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brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:48 PM Nov 2018

To those venting about the "Problem Solvers Caucus", here's a comment you aren't going to like...

The Problem Solvers Caucus believes in finding bipartisan solutions to otherwise intractable problems. If you believe that the only acceptable position for Democrats is to stand in opposition to all Republicans, then be prepared to lose the House majority in 2020. We won because voters who had supported Trump and Republicans in 2016 switch to look for an alternative, NOT because they all became progressives. We won because voters in tossup districts (not safe Blue ones) switched their vote. These voters want to get things done, and they don't want ideological purity (on either side) get in the way.

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To those venting about the "Problem Solvers Caucus", here's a comment you aren't going to like... (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2018 OP
Have they gone after Mitch McConnell? Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #1
The Problem Solvers Caucus is a House institution brooklynite Nov 2018 #8
They are backed by the ridiculous "No Labels" idiots, funded by billionaires manor321 Nov 2018 #19
No Labels is financed in part by the Koch Brothers octoberlib Nov 2018 #60
Boy, isn't that the truth. But Democrats ALWAYS Hortensis Nov 2018 #82
Maybe we can counter No Labels with No Thanks. whathehell Nov 2018 #110
No shit! George II Nov 2018 #114
LOL! whathehell Nov 2018 #121
Even better! whathehell Mar 2019 #150
Ditto, whatthehell. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #146
Aren't they also fighting against Pelosi? Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #38
Lefty bashing is so odd JonLP24 Nov 2018 #65
It was created less than two years ago, 48 members. In January they'll be down to 35 or less. George II Nov 2018 #99
They are not a House institution, they are a jackboot group WhiteTara Nov 2018 #102
The Pathetic Pelosi Putsch Gothmog Nov 2018 #143
Is it that they "want to get things done," or... regnaD kciN Nov 2018 #2
The former... brooklynite Nov 2018 #10
So, they didn't want Trump, but they wanted standard pre-Trump Republicanism...? regnaD kciN Nov 2018 #53
Polls repeatedly show support for a progressive agenda. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #3
Meanwhile The Problem Solvers Caucus helped repair the ACA brooklynite Nov 2018 #14
I would take isue with the WP's framing. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #20
very heavily modified, it barely resembles the heritage plan. Like there's nothing there.. JHan Nov 2018 #67
Did any Republican voted for the ACA? LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #81
I know since then the ACA is not covering the same it did in Dec of 2016. So what exactly Wintryjade Nov 2018 #103
Is This Your Point Of View Me. Nov 2018 #4
That POV leaves out that there may be one or two problem solving republicans left. Blue_true Nov 2018 #26
And The Cons Can Simply Vote With The Dems For A Change Me. Nov 2018 #48
Yes. Blue_true Nov 2018 #87
THey, For Whatever Reason, AbdicaTed Their Positions Me. Nov 2018 #97
Exactly. nt Blue_true Nov 2018 #98
This is fine, and... UncleTomsEvilBrother Nov 2018 #5
Agree. It appears to be selective to target perceived vulnerabilities erronis Nov 2018 #35
The other side of the partisan divide has made it Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #6
Indeed. eom guillaumeb Nov 2018 #22
Exactly. Blue_true Nov 2018 #28
Yes. And the Republicans on that side of the isle were their voting with the buddies, not calling Wintryjade Nov 2018 #109
There is no compromise with Repugs - only capitulation. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2018 #7
+1 Phoenix61 Nov 2018 #13
Exactly -- and therein is the problem with the "Problem Solvers" -- it's fake, a facade; KPN Nov 2018 #58
That's absolutely correct. And there is no such thing at all as bipartisanship. Republicans dont' JCanete Nov 2018 #61
So-called Problem Solvers have never solved a single problem shanny Nov 2018 #9
They solved a funding problem by taking the Koch brothers money CentralMass Mar 2019 #151
I stand corrected. shanny Mar 2019 #153
Your right, I don't. Phoenix61 Nov 2018 #11
How many candidates told you that was what voters wanted? brooklynite Nov 2018 #15
Really??? atreides1 Nov 2018 #127
So you're accusing Democratic candidates of lying? brooklynite Nov 2018 #128
Which candidates did you meet with? sheshe2 Mar 2019 #147
See list... brooklynite Mar 2019 #152
Here's the website for Kim Schrier (WA-8) brooklynite Nov 2018 #17
That's the test your using? Phoenix61 Nov 2018 #30
No, that's an example...I'm going with the fact that the 50-odd candidates I spoke to... brooklynite Nov 2018 #34
50 odd dem candidates who spoke to Phoenix61 Nov 2018 #37
Who spoke to VOTERS. The voters that got them elected. brooklynite Nov 2018 #39
Oh, bullshit... regnaD kciN Nov 2018 #55
+1 (n/t) FreepFryer Nov 2018 #70
From her website: dalton99a Nov 2018 #78
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Nov 2018 #93
Oops. Guess he didn't talk to her. Autumn Nov 2018 #122
Brava/Bravo sheshe2 Mar 2019 #148
Nope blogslut Nov 2018 #12
Ah, good to know sharedvalues Nov 2018 #18
And the Bush-worshipping Joe Lieberman (I/D) is National Leader dalton99a Nov 2018 #85
They're funded by (rightwing) billionaires! sharedvalues Nov 2018 #16
Yep. And we won because of turnout. Not because Trump voters voted Dem. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #32
Yeah, let's surrender the house to the Koch's agenda. denbot Nov 2018 #21
Hogwash. People/repugs switched because of trump's disastrous reign. brush Nov 2018 #23
One problem with your thesis. Blue_true Nov 2018 #24
. Squinch Nov 2018 #25
I am with you. nt sheshe2 Mar 2019 #149
I understand that there are a lot of people who are disgrunteled because government doesn't seem to RDANGELO Nov 2018 #27
I agree. Blue_true Nov 2018 #33
The Rs lost big because their policies hurt "we the people" eleny Nov 2018 #29
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Nov 2018 #94
Bend over, America, here come the cuts to Social Security and Medicare. (n/t) SMC22307 Nov 2018 #31
Whoa. brooklynite just threw this scrap out and then skedaddled. erronis Nov 2018 #36
You missed the seven replies I made to comments? brooklynite Nov 2018 #41
Yes, I did. My apologies! erronis Nov 2018 #68
Brooklynite is a highly valued DU'er and is "plugged in way more than most here... winstars Nov 2018 #56
But he won't answer me that he thinks Lieberman is a good guy. WhiteTara Nov 2018 #100
I get that. Not all places are the same, not all Democrats hold the same positions... Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #40
The only way to win is to take a step to the right? Hrmm. No. n/t X_Digger Nov 2018 #42
Democrats Can't 'Work With' Republicans Until Republicans Return to Reality Celerity Nov 2018 #43
Thanks for posting. Lot of reading but I wanted something like this and will bookmark. Thanks. SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #107
I guess it really comes down to the voting record pecosbob Nov 2018 #44
Sez who? stopbush Nov 2018 #45
Bull. nt Doremus Nov 2018 #46
Uhm, from my understanding, most people who voted Dem are people who never vote... Humanist_Activist Nov 2018 #47
They should drop the label and come up with specific ideas question everything Nov 2018 #49
"Ideological purity?" What does that mean? lilactime Nov 2018 #50
I guess if all Americans could have health care whether they are rich or poor ooky Nov 2018 #54
I guess that makes me a purist. lilactime Nov 2018 #57
No, being an ideological purist means.... brooklynite Nov 2018 #71
But their actions could ensure a Republican speaker and that lilactime Nov 2018 #74
Maybe we won because more new voters voted for Democrats. nclib Nov 2018 #51
We won because voters showed up. Not because Republicans switched sides. Autumn Nov 2018 #124
I agree with you. nclib Nov 2018 #130
I don't believe this is being framed quite right. ooky Nov 2018 #52
Fuck the "problem Solvers". The only problems they'll solve is how we Democrats can screw ourselves KPN Nov 2018 #59
+1 The midterms are over, and everyone knows that Republicans will be doing all OnDoutside Nov 2018 #62
Our problem as Dems is that we are so easily enticed away from our best interests. allgood33 Nov 2018 #63
+1 violetpastille Nov 2018 #105
Or they really didn't like Trump so they voted in someone to oppose him JonLP24 Nov 2018 #64
What the hell does getting things done mean? What is important is the outcome. wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #66
intrigued to know which intractable problems. JHan Nov 2018 #69
Looks to me like the "problem" that the "Problem Solvers Caucus" is trying to solve... George II Nov 2018 #72
+1 lilactime Nov 2018 #75
+1 dalton99a Nov 2018 #79
Thank you George still_one Nov 2018 #95
Moulton Seeks Negotiations with Pelosi Gothmog Nov 2018 #138
Apparently he's waving the white flag? From elsewhere: George II Nov 2018 #139
Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. panader0 Nov 2018 #73
I hate to say it there are solutions that GOP WILL NEVER AGREE WITH beachbum bob Nov 2018 #76
You probably defended, Joe Lieberman, too. PubliusEnigma Nov 2018 #77
eh we won because folks wanted a check on Trump qazplm135 Nov 2018 #80
Is this performance art? Or just the billionaire perspective? MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #83
Sorry, I don't do capitulation. Vinnie From Indy Nov 2018 #84
Bipartisanship to them is letting them destroy 90% instead of 100% dalton99a Nov 2018 #88
We had an 8-year experiment in "problem solving"... JHB Nov 2018 #86
That is the point. The republicans today do NOT want to compromise or work with Democrats. still_one Nov 2018 #90
Bullshit. The republican party today DOESN'T WANT BIPARTISANSHIP, they have made that very clear still_one Nov 2018 #89
Good points and very valid. 'Ideological purtiy' is a fake word invented by repugs since they... SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #108
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Nov 2018 #116
+1 Well said Jarqui Nov 2018 #112
You mean Lieberman is a good guy? WhiteTara Nov 2018 #91
+1 MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #92
Lieberman isn't a Democrat, and the most incriminating thing is he campaigned against President still_one Nov 2018 #104
So why are they trying to shove these POS down our throats WhiteTara Nov 2018 #113
Nancy will be the speaker. She has the votes still_one Nov 2018 #115
Baloney jcgoldie Nov 2018 #96
Republicans do not compromise. They use the word to get what they want, at our expense. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #101
LOL.Their idea of bipartisanship is only when Democrats move more to the right Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #106
None of these Republicans in this group challenged anything the Republicans did the last two years. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #111
+1 Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #118
Pure crap Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #117
I doubt recently that the GOP "Problem Solvers" voted bipartisan much. haele Nov 2018 #119
What problems have they solved, exactly? NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #120
Next time you talk to them tell them to be ready to enjoy Republican ideological purity Autumn Nov 2018 #123
After they've elected Donnie Short Fingers maxrandb Nov 2018 #125
I dont mind working with to get what the DEMS want. lancelyons Nov 2018 #126
Yeah, we "don't like it" because it's Gaslighting, Bogus, Cha Nov 2018 #129
The Problem Solvers Caucus is not about finding bipartisan solutions Autumn Nov 2018 #131
False optimism and 'meaningful' interpretations. keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #132
mmm, only two days old mountain grammy Nov 2018 #133
This one was a stinker the moment it got posted. Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #135
In other words: Bettie Nov 2018 #134
I agree Marrah_Goodman Nov 2018 #136
House Problem Solvers Caucus has solved few problems, bipartisan critics allege Gothmog Nov 2018 #137
Kicking this just for the laughs..... nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2018 #140
+1 MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #142
From Wonkette Gothmog Nov 2018 #141
Pelosi's momentum builds: 'Voting against Pelosi on the floor is a vote for the Republican' Gothmog Nov 2018 #144
Do you still support this group? Gothmog Dec 2018 #145

