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(85,996 posts)
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:29 AM Nov 2018

Ocasio-Cortez fires back at Lindsey Graham: 'Stop pretending authoritarianism is a thing of the past

The Hill @thehill 10m10 minutes ago
Ocasio-Cortez fires back at Lindsey Graham: Stop pretending authoritarianism is a thing of the past http://hill.cm/1VySmvC

Ocasio-Cortez was responding to a tweet from Graham telling her to “take a tour of the Holocaust Museum” after she compared Central American migrants to Jewish families fleeing Nazi Germany.

“This administration has jailed children and violated human rights. Perhaps we should stop pretending that authoritarianism + violence is a historical event instead of a growing force," she tweeted.




“I recommend she take a tour of the Holocaust Museum in DC,” Graham tweeted. “Might help her better understand the differences between the Holocaust and the caravan in Tijuana.”

His comment was in response to a Sunday tweet in which the incoming lawmaker wrote: “Asking to be considered a refugee & applying for status isn’t a crime."

"It wasn’t for Jewish families fleeing Germany," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “It wasn’t for targeted families fleeing Rwanda. It wasn’t for communities fleeing war-torn Syria. And it isn’t for those fleeing violence in Central America."

She suggested he visit the Smithsonian Museum of African-American History and Culture.



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Ocasio-Cortez fires back at Lindsey Graham: 'Stop pretending authoritarianism is a thing of the past (Original Post) bigtree Nov 2018 OP
K&R ck4829 Nov 2018 #1
She ain't skeert!! nt Ferrets are Cool Nov 2018 #2
No she ain't... gotta love Alexandria!! Too bad she's not old enough to run for Prez... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #51
Not yet, anyway. calimary Nov 2018 #67
Right, her youthfulness is a good thing. Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2018 #77
She sure told him. I like that she's directing her feistiness towards repugs. brush Dec 2018 #76
I like her malaise Nov 2018 #3
Me too n/t Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #7
Same here! ananda Nov 2018 #15
Yup! Me too. fierywoman Nov 2018 #50
I'll go so far as to say I LOVE her!! She will be a force to reckon with, no doubt! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #52
Ditto. She's not going to take their shit. SMC22307 Nov 2018 #62
Graham needs to revisit the Holocaust Musem atreides1 Nov 2018 #4
I didn't know that about Woolthworth's. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #44
Oh, the legendary candy counter got a lot of our pennies! eleny Nov 2018 #47
Looks like a lot of our most 'esteemed' citizens need to visit this museum and learn their ... SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #56
Great link Celerity Nov 2018 #70
Brava! demmiblue Nov 2018 #5
Thank you. H2O Man Nov 2018 #11
It started exactly like that. It started by Mira Nov 2018 #12
Thank you for the photo, Mira GeoWilliam750 Nov 2018 #64
Wow, that is hauntingly powerful sculpture. demmiblue Nov 2018 #72
Lindsey gonna need some burn cream! Cracklin Charlie Nov 2018 #6
He can use the extra for other places that burn. erronis Nov 2018 #36
(he'd better order some buckets of it to put in his casket..... lastlib Nov 2018 #40
I hope some Democrats stop calling her NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #8
They won't.. it's an agenda.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #17
I've seen the meme on Twitter NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #18
Than they are not progressive than... disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #19
I think they're people that associate her NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #21
Bingo... disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #23
In all fairness, people associate her w/Bernie because she wants it that way. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #57
No one said the "agenda" was in associating AOC with Bernie. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #66
My response was to post:"I think they're people who associate her with Bernie Sanders." Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author demmiblue Nov 2018 #73
Huh? DownriverDem Nov 2018 #33
I agree, the party can and does evolve. The power brokers still have their agendas, however. erronis Nov 2018 #34
People that have been on her since she beat Crowley.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #43
"they fear what she represents" CrispyQ Nov 2018 #45
Damn right!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #68
She's very VERY good, elleng Nov 2018 #31
I like her. Polly Hennessey Nov 2018 #9
AOC...You Go Girl!! Buffalo Soldier Nov 2018 #10
She does not let bullshit slip past her. Excellent!!!! nt Blue_true Nov 2018 #13
this is how you do it... dhill926 Nov 2018 #14
Ocasio-Cortez, stop picking on the weak minded. dae Nov 2018 #16
There are new Democrats in town. Yavin4 Nov 2018 #20
Lindsay Ought to Read Up SDJay Nov 2018 #22
Good Call ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #24
Gender war shot over the bow:male dominators try to invalidate women's opinions unauthorized by men. ancianita Nov 2018 #25
+1,000. Short reply with tons of truth. erronis Nov 2018 #37
... ancianita Nov 2018 #38
I am beginning to like her more and more. She definitely will be on the GOP target list. allgood33 Nov 2018 #26
I like to think/hope that her brilliance, youth, intelligence...I could go on... libdem4life Nov 2018 #27
I like what she's been saying since she's met some Hortensis Nov 2018 #28
Brava! nt tblue37 Nov 2018 #29
Well said Rep. Ocasio Cortez. Well done The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #30
the single saving grave for Cortez is she can go after the likes of the Grahams and take it beachbum bob Nov 2018 #32
AOC is correct. When Jews fled Nazi Germany they had trouble getting asylum status. apnu Nov 2018 #35
And, I expect, we will see much more of this in the future with global displacements erronis Nov 2018 #39
Yup. WW2 ended 70+ years ago and we haven't improved much since. apnu Nov 2018 #41
Indeed ck4829 Dec 2018 #75
Lindsay is a thing of the past nt lostnfound Nov 2018 #42
AOC Rocks! colsohlibgal Nov 2018 #46
Graham jumped in over is head eleny Nov 2018 #48
I love her Politicub Nov 2018 #49
Lindsey getting a history lesson from the new Lioness of the House. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #53
A.O. Cortez. I said it before and I say it Chickensoup Nov 2018 #54
Well said!! AOC's brilliance is so inspiring... here's hoping her colleagues follow suit. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #69
gop is terrified of her for brutal honesty AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #55
DAMN! That's a SERIOUS asswhopin' she just laid down on ol' Lindsey The Liberal Lion Nov 2018 #58
Take a bow ... standing ovation for you! n/t MFGsunny Nov 2018 #59
Bold and Unafraid!! Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #60
Go right at them. JDC Nov 2018 #61
She punches Up...I like it! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2018 #63
This young woman is VERY impressive. calimary Nov 2018 #65
Graham is really being taken to task: demmiblue Nov 2018 #74

