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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTo those venting about the "Problem Solvers Caucus", here's a comment you aren't going to like...
The Problem Solvers Caucus believes in finding bipartisan solutions to otherwise intractable problems. If you believe that the only acceptable position for Democrats is to stand in opposition to all Republicans, then be prepared to lose the House majority in 2020. We won because voters who had supported Trump and Republicans in 2016 switch to look for an alternative, NOT because they all became progressives. We won because voters in tossup districts (not safe Blue ones) switched their vote. These voters want to get things done, and they don't want ideological purity (on either side) get in the way.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)He is the most divisive person of all.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)manor321
(3,344 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)and other conservative dark money groups. Never, ever trust anything Joe Liebermans a part of.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have groups trying to improve bipartisan agreement. In fact, as a whole, belief in the need for bipartisan agreement is a DEFINING characteristic of Democrats as a whole. That's because liberal representative republics must have that to function and survive, and the Democrats are the liberal party. In this era, we're the ones.
Any group that carries that as its basic purpose is probably good but could always be derailed and turned to dark purposes. Misogyny is extremely broad and entrenched. Wherever a woman has something men want, it becomes a passion and weapon. I just saw yet another new Nancy needs to resign in 2 years or we'll lose 2020 article yesterday, from a respected scholar yet. I've never read one on that theme EVER about a male leader.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Works for me.
George II
(67,782 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)That's another good one, yes.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)sheshe2
(83,793 posts)Voltaire2
(13,070 posts)Why yes they are. In fact this is the only faction openly fighting against her.
So you support them? Really? Opposing Pelosi is only wrong if it is from the left?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The allies they embrace to get it done.
George II
(67,782 posts)WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)who want to derail the best House Speaker of our time. Spiritual pride is a great sin in all religions.
Gothmog
(145,329 posts)This story makes me smile. Moulton comes off looking like a putsch https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/26/speaker-nancy-pelosi-revolt-seth-moulton-222686
And yet shes still here.
Pelosi strides into Wednesdays House Democratic Caucus elections with her head held high, and her high heels on Moultons neck. She remains without a Democratic challenger. She has unleashed a wave of support from the Democratic faithful, from Barack Obama on down. She turned two of Moultons allies who had, just days before, stated their opposition to her. A third opponent suggested hell vote for Pelosi on the floor if no other Democratic option emerges. And she has kept several other Serve America PAC alumni from jumping aboard Moultons rickety bandwagon. While Pelosi isnt completely in the clear for the final vote on January 3 on the House floorwith Moulton clinging to 14 fellow holdouts and eight other Democrats in the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus playing hard to getshe unquestionably holds the whip hand.
Dumping a historic figure like Pelosi, the first female speaker, after she weathered a Republican blitzkrieg to help her party win back the House, was always going to be a tall order. (And dont say I didnt warn them!) But Moultons operation has been, to borrow some military jargon, FUBAR. Hes poised to not only lose his battle with the party establishment, but to lose in such humiliating fashion that it could ruin his reputation and douse whatever presidential fires may be burning in his belly.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...that they want to make sure Trump doesnt have the chance to get anything else done?
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)They want something done about health care, education and retirement, according to House candidates I've talked to. NONE of the candidates I've met with said Donald Trump was a big issue.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)M'kay
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And the "problem solvers" are at odds with that.
One member, my Representative, Dan Lipinski, voted against that ACA because he is anti-choice.
And if the funding for the "problem solvers" caucus comes from conservative groups, and that funding included funding an ad that accused Lipinski's 2018 primary opponent of being a Holocaust denier, I will assume that they will do anything to prevent an actual progressive from defeating Lipinski.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211469385
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The ACA, as we all know, was a modified version of a Heritage foundation idea. Hardly enforcing one party's will.
And the 60 votes to repeal the ACA showed how much the GOP wanted to work together.
My view is that this caucus is designed to push the debate to the right under the guise of searching for compromise. And that is standard GOP practice.
