her as some sort of Farrakhan groupie. They are trying to feed you disinfo.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11435969






 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
42. No one mentioned Justice Dems. Cenk is not even part of the Pac anymore.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:02 PM
Nov 2018

He was asked to leave the Pac because of his sexual bias.

This is about Cenk & his past. Justice Dems was never mentioned.
So hold your rage targeted at those who do point out truths that you don't want to hear.

Stop makeing stuff up & puttung words in a post that were never ever written.

Cenk has a past long before he formed JD & He's no longer a part of them.

No where in the post you are trashing with false accusations was Justice Democrats ever mentioned.



Celerity

(43,580 posts)
45. you are the one that constantly links them up on other threads, not me
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:08 PM
Nov 2018



Not just you by the way, to be fair, there is small cadre of others too. They inject Cenk and JD and TYT into almost any thread topic.
 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
54. And? Wtf does that have to do with the subject of this thread?
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:17 PM
Nov 2018

Stop making assumptions of other posters.

JUSTICE DEMS WERE NEVER MENTIONED TILL YOU BROUGHT IT INTO THE CONVO AS AN ATTACK ON A POST THAT NEVER EVER MENTIONED THE WORDS JUSTICE DEMS.

Stop it.
Cenk's past goes far before JDems ever existed.

You laid down a false accusation with no merit at all.
Justice Dems was NEVER MENTIONED.
Stop reading into a post what is not even there.

That might help.

IGNORE. I have no reason to ever have a convo with you.
Stop starting shit with posters when there is no reason to.
The only one bringing JDems into the convo was YOU.
Poster BFD Never mentioned JDems. You did.


BYE



Celerity

(43,580 posts)
59. I am not the one who constantly injects these memes, I think you are projecting
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:29 PM
Nov 2018

I only intervene when I see falsities being posited, and if you look downthread, I am not the only one who sees this.

YOU are the one who not only pushed Cenk (and Sarandon, lol, as if she is a Lieberman fangirl) into this, but then ridiculously tried to link him as some sort of support mechanism for a bunch of centrist, conservadems (not my word, I admit I have lifted it from many other posters here, but it seems apropos) who work hand in glove with Republicans to toss spanners into the works.

here are your (NOT mine) words from this very thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211469332#post1



cheers

Response to Celerity (Reply #59)

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
70. Interacting with you has helped train me
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:06 PM
Nov 2018

As for some special ninja skills I supposedly have, it's called read, search, snapshot, then present it in a cogent and properly framed argument.

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
76. Upon reflection (& a quick profile view,lol), I must admit that I find a TWO MONTH OLD poster (you)
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:47 PM
Nov 2018

trying to insinuate anything nefarious in regards to my skill-set versus longevity curious indeed when I have been here almost 3 months LONGER than you.

lapucelle

(18,356 posts)
71. In other words, nobody mentioned Justice Democrats and/or TYT until you did.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:12 PM
Nov 2018


No mention of JD or TYT there. Does this mean "a falsity is being posited"?

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
74. it was (as I posted) from another thread where that poster did the same thing
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:38 PM
Nov 2018

Its all the same memes, they inject one or many (all interconnected and interchanged) of the same pantomime villains in non germane ways in a multiplicity of OP's.

Cenk is almost always (from what I have read here over the past few months) tossed in with JD and TYT, etc. It is exactly what the poster did in my historical evidentiary snapshot.

In this case, the interjection (by the poster, NOT me) it was in the very FIRST reply to the OP.

Cenk was and is absolutely tangential to an OP about the Problem Solvers Caucus and their anti-Pelosi rearguard actions, PS is a catspaw for the overarching centrist to centre right No Labels Lieberman/Republican-backed (with some Democratic members, obviously as well) groups. I also laid out those connections as well in one of my replies above.

IMHO it was a clear attempt to muddy the water and also to falsely tie elements who are absolutely AGAINST these conservadems to this plot to stop Pelosi. This is far from the first time this has occurred, thus my documentation of past examples.

The fact that THIS time they left out JD (but added in a Sarandon twist) is hardly an invalidation of anything that I laid out when viewing the general points I was making, those being it is utter tosh to try and paint this group (Problem Solvers) as some sort of ally and/or stalking-horse for more leftish/progressive (pick whatever adjective, kind or unkind, you desire) groups.

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
88. That is quite a BMUSing post! My goodness, full of false accusations.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:57 PM
Nov 2018

It's a damned good DOXing of another poster who doesn't align with the likes of another.

Didn't know that was allowed on DU.

Hmm

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
90. DOX??? what are you talking about?
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:01 AM
Nov 2018

You obviously do not have a clue what 'doxing is'. Quoting your own words YOU yourself typed from an ANONYMOUS account back to you or others is NOT doxxing, lol

LUDICROUS!!

Response to Celerity (Reply #90)

lapucelle

(18,356 posts)
109. So the poster never mentioned Justice Democrats in this thread,
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 08:49 AM
Nov 2018

and someone else "interjected" them assuming that JD and Cenk are synonymous?

