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13% "No" vote on Pelosi (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2018 OP
Those 32 better not screw this up. dem4decades Nov 2018 #1
if they do................................................................ samnsara Nov 2018 #3
K&R for a 5th rec n/t Jeffersons Ghost Nov 2018 #29
Then they either become republicans, announce that they won't run for reelection. Blue_true Nov 2018 #35
She's been officially nominated by her party blogslut Nov 2018 #2
Does that mean she is potentially unviable if they stick together in January? Renew Deal Nov 2018 #4
well, this is basically a primary election, and january is the general election unblock Nov 2018 #8
It largely depends on whether the "No"s abstain or vote for someone else in January. PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #30
This was a secret ballot, so she's in a good position imo. OnDoutside Nov 2018 #5
Makes me nuts. what do they want no checks on Trump???? redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #6
Maybe they want leadership that better reflects the base of the party Renew Deal Nov 2018 #13
And just who is that? Kablooie Nov 2018 #16
We're not allowed to talk about it Renew Deal Nov 2018 #17
Liberal women like Pelosi make up a large part of the base emulatorloo Nov 2018 #25
The Republican Party or the Democratic Party? dem4decades Nov 2018 #19
Good question! lilactime Nov 2018 #31
Pelosi told several Dems that they could vote no. kstewart33 Nov 2018 #7
It's okay. It allowed those who made irresponsible Hortensis Nov 2018 #9
"It allowed those who made irresponsible and underprincipled campaign promises..." SharonClark Nov 2018 #27
I don't think that's quite right. W_HAMILTON Nov 2018 #10
Yes. 34 can vote Present. Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #24
Tim Ryan got about twice that NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #11
They sure as heck aren't voting for McCarthy Cosmocat Nov 2018 #12
Two years ago, 63 (32.5%) voted against her nomination as minority leader onenote Nov 2018 #14
She will be the next speaker. She ran unopposed. still_one Nov 2018 #15
She'll get the votes EffieBlack Nov 2018 #18
Pelosi's momentum builds: 'Voting against Pelosi on the floor is a vote for the Republican' Gothmog Nov 2018 #20
The Pathetic Pelosi Putsch Gothmog Nov 2018 #21
The committee assignments will be the rebel rewards, dogcatcher committee... beachbum bob Nov 2018 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author jcgoldie Nov 2018 #23
So, 87'ish percentage for. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #26
You mean the 87% Yes vote? stopbush Nov 2018 #28
No one else is really prepared for the job Buckeyeblue Nov 2018 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Nov 2018 #33
Some of the 32 that voted no on caucus, likely will vote yes on the floor. Blue_true Nov 2018 #34

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
35. Then they either become republicans, announce that they won't run for reelection.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 08:31 PM
Nov 2018

Or they get primaried in 2020. It's just that simple.

blogslut

(38,019 posts)
2. She's been officially nominated by her party
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 04:22 PM
Nov 2018
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pelosi-nominated-speaker-house-democrats-n940786?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

WASHINGTON — House Democrats on Wednesday nominated Nancy Pelosi as speaker, paving the way for her to be elected to the top post in January.

Pelosi, who previously served as the first woman speaker from 2007 to 2011, prevailed in the closed-door caucus vote as Democrats held their leadership elections for next year despite a long-simmering insurgency against her bid — a rebellion that appeared to crumble in the days leading up to the vote.

"As I say, our diversity is our strength but our unity is our power. We will use that power again in a unifying way for our country," she told reporters.

The 78-year-old California Democrat had faced threats from all corners of her caucus — from moderates, from progressives, from members-elect and from younger lawmakers hoping for a generational change. But leading up to Wednesday's vote, following lobbying from Pelosi herself, individuals from each of these factions who had either previously expressed opposition to her or signaled skepticism came out publicly in support...

unblock

(52,352 posts)
8. well, this is basically a primary election, and january is the general election
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 04:32 PM
Nov 2018

so you're kinda asking what happens if everyone who didn't vote for the party nominee in the primary refuses to vote for the party nominee in the general. it usually doesn't play out that way.

it looks like the hold outs simply wanted some rule changes, which pelosi has already agreed to, so it seems unlikely they would continue to fight in january.

regardless, there's no real alternative. maybe there will be some more negotiations about rule changes or committee assignments, but it's hard to see this playing out with anyone other than pelosi becoming speaker.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
30. It largely depends on whether the "No"s abstain or vote for someone else in January.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:30 PM
Nov 2018

Abstentions don't count when computing a "majority".

Pelosi will be the next Speaker.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
7. Pelosi told several Dems that they could vote no.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 04:30 PM
Nov 2018

And vote 'present' in the January vote.

This offer was probably made for those Dems who promised that they would not support Pelosi for Speaker. Technically, they did not.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. It's okay. It allowed those who made irresponsible
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 04:36 PM
Nov 2018

and underprincipled campaign promises to fulfill them without doing harm.