And those of us who know Lipinski know what he is.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Republicans disliked the plan ( of course they wanted to obstruct Obama too )
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/12/the-affordable-care-act-is-not-remotely-similar-to-the-heritage-plan
"The ACA contains many long-standing liberal priorities expanding Medicaid, regulating the health care industry, providing substantial subsidies for real insurance that the Heritage plan manifestly does not. And the Heritage plan includes many horrible ideas that the ACA did not contain. But acknowledging the massive, fundamental differences between the ACA and the Potemkin Heritage plan differences of kind, not of degree makes it harder to advance the narrative that the flaws in the ACA result from Barack Obamas abiding hatred of the very idea of federal intervention into the health care market. If Obama had actually proposed something like the Heritage plan, it would actually be fair to call him a neoliberal stooge. But he didnt, and the differences between the Heritage plan and the ACA disprove the charge conclusively."
LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)Wintryjade
(814 posts)was in the vote in July of 2017? Three costs that were covered in December of 2016 were not covered again in spring of 2108. Somewhere along the way, insurance companies were empowered to not follow ACA guidelines.
I do not trust them at all> They are about reducing social security and medicare. They are not about us, the people but corporations.
Me.
(35,454 posts)or a quote?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)If that. So the "problem solving" democrats should work within their own caucus to get some of their ideas implemented.
Me.
(35,454 posts)I remember several discharge petitions where socalled moderate republicans were going to work with democrats to force a vote on meaningful legistlation. IT NEVER HAPPENED BECAUSE THOSE REPUBLICANS BACKED THEIR PARTY AT CRUCHTIME.
Look, I welcome sane republican voters to vote with us at election time, those people are Patriots and have no other option. But what can't happen is they expect to tell democratic Reps how to conduct business. If they can't accept that democrats will push legistlation that is important to democrats, then they should go back into their party and try to flush out the crazies from it, good luck to them in that case, because they will need luck.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and by doing so aided and abetted, for it is well known that silence equals assent. So if any DEm thinks we should be following their lead they need to be held accountable for failing the people who worked so hard to put them in power and remove the harm of a Con led House.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)UncleTomsEvilBrother
(945 posts)...I can't wait until I see the Problem Solvers Caucus over in the Senate. That's actually a comment you won't like.
erronis
(15,303 posts)Rather then offer concrete solutions.
Voltaire2
(13,070 posts)painfully clear that it is their way or the highway. So, it case you missed the last 10 years, that means that our working together will mean capitulation.
We will certainly lose again if we once more as a party run away from our principles and demonstrate clearly that we stand for nothing.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Republicans did not seek input from democrats at all. Voters want results that make sense to them, they really don't care overall how produce those results.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)for fairness or bi partisan. That tells us how seriously they want to work with Democrats. Did they vote for the tax cut for the rich? Destroy ACA? The are not inclined to bipartisan.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,013 posts)Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)there is no mutual compromise that occurs. Or put it this way, we give a mile, they give an inch. That doesn't buy it anymore. That's exactly why many Ds don't come out and vote. When we create the results that would be Democrats want and expect, then they will vote. Sure, they may vote in greater numbers to simply get rid of Trump in 2020, but it won't last if we keep giving (compromising our positions and goals) significantly more than the GOP does in the name of bipartisan solutions. More like BS solutions; our potential public won't buy it.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)give an inch. They don't need to. They are bought and paid for and their base is too unaware to see it. They can't be reasoned with because that would require that they gave a shit. Reaching across the aisle is only doing the bidding of our corporate masters....so fuck that.
shanny
(6,709 posts)AND are funded by a bunch of 1%ers whose desires are at odds with Americans in General and the people on this board in particular.
So yes, your OP will be unpopular.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)I think you have made an incorrect assumption. People switched their vote to put a leash on Twitler. The repubs that urged voters to back dem candidates did so for that very reason. It has nothing to do with getting anything done.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)Because the many candidates I met with say otherwise.
atreides1
(16,079 posts)And candidates don't lie???