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
110. the poster I replied to injected Cenk and srandon and has a long history of always bringing
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:09 AM
Nov 2018

the entire (sometimes partial) Cenk/TYT/JD meme up into any OP subject, AS I SHOWED

they are just trying to now micro parse out and spin because I said JD and not Cenk on one of my replies

which I instantly explained ( AND SHOWED them uing and conflated Cenk and JD, etc etc)

and they then went into bizarro world and and invented some mysterious 3rd person who they keep referring to, plus accused me of DOXXING them! (another WTF) because I quoted them from this site

LOLOL

plus tried to say I was not reputable because i have only been here for 5 months, BUT they have only been here for TWO months!!

it's all good though

they have been having a go at me on multiple threads for over a week (not every day, to be fair)

water off a ducks back for me

cheers

lapucelle

(18,356 posts)
111. Questioning the equation a person unaffiliated with a group with that group is not "microparsing".
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:21 AM
Nov 2018

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
113. that poster has a history of conflating Cenk and JD and TYT together
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 10:01 AM
Nov 2018

and tossing them in randomly into threads with flat out incorrect framing

I showed an example of that

and the entire point

was that they are ridiculous (and this is the entire crux of the biscuit) to imply that Cenk and Sarandon are somehow working with or supporting conservadems (in this cause Problem Solvers who are a offshoot of No Labels, a Lieberman and RW rethug-backed group)

Cenk and Sarandon despise the RW and centrist factions

THAT was the entire point

I was NOT the one who pushed that meme

the poster did on the VERY FIRST reply to the entire OP

it is not only factually wrong (what they said) but Cenk and Sarandon have ZERO to do with thsi entire threads subject

I will not be sidetracked off my original intent to show that all

in my very first post

i specifically DID mention that they said Cenk



and when the poster implied that they had never mentioned Cenk and JD and inter cnanged them before

I showed again that THAT was also untrue

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11435969


RIGHT HERE



that exact same poster used the term

a Cenk Yuger Justice democrat. Cenk, a friend of Farrankahn' groupies

Sausour & Mallory.

We expected no less.

Will be interesting when its time to convince her district back home to vote her back in again.
Her record will speak for itself.
They are Pelosi & Hillary Democrats, not Cenk democrats.



THAT particular post,right above, btw, was a despicable smear job on AOC trying to paint her as some Farrakhan flunkie via guilt-by-association tactics so prevalent on the RW


so I stand by all I said

I should have put CENK in at the top (subject) and not the MIDDLE (which I did do, I put it in the body) of my very first reply on this OP

if that was confusing I do apologise, I am sorry

but my entire thrust of showing a false projection (false being that Cenk and Sarandon are allies of Problem Solvers) was entirely correct

I see Cenk/TYT/JD etc etc spit out over and over and over, all tossed together, with little to no differentiation all the time on a myriad number of threads

I showed an example just now of THE VERY same poster doing it before


I am definitely NOT a Sarandon fan and barely watch Cenk, but ffs, it is just crazy how often they (and almost always also JD and TYT quickly behind) get dumped into so many non germane threads and just stir the pot in another direction



bottom line:

This thread was an anti Problem Solvers thread, so the poster (with the very FIRST reply to the entire OP) attempted to conflate Cenk/Sarandon with another NON-RELATED group (Problem Solvers) who was catching shade, done just to continue the pile on and misframing that has been going on for at least the last 10 days (when the whole AOC misframe (ie. AOC was there to protest AGAINST and to try and take down Pelosi, which was literally the EXACT opposite of the truth!) kicked off (and which is where I first butted heads with poster we have now been discussing for far too many posts)

R B Garr

(16,993 posts)
115. All that post was saying is that AOC's district are Hillary
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 10:34 AM
Nov 2018

Democrats. That type of analysis is used pervasively if you watch the news — which districts went for Hillary and whether they will represent the blue wave. You are the one on yet another tangent trying to shut people up about ex-Republicans trying to cause havoc between Democrats. Not going to happen.

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
117. hello??? I am not trying to 'shut people up'
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:08 AM
Nov 2018

I am against Problem Solvers and what they are doing to Pelosi

this OP was not mine but I agree with it

Problem Solvers have done quite well on their own alienating most (that I see) on this board

THEY (PS) are the ones causing havoc and, btw their actual elected Democratic members are not ex Republicans (which you just said), nor are the other non-Problem Solver elected House members postering against Pelosi (Spahnberger for instance, a brand new member, or Conor Lamb or Max Rose, etc)

Problem Solvers ARE also full of actual real elected Rethugs as well, many of whom vote upwards of 90-97% with Trump and use PS as cover for fake bi-partisanship claims.

LOL Do you also (also always did?) think Cenk is working with Problem Solvers OR you are saying he is the one going around making them go off on Pelosi

that is just simply not true, its tosh

this is a centrist revolt

and that post from the other poster (if you meant the one I just snap-shotted to you on my last reply) was FAR from just saying something about AOC's district being Hillary Democrats

it specifically misled and said AOC was protesting against Pelosi (a false meme, not true at all) a divisive attack, I might add

and it also attempted to smear her as a Farrakhan crony via guilt-by-association

R B Garr

(16,993 posts)
120. You are the one who brought a whole tangent about
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:22 AM
Nov 2018

nothing. You pulled the same stunt on me before, welcome back as you were making a comment I made to be about AOC and your insinuations were false and absurd. You are the one all over the road here. The post you linked to was basically commentary about the Democrats in AOC’s district. If that is related to Justice Democrats then that is a known fact — that is reality. We also know who founded Justice Democrats — an “ex-Republican” — known fact. Your tangents are not going to change known facts.