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
60. No Labels is financed in part by the Koch Brothers
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:23 AM
Nov 2018

and other conservative dark money groups. Never, ever trust anything Joe Lieberman’s a part of.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
82. Boy, isn't that the truth. But Democrats ALWAYS
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:09 PM
Nov 2018

have groups trying to improve bipartisan agreement. In fact, as a whole, belief in the need for bipartisan agreement is a DEFINING characteristic of Democrats as a whole. That's because liberal representative republics must have that to function and survive, and the Democrats are the liberal party. In this era, we're the ones.

Any group that carries that as its basic purpose is probably good but could always be derailed and turned to dark purposes. Misogyny is extremely broad and entrenched. Wherever a woman has something men want, it becomes a passion and weapon. I just saw yet another new Nancy needs to resign in 2 years or we'll lose 2020 article yesterday, from a respected scholar yet. I've never read one on that theme EVER about a male leader.

Voltaire2

(13,070 posts)
38. Aren't they also fighting against Pelosi?
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:17 PM
Nov 2018

Why yes they are. In fact this is the only faction openly fighting against her.

So you support them? Really? Opposing Pelosi is only wrong if it is from the left?

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
102. They are not a House institution, they are a jackboot group
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:07 PM
Nov 2018

who want to derail the best House Speaker of our time. Spiritual pride is a great sin in all religions.

