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mia

(8,361 posts)
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:59 PM Nov 2018

Is Trump going to bury the auto industry in a shallow grave?

To put it mildly, Donald Trump was not pleased to learn that General Motors would lay off 15 percent of its salaried workforce and close five North American factories—including one 17 miles from where he declared in July 2017 that “jobs are coming back, they’re all coming back.” “They better damn well open a new plant there very quickly,” he fumed to The Wall Street Journal. “I told [G.M.], ‘You’re playing around with the wrong person.’” Strangely, though, at no time during his rant—in which he made several vague threats about what might happen if the company didn’t immediately open a new facility in the town where it literally just announced it would be closing the existing one—did the president mention the effect his steel and aluminum tariffs have had on the auto industry, like the fact that they’ve so far cost carmakers billions, including some $700 million at G.M. alone.

Some of the industry’s problems, of course, have nothing to do with Trump. For instance, American automakers are finding it nearly impossible to compete with Japan when it comes to sedans, and there’s been a significant migration to electric cars, where China holds a major advantage. But the president’s “good” and “easy-to-win” trade wars have made the situation markedly worse—and not just due to the higher prices of steel and aluminum. In September, a headline wondered aloud, “Did Trump just kill the U.S. auto industry?” after Germany’s top manufacturers—BMW, Daimler, BASF, Volkswagen, Siemens—all announced tens of billions of new investments in China, with BMW saying it would move a portion of its S.U.V. production out of its giant South Carolina plant in response to Trump’s auto tariffs. In June, G.M. warned that the policy could lead to a “reduced presence” in the U.S., as well as fewer U.S.-based jobs.

Another thing Trump conveniently glided over during his chat with the Journal? The fact that more job losses are practically a certainty. In a detailed blow-by-blow, Axios confirmed on Tuesday what most people outside the White House have known for some time now: big automakers are in very, very bad shape, despite the claims by the 45th president that they, like the coal industry, are coming back in a major way. In April, Ford announced that it was dropping all but two cars from its North American dealerships. In a recent interview, Tesla C.E.O. Elon Musk said that earlier this year his entire company was “within single-digit weeks” of driving off a cliff without new financing or layoffs. Fiat Chrysler cut its 2018 outlook. G.M. might have framed Monday’s announcement as “transforming its global workforce to ensure it has the right skill sets for today and the future, while driving efficiencies through the utilization of best-in-class tools,” but the writing is more or less on the wall.

Meanwhile, instead of backing down on policies that are having a quite obvious negative impact on American manufacturers, President Slow-on-the-Uptake is preparing to double down on tariffs, likely boosting the levies on $200 billion of Chinese goods to 25 percent, and threatening to slap tariffs on the entirety of Chinese imports if he doesn’t get what he wants from Beijing. Why? Because he still thinks tariffs are the best, twice telling the Journal that he is a “tariff person,” and citing his decision to use them as evidence of his intelligence. (“I happen to be a tariff person because I’m a smart person.”) And don’t even think about blaming tariffs for G.M.’s plight. Tariffs, much like the president’s favorite child, are perfect and unimpeachable:



https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/is-trump-going-to-bury-the-auto-industry-in-a-shallow-grave

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Is Trump going to bury the auto industry in a shallow grave? (Original Post) mia Nov 2018 OP
Trump WILL LOSE Michigan and Ohio in 2020...and he is WORRIED! ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2018 #1
yes Demovictory9 Nov 2018 #16
Solution? End GM's electric car subsidy BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #2
Because the Oil Industry wants gas guzzlers to be made.... ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2018 #4
That would make sense if they were shutting down guzzler plants BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #5
We have a 2014 Chevy Cruze and LOVE it! ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2018 #7
I drive in cities a lot so I prefer smaller vehicles BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #8
Donnie plays checkers, the Chinese play Go. Ciaphas Cain Nov 2018 #3
The question is, Wellstone ruled Nov 2018 #6
So use automation to cut jobs. Blue_true Nov 2018 #10
Dare say within ten years Wellstone ruled Nov 2018 #12
I know. nt Blue_true Nov 2018 #13
By that time Wellstone ruled Nov 2018 #14
I have to stop reading news. Nt BootinUp Nov 2018 #9
Meanwhile his tax cuts went to people that don't need money to buy cars Johonny Nov 2018 #11
He will accept a bribe in order to arrange an auto industry bailout. McCamy Taylor Nov 2018 #15