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)But its apparently okay if they vote for Pelosi?
sheshe2
(83,793 posts)brooklynite
(94,602 posts)Kyrsten Sinema (AZ)
Jackey Rosen (NV)
Phil Bredesen (TN)
Sherrod Brown (OH)
Tina Smith (MN)
Bill Nelson (FL)
Kirsten Gillibrand (NY)
PA-17 Conor Lamb
AZ-02 Ann Kirkpatrick
IA-01 Abby Finkenauer
MN-02 Angie Craig
PA-07 Susan Wild
VA-10 Jennifer Wexton
CA-10 Josh Harder
IL-12 Brendan Kelly
KY-06 Amy McGrath
MI-08 Elissa Slotkin
NJ-03 Andy Kim
NY-19 Antonio Delgado
NY-22 Anthony Brindisi
OH-01 Aftab Pureval
GA-06 Lucy McBath
TX-23 Gina Ortiz-Jones
TX-31 M.J. Hegar
WI-01 Randy Bryce
WV-03 Richard Ojeda
MI-07 Gretchen Driskell
NY-11 Max Rose
OH-14 Betsy Rader
NV-03 Susie Lee
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)Find the name Donald Trump anywhere in it.
Find any battleground House candidate who mentions Donald Trump on their webpage.
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)If they mention Trump on their webpage? Sheesh.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)said that voters didn't bring up Trump, and neither did they.
Where's your evidence?
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)Dems or repubs? Dem voters aren't going to speak to dem candidates about Trump. Repubs who voted for a dem candidate probable wouldn't have talked to them at all. People who take the time to talk to a candidate are very political which is definitely not representative of the general electorate.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)I live in Schrier's district. I got all her campaign materials. By far THE most common thread in her campaign was that she was the candidate who would be the most resolute fighter against Trump. (Shes also NOT part of the anti-Pelosi bloc, FWIW.)
By using my congresswoman as an example, you have only proven that you dont have the slightest clue of what youre talking about.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)dalton99a
(81,526 posts)Expanding Medicare to All through An Immediate Public Option
The Trump administration and House Republicans have taken every opportunity to undermine state health insurance exchanges. ...
Empowering Women through Healthcare
... Donald Trump has promised to nominate judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade, putting womens lives and health at risk. It is more critical than ever that we send pro-choice champions to Congress to stand up against these attacks and keep our country from sliding backward.
Immigration
Diversity makes America great. Most of us come from immigrant families, and I have served many as a pediatrician. Yet the Trump Administration is targeting and instilling panic in the very communities that have helped build this country.
No ones child should live with the constant anxiety of being torn away from the only life she or he has ever known. No one should be discriminated in the workplace or harassed in the streets because of where they were born. It is our responsibility to link arms with our immigrant neighbors and stand against hate.
I will seek to overturn Donald Trumps travel ban which was clearly crafted to deny entry to our country based on religion.
I will oppose any expenditure of your tax dollars to build an unnecessary and unaffordable wall on our southern border....
etc. etc.
still_one
(92,233 posts)Autumn
(45,109 posts)sheshe2
(83,793 posts)blogslut
(38,002 posts)The man behind No Labels/Problem Solvers is (was) Pete Peterson. His prime directive was gutting social welfare programs.
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Peter_Peterson
https://web.archive.org/web/20120321123813/http://www.nolabels.org/partners
https://web.archive.org/web/20120403141109/http://crfb.org:80/
https://web.archive.org/web/20120421234029/http://budgetreform.org/
The old bastard may have just died but I doubt the mission has changed. No Labels is just more rich guy astroturf.
Also: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/the-slick-no-labels-effor_b_1678389.html
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Thanks.
dalton99a
(81,526 posts)according to Wikipedia
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Same funders as No Labels.
And No Labels funded Lipinski. :vomit:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/bipartisan-no-labels-2018-super-pac-network-chicago-donors/
One of the super PACs, United for Progress Inc., has spent $740,334 as of Sunday to bolster Rep. Dan Lipinski
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)We must not negotiate with terrorists. There's no compromising with neo-Nazis.
denbot
(9,900 posts)Problem solved!
brush
(53,792 posts)His horrors won't stop. In 2020 we'll keep the House and gain the Senate as, unlike this year, twice as many repug seats are up for election. In 2022 also.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)How many "moderate" republicans are left in the House after retirements and November 6? If there are no republicans left in the group, why can't the democrats work within their own caucus to get some of what they want?