Gothmog

(145,329 posts)
143. The Pathetic Pelosi Putsch
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 09:57 PM
Nov 2018

This story makes me smile. Moulton comes off looking like a putsch https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/26/speaker-nancy-pelosi-revolt-seth-moulton-222686

Two days after the election, Moulton declared that his crew was committed to voting against Pelosi on the House floor, where only a handful of renegade Democrats would be needed to deny her a winning majority. The following week, he said he was “100 percent confident” he had the votes, and Pelosi’s time was up.

And yet she’s still here.

Pelosi strides into Wednesday’s House Democratic Caucus elections with her head held high, and her high heels on Moulton’s neck. She remains without a Democratic challenger. She has unleashed a wave of support from the Democratic faithful, from Barack Obama on down. She turned two of Moulton’s allies who had, just days before, stated their opposition to her. A third opponent suggested he’ll vote for Pelosi on the floor if no other Democratic option emerges. And she has kept several other Serve America PAC alumni from jumping aboard Moulton’s rickety bandwagon. While Pelosi isn’t completely in the clear for the final vote on January 3 on the House floor—with Moulton clinging to 14 fellow holdouts and eight other Democrats in the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus playing hard to get—she unquestionably holds the whip hand.

Dumping a historic figure like Pelosi, the first female speaker, after she weathered a Republican blitzkrieg to help her party win back the House, was always going to be a tall order. (And don’t say I didn’t warn them!) But Moulton’s operation has been, to borrow some military jargon, FUBAR. He’s poised to not only lose his battle with the party establishment, but to lose in such humiliating fashion that it could ruin his reputation and douse whatever presidential fires may be burning in his belly.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
2. Is it that they "want to get things done," or...
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:52 PM
Nov 2018

...that they want to make sure Trump doesn’t have the chance to get anything else done?

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
10. The former...
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:58 PM
Nov 2018

They want something done about health care, education and retirement, according to House candidates I've talked to. NONE of the candidates I've met with said Donald Trump was a big issue.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. Polls repeatedly show support for a progressive agenda.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:53 PM
Nov 2018

And the "problem solvers" are at odds with that.

One member, my Representative, Dan Lipinski, voted against that ACA because he is anti-choice.



And if the funding for the "problem solvers" caucus comes from conservative groups, and that funding included funding an ad that accused Lipinski's 2018 primary opponent of being a Holocaust denier, I will assume that they will do anything to prevent an actual progressive from defeating Lipinski.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211469385

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
14. Meanwhile The Problem Solvers Caucus helped repair the ACA
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:59 PM
Nov 2018
The Caucus' signature success to date occurred on July 31, 2017, when its members unified behind a bipartisan health care fix to shore up the nation’s struggling health insurance exchanges and to reduce premiums for individuals, families and small businesses. The Washington Post described the Caucus plan as "a viable bipartisan compromise focused on stabilizing health-care markets rather than enforcing one party's will on the nation." [4] -- Wikipedia

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
20. I would take isue with the WP's framing.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:07 PM
Nov 2018

The ACA, as we all know, was a modified version of a Heritage foundation idea. Hardly enforcing one party's will.

And the 60 votes to repeal the ACA showed how much the GOP wanted to work together.

My view is that this caucus is designed to push the debate to the right under the guise of searching for compromise. And that is standard GOP practice.

And those of us who know Lipinski know what he is.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
67. very heavily modified, it barely resembles the heritage plan. Like there's nothing there..
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 08:30 AM
Nov 2018

Republicans disliked the plan ( of course they wanted to obstruct Obama too )

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/12/the-affordable-care-act-is-not-remotely-similar-to-the-heritage-plan

"The ACA contains many long-standing liberal priorities — expanding Medicaid, regulating the health care industry, providing substantial subsidies for real insurance — that the Heritage plan manifestly does not. And the Heritage plan includes many horrible ideas that the ACA did not contain. But acknowledging the massive, fundamental differences between the ACA and the Potemkin Heritage plan — differences of kind, not of degree — makes it harder to advance the narrative that the flaws in the ACA result from Barack Obama’s abiding hatred of the very idea of federal intervention into the health care market. If Obama had actually proposed something like the Heritage plan, it would actually be fair to call him a neoliberal stooge. But he didn’t, and the differences between the Heritage plan and the ACA disprove the charge conclusively."

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
103. I know since then the ACA is not covering the same it did in Dec of 2016. So what exactly
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:11 PM
Nov 2018

was in the vote in July of 2017? Three costs that were covered in December of 2016 were not covered again in spring of 2108. Somewhere along the way, insurance companies were empowered to not follow ACA guidelines.

I do not trust them at all> They are about reducing social security and medicare. They are not about us, the people but corporations.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. That POV leaves out that there may be one or two problem solving republicans left.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:19 PM
Nov 2018

If that. So the "problem solving" democrats should work within their own caucus to get some of their ideas implemented.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
87. Yes.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:28 PM
Nov 2018

I remember several discharge petitions where socalled moderate republicans were going to work with democrats to force a vote on meaningful legistlation. IT NEVER HAPPENED BECAUSE THOSE REPUBLICANS BACKED THEIR PARTY AT CRUCHTIME.

Look, I welcome sane republican voters to vote with us at election time, those people are Patriots and have no other option. But what can't happen is they expect to tell democratic Reps how to conduct business. If they can't accept that democrats will push legistlation that is important to democrats, then they should go back into their party and try to flush out the crazies from it, good luck to them in that case, because they will need luck.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
97. THey, For Whatever Reason, AbdicaTed Their Positions
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:53 PM
Nov 2018

and by doing so aided and abetted, for it is well known that silence equals assent. So if any DEm thinks we should be following their lead they need to be held accountable for failing the people who worked so hard to put them in power and remove the harm of a Con led House.

5. This is fine, and...
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:55 PM
Nov 2018

...I can't wait until I see the Problem Solvers Caucus over in the Senate. That's actually a comment you won't like.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
35. Agree. It appears to be selective to target perceived vulnerabilities
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:02 PM
Nov 2018

Rather then offer concrete solutions.

Voltaire2

(13,070 posts)
6. The other side of the partisan divide has made it
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:55 PM
Nov 2018

painfully clear that it is “their way or the highway”. So, it case you missed the last 10 years, that means that our “working together” will mean capitulation.