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
1. Trump WILL LOSE Michigan and Ohio in 2020...and he is WORRIED!
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 05:23 PM
Nov 2018

The two states he needs for re-election just may have gone out the window.

Factor in Democratic Party wins in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania too.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
2. Solution? End GM's electric car subsidy
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 05:27 PM
Nov 2018

President Tantrum would remove the $7500 tax break for buyers that Heller is trying to extend through 2022 (GM hits the existing 200k cars sold threshold by the end of this year and other automakers would also benefit from the extension). So to punish them for cutting jobs he knocks out a subsidy that is helping them employ people and compete with China. Brilliant.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
4. Because the Oil Industry wants gas guzzlers to be made....
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 05:37 PM
Nov 2018

So that their product sells and continues to pollute the environment, thus creating more carbon emmissions and warming the Earth.

Hybrid/Electric cars use very little to no gas.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
5. That would make sense if they were shutting down guzzler plants
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 05:43 PM
Nov 2018

But they’re keeping the big cars and ditching their most fuel-efficient vehicles. Trump logic.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
7. We have a 2014 Chevy Cruze and LOVE it!
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 05:46 PM
Nov 2018

It gets 34 miles to the gallon on the long road trips we take. Plenty big for the 2 of us.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
8. I drive in cities a lot so I prefer smaller vehicles
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 05:54 PM
Nov 2018

I understand the sales trends. The SUV was a brilliant marketing move and people have literally grown into them. They’re getting older and bigger. And America is a big place. Most areas are SUV-friendly. You’d think people would still welcome the chance to save money on gas, but comfort comes first, I guess. The best car I ever had mpg-wise was the unlawful Jetta diesel, which got around 600 miles per tank on the highway. Thing was awesome.

Ciaphas Cain

(124 posts)
3. Donnie plays checkers, the Chinese play Go.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 05:37 PM
Nov 2018

Donnie is playing checkers, Putin is playing Chess and the Chinese are purchasing the wreckage of our economy at discount prices.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. The question is,
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 05:45 PM
Nov 2018

will GM and Ford finally move their Sales to a Kiosk System. Reason I say this is,back in the late nineties,was invited to a Auto Customer Review of new Models and Sales methodology. One venue featured the new Sales Kiosk where you could place your Auto order on line and it would be shipped to a Dealer near you for Prep . The Set had one show model with visual aides to select your options and colors.

One of the messages inside the on line order pad,called for a 6 week lead time and the order will go directly to the Assembly Plant assigned to your Model choice.

Having a Family member as a Dealer Manager,this idea is still being considered. Minimum inventory and no Sales Force,only greeter on duty.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. So use automation to cut jobs.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 07:29 PM
Nov 2018

People who sell cars are workers too. Frankly, I prefer to deal with a salesperson when buying a car. If it gets to the point where I can't find that at a dealership, I will find one that has it.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
12. Dare say within ten years
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:08 PM
Nov 2018

the Kiosk Model will be the norm. You and I are just throw backs to the good old days.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
14. By that time
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:25 PM
Nov 2018

the kids will take away my License anyway. Looking forward to one of them three wheeled Scooter's.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
11. Meanwhile his tax cuts went to people that don't need money to buy cars
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 08:29 PM
Nov 2018

and did nothing to increase demand. The price of cars is simply moving to a price point average Americans can't afford new cars.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
15. He will accept a bribe in order to arrange an auto industry bailout.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:12 PM
Nov 2018

Tanking US industries are GOOD for the Trump Family Fortunes.

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