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
118. I wasn't keeping track, all I did was post direct previous replies to me from them
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:09 AM
Nov 2018

or that I jnitially used to engage with them in previous discussions

It's not rocket science

George II

(67,782 posts)
119. In all my years at DU (a week shy of 15) I've only come across one person....
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:18 AM
Nov 2018

....who posted screen shots of others' posts.

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
123. I am a gyazo user from my Skype usage, my groups uses it
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:27 AM
Nov 2018

a massive amount. Its so easy to do and saves time.
It is free and super user friendly.

Give it a try. Its so good for posting things in their original format.

https://gyazo.com/



lapucelle

(18,356 posts)
125. Why screen cap rather than post a link or excerpt?
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:42 AM
Nov 2018

It seems like a lot of work, unless one is compiling some sort of file which, of course, is unlikely.


lapucelle

(18,356 posts)
131. It's gyazo. The user screen caps, the image is saved as a link, and then the user accesses the link
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:27 PM
Nov 2018

to look through and find the correct png file, and then posts the image.

The disadvantage, of course, is that with an image rather than a direct link, it's difficult to evaluate the context. It takes more steps than simply copying and pasting an excerpt or a link, but it does seem like a convenient way to keep files.

Here's a test image.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
133. According to your profile
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:16 PM
Nov 2018

you've been here since 2005. That makes 13 years, not 15.

just saying.

I've been here since 2001. That's 17 years.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
135. Honestly, I really don't give a fuck
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:25 PM
Nov 2018

But I'm pretty sure that back prior to being banned numerous times, posters like bravenak, HMRJustin and others would frequently post screenshots of other people's posts. I'm sure your'e going to ask me to (ironically) post proof of this but I'm in finals week of grad school and I don't give one fuck about this other than to prove that your recollection of your years here was off by a spell. So I'm sure your recollection of their repeated behavior that got them banned (repeatedly) is going to be off as well.

Toodles. Make sure to post another bernie gif!

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
139. Because you asked
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:42 PM
Nov 2018

I didn't want to be rude. Also bmus says hi and laughs at the talk of all these socks

George II

(67,782 posts)
140. So, you research others' histories here and choose to comment on them.....
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:57 PM
Nov 2018

...I suppose I should be honored, you have EIGHT posts in the last 90 days and half of them are directed toward me.


God Bless You!!



Heddi

(18,312 posts)
143. So one isn't supposed to have a life outside of DU?
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 09:40 AM
Nov 2018

I'm a full-time grad-student
I work 60 hours a week
I have better things to do than sit online and punch myself in the face with strangers arguing over the same things, day after day, hour after hour.

Get outside more...it'll do you a world of good.

I'll take my whatever posts in 90 days vs your 2200. I mean...., after a certain amount of time, doesn't it get *tiring*?

George II

(67,782 posts)
145. Bless your heart, thanks for your concern about my well being, but I'm fine. From what I can see...
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:50 AM
Nov 2018

...I'm a lot happier than you.

Good luck in your "finals", I'll include you in my prayers tonight.

Have a blessed day.

R B Garr

(16,993 posts)
146. It's amazing that you were able to pluck this one teeny
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:54 AM
Nov 2018

little vaguery and really hone it down into a whole explanation as to your certainty about “bmus”? Sounds like a very productive break from your studies.

R B Garr

(16,993 posts)
144. Who said anything about bmus?? You just randomly
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:48 AM
Nov 2018

pick one little thread to evaluate whether it’s about bmus?? LOL, so glad you took time away from your studies to catch this important development.

R B Garr

(16,993 posts)
114. Thanks for the cogent reminders about Cenk Uyger's connections
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 10:16 AM
Nov 2018

to all the anti-Democrat propaganda. An anti-Democrat ex-Republican like Cenk becomes an anti-Democrat “progressive”. His connections speak for themselves, including some $4 million funding from another Republican.

Farmer-Rick

(10,216 posts)
58. Thanks for setting the record straight Celerity.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:29 PM
Nov 2018

No labels my behind, it is a RepubliCON front group trying to con some more fools.

George II

(67,782 posts)
85. Are you serious? You should look into their backgrounds...TYT and Justice Democrats were founded...
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:46 PM
Nov 2018

...BY THE SAME PERSON! They "detest each other"? Unless Cenk is a schizophrenic, I seriously doubt that he detests himself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Democrats

"Justice Democrats is an American progressive political action committee founded on January 23, 2017 by Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks, Kyle Kulinski of Secular Talk, and former leadership from the 2016 Bernie Sanders"

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
89. what???? you utterly misread what I typed
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:58 PM
Nov 2018

I said it is ludicrous to say that Cenk/TYT/JD types would be in alliance with the centrist to moderately RW No Labels/Problem Solvers groups. That is what that poster was insinuating.

Those 2 groups (Cenk/JD types v Problem Solvers types) detest each other.

I was absolutely clear. Also, I am hardly so uninformed to not have thorough knowledge that Cenk/JD/TYT are all more or less one and the same in terms of positioning and what issues they advocate for, even if the interlocks are to varying degrees.