We will certainly lose again if we once more as a party run away from our principles and demonstrate clearly that we stand for nothing.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
28. Exactly.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:21 PM
Nov 2018

Republicans did not seek input from democrats at all. Voters want results that make sense to them, they really don't care overall how produce those results.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
109. Yes. And the Republicans on that side of the isle were their voting with the buddies, not calling
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:40 PM
Nov 2018

for fairness or bi partisan. That tells us how seriously they want to work with Democrats. Did they vote for the tax cut for the rich? Destroy ACA? The are not inclined to bipartisan.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
58. Exactly -- and therein is the problem with the "Problem Solvers" -- it's fake, a facade;
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:04 AM
Nov 2018

there is no mutual compromise that occurs. Or put it this way, we give a mile, they give an inch. That doesn't buy it anymore. That's exactly why many Ds don't come out and vote. When we create the results that would be Democrats want and expect, then they will vote. Sure, they may vote in greater numbers to simply get rid of Trump in 2020, but it won't last if we keep giving (compromising our positions and goals) significantly more than the GOP does in the name of bipartisan solutions. More like BS solutions; our potential public won't buy it.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
61. That's absolutely correct. And there is no such thing at all as bipartisanship. Republicans dont'
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:58 AM
Nov 2018

give an inch. They don't need to. They are bought and paid for and their base is too unaware to see it. They can't be reasoned with because that would require that they gave a shit. Reaching across the aisle is only doing the bidding of our corporate masters....so fuck that.
 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
9. So-called Problem Solvers have never solved a single problem
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:58 PM
Nov 2018

AND are funded by a bunch of 1%ers whose desires are at odds with Americans in General and the people on this board in particular.

So yes, your OP will be unpopular.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
11. Your right, I don't.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 09:58 PM
Nov 2018

I think you have made an incorrect assumption. People switched their vote to put a leash on Twitler. The repubs that urged voters to back dem candidates did so for that very reason. It has nothing to do with getting anything done.

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
15. How many candidates told you that was what voters wanted?
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:01 PM
Nov 2018

Because the many candidates I met with say otherwise.

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
128. So you're accusing Democratic candidates of lying?
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 07:22 PM
Nov 2018

But it’s apparently okay if they vote for Pelosi?

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
152. See list...
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 07:17 AM
Mar 2019

Kyrsten Sinema (AZ)
Jackey Rosen (NV)
Phil Bredesen (TN)
Sherrod Brown (OH)
Tina Smith (MN)
Bill Nelson (FL)
Kirsten Gillibrand (NY)
PA-17 Conor Lamb
AZ-02 Ann Kirkpatrick
IA-01 Abby Finkenauer
MN-02 Angie Craig
PA-07 Susan Wild
VA-10 Jennifer Wexton
CA-10 Josh Harder
IL-12 Brendan Kelly
KY-06 Amy McGrath
MI-08 Elissa Slotkin
NJ-03 Andy Kim
NY-19 Antonio Delgado
NY-22 Anthony Brindisi
OH-01 Aftab Pureval
GA-06 Lucy McBath
TX-23 Gina Ortiz-Jones
TX-31 M.J. Hegar
WI-01 Randy Bryce
WV-03 Richard Ojeda
MI-07 Gretchen Driskell
NY-11 Max Rose
OH-14 Betsy Rader
NV-03 Susie Lee

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
17. Here's the website for Kim Schrier (WA-8)
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:05 PM
Nov 2018

Find the name Donald Trump anywhere in it.

Find any battleground House candidate who mentions Donald Trump on their webpage.

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
34. No, that's an example...I'm going with the fact that the 50-odd candidates I spoke to...
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:38 PM
Nov 2018

said that voters didn't bring up Trump, and neither did they.

Where's your evidence?

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
37. 50 odd dem candidates who spoke to
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:07 PM
Nov 2018

Dems or repubs? Dem voters aren't going to speak to dem candidates about Trump. Repubs who voted for a dem candidate probable wouldn't have talked to them at all. People who take the time to talk to a candidate are very political which is definitely not representative of the general electorate.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
55. Oh, bullshit...
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 03:07 AM
Nov 2018

I live in Schrier's district. I got all her campaign materials. By far THE most common thread in her campaign was that she was the candidate who would be the most resolute fighter against Trump. (She’s also NOT part of the anti-Pelosi bloc, FWIW.)

By using my congresswoman as an example, you have only proven that you don’t have the slightest clue of what you’re talking about.

dalton99a

(81,526 posts)
78. From her website:
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:54 AM
Nov 2018
https://www.drkimschrier.com

Expanding Medicare to All through An Immediate Public Option

The Trump administration and House Republicans have taken every opportunity to undermine state health insurance exchanges. ...

Empowering Women through Healthcare

... Donald Trump has promised to nominate judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade, putting women’s lives and health at risk. It is more critical than ever that we send pro-choice champions to Congress to stand up against these attacks and keep our country from sliding backward.

Immigration

Diversity makes America great. Most of us come from immigrant families, and I have served many as a pediatrician. Yet the Trump Administration is targeting and instilling panic in the very communities that have helped build this country.

No one’s child should live with the constant anxiety of being torn away from the only life she or he has ever known. No one should be discriminated in the workplace or harassed in the streets because of where they were born. It is our responsibility to link arms with our immigrant neighbors and stand against hate.

I will seek to overturn Donald Trump’s travel ban which was clearly crafted to deny entry to our country based on religion.
I will oppose any expenditure of your tax dollars to build an unnecessary and unaffordable wall on our southern border....

etc. etc.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
16. They're funded by (rightwing) billionaires!
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:03 PM
Nov 2018

Same funders as No Labels.
And No Labels funded Lipinski. :vomit:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/bipartisan-no-labels-2018-super-pac-network-chicago-donors/

With a boost from Chicago-area mega donors, including White Sox and Bulls Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, No Labels, a group advocating bipartisanship in Congress, has created a network of super PACs to influence the 2018 elections — but doesn’t want its fingerprints on the money.

One of the super PACs, United for Progress Inc., has spent $740,334 as of Sunday to bolster Rep. Dan Lipinski

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
32. Yep. And we won because of turnout. Not because Trump voters voted Dem.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:33 PM
Nov 2018

We must not negotiate with terrorists. There's no compromising with neo-Nazis.

brush

(53,792 posts)
23. Hogwash. People/repugs switched because of trump's disastrous reign.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:16 PM
Nov 2018

His horrors won't stop. In 2020 we'll keep the House and gain the Senate as, unlike this year, twice as many repug seats are up for election. In 2022 also.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
24. One problem with your thesis.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:17 PM
Nov 2018

How many "moderate" republicans are left in the House after retirements and November 6? If there are no republicans left in the group, why can't the democrats work within their own caucus to get some of what they want?