Squinch
(50,955 posts)sheshe2
(83,793 posts)RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:15 AM - Edit history (1)
come together and get things done. What they don't understand is that the parties are so disparate in there views, that there is not enough common ground to come together on. In 2020 the Democrats will control the House, the Senate and the presidency, and that is when things will get accomplished. In the summer of 2020 there will be one or two leaders in the Democratic nomination for President. They will be the voices of the party; not Nancy Pelosi.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Republican politician have become very extreme. The only way to compromise with them is to give them what THEY want. When in power they made NO attempt to seek input from democrats, the tax bill (and other House bills), and the holdup of Garland and the Kavanaugh hearings in the Senate are prime examples. When republicans have power, they do not care AT ALL about what the input from politicians on our side are, they simple ram stuff through, even if that means withholding all information from democrats (as the tax bill and Kavanaugh hearings showed). Screw republican politicians, we should take control of all of government and treat them the way they treated our Reps.
If the socalled concerned republican voters that the OP mentioned want something different, then they should nominate politicians from their party that believe in the give and take that good government requires.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Republicans need to bend over backwards to work with Democrats to insure our rights. I don't believe I need to list them for you since you're well aware of them. And I also believe that you're aware that the Republicans have not been interested in the rights and well being of ordinary Americans.
still_one
(92,233 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)erronis
(15,303 posts)Seems like it can't defend its position.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)8, 10, 14, 15, 17, 34, 39
erronis
(15,303 posts)winstars
(4,220 posts)including me...
While I am actually unsure about his original idea of this post, what I do know as DU'er since Day 1 here that Brooklynite has insight and facts through his personal and private activities that many of us do not.
I am not saying we need to disagree or agree with a single word in the OP, but I am saying that this Du'er is worth hearing out.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)He may be plugged in, but I'm old and I have a memory and I remember how he helped lose the 2000 race. Don't shove that POS in my face, thank you very much.
I'm waiting to hear him out.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)nor do their constituents. That plays out in votes on legislation, on amendments, on priorities. They will score some wins against some stances I would prefer. Got it, but this to me is different. This is trying to hijack the entire Democratic Caucus, to use political blackmail to either get their way or deny that Caucus the leadership it overwhelmingly prefers. This is on the meta level, and no I am not sympathetic to their position. I don't approve of a tail demanding to wag the dog.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Celerity
(43,419 posts)https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25135465/nancy-pelosi-speaker-race-problem-solvers-caucus/
The Hill has turned from a reliable Capitol Hill tip-sheet into a clickbait farm of the highest order, but it's also still well-wired into what's going on in the national legislature. So, on Thursday, it was no surprise to find that it was The Hill that sent the feline screeching from the burlap.
[Rep. Tom] Reed, co-chairman of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus (Reed voted 97% of the time with TRUMP), said the growing frustration with gridlock, polarization and a top-heavy leadership approach in Congress are the reasons why several members in his party are willing to supply Pelosi with some Speaker votes in exchange for extracting an overhaul of the House rules
.
I would be willing, as a Republican on the floor of the House, to support a Speaker candidate, including Nancy Pelosi, who supports these rule reforms, Reed said at an event for The Hill sponsored by American University's School of Public Affairs and the Kennedy Political Union.
There are other members that are as committed as I am to this on the Republican side that are willing to do that. But Ill let them address it individually, he added. Nancy Pelosi, who did not arrive at the Capitol Thursday morning on a turnip truck, was ready for this shell game.
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House Problem Solvers Caucus has solved few problems, bipartisan critics allege
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/05/house-problem-solvers-caucus-has-solved-few-problems-bipartisan-critics-allege/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9053dbceb93a
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Democrats in particular say that by supporting the group, members of their own party have given political cover to lawmakers with conservative voting records without forcing those same lawmakers to take concrete action to stall Republican legislation on health care or taxes. The caucuss Republican members have on average voted in line with the White Houses position 93 percent of the time, according to calculations based on FiveThirtyEights vote tracker, with at least nine Republicans in the group doing so more than 95 percent of the time.
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Grant said months ago he called friends who work as Republican staffers in the Capitol to ask about the Problem Solvers. Everyone I talked to said, This group has done almost nothing, Grant said. Rep. Lloyd Smucker (R-Pa.), who has voted in line with President Trump about 96 percent of the time, has mentioned his involvement in the Problem Solvers group in every debate. More than 110 House Republicans nearly half the caucus have more bipartisan voting records than Smucker, according to the Lugar Center.