Sheesh

 

Bfd

(1,406 posts)
92. The poster NEVER mentioned JDems. Stop including that like it is truth.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:05 AM
Nov 2018

You've made an entire stream of posts based on a lie.
The poster you keep quoting NEVER said the word Justice Democrats.
Cenk is not part of JD.
You knew that right? But his past is what's at issue.
You can drag all the screenshots from your data list on your targeted DU posters you want.

You have shifted this convo so far off the original post you keep referring to.

You accused the poster of a lot of things but Justice Democrats was brought into this thread by YOU.

Correct your posts.

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
96. this is venturing into Alice Through the Looking Glass level of dross
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:50 AM
Nov 2018

There was NO OTHER POSTER

I was referring to YOU and you alone the entire time

you replied to the OP with pure tosh here https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211469332#post1

wherein you tried ludicrously to link Cenk and Sarandon to Problem Solvers (a branch of No Labels) insinuating (falsely) that Cenk and Sarandon where in cahoots with the centrist Problem Solvers crew

when they (the OP maker) responded here https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211469332#post5

I replied (to the OP maker) that you were wrong and that YOU had used similar misframing before

again.. YOU were the one who tangentially injected Cenk and Saradon into this entire thread (on the VERY first reply to the OP), NOT ME

I, based off YOUR previous posts in other threads (which I showed) said that this attempt to misframe (by insinuating they, ie Cenk and Sarandon supported PS and thus the No Labels Lieberman/Republican backed centrist to RW crew) was ridiculous

those two groups (Cenk et al v PS/No Labels) DETEST each others' political stances

You HAVE previously conflated Cenk/TYT/JD

I did NOT make that up

I have shown this in my replies

you are trying to micro-parse words and order of posts in a futile attempt to try and discredit a totally legitimate rebuttal of your original reply

now you have, through a multiple number of replies, tried to spin it to an absolutely silly level of inanity, where you think there is a ANOTHER poster I am referencing in this

I am not nor did I respond about a third party, it is all on you

you keep ranting about Justice Democrats and how you never put Cenk and them together, and so I showed exactly where you did before, you made no separation before, now you claim 'OMG I (meaning YOU) never did!'

I should have also referenced Saradon in my very first post on this thread (as you tossed her in there on your reply number one) as well

you also tried to say my opinions are invalid because I have been here only five months and can string together logical thoughts complete with examples

YOU have been here TWO months!

its a chatboard! not a thesis paper on stochastic economic modelling, its not hard to type and think and post on a very basic level (mechanically wise)

you also accused me, outrageously of Doxxing you when all I did was QUOTE YOU from this very board

you are truly in the weeds



Me.

(35,454 posts)
51. I Agree
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:16 PM
Nov 2018

and see where, in fact, he was booted by the social democrats

"The Justice Democrats ousted Cenk Uygur, one of its founding board members and a creator of progressive online network The Young Turks, following the Thursday revelation that Uygur had authored sexist blogposts in the early 2000s"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_us_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181

Response to George II (Reply #63)

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
11. That doesn't make any sense. Sarandon didn't want bipartisanship with Trump or Republicans.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:14 PM
Nov 2018

There's plenty of justified criticism to point at Sarandon, but us having pretty lousy conservadems in our ranks is not one of them. In fact, had we lost those seats to republicans in lieu of Sarandon's advocacy of green candidates, people would certainly be blaming her on that, and at least one could connect those dots. This on the other hand
is hardly Sarandon's doing.

Yeah, okay right... its the Sarandon's that went to bat for Lieberman. Wow....just fucking wow. You do know who did though right? You know who refused to even say who they'd support if he lost the Dem primary?

Also what? Cenk too? Why not throw all of the boogie men in there? How about some real ones? I'm sure Hitler and Stalin had something to do with it too.

Please, make a cohesive argument. This is like republicans making up the term Islamofascists….

pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
25. As you know, Sarandon said before the election that it would be better for Trump
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:47 PM
Nov 2018

than Hillary to win (as she voted for Stein). She's in the bring-on-the-revolution-then-it-will-get- better" club for idiots.

And after the election she doubled-down.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/26/susan-sarandon-i-thought-hillary-was-very-dangerous-if-shed-won-wed-be-at-war

“I didn’t advocate people voting for anything. I said get your information, I’m going to vote for change, because I was hoping that Stein was going to get whatever percentage she needed – but I knew she wasn’t going to make the difference in the election.”


Stein did make the difference. In the 3 critical states, there were enough Stein votes to have swung the election to Hillary.

Did she really say that Hillary was more dangerous than Trump?

“Not exactly, but I don’t mind that quote,” she says. “I did think she was very, very dangerous. We would still be fracking, we would be at war [if she was president]. It wouldn’t be much smoother. Look what happened under Obama that we didn’t notice.”

George II

(67,782 posts)
47. She was rooting for trump ever since the Convention ended. And she STILL, as you point out..
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:12 PM
Nov 2018

...claims that she was right. "Right" possibly is the correct word!

66. Debra Messing ripped Sarandon for claiming Trump was responsible for the Dems midterm successes.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:56 PM
Nov 2018
Washington Post

Debra Messing tweeted

"Oh yes, PLEASE let’s give Trump CREDIT!