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
27. I understand that there are a lot of people who are disgrunteled because government doesn't seem to
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:20 PM
Nov 2018

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come together and get things done. What they don't understand is that the parties are so disparate in there views, that there is not enough common ground to come together on. In 2020 the Democrats will control the House, the Senate and the presidency, and that is when things will get accomplished. In the summer of 2020 there will be one or two leaders in the Democratic nomination for President. They will be the voices of the party; not Nancy Pelosi.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
33. I agree.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:36 PM
Nov 2018

Republican politician have become very extreme. The only way to compromise with them is to give them what THEY want. When in power they made NO attempt to seek input from democrats, the tax bill (and other House bills), and the holdup of Garland and the Kavanaugh hearings in the Senate are prime examples. When republicans have power, they do not care AT ALL about what the input from politicians on our side are, they simple ram stuff through, even if that means withholding all information from democrats (as the tax bill and Kavanaugh hearings showed). Screw republican politicians, we should take control of all of government and treat them the way they treated our Reps.

If the socalled concerned republican voters that the OP mentioned want something different, then they should nominate politicians from their party that believe in the give and take that good government requires.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
29. The Rs lost big because their policies hurt "we the people"
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 10:22 PM
Nov 2018

Republicans need to bend over backwards to work with Democrats to insure our rights. I don't believe I need to list them for you since you're well aware of them. And I also believe that you're aware that the Republicans have not been interested in the rights and well being of ordinary Americans.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
36. Whoa. brooklynite just threw this scrap out and then skedaddled.
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:05 PM
Nov 2018

Seems like it can't defend its position.

winstars

(4,220 posts)
56. Brooklynite is a highly valued DU'er and is "plugged in way more than most here...
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 03:17 AM
Nov 2018

including me...

While I am actually unsure about his original idea of this post, what I do know as DU'er since Day 1 here that Brooklynite has insight and facts through his personal and private activities that many of us do not.

I am not saying we need to disagree or agree with a single word in the OP, but I am saying that this Du'er is worth hearing out.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
100. But he won't answer me that he thinks Lieberman is a good guy.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:06 PM
Nov 2018

He may be plugged in, but I'm old and I have a memory and I remember how he helped lose the 2000 race. Don't shove that POS in my face, thank you very much.

I'm waiting to hear him out.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
40. I get that. Not all places are the same, not all Democrats hold the same positions...
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:34 PM
Nov 2018

nor do their constituents. That plays out in votes on legislation, on amendments, on priorities. They will score some wins against some stances I would prefer. Got it, but this to me is different. This is trying to hijack the entire Democratic Caucus, to use political blackmail to either get their way or deny that Caucus the leadership it overwhelmingly prefers. This is on the meta level, and no I am not sympathetic to their position. I don't approve of a tail demanding to wag the dog.

Celerity

(43,419 posts)
43. Democrats Can't 'Work With' Republicans Until Republicans Return to Reality
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 11:42 PM
Nov 2018
The "Problem Solvers Caucus" has never solved a single problem. Sit down.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25135465/nancy-pelosi-speaker-race-problem-solvers-caucus/

The Hill has turned from a reliable Capitol Hill tip-sheet into a clickbait farm of the highest order, but it's also still well-wired into what's going on in the national legislature. So, on Thursday, it was no surprise to find that it was The Hill that sent the feline screeching from the burlap.

[Rep. Tom] Reed, co-chairman of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus (Reed voted 97% of the time with TRUMP), said the growing frustration with gridlock, polarization and a top-heavy leadership approach in Congress are the reasons why several members in his party are willing to supply Pelosi with some Speaker votes in exchange for extracting an overhaul of the House rules
.
“I would be willing, as a Republican on the floor of the House, to support a Speaker candidate, including Nancy Pelosi, who supports these rule reforms,” Reed said at an event for The Hill sponsored by American University's School of Public Affairs and the Kennedy Political Union.

“There are other members that are as committed as I am to this on the Republican side that are willing to do that. But I’ll let them address it individually,” he added. Nancy Pelosi, who did not arrive at the Capitol Thursday morning on a turnip truck, was ready for this shell game.


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House Problem Solvers Caucus has solved few problems, bipartisan critics allege

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/05/house-problem-solvers-caucus-has-solved-few-problems-bipartisan-critics-allege/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9053dbceb93a

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Democrats in particular say that by supporting the group, members of their own party have given political cover to lawmakers with conservative voting records without forcing those same lawmakers to take concrete action to stall Republican legislation on health care or taxes. The caucus’s Republican members have on average voted in line with the White House’s position 93 percent of the time, according to calculations based on FiveThirtyEight’s vote tracker, with at least nine Republicans in the group doing so more than 95 percent of the time.

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Grant said months ago he called friends who work as Republican staffers in the Capitol to ask about the Problem Solvers. “Everyone I talked to said, ‘This group has done almost nothing,’ ” Grant said. Rep. Lloyd Smucker (R-Pa.), who has voted in line with President Trump about 96 percent of the time, has mentioned his involvement in the Problem Solvers group in every debate. More than 110 House Republicans — nearly half the caucus — have more bipartisan voting records than Smucker, according to the Lugar Center.

“[Smucker] can use it to say, ‘Look, I’m working across the aisle,’ even though he is 100 percent in line with Donald Trump, doesn’t hold any moderate positions and takes a ton of corporate money,” Jess King, his Democratic opponent, said of the Problem Solvers group. “People truly don’t understand what it’s all about, and it keeps coming up.”

Rep. Tom Reed (R-N.Y.), who has voted with Trump about 97 percent of the time, is the Republican co-chair of the caucus and uses it as his “number one talking point — like it’s obsessive, all the time; all the time,” said Tracy Mitrano, his Democratic opponent. The Buffalo News, in endorsing Reed, cited his work in the Problem Solvers as a key justification, as did the York Daily Record in Pennsylvania when endorsing Smucker. Smucker and Reed both voted for the plan to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and they voted for Trump’s tax law last fall, two highly contentious and overwhelmingly partisan votes. Although they have more moderate voting records than the bulk of their caucus, many Republicans in the Problem Solvers caucus supported both efforts.

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The Slick “No Labels” Plan to Duck Debate, Cut Social Security and Coddle the 1% (2012)

No Labels is the creation of overpaid political insiders who work hand-in-glove with longtime opponents of Social Security and Medicare, pushing the agenda of the wealthiest among us by exploiting the public’s understandable frustration with gridlocked government.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/the-slick-no-labels-effor_b_1678389.html

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Who are they?

McKinnon worked on George W. Bush’s campaign before becoming a senior executive at Hill & Knowlton, the Beltway PR firm whose clients prior to his joining included the tobacco industry as it tried to suppress proof that cigarettes cause cancer, and Bank of Commerce and Credit International after it was hit with faced drug-money laundering charges. It continues to represent a variety of dictatorships around the world, and is currently helping the oil and gas industry confuse the public about the health implications of fracking.