[Smucker] can use it to say, Look, Im working across the aisle, even though he is 100 percent in line with Donald Trump, doesnt hold any moderate positions and takes a ton of corporate money, Jess King, his Democratic opponent, said of the Problem Solvers group. People truly dont understand what its all about, and it keeps coming up.
Rep. Tom Reed (R-N.Y.), who has voted with Trump about 97 percent of the time, is the Republican co-chair of the caucus and uses it as his number one talking point like its obsessive, all the time; all the time, said Tracy Mitrano, his Democratic opponent. The Buffalo News, in endorsing Reed, cited his work in the Problem Solvers as a key justification, as did the York Daily Record in Pennsylvania when endorsing Smucker. Smucker and Reed both voted for the plan to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and they voted for Trumps tax law last fall, two highly contentious and overwhelmingly partisan votes. Although they have more moderate voting records than the bulk of their caucus, many Republicans in the Problem Solvers caucus supported both efforts.
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The Slick No Labels Plan to Duck Debate, Cut Social Security and Coddle the 1% (2012)
No Labels is the creation of overpaid political insiders who work hand-in-glove with longtime opponents of Social Security and Medicare, pushing the agenda of the wealthiest among us by exploiting the publics understandable frustration with gridlocked government.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/the-slick-no-labels-effor_b_1678389.html
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Who are they?
McKinnon worked on George W. Bushs campaign before becoming a senior executive at Hill & Knowlton, the Beltway PR firm whose clients prior to his joining included the tobacco industry as it tried to suppress proof that cigarettes cause cancer, and Bank of Commerce and Credit International after it was hit with faced drug-money laundering charges. It continues to represent a variety of dictatorships around the world, and is currently helping the oil and gas industry confuse the public about the health implications of fracking.
Jacobson worked for Bill Clinton, conservative Democrat turned Chamber of Commerce lobbyist Evan Bayh, and and the right-leaning Democratic Leadership Council, and has a raised large sums of money for centrist (right-leaning) Democratic candidates. She also reportedly worked as a de facto industry lobbyist, as a PAC Director raising money for Congressional candidates sympathetic to her industrys interests.[1] She is married to another Washington insider, Mark Penn, who is the CEO of Burson-Marsteller.
Walker is a longtime associate of right-wing billionaire Pete Peterson (who, as his press staff never fails to reminds me, sometimes also funds less political areas of economic research through his Foundation.) Walkers work with Peterson, however, has been dedicated for many many years to the single-minded pursuit of a policy package that would cut Social Security and Medicare benefits while simultaneously lowering the top tax rate for the wealthiest Americans.
That agenda forms the basis of an American austerity program similar to that which is currently devastating Europes economy, and which has been packaged for domestic US consumption as the Simpson Bowles plan.
Bait and Switch
No Labels has a clever two-fold strategy: First, it packages far-right ideas as those of the political mainstream by ignoring polling data and instead finding members of the Washington elite in both parties - righting Clintonian Democrats, plus Republicans - willing to present them as a consensus view. Then it packages those proposals along with good ideas - and good-sounding ideas - so that it looks like they are the reasonable people in a world full of extremists of the left and right.
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SWBTATTReg
(22,143 posts)pecosbob
(7,541 posts)You either support the billionaires or the people...
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Doremus
(7,261 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)or rarely vote in midterms at all, much less voted for Trump or Republicans. Especially those who are younger,(GenX and Millenials) seem to be motivated by to have the Democratic party stymie the Republican agenda. This Midterm had the highest turnout since Watergate, for crying out loud, why would anyone think bipartisanship should be on the agenda now?
question everything
(47,487 posts)For example, the ACA can use some twekaing. Get to work on it.
Change the "tax reform" law that punishes low and middle income tax payers. Start be returning the exemption - $4,000 per person - and phase it out for higher income.
Allow taxpayers to take credit for Long-term care insurance.
etc.
lilactime
(657 posts)ooky
(8,924 posts)that would be our ideologic purity for health care.
lilactime
(657 posts)brooklynite
(94,602 posts)You support universal health care and reject any partial solution that might improve what we currently have.
lilactime
(657 posts)means pure harm.
nclib
(1,013 posts)Rather than republicans switched their votes.