"I mean how else are you able to walk out on the street. Convince yourself that that this CATASTROPHE of a President who you said was better that HRC IS NOT ripping children away from parents seeking asylum, holding children INDEFINITELY in internment camps with their new policy, DESTROYING all attempts to protect our environment (yes the water you properted to care about), endangered animals, taking away women’s ACCESS to health care and legal abortion, trying to block POC from Voting with extreme Judges who will support jerrymandering efforts, not to mention destroying ALL good will and allied relationships across the Globe. Oh, and lest you forget Syria, Crimea, and putting PRO-RUSSIA agenda BEFORE the United States best interests. YES, do go on.”

Messing continued on her rant, telling Sarandon, with a hint of sarcasm, to go ahead and “LAUD the effect Trump has had.”

“Out of DESPERATION & PANIC for the DESTRUCTION of the Soul of our country,” Messing tweeted some more. “But you don’t want to look at THAT part of the equation. Because then you’d have to admit you were dead WRONG running around bellowing that HRC was more dangerous than Trump. Only a self righteous, narcissist would continue to spout off and not — in the face of Americans’ pain and agony — be contrite and apologize for your part in this catastrophe.”

---

Yay, Debra!

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
103. It may not be encouraging, but we all know Trump was a big part of our midterm successes. Denying
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:39 AM
Nov 2018

Last edited Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:58 AM - Edit history (1)

that is kind of silly. Now, if Sarandon wants to pretend that by virtue of all this, we've actually gained ground in the right direction, regarding long-term impact, I'm skeptical and see no reason to believe that just because people realize now how bad Trump is.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
105. what does any of that argument, which is an entirely separate argument, have to do with
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:44 AM
Nov 2018

Last edited Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:17 PM - Edit history (1)

claiming that Sarandon's purist approach to dems is somehow responsible for the conservadems who still hold their seats... revolting from the right? I appreciate that you felt the need to weigh in on why Sarandon is to blame for something, but the point of my comment was she isn't by virtue of the original poster hating her, responsible for everything. Maybe you could have considered that aspect of the exchange?

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
37. Bingo!
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:26 PM
Nov 2018

This has absolutely nothing to do with anyone on the left. It’s only proof that some people on DU are so obsessed with re-litigating 2016, they’ll stop at nothing to link their bogeymen like Sarandon and Stein to any threat, facts be damned. Next thing you know, they’ll be accusing them of running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor...

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
61. this is not from DU at all (thank god) but here is some hack comedian saying AOC is a Russian puppet
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:38 PM
Nov 2018

Her name is Jen Kirkman


 

melman

(7,681 posts)
64. Kirkman is the worst
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:54 PM
Nov 2018

Actually, I saw one of her stand up specials once and it was pretty good tbh.

But on twitter...one of the very worst. And that is a tough contest to win.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
84. As I said
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:45 PM
Nov 2018

I saw one of her standup specials and I thought it was pretty good.

On twitter, however, she is absolutely terrible. One of the worst on there.

George II

(67,782 posts)
86. As I said (never saw here live or on television), she's very good on twitter. Why do you think...
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:47 PM
Nov 2018

...she's "one of the worst"?

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
80. read the tweet string
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:06 PM
Nov 2018

It is one of those old 'I am not saying your are wet, but wow, you sure are in the pool' projections.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
99. she says she doesn't like her associations with certain folks
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:29 AM
Nov 2018

and I don't disagree. Doesn't mean she's a Russian agent, and the comedienne doesn't say she is.

Celerity

(43,580 posts)
102. we must be reading different tweets
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:34 AM
Nov 2018

Simply stating that 'I am not calling you this' but then going on to add layer upon layer of inferences is exactly that

It is accusatory through the back-door

she makes sweeping generalisations and also uses false framing techniques

She can bash AOC and it is a great thing, but AOC simply sticking up for her own agenda is somehow bad and divisive. Its a 2-way street, but not in Kirkman's world. Her critique is legit and pure as driven snow, AOC and other's are tainted and designed to aid Putin. The Kirkman's of the world never argue over substance, they set a narrative then try use that as a sledgehammer.

How excited Putin must be that a Dem wants to primary Dems. And he sends in his online trolls to split the party that just got in.


But it’s not sexist to point out that her using her platform to attack Dems and minimize Russia investigations is bad for democracy.


False frame PLUS if you look at almost all the newly elected Democratic House members (and Senate) they mostly all ran campaigns that did NOT emphasise Trump/Russia, many were very open about that, many of the centrists

they ran on healthcare and pocketbook issues

I have watched dozens of interviews that back this up

it is simply inaccurate for her to single out AOC on that and try and infer that AOC is aiding Putin

MANY on here (DU) are calling for the anti-Pelosi people to be primaried. Well, who do you think the ones that AOC is talking about are? Yep, a huge overlap, as it is centrists, not liberal/progs who are calling for Pelosi out.


here Kirkman really gets loony, she says unity is actually playing into Putins hands:

And that makes Putin very happy. Liberals who oppose her tactics - don’t horseshoe with Republicans and worry about her jacket. Just focus on the message of unity. Purity politics isn’t uniting. Spreading disinfo about what Dems care about or don’t isn’t uniting.