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
51. No she ain't... gotta love Alexandria!! Too bad she's not old enough to run for Prez...
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 06:49 PM
Nov 2018

I love the way AOC speaks truth to power... like Elizabeth, she would make the ideal 1st woman President. Hopefully, she runs in 2028.

calimary

(81,269 posts)
67. Not yet, anyway.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 03:58 AM
Nov 2018

A few more years. Get yer feet wet, do some governing, survive a few serious battles, put some points on the board, build a good base of allies and voters, and you'll be set to make a run at the biggest brass ring there is, Madame Representative-elect. Take care and watch your back, though. The more successful you are and the bigger a splash you make, the more enemies you'll have.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
4. Graham needs to revisit the Holocaust Musem
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:40 AM
Nov 2018

There's a new exhibit at the museum that looks into Americans and the Holocaust.




Top 10 American Companies that Aided the Nazis
https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-american-companies-that-aided-the-nazis.php

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
44. I didn't know that about Woolthworth's.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:21 PM
Nov 2018

My grandmother worked there for many years. We ate at their lunch counter once a week.

SWBTATTReg

(22,129 posts)
56. Looks like a lot of our most 'esteemed' citizens need to visit this museum and learn their ...
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 07:30 PM
Nov 2018

abc's on the holocaust and its horrible impact on jews and gays, and other 'undesirables'. The Charlotteville / neo Nazi crowd in particular. Fortunately most Americans are aware of this period in time and are not racist, bigots, etc.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
12. It started exactly like that. It started by
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:09 AM
Nov 2018

allowing all of that to stand and fester and therefore dull down humanitarian impulses by terrifying the population. I took this photo at the Holocaust Memorial in Miami.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. I hope some Democrats stop calling her
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:55 AM
Nov 2018

the Sarah Palin of the left. She's nowhere close to Palin - yes, she's misspoke a few times, but she's generally been very good.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
17. They won't.. it's an agenda..
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:53 AM
Nov 2018

and you are completely correct, she is very good..