Autumn
(45,109 posts)It's a load of horse shit to say otherwise. .
nclib
(1,013 posts)Most republicans aren't going to vote for democrats no matter how odious their candidate is.
ooky
(8,924 posts)"If you believe that the only acceptable position for Democrats is to stand in opposition to all Republicans, then be prepared to lose the House majority in 2020."
I don't believe that but I still oppose this caucus demand. They introduce themselves by blackmailing our leader? To change House rules that our voters didn't vote for us to change? While I don't doubt our voters want solutions, giving all House members the ability to push bills in the House wasn't their mandate either. That's a leadership role and I'm pretty sure our voters didn't vote for us to give that up.
If they want to have a "problem solving caucus" fine, but why do we need to change the rules for that? Let's see how sincere they really are with their bipartisanship by working through our normal process and rules. My guess is we will find out quickly that the Republican side of that "caucus" will be no more agreeable to anything good for Americans than they have previously been willing to do, which of course is nothing unless you are in the 1%. This seems to me as an attempt to cut off our leader and divide house democrats against one another.
KPN
(15,646 posts)over again. The Rs don't compromise, we do. That's not bipartisanship, that's BS. It's also the reason many would be Democrat non-voters don't vote. If we want to perpetuate non-voters, buy into this bullshit gimmick.
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)they can to save their sorry asses in 2020. Stopping Pelosi right at the start would be a massive gift for them.
I'd like to see Dem activists crowd these Dem politicians offices, just like what was done to Republicans, and let them know that they are on notice to cut this crap out, or they can look forward to being primaried next time. It's too important to be stabbing the Democratic Party in the back like this.
allgood33
(1,584 posts)Billionaires know that is our weakness. Throw a "bipartisan bone" in back yard and we will scramble over each other to get it while the GOP bands together chew on the bone full of their nasty racist, greedy, fascist meat.
We are always the ones who must compromise. We don't need to compromise with anyone except each other. We need to band together around our values and agenda. That means that we moderate among ourselves when necessary and move forward with our own bold, but believable policies. We don't need to reach across the aisle to people with clenched fists. We need to hand across the aisle our policies stamped with our values and dare those on the other side to turn their backs. We need to clearly demonstrate who is really FOR THE PEOPLE and who is really FOR SPECIAL INTERESTS AND THE 1%. We need to do it persistently, loudly, daily, nightly. If the media doesn't carry our true message then we need to take it back home to our own organized town halls using the modern technology of webinars and conference call-meet ups. We need a new way of communicating with voters that is not controlled, sliced and diced by the MSM and cable networks. The technology is there and we haven't yet put it to best use. Voters may find it difficult to get out to some town hall meetings but we can carry those meetings to them via videos and live direct videos. WE CAN DO THIS if we stop fighting among ourselves and take what we need from the pot of progressive and traditional Democratic positions and values and present it in simple, realistic terms while educating our base and attracting others. WE NEED MORE ENERGY INTO INFORMING OUR BASE AND THOSE AROUND THEM ABOUT THE "UNSPINNED" ISSUES AND WHO IS REALLY STANDING IN THE WAY OF SOLUTIONS TO OUR NATIONAL PROBLEMS. A SHARING OF FACTS AND TRUTHS THAT THEY NEVER SEE OR HEAR FROM CABLE OR NETWORK NEWS. WE PUT IT OUT THERE SO THAT THE OPPOSITION CAN HACK IT AND SPREAD IT FOR US. We need new ways to educate, motivate, and energize our non-voting base. WE CAN DO THIS!!!
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)But of course the why I vote doesnt matter as much as other people's reason for voting. I want progressives in there even when I vote for a moderate right leaning Democrat.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Acting in a way just to "get things done" isn't as important as what gets done. If we have a health insurance bill that is bipartisan but leaves millions uninsured we've missed the boat.
In my opinion it is better that we stay true to our principles and fight to get control of Congress and get the best bill for all the people.
Working just to attain bipartisanship is falling short.
JHan
(10,173 posts)You have one party which has veered to the right... they have demonstrated they're not reasonable. Where's the pressure on Republicans to not be obstinate and obstruct and actually do the business of governance?
George II
(67,782 posts)...is keeping Nancy Pelosi from being Speaker. We don't need Democrats siding with republicans to keep OUR Speaker from being elected.