Thinking that you have to shut up or you’re not uniting is what Putin and his army want. They want you quiet. And the active measures talking points appeal to the good liberal in you.


she is arguing that not having a go at AOC is doing Putin's biding

Finally, Kirkman paints an ABSURD, over the top caricature of the leftish side of our party, amping up their so-called beliefs (and saying she was like that and thus using a rhetorical ploy of self-admittance and self-deprecation to make it look like her absurd claims are basically universal articles of faith on the left) to ridiculous levels (and basically, at subconscience levels, imply that people who believe even a scaled down (and thus much closer to the reality) version of these are Putin's tools):


I loved Bernie. I thought Jill Stein was legit. I thought Snowden was a hero. I’ve always been wildly liberal and this particular moment in my...life I was personally vulnerable to wanting a revolution cuz fuck it, MY life wasn’t what I wanted. I blamed Wall Street. I wanted everyone to fail who wasn’t absolutely 100% pure and socialist. I didn’t care if America failed in the process. convinced that a sweeping revolution could happen right away and that anyone against it was a brainwashed centrist sheep.


This phase didn’t last longer than a year but I’m ashamed that I had it at all. I was a politically active teenager. Organizing for environmental causes. Vegetarian since 14. I was always measured and empathetic and had friends who were not like me. But again because my personal life was not what I wanted it to be - and because I had a passion for politics, I was the perfect person to radicalize. I feel like I had a short stint in a cult.


that is a ludicrous summation of the vast majority of progressives

she is basically calling them cult members!

divisive much??????

The progressives and liberals are the ones most gun-ho to go after Trump/Putin and the ones supporting Pelosi. It's mostly the centrists that Kirkman supports who do not want this.

Maxine Waters wants to investigate Trump, but her party may resist
More moderate Democrats fear that oversight investigations will be a distraction or cause political blowback for the party.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211450676


Jen Kirkman has an out-there conspiracy theory about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Russia

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jen-kirkman-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/

Comedian Jen Kirkman is going viral for a baffling conspiracy theory about Democrats, Russia, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Over the weekend, Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), who made waves running on an unabashedly left-leaning platform, said she wanted to support more primary challengers to moderate Democrats. In a call with Justice Democrats, a group that supported progressives in 2018, Ocasio-Cortez said she was going to back and recruit more challengers to incumbents, according to the Intercept.

As the 2018 election showed, Democrats who are receiving challenges from the left can move moderate candidates to more left-leaning policies and platforms, instead of watching them scurry to the center to capture swing voters. But, what if the center is where Democrats should be, and any calls for things like abolishing ICE and Medicare-for-all are secretly exactly what the Russians want?

Allow comedian Kirkman to explain.

Over the past day, Kirkman, who has dropped her fair share of theories before, said she believes that Ocasio-Cortez’s progressive platform is being used by Russian trolls to help divide the Democratic party. And that speaking out about progressive causes, while downplaying Russian election interference, is proof something is afoot.

snip


now to sum Kirkman's past work up (and this is getting pretty near to as divisive as one can get from her side







That is not the words of a good faith actor, those are hyper-divisive bombs, ironically the very thing she accuses AOC (and unknowingly many of the candidates she actually supported) of.
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
104. If you're making a reasonable point having to do with her voting Stein. YOu can't
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:41 AM
Nov 2018

just make up whatever shit you want and pretend that you can plug in names to any scandal or any opposition when it makes no bloody sense, and Goddammit, we should be above that. I can't believe you're posting to tell me Sarandon sucks so any lie we tell about her is totally fair. That's just tragic.

sheshe2

(83,940 posts)
141. You got all that out of the five words I posted?
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 03:51 AM
Nov 2018
" make up whatever shit you want "

"pretend that you can plug in names to any scandal or any opposition"


"it makes no bloody sense, and Goddammit, we should be above that."

"I can't believe you're posting to tell me Sarandon sucks "


"so any lie we tell about her is totally fair. That's just tragic."



Hmmm.

All I said was: "she voted Stein. Enough said."

…..

Backing away very slowly here.





 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
142. why did that belong where you posted it? How did that have to do with what my post was about?
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:39 AM
Nov 2018

Last edited Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:18 AM - Edit history (2)

It seemed to suggest, given the context, that it doesn't matter if you just make shit up that isn't true about her because of things that are true. "Enough said," kind of says it doesn't matter to you. It came across to me as... "We can believe what we want about her because she sucks."

I'm sorry, it wasn't enough said.

still_one

(92,433 posts)
97. You are right, there is plenty of justifed criticism to detest Sarandon, and for that matter anyone
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:00 AM
Nov 2018

who encouraged people not to vote for the Democratic nominee.

While no doubt Saradon is not aligned with the R/W in anyway, she and the others who used media outlets to encourage people NOT to vote for the Democratic nominee, and say that the Democratic nominee was more dangerous than trump, can go f**k themselves.

I understand the frustration, but I really wish the Sarandon's and Stein's would be ignored. They do NOT deserve anyone's attention

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
106. Cenk Uygur doesn't support No Labels
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:53 AM
Nov 2018

...nor does he support the Problem Solvers Caucus.

He’s to the left of those groups.

wryter2000

(46,083 posts)
2. This has the stench of Republicans all over it
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 06:59 PM
Nov 2018

I don't for one moment believe this is "bipartisan." Republicans started this and have managed to pull in a few Democrats.