AOC gets under right wing corporatists skin better than most... they fear what she represents

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
23. Bingo...
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:13 PM
Nov 2018

PUMA's from 2008 (let us not forget that they voted for McCain) have evolved and 2016 has been too much to bear.. their angst needs a target, voila

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
57. In all fairness, people associate her w/Bernie because she wants it that way.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 08:06 PM
Nov 2018

She toured with him. Didn't he campaign for her? She calls herself a Socialist Democrat, much like Bernie refers to himself as a Socialist. So she is proudly aligned with Bernie. Nothing wrong with that, if she feels a kinship with him and his views. But not fair, and not true, to say that others who associate them are doing that because of an agenda on their part.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,328 posts)
66. No one said the "agenda" was in associating AOC with Bernie.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 03:57 AM
Nov 2018

It was the “calling her the Sarah Palin of the left” by some angry holdouts.

Post #8: “I hope some Democrats stop calling her the Sarah Palin of the left”

Post #17: “They won't.. it's an agenda..”

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
71. My response was to post:"I think they're people who associate her with Bernie Sanders."
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 08:36 AM
Nov 2018

The post infers that some people referenced in the OP are those who associate OAC with Bernie Sanders, for some unknown reason. My point is that OAC herself has associated herself with Bernie Sanders, so everyone would associate her with Bernie Sanders. Literally everyone. Because OAC has presented herself that way.

I was not responding to any other post.

Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #71)

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
43. People that have been on her since she beat Crowley..
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:55 PM
Nov 2018

nitpicking every single thing she says, who she advocates for and how she does it have an agenda.. if you can't see it - I can't help you..

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
45. "they fear what she represents"
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:23 PM
Nov 2018

It's about time. Sit up & take notice, Dem leadership. This is the kind of fight we voted for.

elleng

(130,914 posts)
31. She's very VERY good,
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:51 PM
Nov 2018

it will be great to watch and listen to her; we'll all benefit from it (if we're smart.)

Polly Hennessey

(6,798 posts)
9. I like her.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:58 AM
Nov 2018

She doesn’t let the creeps get away with their idiocy. Love that she spanks their little behinds with words; more than a sternly worded letter (are you listening, Mr. Schumer?).

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
22. Lindsay Ought to Read Up
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:11 PM
Nov 2018

on the Vichy as long as he's in a historic mood. Of course, he'll need to tape his ass back together after it just got taken apart first, but then he can read about his developing place in history.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
25. Gender war shot over the bow:male dominators try to invalidate women's opinions unauthorized by men.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:16 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:24 PM - Edit history (1)

The gaslighting begins.

Twitter fights and all manner of gaslighting will continue with all the women of Congress. Division, discouragement, opinion derision as tools of women's oppression in Congress continue.

Citizens for gender equality need to monitor the ongoing male attempts to dismiss, mock, gaslight female leaders as male leaders publicly weaponize their gender war toolbox for shutting women up. Anywhere.

The Graham-Ocasio Cortez exchange is not about the content.

It's about who runs the policy narrative out of Washington.

Lindsey Graham and his sexist club can go fuck themselves.





 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
26. I am beginning to like her more and more. She definitely will be on the GOP target list.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:17 PM
Nov 2018

She is not a wealthy icon, she has nothing to lose and she is fearless. That can't be bought.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
27. I like to think/hope that her brilliance, youth, intelligence...I could go on...
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:25 PM
Nov 2018

will put her in the position of politically engaging more like her, and she can serve as a mentor...at 29 !!! No wonder Nancy Pelosi jumped on her bandwagon. Never one to be left behind.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. I like what she's been saying since she's met some
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:29 PM
Nov 2018

of her colleagues, including getting a chance to discuss with the leadership what she and they will be doing this term. A new respect. So far. Too soon to assume it's a reset, but the tone of her messages has shifted and suggests she now understands and values the enormous advantages of working for change from the center of power -- with a lot of people who share her goals.