They also seem to be losing effectiveness - they once had 48 members, now down to 37, and at least two aren't returning to the House in January.
still_one
(92,233 posts)Gothmog
(145,329 posts)It seems that Nancy Pelosi is ignoring Moulton and this group https://politicalwire.com/2018/11/26/moulton-seeks-negotiations-with-pelosi/
Pelosi, however, has given no indication that she is open to talks with Moulton about a deal for the support of moderate critics, or that she would ever waver in her support for her longtime deputies, Reps. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) and James Clyburn (D-SC), who are in line to hold the No. 2 and No. 3 posts in the House next year.
I agree with Nancy Pelosi's actions in ignoring Moultin and this group
George II
(67,782 posts)The anti-Nancy Pelosi forces just admitted defeat
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large Updated 3:28 PM EST, Mon November 26, 2018
panader0
(25,816 posts)Voter suppression, Russian interference and much more got the dotard
into the White House.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)and to think "bipartisanship" exist you must be blind to the govt partisanship that newt gingrich installed.
I hate to tell you, but we won with outpouring of new voters across all democraghics, not because of repuvblican voters who had a change of heart.
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)sure, they'd like bipartisanship, but they want a check on Trump.
Americans seem to have a perverse desire for divided government.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)The Party of Trump (formerly the GOP) has made their choice. They have decided to stand by and say nothing in the face of Trump's attacks on our most fundamental values and institutions. These are not people worthy of being engaged in bi-partisanship.
dalton99a
(81,526 posts)and getting all the blame
We are dealing not with normal people that have a different point of view, but with paid operatives and actual evil sociopaths
JHB
(37,161 posts)...arguably, more like 16 or 24.
How cooperative were the Republicans at solving problems?
still_one
(92,233 posts)still_one
(92,233 posts)Under Obama they did NOT want to work with him on healthcare, the environment, etc. In fact they did EVERYTHING in their power to block and obstruct, and when McConnel refused to allow Obama to nominate his rightful duty of a SC justice, that was the straw that broke the camels back.
Gee, with all that republiican obstruction, what happened? The republicans won the trifecta
Why are WE the only ones expected to compromise?
This double standard is getting a little tiresome.
The ideological purity is from the republicans. They did NOT want to work with "the African American" President, and in case you haven't noticed, the republican party in Congress today has embraced the racist, sexist, bigot in the WH
SWBTATTReg
(22,143 posts)themselves showed all of us what hypocrites they actually are in voting a tax cut despite the run up in the federal debt (and they were preaching about increasing the fed. debt and the perils of doing it, and they do massively w/ the 2018 tax cut and jobs bill).
Also hypocrites in seeing issues on stuff such as the last two supreme courts justices, some of them, but still voted them in, with their fellow repugs.
Perhaps wait and see what happens and see what garbage and nonsense rump comes up with, and go from there on house direction. We already know of the issues to fix right in front of us.
still_one
(92,233 posts)Jarqui
(10,126 posts)My instincts tell me to plug my ears because I can't handle hearing this crap.
How did the overtures of these people work when the Republicans controlled the Senate & House?
Where were these overtures from the Republicans when the Democrats controlled the Senate and/or the House?
Before entertaining something like this, the criminals in power have to be out of the halls of congress.
For me, it is that simple.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)Since the F when? You are too drunk on your proximity to power.
still_one
(92,233 posts)Obama for McCain and Palin.
No, he is not a good guy
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)Oh Right. Nancy Pelosi, the most respected democratic leader of our time is about to make history and they know what she was able to do before and they're terrified.
still_one
(92,233 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Republicans have zero interest in "bipartisan solutions". All this nonsense does is drag the debate to the right where they want it.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Fuck that and fuck the "Problem Solvers" caucus.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)They were not standing up to Trump or their party calling for bipartisan on any of the issues Republicans muscled thru. This is so obviously dishonest.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Very few Trump voters switched their vote. Sure, there were some, but not enough to make any substantial difference. We won by getting women, minorities, and young people out to vote, and they do not want us to be Republican lite. And the independents that did vote for us this time did so because they want a different direction than the one we've been going in. Give them more of the same, and they will eventually switch back or go down the "both parties are the same" route.