Jacobson worked for Bill Clinton, conservative Democrat turned Chamber of Commerce lobbyist Evan Bayh, and and the right-leaning Democratic Leadership Council, and has a raised large sums of money for “centrist” (right-leaning) Democratic candidates. She also reportedly worked as a de facto industry lobbyist, as a PAC Director raising money for Congressional candidates sympathetic to her industry’s interests.[1] She is married to another Washington insider, Mark Penn, who is the CEO of Burson-Marsteller.

Walker is a longtime associate of right-wing billionaire Pete Peterson (who, as his press staff never fails to reminds me, sometimes also funds less political areas of economic research through his Foundation.) Walker’s work with Peterson, however, has been dedicated for many many years to the single-minded pursuit of a policy package that would cut Social Security and Medicare benefits while simultaneously lowering the top tax rate for the wealthiest Americans.

That agenda forms the basis of an American austerity program similar to that which is currently devastating Europe’s economy, and which has been packaged for domestic US consumption as the “Simpson Bowles plan.”

Bait and Switch

No Labels has a clever two-fold strategy: First, it packages far-right ideas as those of the “political mainstream” by ignoring polling data and instead finding members of the Washington elite in both parties - righting Clintonian Democrats, plus Republicans - willing to present them as a “consensus” view. Then it packages those proposals along with good ideas - and good-sounding ideas - so that it looks like they are the “reasonable” people in a world full of “extremists of the left and right.”



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Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
47. Uhm, from my understanding, most people who voted Dem are people who never vote...
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:14 AM
Nov 2018

or rarely vote in midterms at all, much less voted for Trump or Republicans. Especially those who are younger,(GenX and Millenials) seem to be motivated by to have the Democratic party stymie the Republican agenda. This Midterm had the highest turnout since Watergate, for crying out loud, why would anyone think bipartisanship should be on the agenda now?

question everything

(47,487 posts)
49. They should drop the label and come up with specific ideas
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:55 AM
Nov 2018

For example, the ACA can use some twekaing. Get to work on it.

Change the "tax reform" law that punishes low and middle income tax payers. Start be returning the exemption - $4,000 per person - and phase it out for higher income.

Allow taxpayers to take credit for Long-term care insurance.

etc.

ooky

(8,924 posts)
54. I guess if all Americans could have health care whether they are rich or poor
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 03:03 AM
Nov 2018

that would be our ideologic purity for health care.

brooklynite

(94,602 posts)
71. No, being an ideological purist means....
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 10:51 AM
Nov 2018

You support universal health care and reject any partial solution that might improve what we currently have.

nclib

(1,013 posts)
51. Maybe we won because more new voters voted for Democrats.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:49 AM
Nov 2018

Rather than republicans switched their votes.

Autumn

(45,109 posts)
124. We won because voters showed up. Not because Republicans switched sides.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:48 PM
Nov 2018

It's a load of horse shit to say otherwise. .

nclib

(1,013 posts)
130. I agree with you.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 08:10 PM
Nov 2018

Most republicans aren't going to vote for democrats no matter how odious their candidate is.

ooky

(8,924 posts)
52. I don't believe this is being framed quite right.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:50 AM
Nov 2018

"If you believe that the only acceptable position for Democrats is to stand in opposition to all Republicans, then be prepared to lose the House majority in 2020."



I don't believe that but I still oppose this caucus demand. They introduce themselves by blackmailing our leader? To change House rules that our voters didn't vote for us to change? While I don't doubt our voters want solutions, giving all House members the ability to push bills in the House wasn't their mandate either. That's a leadership role and I'm pretty sure our voters didn't vote for us to give that up.

If they want to have a "problem solving caucus" fine, but why do we need to change the rules for that? Let's see how sincere they really are with their bipartisanship by working through our normal process and rules. My guess is we will find out quickly that the Republican side of that "caucus" will be no more agreeable to anything good for Americans than they have previously been willing to do, which of course is nothing unless you are in the 1%. This seems to me as an attempt to cut off our leader and divide house democrats against one another.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
59. Fuck the "problem Solvers". The only problems they'll solve is how we Democrats can screw ourselves
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:08 AM
Nov 2018

over again. The Rs don't compromise, we do. That's not bipartisanship, that's BS. It's also the reason many would be Democrat non-voters don't vote. If we want to perpetuate non-voters, buy into this bullshit gimmick.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
62. +1 The midterms are over, and everyone knows that Republicans will be doing all
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 05:26 AM
Nov 2018

they can to save their sorry asses in 2020. Stopping Pelosi right at the start would be a massive gift for them.

I'd like to see Dem activists crowd these Dem politicians offices, just like what was done to Republicans, and let them know that they are on notice to cut this crap out, or they can look forward to being primaried next time. It's too important to be stabbing the Democratic Party in the back like this.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
63. Our problem as Dems is that we are so easily enticed away from our best interests.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:35 AM
Nov 2018

Billionaires know that is our weakness. Throw a "bipartisan bone" in back yard and we will scramble over each other to get it while the GOP bands together chew on the bone full of their nasty racist, greedy, fascist meat.

We are always the ones who must compromise. We don't need to compromise with anyone except each other. We need to band together around our values and agenda. That means that we moderate among ourselves when necessary and move forward with our own bold, but believable policies. We don't need to reach across the aisle to people with clenched fists. We need to hand across the aisle our policies stamped with our values and dare those on the other side to turn their backs. We need to clearly demonstrate who is really FOR THE PEOPLE and who is really FOR SPECIAL INTERESTS AND THE 1%. We need to do it persistently, loudly, daily, nightly. If the media doesn't carry our true message then we need to take it back home to our own organized town halls using the modern technology of webinars and conference call-meet ups. We need a new way of communicating with voters that is not controlled, sliced and diced by the MSM and cable networks. The technology is there and we haven't yet put it to best use. Voters may find it difficult to get out to some town hall meetings but we can carry those meetings to them via videos and live direct videos. WE CAN DO THIS if we stop fighting among ourselves and take what we need from the pot of progressive and traditional Democratic positions and values and present it in simple, realistic terms while educating our base and attracting others. WE NEED MORE ENERGY INTO INFORMING OUR BASE AND THOSE AROUND THEM ABOUT THE "UNSPINNED" ISSUES AND WHO IS REALLY STANDING IN THE WAY OF SOLUTIONS TO OUR NATIONAL PROBLEMS. A SHARING OF FACTS AND TRUTHS THAT THEY NEVER SEE OR HEAR FROM CABLE OR NETWORK NEWS. WE PUT IT OUT THERE SO THAT THE OPPOSITION CAN HACK IT AND SPREAD IT FOR US. We need new ways to educate, motivate, and energize our non-voting base. WE CAN DO THIS!!!