And I love this valuable call-out warning of the dangerous rise of right-wing authoritarianism to some who may never have heard of it but have now because they're listening to her.

I am still concerned about Saikat Chakrabarti, her former campaign chair and incoming chief of staff. Unlike before, his last week or so of tweets contains no direct contradictions to what she is saying, so it may be that she's been able to rein him in somewhat. The current tweet focus is mostly on mobilizing to fight climate change (great!). However tamped down, though, an almost constant dishonest and contemptuous hostility toward her Democratic colleagues still permeates his Twitter feed. The large majority occupy the broad liberal ground between his radical leftism and the conservative-influenced centrists he dishonestly portrays them all as.

I just hope she cuts him loose before he causes her serious trouble. Fwiw, I found no new Twitter messages suggesting the men of Justice Democrats regard her position as a member of congress as a "chip" they can sacrifice to their radical crusade if needed. Guessing she may not have liked that.

The Polack MSgt

(13,188 posts)
30. Well said Rep. Ocasio Cortez. Well done
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:36 PM
Nov 2018

Always hit back at that dipshit, and if you can be this on point- even better.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
32. the single saving grave for Cortez is she can go after the likes of the Grahams and take it
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:07 PM
Nov 2018

right at them and call them out for what they are...

apnu

(8,756 posts)
35. AOC is correct. When Jews fled Nazi Germany they had trouble getting asylum status.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:19 PM
Nov 2018

And when the fleeing turned into a flood they had an even harder time. Then later after the war, Jewish refugees were turned away from pretty much everywhere, including the US. The whole reason Israel exists as a state is because countries rejected settling Jewish refugees from Europe.

erronis

(15,267 posts)
39. And, I expect, we will see much more of this in the future with global displacements
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:25 PM
Nov 2018

Shitty little walls and even military barriers surrounding the US won't make it safer. If anything the ones trapped inside the barriers will be more in danger from the predators (bankers, corporatists, fascist governments).

apnu

(8,756 posts)
41. Yup. WW2 ended 70+ years ago and we haven't improved much since.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:37 PM
Nov 2018

I'm speaking of all of humanity, not just the US, as you are.

Chickensoup

(650 posts)
54. A.O. Cortez. I said it before and I say it
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 06:57 PM
Nov 2018

Again, I love u.
Your display of leadership quality
is amazing and overwhelming.
Your courage is genuine. You will be
a force to reckon with and you are
needed badly to help right the ship called
America from greed and corruption.
Just know u are not alone .

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
58. DAMN! That's a SERIOUS asswhopin' she just laid down on ol' Lindsey
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 08:37 PM
Nov 2018

The gentleman from South Carolina just tasted some up north back of the hand across those increasingly sagging jowls of his.
BOOYAH!

calimary

(81,269 posts)
65. This young woman is VERY impressive.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 03:51 AM
Nov 2018

It's gonna be exciting to watch what she does with this new public platform of hers, especially with her willingness to take on complacent pompous old farts like Lindsey Graham. She's already turning out to be rather formidable and she hasn't even been officially sworn in yet.

She's got a BIG future ahead. Perhaps even the biggest of all?

demmiblue

(36,854 posts)
74. Graham is really being taken to task:
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:42 AM
Nov 2018
Hi there, I worked at the Holocaust Museum in D.C. for a year. Part of the main exhibit is how America turned away Jewish refugees at our shore who were fleeing persecution in Germany and elsewhere.

May I suggest, @LindseyGrahamSC, that you take a tour of the Holocaust Museum?


And thank god @Ocasio2018 is an elected official who actually applies our history to identify our worst impulses instead of using it to pander to them.


Oh, and how could I forget: the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum literally has a permanent exhibit on Rwanda, Bosnia, and Darfur and has spoken out against the atrocities and lack of support for those fleeing Syria, you know the refugees @LindseyGrahamSC continues to ignore?


One more thing, @LindseyGrahamSC... if you really want to explore the truly dark side of the U.S. enabling and/or blatantly ignoring the Holocaust, explore "The Abandonment of the Jews" by David S. Wyman. It's infuriating and heartbreaking in its findings.


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