Want to win future elections? Get the youth and the minorities out to vote. Millennials are the single biggest voting bloc in America, and they are overwhelmingly liberal. Most of them don't vote because they feel that there is no difference between the two parties. Give them Republican lite policies, and you will only confirm that belief. Give them a progressive agenda that values the environment, livable wages, healthcare, affordable housing, and sane foreign policy, and you will have won the future.
Your post is the same crap we've been hearing for decades, and all we've done in that time is lose ground. Centrism isn't the future. Centrism is the past, and it's one of defeat, lost time and opportunities, and failure. Time to give it up and try something new.
haele
(12,660 posts)Ryan's opposition over the years came from the right, not the "Problem Solvers" caucus.
Until they can be proven to be anything other than a coalition of Conservi-Dem Blue Dogs and "moderate" GOP Randriods who all follow the National Chamber of Commerce talking points, I don't believe they're bipartisan at all.
Just my observation.
Haele
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)The first I've heard of them publicly is when they banded together to oppose Pelosi. Many of us don't see Nancy Pelosi as a "problem."
Autumn
(45,109 posts)because the fact is working across the aisle with Republicans will get us fucked and the Republicans what they want. Fuck that.
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)and enabled all his facsist racist bullshit, I don't have one fucking second for them.
If this is the kind of country America wants in 2020, then this country can go fuck itself... I'm out.
If after all this shitshow, if we don't throw these fucksticks out on their ears, they can keep their fucked up country.
There is no compromise with these asspickles...there is only kicking the shit out of them, burying them under 40 feet of steel reinforced concrete, and then salting the ground over them.
If it takes working with Donnie Shit for Brains to save it... it's not fucking worth saving.
lancelyons
(988 posts)But we certainly dont want to cater to the needs of the GOP.
All House dems will be willing to work on finding bipartisan solutions to otherwise intractable problems. We need that work to lean toward the people..left
Cha
(297,323 posts)and BullShit... any thinking Dem can see that.
"Ideological purity.. " my Democratic Ass. It's about Truth and Helping People with Affordable Healthcare, The Planet, and Real Justice.
Not about Fucking LIES.
Autumn
(45,109 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)False optimism and 'meaningful' interpretations.
When Dubya had the WH and GOP had both Houses of Congress, the republicans were sure that it meant they were going to keep control for a long, long time (a thousand years?)
Not quite, eh?
Political parties change power quite often.
It is only temporarily meaningful.
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)and this post hasn't aged well... but then, garbage usually stinks after a couple of days.
Voltaire2
(13,070 posts)Bettie
(16,110 posts)"Yay! We won the house, now we can roll up our sleeves and pass the right wing's agenda!"
Doesn't work for me.
And turnout is what happened, not a bunch of Trumpers jumping ship.
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)Gothmog
(145,329 posts)I am not impressed with this group https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/05/house-problem-solvers-caucus-has-solved-few-problems-bipartisan-critics-allege/?utm_term=.ed0298951137
In addition to supporting partisan agendas, the Problem Solvers campaign talk about their efforts dramatically outweighs their accomplishments, the groups critics say.....
But many members of Congress and their aides expressed skepticism, sometimes bordering on ridicule, that the organization amounted to much more than a useful talking point. Several argued the legislation cited by Reed and Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), the groups Democratic co-chair, would have passed easily with or without the Problem Solvers' support.
They are just roadkill in the legislative process, Jim Manley, who was an aide to former Senate majority leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), said of the Problem Solvers.
Their track record is nonexistent, said Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), a liberal member of Congress. Its more of a political cover operation than real legislative operation theres no policy product.
I am really not impressed with this group
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Gothmog
(145,329 posts)Gothmog
(145,329 posts)This makes me smile https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/27/1815602/-Pelosi-s-momentum-builds-Voting-against-Pelosi-on-the-floor-is-a-vote-for-the-Republican
Connecticuts Jahana Hayes, who had said she wouldnt support Pelosi, cut right to the chase:
Link to tweet
Illinoiss Jesus Chuy Garcia said in a statement that It is time for Democrats to come together and support a unified agenda of progressive values. I urge my freshman colleagues who are undecided to join me in supporting Leader Pelosi.
According to New Hampshires Chris Pappas, after careful consideration and discussion with many constituents and future colleagues in Congress I believe [Pelosi] is best equipped to lead the House at this point in our history.