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
64. Or they really didn't like Trump so they voted in someone to oppose him
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:39 AM
Nov 2018

But of course the why I vote doesnt matter as much as other people's reason for voting. I want progressives in there even when I vote for a moderate right leaning Democrat.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
66. What the hell does getting things done mean? What is important is the outcome.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 08:03 AM
Nov 2018

Acting in a way just to "get things done" isn't as important as what gets done. If we have a health insurance bill that is bipartisan but leaves millions uninsured we've missed the boat.

In my opinion it is better that we stay true to our principles and fight to get control of Congress and get the best bill for all the people.

Working just to attain bipartisanship is falling short.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
69. intrigued to know which intractable problems.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 10:17 AM
Nov 2018

You have one party which has veered to the right... they have demonstrated they're not reasonable. Where's the pressure on Republicans to not be obstinate and obstruct and actually do the business of governance?

George II

(67,782 posts)
72. Looks to me like the "problem" that the "Problem Solvers Caucus" is trying to solve...
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 10:57 AM
Nov 2018

...is keeping Nancy Pelosi from being Speaker. We don't need Democrats siding with republicans to keep OUR Speaker from being elected.

They also seem to be losing effectiveness - they once had 48 members, now down to 37, and at least two aren't returning to the House in January.

Gothmog

(145,329 posts)
138. Moulton Seeks Negotiations with Pelosi
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:04 PM
Nov 2018

It seems that Nancy Pelosi is ignoring Moulton and this group https://politicalwire.com/2018/11/26/moulton-seeks-negotiations-with-pelosi/

Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) signaled that he is seeking to hold negotiations with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) “about changes to her leadership team, a development that makes her ascendancy to the speakership likelier as her opponents continue to struggle to recruit a challenger,” the Washington Post reports.

“Pelosi, however, has given no indication that she is open to talks with Moulton about a deal for the support of moderate critics, or that she would ever waver in her support for her longtime deputies, Reps. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) and James Clyburn (D-SC), who are in line to hold the No. 2 and No. 3 posts in the House next year.”

I agree with Nancy Pelosi's actions in ignoring Moultin and this group

George II

(67,782 posts)
139. Apparently he's waving the white flag? From elsewhere:
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:18 PM
Nov 2018
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/26/politics/nancy-pelosi-moulton-speaker-of-the-house/index.html

The anti-Nancy Pelosi forces just admitted defeat

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large Updated 3:28 PM EST, Mon November 26, 2018

panader0

(25,816 posts)
73. Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:00 AM
Nov 2018

Voter suppression, Russian interference and much more got the dotard
into the White House.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
76. I hate to say it there are solutions that GOP WILL NEVER AGREE WITH
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 11:48 AM
Nov 2018

and to think "bipartisanship" exist you must be blind to the govt partisanship that newt gingrich installed.

I hate to tell you, but we won with outpouring of new voters across all democraghics, not because of repuvblican voters who had a change of heart.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
80. eh we won because folks wanted a check on Trump
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:04 PM
Nov 2018

sure, they'd like bipartisanship, but they want a check on Trump.

Americans seem to have a perverse desire for divided government.

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
84. Sorry, I don't do capitulation.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:18 PM
Nov 2018

The Party of Trump (formerly the GOP) has made their choice. They have decided to stand by and say nothing in the face of Trump's attacks on our most fundamental values and institutions. These are not people worthy of being engaged in bi-partisanship.

dalton99a

(81,526 posts)
88. Bipartisanship to them is letting them destroy 90% instead of 100%
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:30 PM
Nov 2018

and getting all the blame

We are dealing not with normal people that have a different point of view, but with paid operatives and actual evil sociopaths

JHB

(37,161 posts)
86. We had an 8-year experiment in "problem solving"...
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:24 PM
Nov 2018

...arguably, more like 16 or 24.

How cooperative were the Republicans at solving problems?

still_one

(92,233 posts)
89. Bullshit. The republican party today DOESN'T WANT BIPARTISANSHIP, they have made that very clear
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:38 PM
Nov 2018

Under Obama they did NOT want to work with him on healthcare, the environment, etc. In fact they did EVERYTHING in their power to block and obstruct, and when McConnel refused to allow Obama to nominate his rightful duty of a SC justice, that was the straw that broke the camels back.

Gee, with all that republiican obstruction, what happened? The republicans won the trifecta

Why are WE the only ones expected to compromise?

This double standard is getting a little tiresome.

The ideological purity is from the republicans. They did NOT want to work with "the African American" President, and in case you haven't noticed, the republican party in Congress today has embraced the racist, sexist, bigot in the WH




SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
108. Good points and very valid. 'Ideological purtiy' is a fake word invented by repugs since they...
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:40 PM
Nov 2018

themselves showed all of us what hypocrites they actually are in voting a tax cut despite the run up in the federal debt (and they were preaching about increasing the fed. debt and the perils of doing it, and they do massively w/ the 2018 tax cut and jobs bill).

Also hypocrites in seeing issues on stuff such as the last two supreme courts justices, some of them, but still voted them in, with their fellow repugs.

Perhaps wait and see what happens and see what garbage and nonsense rump comes up with, and go from there on house direction. We already know of the issues to fix right in front of us.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
112. +1 Well said
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 03:17 PM
Nov 2018

My instincts tell me to plug my ears because I can't handle hearing this crap.

How did the overtures of these people work when the Republicans controlled the Senate & House?

Where were these overtures from the Republicans when the Democrats controlled the Senate and/or the House?

Before entertaining something like this, the criminals in power have to be out of the halls of congress.
For me, it is that simple.

still_one

(92,233 posts)
104. Lieberman isn't a Democrat, and the most incriminating thing is he campaigned against President
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:24 PM
Nov 2018

Obama for McCain and Palin.

No, he is not a good guy

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
113. So why are they trying to shove these POS down our throats
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 03:41 PM
Nov 2018

Oh Right. Nancy Pelosi, the most respected democratic leader of our time is about to make history and they know what she was able to do before and they're terrified.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
96. Baloney
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 12:50 PM
Nov 2018

Republicans have zero interest in "bipartisan solutions". All this nonsense does is drag the debate to the right where they want it.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
106. LOL.Their idea of bipartisanship is only when Democrats move more to the right
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:29 PM
Nov 2018

Fuck that and fuck the "Problem Solvers" caucus.