And who in hell ARE these Democrats? Their constituents need to be on the phone with them.

dem4decades

(11,306 posts)
56. Lieberman was positioning himself as an adviser to the Republican candidate for Gov in CT.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:28 PM
Nov 2018

Old Joe can fuck off.

ooky

(8,930 posts)
100. least of all Lieberman, who is a health insurance industry shill
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:38 AM
Nov 2018

and one of the traitors we can thank for the ACA not including a public option.

wryter2000

(46,083 posts)
6. Here are the dems in this caucus
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:04 PM
Nov 2018

Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.)
Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.)
Ami Bera (D-Calif.)
Jim Costa (D-Calif.)
Elizabeth Esty (D-Conn.)
Daniel Lipinski (D-Ill.)
Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.)
Rick Nolan (D-Minn.)
Tom O'Halleran (D-Ariz.)
Jimmy Panetta (D-Calif.)
Scott Peters (D-Calif.)
Bradley Schneider (D-Ill.)
Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.)
Darren Soto (D-Fla.)
Tom Suozzi (D-N.Y.)
Peter Welch (D-Vt.)

Only 9 of the above have said they won't support Pelosi. I don't know which 9. But if one of these is your congresscritter, you should be on the phone with them. I'm going to make an OP about this.

(Noting Sinema is in the Senate now.)

Enough of this crap.

wryter2000

(46,083 posts)
9. That I don't know
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:10 PM
Nov 2018

I firmly believe they're being manipulated by Republicans. The Republicans know they're losing power, and they're doing everything they can to create chaos. What better way than to dump the most effective Speaker of the House we have?

erronis

(15,371 posts)
46. Welch is part of the 16 but said he wouldn't support this effort.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:12 PM
Nov 2018

He's my sole congress-thing and I'm not happy with his ambivalence. Either get behind the very effective current Speaker or get off the can.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
137. one of the big problems democrats continue to ignore is
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 10:34 PM
Nov 2018

how rw radio pushes democrats to the right

there are a shitload of dem reps and senators who actually believe rw radio constituencies are legitimate - the local radio stations get talking points from the heritage foundation or the kremlin and they get blasted with calls on a particular issue - like caravans of ebola-carrying thugs from central america, etc

because liberals ignore talk radio they take it seriously as if it's legitimate, and these bothsiders have cred - what a load

then there are a few who use that coordinated bullshit, like republicans have been for 30 years, to enable them

because dems generally have no clue what talk radio does they get away with this crap.

if dems want to make sure the orange asshole doesn't wind up at mara lago in glorious retirement because a bunch or red/talk radio state blue dogs forced 'concerned ' compromise the left needs stop ignoring talk radio

pwb

(11,292 posts)
7. Why even post this crap?
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:05 PM
Nov 2018

All these groups are made up to divide the party and give a bad impression of democrats.

pwb

(11,292 posts)
17. I will ignore this bliss.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:26 PM
Nov 2018

But you go ahead and be well informed of bullshit. I hate even responding and kicking this division crap up the page.

pwb

(11,292 posts)
20. Yea your really helping the cause.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:38 PM
Nov 2018
There is another new group called republicans for Pelosi. And democrats for trump. Somebody wrote it so it must be true?

UTUSN

(70,755 posts)
34. Since you posted in my thread & now here I feel free to object to your tone aimed at fellow DUers.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:06 PM
Nov 2018

Not to mention that you and I have the same VN service medal.





DFW

(54,447 posts)
10. Don't be fooled, people, this is useful to know
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:10 PM
Nov 2018

It shows us how utterly TERRIFIED the Republicans are of Nancy Pelosi as Speaker, and thus proving what a wise choice it would be to elect her speaker again, which is what was going to happen anyway.

But this confirms how right that choice is. If it were someone that didn't strike fear into their hearts, they wouldn't have raised a finger or uttered a sound.

TheBlackAdder

(28,225 posts)
15. That's why Trump should be called on his support. I bet he can't get one Rep to support Pelosi.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:25 PM
Nov 2018

.

He made that bullshit statement that he could get votes for her, because she deserves it.

Call him on it. If she deserves it, she shouldn't have to ask. He should just be able to get everyone to support her.

.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
33. Nancy Pelosi is just a pinata to rally voters to hate
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:05 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Anyone threatening to align with the GOP is dead to me - might as well join the GOP.

The House is the one body of government controlled by Democrats. It's leadership, focus, rules, etc should be decided by those dedicated to Democrats and working from within the party.

Any Democrat siding with the Republicans to install a Republican speaker after what happened in this election is performing political suicide.

Democrats need to sort these things out within the party - not threats to join Republicans.

I'm up for a transition from Nancy in 2020 but garbage like this makes me want to retain her all the more because where these folks are trying to take the party isn't what got Democrats control of the House.

After what the GOP has done with the judges and the 2016 election, bipartisanship is dead. Republicans are either criminals or covering for them in my view. Why should Democrats consort with criminals?

erronis

(15,371 posts)
52. +1, again. Let's get our job done without allowing repugs to foul the nest.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:16 PM
Nov 2018

We need to keep track of all the repugs, outright or masquerading as dems, and make sure their futures don't lie in politics or lobbying the government.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
13. Fuck 'em. It's just more bullshit being pushed by a media that wants to see Dem infighting.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:21 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:59 PM - Edit history (1)

9 votes aren't enough to hold the process hostage.