As for January, the WHOLE house votes for speaker then. Any and every Democrat who genuinely tried to throw power to a candidate the Republicans wanted instead of Pelosi had better be planning on running as a Republican in 2 years, or taking some preagreed payoff and not running for reelection. But that won't happen.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
27. "It allowed those who made irresponsible and underprincipled campaign promises..."
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:28 PM
Nov 2018

Couldn't agree more.

W_HAMILTON

(7,875 posts)
10. I don't think that's quite right.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 04:40 PM
Nov 2018

From what I'm reading, the Republicans will have 200 votes in the House, so, assuming all Republicans and no Democrats vote for Kevin McCarthy as speaker, Pelosi would just need to get 201 votes to win the speakership. That means 34 Democrats could simply vote present or withhold their vote and Pelosi would still win, which seems to give her plenty enough leeway for victory.

I'm guessing there will be a lot more handwringing in the media about the final vote until the actual vote takes place in January (or whenever it is), but it sounds like she will most certainly be our next speaker.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
24. Yes. 34 can vote Present.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 06:20 PM
Nov 2018

However, if they vote for a person other than Nancy Pelosi, then she won’t have a majority.

Tradition says the Speaker needs a majority of votes for a person (with Present not counting.)

Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
12. They sure as heck aren't voting for McCarthy
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 04:44 PM
Nov 2018

They can vote present, their vote won't count in the final total, they get to say they didn't vote for Pelosi ...

onenote

(42,778 posts)
14. Two years ago, 63 (32.5%) voted against her nomination as minority leader
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 04:54 PM
Nov 2018

when it was a private vote.

Four voted against her when the vote was public.

Gothmog

(145,631 posts)
20. Pelosi's momentum builds: 'Voting against Pelosi on the floor is a vote for the Republican'
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:25 PM
Nov 2018

This makes me smile https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/27/1815602/-Pelosi-s-momentum-builds-Voting-against-Pelosi-on-the-floor-is-a-vote-for-the-Republican

It’s a bad day for the #FiveWhiteGuys, as Nancy Pelosi’s bid to reclaim the speaker’s gavel is getting stronger by the hour. A series of representatives and representatives-elect have come forward to announce their support for Pelosi over Underpants Gnome strategery intended to push the party to the right.

Connecticut’s Jahana Hayes, who had said she wouldn’t support Pelosi, cut right to the chase:


Illinois’s Jesus “Chuy” Garcia said in a statement that “It is time for Democrats to come together and support a unified agenda of progressive values. I urge my freshman colleagues who are undecided to join me in supporting Leader Pelosi.”

According to New Hampshire’s Chris Pappas, “after careful consideration and discussion with many constituents and future colleagues in Congress … I believe [Pelosi] is best equipped to lead the House at this point in our history.”

Gothmog

(145,631 posts)
21. The Pathetic Pelosi Putsch
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 05:27 PM
Nov 2018

This story makes me smile. Moulton comes off looking like a putsch https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/26/speaker-nancy-pelosi-revolt-seth-moulton-222686

Two days after the election, Moulton declared that his crew was committed to voting against Pelosi on the House floor, where only a handful of renegade Democrats would be needed to deny her a winning majority. The following week, he said he was “100 percent confident” he had the votes, and Pelosi’s time was up.

And yet she’s still here.

Pelosi strides into Wednesday’s House Democratic Caucus elections with her head held high, and her high heels on Moulton’s neck. She remains without a Democratic challenger. She has unleashed a wave of support from the Democratic faithful, from Barack Obama on down. She turned two of Moulton’s allies who had, just days before, stated their opposition to her. A third opponent suggested he’ll vote for Pelosi on the floor if no other Democratic option emerges. And she has kept several other Serve America PAC alumni from jumping aboard Moulton’s rickety bandwagon. While Pelosi isn’t completely in the clear for the final vote on January 3 on the House floor—with Moulton clinging to 14 fellow holdouts and eight other Democrats in the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus playing hard to get—she unquestionably holds the whip hand.

Dumping a historic figure like Pelosi, the first female speaker, after she weathered a Republican blitzkrieg to help her party win back the House, was always going to be a tall order. (And don’t say I didn’t warn them!) But Moulton’s operation has been, to borrow some military jargon, FUBAR. He’s poised to not only lose his battle with the party establishment, but to lose in such humiliating fashion that it could ruin his reputation and douse whatever presidential fires may be burning in his belly.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
32. No one else is really prepared for the job
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 08:03 PM
Nov 2018

She has the experience. And I think the first half of next year is going to be crazier than hell. Even crazier than the last two years.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
34. Some of the 32 that voted no on caucus, likely will vote yes on the floor.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 08:23 PM
Nov 2018

What other real alternative do they have.

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