 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
111. None of these Republicans in this group challenged anything the Republicans did the last two years.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:47 PM
Nov 2018

They were not standing up to Trump or their party calling for bipartisan on any of the issues Republicans muscled thru. This is so obviously dishonest.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
117. Pure crap
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 04:57 PM
Nov 2018

Very few Trump voters switched their vote. Sure, there were some, but not enough to make any substantial difference. We won by getting women, minorities, and young people out to vote, and they do not want us to be Republican lite. And the independents that did vote for us this time did so because they want a different direction than the one we've been going in. Give them more of the same, and they will eventually switch back or go down the "both parties are the same" route.

Want to win future elections? Get the youth and the minorities out to vote. Millennials are the single biggest voting bloc in America, and they are overwhelmingly liberal. Most of them don't vote because they feel that there is no difference between the two parties. Give them Republican lite policies, and you will only confirm that belief. Give them a progressive agenda that values the environment, livable wages, healthcare, affordable housing, and sane foreign policy, and you will have won the future.

Your post is the same crap we've been hearing for decades, and all we've done in that time is lose ground. Centrism isn't the future. Centrism is the past, and it's one of defeat, lost time and opportunities, and failure. Time to give it up and try something new.

haele

(12,660 posts)
119. I doubt recently that the GOP "Problem Solvers" voted bipartisan much.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 05:59 PM
Nov 2018

Ryan's opposition over the years came from the right, not the "Problem Solvers" caucus.

Until they can be proven to be anything other than a coalition of Conservi-Dem Blue Dogs and "moderate" GOP Randriods who all follow the National Chamber of Commerce talking points, I don't believe they're bipartisan at all.

Just my observation.

Haele

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
120. What problems have they solved, exactly?
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:10 PM
Nov 2018

The first I've heard of them publicly is when they banded together to oppose Pelosi. Many of us don't see Nancy Pelosi as a "problem."

Autumn

(45,109 posts)
123. Next time you talk to them tell them to be ready to enjoy Republican ideological purity
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:45 PM
Nov 2018

because the fact is working across the aisle with Republicans will get us fucked and the Republicans what they want. Fuck that.

maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
125. After they've elected Donnie Short Fingers
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:50 PM
Nov 2018

and enabled all his facsist racist bullshit, I don't have one fucking second for them.

If this is the kind of country America wants in 2020, then this country can go fuck itself... I'm out.

If after all this shitshow, if we don't throw these fucksticks out on their ears, they can keep their fucked up country.

There is no compromise with these asspickles...there is only kicking the shit out of them, burying them under 40 feet of steel reinforced concrete, and then salting the ground over them.

If it takes working with Donnie Shit for Brains to save it... it's not fucking worth saving.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
126. I dont mind working with to get what the DEMS want.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:54 PM
Nov 2018

But we certainly dont want to cater to the needs of the GOP.

All House dems will be willing to work on finding bipartisan solutions to otherwise intractable problems. We need that work to lean toward the people..left

Cha

(297,323 posts)
129. Yeah, we "don't like it" because it's Gaslighting, Bogus,
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 07:36 PM
Nov 2018

and BullShit... any thinking Dem can see that.


"Ideological purity.. " my Democratic Ass. It's about Truth and Helping People with Affordable Healthcare, The Planet, and Real Justice.

Not about Fucking LIES.

Autumn

(45,109 posts)
131. The Problem Solvers Caucus is not about finding bipartisan solutions
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 08:47 PM
Nov 2018
“It’s more of a political cover operation than real legislative operation — there’s no policy product.
Tell the people you talked to that they better do their homework and do what they were sent to do. And that is not to give republicans what they want.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
132. False optimism and 'meaningful' interpretations.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 10:31 PM
Nov 2018

False optimism and 'meaningful' interpretations.

When Dubya had the WH and GOP had both Houses of Congress, the republicans were sure that it meant they were going to keep control for a long, long time (a thousand years?)

Not quite, eh?

Political parties change power quite often.
It is only temporarily meaningful.

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
133. mmm, only two days old
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 08:33 AM
Nov 2018

and this post hasn't aged well... but then, garbage usually stinks after a couple of days.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
134. In other words:
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 08:54 AM
Nov 2018

"Yay! We won the house, now we can roll up our sleeves and pass the right wing's agenda!"

Doesn't work for me.

And turnout is what happened, not a bunch of Trumpers jumping ship.

Gothmog

(145,329 posts)
137. House Problem Solvers Caucus has solved few problems, bipartisan critics allege
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:42 PM
Nov 2018

I am not impressed with this group https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/05/house-problem-solvers-caucus-has-solved-few-problems-bipartisan-critics-allege/?utm_term=.ed0298951137

“It seems to be used right now mostly for political and campaign purposes,” said Andrew Grant, a Republican challenging Rep. Ami Bera (D-Calif.) in California’s 7th Congressional District. Bera is a member of the Problem Solvers Caucus who was ranked among the bottom third for bipartisanship in the House by the Lugar Center, a nonpartisan think tank....

In addition to supporting partisan agendas, the Problem Solvers’ campaign talk about their efforts dramatically outweighs their accomplishments, the group’s critics say.....

But many members of Congress and their aides expressed skepticism, sometimes bordering on ridicule, that the organization amounted to much more than a useful talking point. Several argued the legislation cited by Reed and Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), the group’s Democratic co-chair, would have passed easily — with or without the Problem Solvers' support.

“They are just roadkill in the legislative process,” Jim Manley, who was an aide to former Senate majority leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), said of the Problem Solvers.

“Their track record is nonexistent,” said Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), a liberal member of Congress. “It’s more of a political cover operation than real legislative operation — there’s no policy product.”

I am really not impressed with this group

Gothmog

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144. Pelosi's momentum builds: 'Voting against Pelosi on the floor is a vote for the Republican'
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 07:57 PM
Nov 2018

This makes me smile https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/27/1815602/-Pelosi-s-momentum-builds-Voting-against-Pelosi-on-the-floor-is-a-vote-for-the-Republican

It’s a bad day for the #FiveWhiteGuys, as Nancy Pelosi’s bid to reclaim the speaker’s gavel is getting stronger by the hour. A series of representatives and representatives-elect have come forward to announce their support for Pelosi over Underpants Gnome strategery intended to push the party to the right.

Connecticut’s Jahana Hayes, who had said she wouldn’t support Pelosi, cut right to the chase:


Illinois’s Jesus “Chuy” Garcia said in a statement that “It is time for Democrats to come together and support a unified agenda of progressive values. I urge my freshman colleagues who are undecided to join me in supporting Leader Pelosi.”

According to New Hampshire’s Chris Pappas, “after careful consideration and discussion with many constituents and future colleagues in Congress … I believe [Pelosi] is best equipped to lead the House at this point in our history.”
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