There are a total of 435 seats in the House, which means you need 218 for a majority. Come January, the Dems will hold 234 seats.

Subtract 9, and you still have 225 -- which is still 17 more than than the 218 needed for a majority. NOTE: my math is obviously wrong - but I'm still not going to worry.

The Lieberman 9 can go pound sand.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
19. The Problem Is ...I Think Your Math Isn't Quite Right
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:37 PM
Nov 2018

We had 197...added 39 = 236. 236-9= 225 -15 of the other group...well you can see the problem.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
24. Ack! You're right! I'm off by 10 - duh!
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:45 PM
Nov 2018

Still, I think most of that first group (I think it was 16) have switched to saying they'll vote for Pelosi.

I'm not going to worry about it, because I still think it's more media hype than anything else.

OnDoutside

(19,975 posts)
29. In light of the level of Dem activism during the midterms, they'd be "brave" to try it. I reckon
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 07:57 PM
Nov 2018

Pelosi can give them a few trinkets and then call their bluff.

UTUSN

(70,755 posts)
39. Here's a definitive article from TruthDig (courtesy DUer Rainy) -
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 08:34 PM
Nov 2018

**********QUOTE*********

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/whos-really-leading-the-democratic-rebellion-against-pelosi/

Who's Really Leading the Democratic Rebellion Against Pelosi?

.... ... ideology is not driving this campaign, and this is no populist rebellion. In fact, its leaders have no discernible ideology at all.
That’s how corporate money rolls in the Democratic Party. It lays low, hides its true colors, and pretends it only wants to “get things done.”

The anti-Pelosi insurgency is not a movement. It’s a cabal, orchestrated by the appropriately hashtagged #FiveWhiteGuys, a group of self-self-interested players with big money behind them. ....

...vague on the issues, big on cliches and platitudes, ... is the hallmark of “centrism,” the billionaire-funded political faction that serves its financial backers by selling themselves as “non-ideological,” “technocratic” architects of “bipartisan” consensus who can “break the gridlock” and “solve problems.”

For this crowd, “solving problems” always winds up meaning the same thing: cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and an unwarranted obsession with the federal deficit that always—just accidentally, mind you!—winds up helping corporations and the billionaire class. ....

...claims to be “above parties and partisanship”—which, in the end, is another way of saying it’s free of any principles except the interests of its paymasters. It often comes in the guise of patriotism, as when Seth Moulton says he places “country over party”—a comment that, implicitly, is a deep insult to those who believe one party’s proposals would serve the country better than the other’s.

The anti-Pelosi campaign is being supported by one of the mainstays of the corporate centrist world—the cynical political ploy known as “No Labels,” which I wrote about in 2012, and its creation, the “Problem Solvers Caucus.” ... a guaranteed-employment plan for Republican and Democratic political hacks, ... ....

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Scruffy1

(3,257 posts)
57. Nancy can handle them.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:28 PM
Nov 2018

It's like these fools never learn. She's smarter and tougher than they are. One trip to her office and they willcome back with their tails hanging down.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
62. "...... whose mission is to combat partisan dysfunction in politics..."
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:42 PM
Nov 2018

" partisan dysfunction"

Well fuck me.

It ain't no partisan dysfunction, it is fucking asshole republicans..

So stuff it No Labels.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
75. Bi-partisan: we'll consider not slashing the social safety net if you...
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:42 PM
Nov 2018

...give us the wall, more tax cuts for the wealthy and promise not to impeach Trump regardless of Mueller's findings. Deal?

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
78. Fucking morons.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:53 PM
Nov 2018
The caucus said in its statement that this month's midterms showed that "the American people have had enough of obstructionism and pure partisanship."


Or maybe people turned out in really high numbers because there are fucking Nazis in charge.

ooky

(8,930 posts)
101. Yeah, now that they've lost the House they think the time is right for some bipartisanship.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:58 AM
Nov 2018

You really can't make this stuff up.

Where was this bipartisan group when the Republicans were drinking toasts to destroying American's health care in the White House Rose Garden? I'm tired of partisanship alright. Specifically, Republican partisanship. Fuck them and their bipartisan sheep suits.

DFW

(54,447 posts)
107. Yeah, funny thing about that
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:50 AM
Nov 2018

When we're at the wrong end of a firing squad, they yell, "fire!"

When they're at the wrong end of a firing squad, they yell, "let's compromise!"

MFM008

(19,821 posts)
108. This infighting
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:52 AM
Nov 2018

Is what maggot and his humpers love.
Its the stuff they plan 2020 around.
Then they laugh.

George II

(67,782 posts)
122. Looks like the "Problem Solvers Caucus" is losing its aura - it is down to 37 members...
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:25 AM
Nov 2018

...from the original 48, and two didn't run again this year, so unless they recruit new members they're down to 35 or maybe less.

As for "No Labels", this line outs their intentions - "On June 21, 2018 No Labels announced The Speaker Project, which proposed using the election of a new speaker as leverage...."

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
127. Rayguns democrats strike again
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:50 PM
Nov 2018

These GOP friendly dems need to be primaried from the left when the time comes.

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